I'm sure my last post has been posted before, but here's a poor guy on Reddit who could use some defense.
http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/kh7j8/why_i_wont_be_buying_star_wars_tomorrow_but_will/
Anything Ric Olie said.
YEAH I SAID IT! COME AT ME BRO!
"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
Jacen said:
Tyrphanax said:
Jacen said:
I thought that the Boba Fett subplot was also supremely well handled. Karen Traviss turned Fett into a flawed and scarred human being, and as a result, his character was that much more badass, even though he's in his seventies!
You get the hell out RIGHT NOW.
She made him cry. Boba Fett doesn't cry! She flew in the face of every bit of superior Boba Fett canon ever written before her, and she ruined the Mandalorians.
She took Boba and the Mandalorians and then tried to humanize them, make them into pure good guys who give shelter to their most bitter rivals, when it's always been pretty clear that they're more grey (and a dark grey at that sometimes) than white.
Boba didn't need to be humanized. That's what was cool about him. He was someone you could identify with regardless of who you were (and this is assuming you read some of the pre-Travissty EU on him). The best thing I've ever read about Boba was him talking to Leia in Jabba's palace, when Jabba gives her to him to do with as he pleases. That's when I knew Boba Fett was the best Star Wars character ever. It explains who he is without explaining who he is, if you get my meaning. That's all that ever needed to be said about him.
Now, thanks to Traviss, he's just another whiner like the PT made Vader.
Please note that you are entitled you your opinion, good Sir. I just passionately disagree with it, being a rabid Fett/Mandalorian fan.
Hmph....
Couple of things.....
I never once thought of the Mandos as "good guys" through Traviss. I saw them as pretty much amoral, at least how the Jedi define morality. From their own (Traviss-written) point of view, Mando morality is very complex, and definitely at total odds with the Jedi (and much of the rest of the galaxy.) But from within their own reality, there are good guys (adherence and responsibility to the honest, macho, plain-spoken Mandalorian culture) and bad guys (liars, wimps and traitors to the Mandalorian credo). Don't forget, Boba Fett himself, at the beginning of this novel is considered a "bad guy" by the Mandalorians themselves, even though he is Mandalore! He already had the mercenary part down pat, but what was compelling to me was his gradual embracing of Mandalorian responsibility and finally his owning of Mandalorian heritage, therefore transforming into a "good guy" (by Mando standards). Definitely still a "bad guy" to the Jedi, including Jaina Solo.
Boba Fett cried. Yes he did. A character who never cries bores me. In that situation, they are no longer a character, they are simply a force that I cannot identify with as a reader. There is no dramatic tension, in other words. In fact, when Boba finally cries, every badass thing he ever did in the Bounty Hunter trilogy, in Empire, in the Leia short story you refer to (I agree, it kicked ass)...... all of these badass things became THAT MUCH MORE BADASS, because he finally broke, and I empathized with him. When you empathize with a character, their accomplishments become that much more meaningful.
Well, I'm eventually going to get around to rereading her books, so we'll see.
TheBoost said:
theprequelsrule said:
Man, TIE Fighter, was a great fucking game!
True dat.
Does Darth Vader eat or drink?
Is there anything in the EU or elsewhere that covers how Vader gets his daily nutrition?
All I can think of is the old Marvel comic, where he uses the Force to make a coffee cup float to him.
Man, I thought everyone knew this!
Those two little tubes you see poking out of the mask towards Sebastian Shaw's mouth in ROTJ are feed tubes for liquid nutrition and water. I first saw this in one of those big white books like the cross section ones, only it had pictures of props with in-universe labeling in it.
From Wookieepedia: "Vader could take food through his mouth, but only when he was inside a hyperbaric chamber, since he had to remove his triangular respiratory vent. It was therefore easier for Vader to receive nourishment through liquids, intravenous and otherwise, and to rely on catheters, collection pouches, and recyclers to deal with liquid and solid waste.[17] Though liquids were preferable, he still had the capacity to chew if he wished,[26] though a nutrient feed provided Vader with all the nourishment he required.[6]"
I was about ten at the time TPM came out. Let me assure you that I did not identify with Anakin at all. I always identified with Luke more than Anakin.
The thing about making a role-model for a ten year old boy is that the ten year old boy is just that. You don't identify with a kid like Anakin who is also a ten year old boy, because that's what you are already! You want to fashion yourself after someone who is big and strong and powerful, or someone who becomes that way. Luke had that, in that he was young and naive and then he grew up and became powerful, as a kid, that's what you want to do.
Anakin stayed a little kid the whole movie and got by on dumb luck. When I got action figures from around the time of TPM, I never, ever wanted an Anakin figure, because he was a dumb little kid. I didn't want to dress up at Halloween as Anakin, because he didn't do anything cool. I bought me an Obi-Wan action figure and went as Obi-Want for Halloween. At the time, he was the star of the movie to me.
Even though I came up with Star Wars during the time of TPM, I still have more OT action figures than any other. I think that goes to show you that even a ten year old boy knows what's good.
Bingowings said: Finding out that Threepio is Luke's brother was migraine inducing.
Never thought of it that way before. Now my head hurts. Thanks, Bingo.
Man, I didn't even know we were fighting.
I always liked FE!
Bingowings said:
Angie
Oi, that's my woman you're talking about you Bradlick.
Super duper. <_<
Yeah, if you think about it, none of us has anything to contribute (except for the fan editors). But when you get us all in one place...
Magic happens.
Cinemagraphs are awesome, so here's a site full of them. The NYC set is my favourite.
Oh yeah, those are the shitty knock-off ones. Marc Ecko's were much higher quality. The hood on mine zips up and has the whole T visor and everything done up so that you can see out but can't see in. It's very fancy.
Ecko also did a stormie, Vader, Maul, and a Rebel pilot, too. I dunno if they did any others.
TV's Frink said:
Pennsylvania Jones said:
Promus said:
Well, I've never really been a part of any Star Wars release, so this new blu-ray stuff doesn't really make me feel left-out at all. I actually don't own any of the movies on DVD (I just have the VHS copies) and I torrented the 2006 version of the OUT (the laserdisc transfers) so I wouldn't have to buy the whole set with the bastardized films in them and give any money to the powers-that-be.
I also torrented the GOUT, but for editing purposes only. That's the only reason I torrent ANY movie: so I can use them in video edits. My dad, apparently, is fine with that. I own the VHS Faces set for the OOT as well. I also have the Prequels and ROTJ FS SE on DVD. I'm hoping to obtain some OOT Fan Preservation someday.
This makes zero sense.
Your dad is okay with you torrenting moves for editing purposes, which pretty much everyone agrees is piracy. But he won't let you download a preservation of the GOUT even if you buy the GOUT because he says that is piracy?
Head asplode.
Will Smith and Jazzy Jeff said:
Parents just don't understand!
TheBoost said:
SilverWook said:
And Han and Chewie have to be female. ;)
Brilliant! Gender swapping!
Let's make a girl Lando! (Landa?)
Lott Dod said:
I ob-e-ject!
Bingowings said:
Captain Spock says :
I would accept that as an axiom.
Shatner: "Sometimes Necessary."
There really is a boatload of info on all things in the Star Wars universe. If there's something you want to know about from Star Wars, be it a certain period of time, or a person, or a thing, anything, you can be sure that someone has probably written something about it. You just have to know where to look, Wookieepedia is a good jumping-off point for that, since it sources to the original media pretty well.
dark_jedi said:
Tyrphanax said:
I feel as though D_J's random capital words are channeling ol' Twooffour.
Whoever the hell that is, and who are you? and what does that have to do with anything?
Goodness gracious me!
Feels kinda like early drafts of Star Wars to me.
jonathan7 said:
@Tyrphanax
Are there any sources for the OT EU prior to the Prequels, I've heard that Lucas contradicts a lot of the previous work, but unfortunately I've never seen/read the ideas that pre-dated the Prequels.
I hate to do this, but in order to stay on topic, I'm gonna direct you to this thread where I'll answer!
jonathan7 said, in another thread:
@Tyrphanax
Are there any sources for the OT EU prior to the Prequels, I've heard that Lucas contradicts a lot of the previous work, but unfortunately I've never seen/read the ideas that pre-dated the Prequels.
I'm not quite sure I know what you mean by sources... if you can find the old media, then that's the best source. The old Bantam novels and early Star Wars comics as well as the early sourcebooks and guides and whatnot. I have a well-read copy of the second edition of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe from 1994 which is all pre-PT info in blurb form. I know there was at least one edition later than the one I have, but I was pretty sure it had TPM content. There's also the Star Wars Encyclopedia from 1998 that's supposed to be pretty good. Wookieepedia will also generally give you some idea of retcons and stuff in the "Behind the Scenes" section in most articles.
The thing about Lucas contradicting the EU is, and what most people fail to realize, is that it's written with the understanding that if Lucas decides he wants to explore the section of the universe you wrote about, whatever he comes up with will trump your ideas.
This is most notably seen in the recent Clone Wars series on Cartoon Network. Helming the show is Dave Filoni, who is a pretty hardcore Star Wars nerd, which is great, because he likes to add some of the cooler EU points into the show. The thing is that Lucas has the final say on stuff, so you do end up with contradictory canon here and there. This is the main reason Karen Traviss ragequit the Star Wars universe, because Lucas wanted to do something different with the Mandalorians during the Clone Wars than she had (which could go either way for me right now, depending on what happens in the upcoming Season IV).
The nice thing about the process is that if Dave and his team are going to be exploring areas that have had content written about them already, they'll do their research on it (I'm sure they at least read the Wookieepedia entry if not the media involved) and they'll bring the pre-established ideas to Lucas' attention. Honestly, it seems like Lucas will generally okay the pre-established stuff, unless he feels very strongly about how he wants something done (and that's when you get pacifist Mandalorians and Dathomiri Zabraks).
As far as other things go, things like the PT contradicting OT EU, you have to be realistic about it. You can't very well expect Lucas and his team to put the production of their media on hold in order to go through and read all those books and comics and play all the video games and everything so that they have an idea of how to make this new media fit in with pre-established EU by some author from 1976 (and quite honestly, I don't think he should have to). Plus, he has at least two people who's job it is to retcon things and make sure everything fits together (sometimes pretty tenuously at best) into a fairly continual universe.
I hope that answers your questions!
The other thing about the EU, which I'll tack on here for the sake of answering the threads OP, is that I care (/skywalker), but you really have to pick and choose what you like and don't like to add to your personal canon. I've recently been going through the novels in SW chronological order and while there have been a few gems (like the Jedi Apprentice series, which makes TPM a better movie) and a few really awful books as well (I'm reading Cloak of Deception right now, which I so far do not like). You just gotta check it all out, add what you like to your canon and toss out what you don't.
I feel as though D_J's random capital words are channeling ol' Twooffour.
Bingowings said:
I refer the honourable gentleman to the statement I made some moments ago.
I'm with Bingo on this. I can walk into literally any of the thrift stores around town and walk out with at least 1.5 sets of the Faces release of the trilogy, as well as at least a couple copies of the 1981 version of Star Wars. In fact, they really have just about every version you could want, and they're all generally for <5 bucks.
HotRod said:
Tyrphanax said:
HotRod said:
Try it...You should all try it!!!!
But don't do drugs, I did, and look where I'm at now!!!!
Raising... children?
Oh... oh god...
(Yes, I'm way behind. Refer to Frink's avatar.)
My kids are my life, and I stopped all that silly nonsence a long time ago....
Just pokin' fun, buddy.
Jacen said:
I thought that the Boba Fett subplot was also supremely well handled. Karen Traviss turned Fett into a flawed and scarred human being, and as a result, his character was that much more badass, even though he's in his seventies!
You get the hell out RIGHT NOW.
She made him cry. Boba Fett doesn't cry! She flew in the face of every bit of superior Boba Fett canon ever written before her, and she ruined the Mandalorians.
She took Boba and the Mandalorians and then tried to humanize them, make them into pure good guys who give shelter to their most bitter rivals, when it's always been pretty clear that they're more grey (and a dark grey at that sometimes) than white.
Boba didn't need to be humanized. That's what was cool about him. He was someone you could identify with regardless of who you were (and this is assuming you read some of the pre-Travissty EU on him). The best thing I've ever read about Boba was him talking to Leia in Jabba's palace, when Jabba gives her to him to do with as he pleases. That's when I knew Boba Fett was the best Star Wars character ever. It explains who he is without explaining who he is, if you get my meaning. That's all that ever needed to be said about him.
Now, thanks to Traviss, he's just another whiner like the PT made Vader.
Please note that you are entitled you your opinion, good Sir. I just passionately disagree with it, being a rabid Fett/Mandalorian fan.
