Really wish they could get the legal issues sorted out (yeah right, lol) and finally remaster and release the tv broadcast since it has a lot more Donner stuff (and IMO, better takes regarding the actorās performances and b.g. music).
I saw it. I donāt have the 4K or the blu-rays. Some scenes had what felt to me like really blown out whites and contrast. Iām still used to the dvd version, myself. I even have a digital copy of an old screener that has no color timing changes at all.
I do have one big question. Why does Miss Teschmacher break Lex out of prison when (at least in the extended version) he tried to sacrifice her to their animals before Superman saved her. Youād think theyād be through by the events of the second film.
Perhaps because sheās hopelessly in love with him? Crazy girl. Lex, also tried to murder her mother (indirectly) - she lived in the same area the missiles would explode.
A bigger mystery is why the character vanishes from the film? Was there a reason, Iāve forgotten?
I think her last scene was using the āconveniencesā - a deleted moment, in the Fortress of Solitude?
Iām glad that buffoon, Otis, was cut loose from the film - but also sorry he didnāt hang around and have some scenes with the three super villains. I wonder what Ursa & Non wouldāve made of him?
Short answer (outside the film): Like Brando and Hackman, she never shot anything for part 2 under Richard Lesterās direction.
Long answer: In the script, Lex leaves her behind to freeze to death. Yeah, that wouldāve had to be re-written if Donner finished the film. Which wouldāve meant paying another actor more money. And the Salkinds werenāt having it. Just another note to the never ending list of why part 2 (and the rest of the franchise for that matter) was never finished and turned out the way that it did.
I saw a recent re-union at a con (recent as in, probably about a decade ago) with most of the actors (before she died) and she sounded a little sad about why she never returned for part 2.
Also, in the alternate version of the Richard Donner cut that aired on either hulu or Vudu, when we hear Eveās voice from afar at the FOS when she flushes the toilet, you hear a stock sound effect of a woman screaming and falling. Lex smiles devilishly, then says āShe found itā. Guess Michael Thau figured using some stock sounds to cover the bases wouldāve been an alternate way to remove Eve from the story. Glad it was cut. I grew up with the tv broadcast version of S2 and I always liked the additional scene of the 2 of them after they leave the FOS when Lex says tells her about the villains coming to Earth and that āEven when you lose, you winā.
South, Miss Teschmaker!!!
Itās fun trying to identify the changes in the three Kryptonian criminalsā appearance. In some of the additional R.I.C. shots, General Zodās hair colour changes from greying to slick black. Sarah Douglasās wig is another.
Honestly, Margot Kidderās appearance stands out the most between both versions. Her different makeup and hairstyles make her look almost unrecognizable in Lesterās material. Marc McClureās hair also looked different from both directors as well.
I think (and donāt quote me on this because I donāt even remember where I read this probably between 12-15 years ago) Sarah Douglass said in an interview that during one shoot her costume had her in high heels, but in another shoot, her shoes were wedges. I canāt remember which though.
Have you tried using any of the footage from the DC that is available to stream?
Iāve heard it mayāve been an earlier edit of the DONNER CUT, with additional deleted material ( boy gets killed by Non, etc).
Oh yeah. I definitely using that to help, along with the Restored International Cut. Iām almost done with my edit of the first film, but Iāll need someone talented in VFX to help out to get the second film done.
They even re-dubbed the kid when he gets on the horse. I think the original voice was better but in my copy of the RIC thereās a weird āechoā to his voice.
Iāll have to go back and listen for comparisons. Itās just that these voice doubles are really noticeable at times. Also, wasnāt Sarah Douglas dubbed the entire film?
The REALLY noticeable difference in voices is Stamp/Zod. In the Lester scenes and the Donner scenes in the theatrical version, his voice was pitched a bitch lower to make him sound more menacing. When you watch the Donner Cut that has entirely new scenes with him, his normal voice is present and itās clearly higher than what weāre used to hearing. This is just one of the many reasons I can never take Michael Thau seriously when he talks about putting the Donner Cut together. His main job is a sound designer, not a film editor, but even then he didnāt do his job right since he forgot to either go to the original dailies with Stampās original line readings, or to simply dub Stampās voice in the new Donner scenes so thereās consistency.
Say what you will about Lester, but at least him and his crew remembered the ālittle thingsā like, oh I dunno, the sound of police sirens and bedlam on the streets below after the Metropolis battle and theyāre all talking in Perryās office. In the theatrical cut, you hear all of it. In the Donner Cut? Nothing. Itās beyond obvious that theyāre clearly in a soundstage/studio. Hell, you even hear something in the background FALL and hit the ground during the scene when Lois figures out Clark is Superman (when the 2 of them are in Perryās office alone right before she jumps).
How does a professional miss these things, plus a million more Iām not gonna bother listing because Iāll get banned for spamming the page.
I actually think the Hackman/Luthor voice double used in the theatrical/Lester cut did better line readings than Hackman himself (mostly in the final scenes at the FOS).
You should post this in the cinemasscre truth sub on reddit. The fans will appreciate the classic nerd stuff as it originally broadcasted.
He never āfinishedā the project, but the last video he posted was a bunch of drawings with text to convey the idea (mostly editing and animation ānotesā). Iād imagine an entire cut of the film with a lot of these unfinished scenes is what he showed Tom Mankewitz.
I recently gave my PC an entire overhaul (new hardware and everything) and I canāt remember my myspleen password. Is there any way to recover/change it?
A shame your thread isnāt getting more of pulse, given how great your editing skills are. 10-12 years ago when the Fan-edit community exploded with faneditors having a go at Superman 2, youād have been leading the pack.
Unfortunately, āBad to the Boneā, and āGuitars, Cadillacsā ruins any idea that Arnold is the bad Terminator. They went with the obvious āArnold humorā that heās known for throughout his career, and played it up for yucks. I saw one fan edit someone made of T2 where they removed āBad to the Boneā and put the Terminator āthemeā (the ambient, irregular heartbeat noise in the first filmās score) and it works quite well.
I decided to take that idea a step further. The videogame āFar Cry 3: Blood Dragonā has a soundtrack that is very much an homage to Brad Fiedelās score to the first Terminator. So I decided to try out something. Have a look:
Not sure if this contributes to the conversation but Iām gonna throw it to the air. I still have the terminator on vhs (recorded to dvd and then digital) and I noticed in the fullscreen version that the aspect ratio has a lot more headroom. When the āTā and āRā in āTerminatorā cross at the beginning of the opening credits, you can actually see the top of the letters slide across each other, and THATāS why you hear that metal scrapping noise. Not sure if the entire presentation has that extra headroom though, as it might just be only that part.
YES!! For all things holy, I MUST have this. FINALLY a version of T2 without the pushed blue color timing (nothing against everyone who likes it. I understand it works for the movie, but T1 didnāt have a blue push, so I feel T2 shouldnāt either). It actually looks more like the trailer colors, which had a lot more neutral colors with a slight purple push for night scenes.
If you donāt get much results here, join the āFanresā message board. They are BIG on this sorta thing.
The links didnāt work for me.
YES!! Iām working on a T2 edit myself and I LOVE the color timing of the trailers. You can tell the blue filters hadnāt been added yet, and the night-time shots look more āpurpleā, while the daytime shots donāt have that āpinkā push. I have a German dvd that someone was nice enough to mail to me, and while the color timing is all over the place, there are a lot of scenes that look just like the trailer. Iād love to use this copy, but itās a bad quality, non-amorphic presentation.
I have a full-frame copy as well with slightly better than VHS/DVD quality (576p instead of 480p), but it has a hard purple push to it, and itās PAL format.
Also, someone over on another site is working on an edit that combines the full-frame with the widescreen (leaving black boxes in the four corners).
Anyway, yes I am eagerly awaiting to see what how this goes. Good luck!!
As Iāve said on the other website, give me this for Top Gun and The Temrinator and Iām good. Iāve noticed that on my fullscreen VHS copy of The Terminator, during the opening credits, when the Letters T and R cross each other, you actually SEE them touch, thus warranting the āsliding metalā sound.
Im doing color correction to remove the nighttime blue, but thatās with my digital video of the fullscreen VHS copy of mine, lol. Itās for my ā80ās Synth editionā fan edit. The thread is here about a year back I think.
Ugh, I wish I could remember which thread on which message board pointed out that there are 2 different door slam sounds. Who knows, maybe youāre right and theyāre the ones that all got it confused. Considering the research youāve put into this (and my faded memory), Iāll take your word for it. Actually makes me feel better to put a bit of closure on this. The real closure will be when they officially release the film with itās proper original sound (I can dream, right?).
ā¦However. Youāre missing the difference in the door clank sound at the police station
when The Terminator walks out (after saying āIll be backā).The door clang is the same in both monos.
Are you sure? Iāve read in other message boards that thereās a difference between the 2. Check out 0:47 of this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVeBJw-EzVI
Then compare it to 0:26 in this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxgkkJOEHS4
Notice how the first one is much louder. The 2nd one is lower, but sounds more 'correct".
Talking about this made me feel like popping in my old VHS copy that I never got rid of. I noticed somethingā¦funny. I think I have a very rare sound mix that no one has mentioned before. I took a clip to show an example of what I mean.
On a different note I decided to finally make a video comparing the subtle differences between the Mono on the LD and the one that was included on the MGM Special Edition DVD.
One slight difference I believe is present but didnt note in the video is when the Terminator cocks the 12 gauge in the gun shop. Is it me or does it sound like the cocking sound was double tracked on the MGM mono??
THANK YOU!!! I had read about these subtle differences on both this site and others, but never had them all compiled WITH annotations to point them out directly. Nice workā¦
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ā¦However. Youāre missing the difference in the door clank sound at the police station
when The Terminator walks out (after saying āIll be backā).
I actually like the color timing on that other screener that had no green tint at all. Whether in the Matrix or not.