Tyrphanax

It's always been stated in a lot of the early EU that Anakin needed the suit as he'd fallen into some kind of "molten pit" ( believe that's the wording in the Scrapbook or wherever I first saw it) and so that's been in the majority of fan's minds since then.

Like I said, it's second nature for us to jokingly call one another out on misuse of language or spelling and grammatical errors, but for someone who's new to the place, it can come off not in the playful ribbing way it's meant, but as an attack.

It puts us in a bad light because it looks like we get new members and then spit on them for making a couple easily overlooked mistakes when it's just that they don't understand the full context of why we ribbed them.

Some black folk will let their white friends drop the n-bomb around them in conversation because it's all in good fun, but you wouldn't (I assume) just walk up to them on the street and say it not knowing them.

Promus said:

The thing I'm most pissed off about when it comes to Boba Fett (besides the shitty backstory they made for him in AOTC, which I refuse to accept as canon when the short story "The Last One Standing" was so much better), is the voice change. I HATE the new voiceover by Temura Morrison - he sounds bored and monotonous. Jason Wingreen's voiceover was by far more badass. Fett only had four lines, but they sounded so f*cking cool because of Jason Wingreen.

Since I'm something of a Jango apologist (although in my crazy personal universe, Jango is at least not Boba's biological father and Boba sounds like Wingreen), I'll jump in and say that those lines sound like shit because they were recorded from over the phone with Morrison from New Zealand.

Like we saw with the PT, it's really hard to act when you don't have anything to react to, I'm sure the phone call went something like this:

*Temura Morrison is watching football on TV in his PJs with his house slippers on and a mug of coffee, Lucasfilm sound guys call up,*

"Hey, Tem. We need you to say these lines... okay, perfect, that'll do. Have a nice day."

And then they just stuck them in the film, no need to add distortion or anything since they got them from a phone, right?!

Angel said:

doubleofive said:

Have a (temp) comp!

Nice to see that shot is fixed. Seeing the wooden pylons under the sail barge set was out of place :)

 

I also noticed that they fixed a glitch in AOTC. After we see the shot when the two guys are talking to the queen in the ship, the following shot has a fly by in the clouds. The last frame of it had one fog layer off in the HDTVs.

Its pretty bad the the fake shaking camera effect glitch is still unfixed (why you took so long scene) You can see the black bars next to obi and anakin :/

 

-Angel

ROFLRICK said:

 I really enjoy the back and forth!

Giggety giggety.

daveytod said:

Space Jam looks better!

POTY

adywan said:

But one interesting thing that i spotted on the Utapau animatic sequence is General grievous. Now was it originally intended  to be Darth Maul because you can clearly see that it is him behind the mask?

This right here literally made me stop and say "Whoa..." that would have been a really cool plot point, and it kinda fits with the "Visionaries" idea of a cyborg Maul. Shame it wasn't gone through with. Talk about rhyming. =P

dark_jedi said:

adywan said:

One thing that has surprised me is that there have been no TV spots advertising the Blu-ray set on TV here in the UK and it comes out on Monday.

I don't think I have seen any here in the US either now that you mention it.

I've seen a ton of them here lately, and I don't even have a TV. Seems like they're on every commercial break in the cafeteria or the gym.

It's funny, because the volume is always way low on the TVs around campus, but I can always hear an AT-AT firing, or a lightsaber igniting and my head immediately snaps up to look for the source.

HotRod said:

Try it...You should all try it!!!!

 

But don't do drugs, I did, and look where I'm at now!!!!

Raising... children?

Oh... oh god...

(Yes, I'm way behind. Refer to Frink's avatar.)

I would combine both Zombie and ThiefCobbler's versions into one megaversion and rule the Star Wars galaxy.

Orusaka said:

Okay, so some impressions. I'm in Europe and picked up the set when it was released here on Monday, just to get any potential question of how I obtained it out of the way.

I haven't really gotten around to watching the movies yet, and who knows when I might, but I have watched most of the bonus features, and I'm left with only one singular emotion. Disappointment.  There are 2 reasons I'm disappointed. Firstly, the very vast majority of the content is presented in SD. On the archival discs the material is presented in a pretty tiny window with huge painted mattes around it.

 Secondly, and more importantly, perhaps, is that the content that is there is not very interesting. The interviews that are presented are all taken from various behind-the-scenes documentaries that have been on previous dvd-releases. As for the deleted scenes, they are a bit of a mixed bag. I will agree with the people who have announced them as underwhelming. It's been a long time since I watched any of the prequal-dvds, but I don't remember any of the deleted scenes for those movies on there, so I guess that's something. On the other hand, they presented in very poor SD quality, from what looks like workprint VHS with animatics standing in for visual effects. The deleted scenes from the original trilogy are all over the place. Some are faded black & white, some are crisp black & white, some are fuzzy colour shots. None have been cleaned up in any way. They are scratchy and dirty.

The only good thing I possibly could say is that the new documentaries on the last disc are in HD.

Oh, also, the alternate audio commentaries seem to be resembled mostly from what was left over from the main commentary. As in, because they edited several people who gave full commentaries together to one track, there was obviously a lot left over, and that seems to have been put in the new alternate ones. I watched some of ESB and most of the track is Kershner announcing what's going on.

 

A. I'm even more glad I was never going to buy them now.

2. I feel bad for those who did.

It's the Special Edition of StarWars.com.

It's more in line with the original vision of the site.

It's all the stuff they would have done in the beginning if they'd had the technology to do so.

It really brings the saga together.

That's all I have for now.

Stuff like this doesn't help. =P

I mean, I understand that stuff like that is generally all in good fun here. But, I mean, we could hold off on the newbies for at least a little while until they get into the swing of things.

I thought he was a fun guy.

Fungi...

Shit, I just got it.

This thread is creepy, but I can't quite put my finger on why...

Bingo (see what I did there?).

This, too.

But really, in the end, what I would love to see is a day when we have a restored, 100% original OT, and fan edits are in there trying to remove matte lines and strings and popcicle sticks and whatnot.

Would I buy this hypothetical POUT? Yeah. Would I be happy about it? No.

Firstly, like TheBoost said (and part of what I came here to post, dammit) is Edutopia. God knows we need all the help with education we can get.

Personally, I love the man. George Lucas is something of a hero to me, or at least a person I greatly admire. The Star Wars movies, and especially the OT, have really helped define who I am as a person; from what I want to do when I grow up, to what I'm doing in school, to my attire (I mean Star Wars shirts, not flannel).

He seems like a normal guy with a good head on his shoulders. He seems to have a good idea of what his shortcomings are. He seems to have a sense of humour. He definitely has vision and some great ideas.

I don't hate him for the "mistakes" (from my point of view) that he's made with Star Wars. I'm angry at him, sure, but I'm angry at him like a friend of a guy who asked out a girl you were into. Sure it sucks, but it ain't the end of the world. I'm not going to end the friendship over something like that.

I feel kinda bad that he's being held back like he is. I feel like, with a better team of support, unlike all the useless ass-kissers around him now, he could actually crank out some more amazing films.

Either way, I think he's a pretty swell fellah.

Wow, I don't understand all the Revan and Karpyshyn hate going on in here. I thought the Bane series was great and felt nice and Star Warsy, and Revan is undoubtably one of the coolest Star Wars characters ever created. This book is definitely a must for me.

Darth Bizarro said:

I do like that they are basically using the Clone Wars to address some of these story telling issues with the movies but they shouldn't have to.  

I think that's the best and worst part of The Clone Wars.

It's great to have a really heroic and likable Anakin. It's great to see the Clone Wars as a galaxy-spanning and very real, emotional, interesting, three-dimensional conflict with an impact. It's great to have plot holes filled and ideas from the OT expanded upon.

At the same time, it's really sad that they had to make a whole other media campaign to fill do what they could have, and should have, done in the PT.

I see what he did there. But I've never thought that. Sorry Tobes. =P

SilverWook said:

generalfrevious said:

SilverWook said:

The World War II analogies are wearing thin, and don't help our public image any.

HaHaHa, does the public even care about our opinions?

They might if we make rational factual arguments, and lay off the Nazi crap.

This.

Oh boy! Another chance to reqoute myself!

Tyrphanax said:

However, the one thought that stuck in my head is how the Jedi Council actually seem to encourage students to fall to the dark side... from a certain point of view.

This whole notion of "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it domination your destiny" is a dangerous way to teach things. Even Yoda, who seems like a pretty grounded Jedi says that. Luke's line is appropriate, "You want the impossible." There's absolutely no way the Jedi can expect any human to be able to follow that; everyone has moments of hate, rage, anger, sorrow, and just plain emotion. They can't realistically expect people to not start down the dark path.

So what happens? Padawan Bob has thoughts of anger towards a dueling partner that's bested him and what can he do? He's started down the dark path, hasn't he? How does he feel about it, having heard that emotion is bad his whole life? I imagine with guilt, guilt that he was unable to control his emotions in spite of himself, maybe he thinks he's already most of the way towards being Sith. Can he talk to his master about his feelings and expect guidance? Would he be too afraid to admit his feelings? I'm sure the mark of a true Jedi is to be able to control and stifle these emotions when they feel them coming on, but what if they slip? I'm sure Obi-Wan's initial attack on Maul was fueled by the anger of just having seen his master run through, I'm sure he slipped there. Granted, he calmed down and controlled it later on and won the battle, but what if he had struck Maul down in hate? Would he have been expelled instead of knighted at the end of the movie?

My point is that it seems like the Jedi see things as dangerously black and white. You're either with them or against them (but only the Sith deal in absolutes! =O ). If you slip, it seems like that's it for you. No chance of redemption, no chance of coming back, that's it. You had your chance and you blew it, which is an awful way to run things, there are only so many Force-sensitives in the galaxy, and you're not trying to keep them all? And where do the ones you expel go? I'm guessing they become Sith mostly, considering that the two sides is all they've been taught to see.

This is why I'm not a fan of the Jedi Order, personally. I think they're wildly irresponsible and a threat to the galaxy. By teaching that these natural human responses to situations are wrong and should be ignored and suppressed, all they're doing is setting up for failures. Maybe you have small ones here and there, sure, no biggie, but then you have one like Anakin, who changes the entire galaxy twice. I know they know about the past, instances where Jedi have fallen due to emotions, but that's like banning breathing because one person breathed in poison once and died. Instead, what they should do is teach you to recognize the signs of poison and take steps to prevent or minimize exposure. Emotions are always there, they can't be denied or expunged, but they can be controlled and brought in line. Jolee Bindo had it right.

Tyrphanax said:

The way I see it, is that the Jedi Order believes that, since in the past, emotion has caused good Jedi to go bad, in order to prevent that from happening ever again, they have to dissolve all notions of emotion. "If we force them to think they shouldn't feel, then we can bring an end to evil!" But that's a pretty shoddy repair to a big hole in the dam - eventually, it's just going to make things worse.

And it does. Anakin comes around. He has all of these emotions, all of these feelings; love, anger, lust, pride, fear. And he's raised like a Catholic (to think that these natural things are wrong) and so what does he do? Well, what can he do? The way he feels is wrong, the Jedi don't understand it, they don't think he's able to handle it, they don't guide him like he needs, but Palpatine does, Palpatine helps him, he understands him, he nurtures him and consoles him and doesn't judge him. Anakin can't reconcile his feelings with the guilt placed upon him by the Jedi for being human. He freaks out. He snaps. He loses it and rebels in the most glorious fashion, by utterly destroying the entire Jedi Order from within.

How did that happen? How did Anakin fall so hard? Well, as Luke said, "Your overconfidence is your weakness." And so it was with the Jedi Order. They were so confident that they'd found the master switch to stop Jedi falling to the Dark Side, and evidence proved them correct: Ki-Adi-Mundi says that the Sith have "been extinct" for over a millennium, they hadn't had any major Jedi fall in ages, all seemed well on the surface, but like in Jurassic Park, just because the computer is only set to count 200 animals doesn't mean there aren't more than that. The Dark Side may have had a hand in blinding them to the Sith Lord Palpatine right under their noses, biding his time until it was right to strike, but their overconfidence blinded them just as much, if not more so. So confident were they that they'd found "The Final Solution to the Sith Question" in their teachings and were unassailable in their ivory towers on Coruscant, that they basically ignored all the blatant warning signs that Anakin gave that he was in trouble, that he wasn't feeling right, telling him to trust his training and dismissing his pleas for help, right up until he was leading the 501st into the temple to burn their ivory towers down. What he needed was some real guidance, some real help for mastering his emotions instead of useless platitudes about "letting go of the ones you love", but I don't think the Jedi could handle that, so sure were they that their training was adequate to prevent his fall.

And then they all died.

Personally, I think that, now that we have a complete trilogy, it all falls into place. I agree that the saga is the "Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker", but one of the sidestories is about the failing of the Jedi Order. That, as much a wise, grounded Jedi Master Yoda was, he was wrong the whole time, that the entire Jedi Order was completely wrong from the very beginning. They preached a message of non-emotion that is not only impossible, but came back around to destroy them, and even after all his meditating and time on Dagobah, Obi-Wan and Yoda still clung to this faulty ideal:

• "Once you start down the Dark Path, forever will it dominate your destiny"
• "If you leave now, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which they have fought and suffered"
• "If you end your training now, if you choose the quick and easy path, as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil"
• "Patience!"
  "And sacrifice Han and Leia?"
  "If you honour what they fight for, yes."
• "Bury your feelings deep down"
• "He's more machine now, than man. Twisted and evil."

And the most poignant, I feel, is Vader himself, "Obi-Wan once thought as you do... You don't know the power of the dark side. I must obey my master." He says it almost sadly, as if everyone's given up on him, even he believes there is no redeeming him. Like he doesn't want to be Sith, but that's his only option. And with the old Jedi Order, it would be true, they wouldn't try to redeem him, in fact, they told Luke not to even try several times.

But Luke didn't listen, he tried anyway, he had emotion, he had anger. Luke was fearful and aggressive. He felt compassion and love, he ended his training early and went to save Han and Leia, and instead of suppressing these emotions and ignoring them as he, like Anakin, was told, he used them. He controlled them and mastered them. He didn't strike his father down in anger and bend to Palpatine's will as Anakin had with a similarly-disarmed enemy so many years earlier, he was able to control his anger, he used it to defeat Vader, and then reined it in. He did things his own way, contrary to what Obi-Wan and Yoda told him, he used his love and attachment to his sister to defeat Vader, and it was his compassion for Vader, his father, that allowed Vader to use his own love and attachment to his son to defeat the Emperor; they used their emotions to overcome enemies that were previously untouchable to them, instead of burying them as they were trained and failing against their foe as Anakin was powerless to stop Palpatine when he had him at saberpoint in his office.

Luke did the opposite of what Obi-Wan and Yoda taught him, and it worked.

The death of Yoda, Obi-Wan, Vader, Sidious, and the rise of Luke wasn't just a changing of the guard, the rebuilding and continuation of the Jedi Order as it was, it was the rise of a New Jedi Order, a new order that saw the faults of the old order and attempted to fix them; and they do things very differently, if you haven't read the EU; lots of Jedi getting married and such.

I think the smiles of approval from the Force ghosts of Yoda and Obi-Wan at the end, and their acceptance of a redeemed Anakin Skywalker wasn't merely just a "Good job, Luke. It's up to you now" moment, but also an admission. Finally they were admitting they messed up, that somewhere along the line they lost their vision, and that their undoing was their own fault, Luke showed them that they were wrong and, much like when Yoda learned mastery of transitioning his consciousness into the living Force from Qui-Gon, the apprentice became the master: "We were wrong. We said emotion was bad, but you've mastered it, controlled it and used it for good. We said that Anakin was irredeemable, but here he stands with us again. We said that it was all black and white, but you've shown us there is grey. You were right. Thank you. We are secure in the knowledge that you will carry on the legacy of the Jedi."

ENGLISH, MELONFARMER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!

I liked it as an alternate scene. But then I like seeing new Star Wars stuff of any kind.

It kinda felt more along the lines of the old comics to me.

I didn't even notice that before. Hilarious.