xhonzi said:
adywan said:
TV's Frink said:
I bet J T34 bought STAR WARS on bluray!
I bet he did too. And i bet he realised that the DTS track is better than if it was in DOBLY and turned it up to 11 ;)
DTS is teh suck.
Down To Sex?
Interesting. Maybe a Nightsister? Some kind of dark Force ghost or something?
I enjoyed both series, but I feel like it's apples and oranges comparing the two.
Clone Wars was awesome and focused on short bursts of action, setpieces, and neat motifs, basically quick glimpses into the Clone Wars; while The Clone Wars was also awesome, but focused more on "feature-length", character-driven story arcs and progression.
If I had to pick, I'd go with The Clone Wars, simply because it was more engaging and had more depth.
Tobar said:
I hate that the EU turned the "Academy" mentioned in Star Wars into an Imperial Academy. The dialog doesn't support that idea at all.
Here's a slightly truncated portion of the cut Biggs scene as it appeared in the script. I've highlighted the relevant parts:
LUKE: Look who's talking. Now that you've been around those giant starships you're beginning to sound like my uncle. You've gotten soft in the city...
BIGGS: I've missed you kid.
LUKE: Well, things haven't been the same since you left, Biggs. It's been so... quiet.
Biggs looks around then leans close to Luke.
BIGGS: Luke, I didn't come back just to say good-bye... I shouldn't tell you this, but you're the only one I can trust... and if I don't come back, I want somebody to know.
Luke's eyes are wide with Biggs' seriousness and loyalty.
LUKE: What are you talking about?
BIGGS: I made some friends at the Academy. (he whispers) ...when our frigate goes to one of the central systems, we're going to jump ship and join the Alliance...
Luke, amazed and stunned, is almost speechless.
LUKE: Join the Rebellion?! Are you kidding! How?
BIGGS: Quiet down will ya! You got a mouth bigger than a meteor crater!
LUKE: I'm sorry. I'm quiet. (he whispers) Listen how quiet I am. You can barely hear me...
Biggs shakes his head angrily and then continues.
BIGGS: My friend has a friend on Bestine who might help us make contact.
LUKE: You're crazy! You could wander around forever trying to find them.
BIGGS: I know it's a long shot, but if I don't find them I'll do what I can on my own... It's what we always talked about. Luke, I'm not going to wait for the Empire to draft me into service. The Rebellion is spreading and I want to be on the right side -- the side I believe in.
...................................................................................................................
LUKE: I wish I was going... Are you going to be around long?
BIGGS: No, I'm leaving in the morning...
LUKE: Then I guess I won't see you.
BIGGS: Maybe someday... I'll keep a lookout.
LUKE: Well, I'll be at the Academy next season... after that who knows. I won't be drafted into the Imperial Starfleet that's for sure... Take care of yourself, you'll always be the best friend I've got.
So from this scene we learn that Biggs has been away in the big city (Mos Eisley?) at the Academy. An earlier portion I left out is that he received his commission and is the first mate aboard a ship. He fears being drafted into the Empire so he plans to jump ship and head to the planet Bestine where he hopes to find a Rebel contact. Now, if this was an Imperial Academy why would he be afraid of being drafted into the Empire if he'd already joined it?
So what did the EU take away from all of this? That Biggs left Tatooine to join the Imperial Academy on Prefsbelt IV. And that Bestine is a small town on Tatooine. *face palm*
Yeah, growing up, even without having seen the deleted scenes, I always figured the Academy was a civilian thing that the Empire drafted from.
Had it been an Imperial Academy, I would have thought that they would have referred to it as such.
I'll do Boba Fett! <_<
I know we're not that far from the PT, but I still get excited to think that Star Wars is going to be in theaters again. This time I'm hitting all the premiers.
I really can't believe Star Wars is 37 years old. I may have to bust out Harmy's edits later.
RicOlie_2 said:
It could have been done, it just wasn't....
I think this is the main point to be made here; I don't know how exactly it could have followed the PT storyline we have now (your synopsis was pretty great, Ric), but I feel like it could have been done given the right talent and the right mindset.
I do feel like it would be weird without the droids, though...
Fang Zei said:
Perhaps I should clarify my original questions.
I'm not so much talking about syncing up in terms of story, but merely in terms of looking/sounding of a whole with the OOT.
But this kind of leads me to my other question: does it really matter? Does the fact that some of the environments in the PT are cg whereas even the most fantastical locales of the OOT (like Bespin) are still "analog" actually matter?
In a world without the SE, would it matter that the PT is as cg-filled as it is?
I feel like I addressed the first part of this in my first post fairly well; as for the second part, I'm almost not sure if it does matter.
I think the vast majority of what's wrong with the PT is story-related, and I feel like we could have ignored its over-reliance on CGI if it had a story that was on-par with the OT. I think the majority of us would have just shrugged it off as the progression of technology (which made heavy CGI use in the PT almost inevitable, SE or no).
If the Special Editions failed, I feel like the PT probably would never have happened.
Lord Haseo said:
Tyrphanax said:
danny_boy said:
Whether you like or dislike these adjustements/enhancements is a matter of opinion.
The fact that Haseo would be just fine with redubbing all the dialogue to bring it up to date really takes the cake, though, and shows Lucas-esque levels of revisionism. I mean, if we had the OUT already, then sure, replace all the actors with Jar-Jar for the next Special Edition for all I care, but not until then.
I only said I'd only consider it if it were better than the OUT. Lucas made changes for the worst (for the most part). Also do not take my words out of context in order to establish credibility. You're better than that.
Can any of you really say that Mark and Carrie gave good performances in ANH? If we were to compare any of their scenes to a scene with acting like this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bd_KCUZFk0
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwTx1UWswQ
it falls short. And before you say "STAR WARS was shot back in 1976." just remeber that Harrison Ford, Alec Guinness and Peter Cushing gave good performances in STAR WARS so there's no excuse. As for redubbing I only mentioned Mark and Carrie. Everyone else did a serviceable to good jobs.
I certainly don't mean to take your words out of context, my only point is that "better than the OUT" is a subjective thing. There can be no "definitive, objective" "better than" the OUT; even if this hypothetical new dialogue was written by a modern-day Shakespeare, it wouldn't "fit" with the movie to some people, just like the "improvements" in the SE don't "fit" with the movie for the majority of people here.
Personally, I think all revisions to Star Wars should be treated as alternate versions. Not one, even if it was an objectively "better" version, would replace the OUT for me, and I think that's why you're catching so much flak from so many people.
That sounds pretty easy. If only I had seen this before being murdered on countless Halloweens.
Bingo is technically a bummer on the loose.
To drag this back on topic, Total Biscuit does indeed have cancer.
Get checked.
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danny_boy said:
Whether you like or dislike these adjustements/enhancements is a matter of opinion.
Indeed, but to say that his version is definitively, objectively better than would be an official high-definition restoration of the OUT is patently ridiculous. Even Adywan himself agrees.
The fact that Haseo would be just fine with redubbing all the dialogue to bring it up to date really takes the cake, though, and shows Lucas-esque levels of revisionism. I mean, if we had the OUT already, then sure, replace all the actors with Jar-Jar for the next Special Edition for all I care, but not until then.
DominicCobb said:
Ugh, to me, that'd just be pointless. If I'm not mistaken, the whole point of the prequels is to show how Anakin became Darth Vader. To not show that would have been infuriating (at least to me).
Oh, I think that's a necessity if you're going to be making a prequel trilogy. But I think it could have still focused on Anakin and still retained the twists of the OT.
I don't think we need to have everything be explained explicitly throughout the movie.
This is incredibly exciting news. Whitta's dislike of the SEs and PT is huge, and his work on The Walking Dead game was good enough to win a BAFTA.
Very, very excited.
SilverWook said:
I would hope they toss the Lowry masters in front of a steamroller, and put the video of it's destruction on youtube. ;)
Maybe we can track them down and smash them with a sledgehammer?
I certainly believe that the PT could have been made to sync up with the OT. But I think the real question is: would it have been.
We all know that Lucas was always a pioneer for computer and digital effects, which makes me fear that any attempt before 1999 would have resulted in worse CGI that ages faster than Phantom already has.
But fortunately for the world at large, and unfortunately for Star Wars, computer technology was advancing at such an exponential rate that for a man as digitally-minded as Lucas is, it was only a matter of time before that ah-ha moment that told him he could finally move to that realm, as he had upon seeing the CGI in Jurassic Park.
So, basically, the longer time period between Jedi and Hypothetical-Prequel-One, the more likely it would be to be CGI-reliant.
Besides that, by this time the Star Wars brand was a huge money maker, and this opened up access to all kinds of new technologies and materials, but if Lucas were forced (or, better yet, forced himself) to pick through rubbish bins in order to build sets and props, then it would have certainly been entirely possible.
I honestly don't think that there's any way to reconcile the PT with the OUT outside of heavy fan editing to both. The whole idea of the PT was to fit in with the SEs and any other later changes that might come along.
As much as we don't agree, the OUT to Lucas was an unfinished sore spot that needed correcting, and so he corrected it to fit his liking more by making it match the PT instead of vice versa.
I understand that Haseo enjoys Ady's Revisited versions more, and that's totally cool and I respect that. I don't agree, but I don't think any less of him for it. I love showing ANH:R to friends and I really enjoy watching it myself because it really is what the Special Editions should have been.
I also have to defend him by acknowledging that he's only ever been for the release of the OUT, but that we shouldn't get our hopes up over every rumor we see, which is definitely true; though I do feel like if there is a time for the release of the OUT, it's coming. We're certainly a lot closer to it now than we were before the merger, now that Lucasfilm is out from under Lucas.
I apologize for misunderstanding your stance in my initial post, Haseo, but I disagree that Ady's version, or any version, especially fan-made, could replace or be superior to an official release of a restored, high-definition OUT, no matter how many technological advances there have been since 1977. Sure we can produce arguably better effects today with computers than were possible in 1977, but that doesn't mean that replacing all the practical effects in Star Wars with computer-generated ones makes it a superior film, the same as if you replaced the practical effects of any classic film with computer-generated ones.
However, I don't mean to disparage the work of our incredibly talented fan editors who have more or less taken on second jobs as video editors on a professional scale and level for no pay to give us fans as close as we can get to decent releases in at least some form. For that I feel as though the Star Wars community owes them an eternal debt of gratitude.
Anchorhead said:
Tyrphanax said:
Oooh, I'd love to see some sweet Anchorhead action.
Hey! I'm not that kind of girl. ;-)
=(
Bingo, you are a beautiful man.
Bingowings said:
Bollocks.
Life is much more than death.
It's novelty, it's weirdness, it's cheese footballs.
They don't look like footballs, they don't taste like cheese and are revolting and yet they are party food.
The whole spark of existence trapped in a conceptual art piece disguised as an ugly edible celebratory snack.
You are a bubble of chemicals caught in an explosion and yet you can feel despair. You are a miracle of probability mathematics, you've done the despair thing quite well (to be honest I find it a bit boring and gloomy after the first three decades) BUT!!
Try one of the other channels like curiosity... not too good for cats but you aren't a cat...I assume... (2014 cat's don't use the internet yet they just occupy the bits that aren't porn).
Or Cookery...! love a bit of short crust me!
The meaning of life *whispers* is there is no meaning so you can either get very cross or do what I do... MAKE MEANING!, invent rituals, make bread, plant vegetables, get fat and go on a diet, talk to beetles.
You have a blank sheet called your life, so you can write sonnets, do origami or are you just going to sit there giving yourself paper cuts?
A simple challenge, reinvent yourself, live and report back what you find.
This is an important post and it describes my way of life very simply.
I don't mean to chastise, Haseo, I'm just saying we shouldn't compromise. And with a franchise as big as Star Wars, with as much money behind it, we shouldn't have to compromise. People who want the OUT want the OUT, mistakes and all, because that's the ultimate version for them. That's the version that cemented Star Wars as the cultural landmark it is today.
Fan editors like Adywan and Harmy should be forever lauded for their contributions to the Star Wars franchise, the work they have done is incredible, but we shouldn't let the fact that we have their amazing work keep us from pushing for official releases.
I know this site won't be the deciding factor, but just look at the amount of publicity the whole issue has gotten in the past few years, some of it fueled by members of this site.
All I'm saying is we can't get complacent.
Bingowings said:
The dumb bit of Iron Man 3 was blowing up all those useful suits as a sign of commitment to Pepper.
A) How does that work? Domestic partners don't want you to blow up expensive, useful stuff generally speaking. Helping her build her own suit to manage her un-fixable superpowers (why would you want to be cured of being able to bend super tankers with your bare hands?) would make more sense.
B)If removing the shrapnel was easy enough to make a snap decision about, why didn't he make a snap decision about it earlier...like when the reactor keeping it in place was killing him?
C)We know he will just spend the rest of his marriage replacing them and probably pissing off Pepper in the process.
Stayed with MAOS but have attempted to avoid spoilers here.
It does get better, nice to see Deathlok turn up (I loved those comics as a kid). It still feels like Torchwood done better and not quite like the comics I remembered. I wish the Marvel and Doctor Who universe would merge so SHIELD and UNIT could team up against some sort of otherworldly menace.
Yeah, that was the dumbest part to me. It's supposed to be some inane message about how love conquers all and how Tony's transcended his need to hide behind armour and blah blah blah, when really all it does is kind of emasculate him (women always tend to "ruin" men in these movies by changing them from who they are as a sad excuse for character development) and leave him without his ability to participate as an Avenger. At the end he talks about always being Iron Man as he chucks his reactor, but Iron Man isn't really Iron Man without the whole iron man bit.
Also, I believe he took the Extremis formula, modified it (which stabilized Pepper), and dosed himself with it in order to survive the surgery to remove the shrapnel, but it's just not explained very well in the film. I could also be wrong.
LegButt.
RicOlie_2 said:
Part of the magic of Star Wars was that it was enjoyable at all ages. The prequels didn't have that. TPM was a kids' movie, AOTR was less of a kids' movie, but it isn't very appealing to adults either. ROTS wasn't appropriate for young children, and it was a mediocre film from an adult perspective.
ANH, ESB, and ROTJ, on the other hand, were/are enjoyable for everybody.
This was the point I was trying to make, and it got lost as I was rambling... I can sit down and love the OT today the same as I loved the OT when I was five.
But when I sit down to watch TPM today, I cannot enjoy it even close to the amount I enjoyed it when I was nine. The rest of the PT I never enjoyed as much as I did TPM, and they're even worse today.
timdiggerm said:
TheBoost said:
HigHurtenflurst said:
Klasodeth said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Tyrphanax said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
HigHurtenflurst said:
When the Death Star fires at the MonCalamari ship, it always bothered me that the beam didn't just punch right through like it was made of paper and keep going. It can destroy a whole planet, so a ship shouldn't have stopped it... Maybe it could even take out another ship(s) in the background.
This is a good one. I've always thought the same, myself.
I believe the official explanation is that the second Death Star had a variable energy output so they could dial it down to destroy a ship, or dial it up to destroy a planet.
Something about that explanation just never sat right with me.
Why not? It doesn't make sense to use the full power of the superlaser just to blow up something as tiny as a capital ship. Reducing the power level in exchange for a faster rate of fire not only makes sense, but would also help explain why the Death Star in Star Wars spent 30 minutes traveling around Yavin to to get in range of the Rebel base instead of blowing up Yavin and then blowing up the Rebel base two minutes later.
Why not? Well because the only "official" explanation would be whatever is in the movie in the first place and not some fan-boy EU crap. The emperor says it's "fully armed and operational," and nobody says anything different. What you say makes 100% sense, but once the ship explodes the beam would have gone through. Visually it would be a much more dramatic demonstration of the beam's supposed power.
The official explanation IS the movie.
The Death Star can blow up a planet. It can also blow up a ship. This is totally clear in the film. It requires no further exposition in the film, nor any outside discussion.
YOU made up a rule "once the ship explodes the beam would have gone through" that doesn't fit with what's in the film. The film is not in error.
This is the correct answer. The DSII is depicted as having variable-strength firepower. That's not a crazy concept.
Exactly my point. If it was supposed to have gone through, it likely would have. As much as we bemoan so-called "deliberate creative decisions" as regards to Star Wars on this site, this would likely have been done differently if the intent was different than it was.