TylerDurden389

Unfortunately, “Bad to the Bone”, and “Guitars, Cadillacs” ruins any idea that Arnold is the bad Terminator. They went with the obvious “Arnold humor” that he’s known for throughout his career, and played it up for yucks. I saw one fan edit someone made of T2 where they removed “Bad to the Bone” and put the Terminator ‘theme’ (the ambient, irregular heartbeat noise in the first film’s score) and it works quite well.

I decided to take that idea a step further. The videogame “Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon” has a soundtrack that is very much an homage to Brad Fiedel’s score to the first Terminator. So I decided to try out something. Have a look:

https://vimeo.com/141902509

Not sure if this contributes to the conversation but I’m gonna throw it to the air. I still have the terminator on vhs (recorded to dvd and then digital) and I noticed in the fullscreen version that the aspect ratio has a lot more headroom. When the “T” and “R” in “Terminator” cross at the beginning of the opening credits, you can actually see the top of the letters slide across each other, and THAT’S why you hear that metal scrapping noise. Not sure if the entire presentation has that extra headroom though, as it might just be only that part.

YES!! For all things holy, I MUST have this. FINALLY a version of T2 without the pushed blue color timing (nothing against everyone who likes it. I understand it works for the movie, but T1 didn’t have a blue push, so I feel T2 shouldn’t either). It actually looks more like the trailer colors, which had a lot more neutral colors with a slight purple push for night scenes.

If you don’t get much results here, join the “Fanres” message board. They are BIG on this sorta thing.

The links didn’t work for me.

YES!! I’m working on a T2 edit myself and I LOVE the color timing of the trailers. You can tell the blue filters hadn’t been added yet, and the night-time shots look more ‘purple’, while the daytime shots don’t have that ‘pink’ push. I have a German dvd that someone was nice enough to mail to me, and while the color timing is all over the place, there are a lot of scenes that look just like the trailer. I’d love to use this copy, but it’s a bad quality, non-amorphic presentation.

I have a full-frame copy as well with slightly better than VHS/DVD quality (576p instead of 480p), but it has a hard purple push to it, and it’s PAL format.

Also, someone over on another site is working on an edit that combines the full-frame with the widescreen (leaving black boxes in the four corners).

Anyway, yes I am eagerly awaiting to see what how this goes. Good luck!!

As I’ve said on the other website, give me this for Top Gun and The Temrinator and I’m good. I’ve noticed that on my fullscreen VHS copy of The Terminator, during the opening credits, when the Letters T and R cross each other, you actually SEE them touch, thus warranting the ‘sliding metal’ sound.

Im doing color correction to remove the nighttime blue, but that’s with my digital video of the fullscreen VHS copy of mine, lol. It’s for my “80’s Synth edition” fan edit. The thread is here about a year back I think.

Ugh, I wish I could remember which thread on which message board pointed out that there are 2 different door slam sounds. Who knows, maybe you’re right and they’re the ones that all got it confused. Considering the research you’ve put into this (and my faded memory), I’ll take your word for it. Actually makes me feel better to put a bit of closure on this. The real closure will be when they officially release the film with it’s proper original sound (I can dream, right?).

crissrudd4554 said:

TylerDurden389 said:

…However. You’re missing the difference in the door clank sound at the police station
when The Terminator walks out (after saying “Ill be back”).

The door clang is the same in both monos.

Are you sure? I’ve read in other message boards that there’s a difference between the 2. Check out 0:47 of this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVeBJw-EzVI

Then compare it to 0:26 in this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxgkkJOEHS4

Notice how the first one is much louder. The 2nd one is lower, but sounds more 'correct".

Talking about this made me feel like popping in my old VHS copy that I never got rid of. I noticed something…funny. I think I have a very rare sound mix that no one has mentioned before. I took a clip to show an example of what I mean.

http://vimeo.com/246350949

crissrudd4554 said:

On a different note I decided to finally make a video comparing the subtle differences between the Mono on the LD and the one that was included on the MGM Special Edition DVD.

https://vimeo.com/246332731

One slight difference I believe is present but didnt note in the video is when the Terminator cocks the 12 gauge in the gun shop. Is it me or does it sound like the cocking sound was double tracked on the MGM mono??

THANK YOU!!! I had read about these subtle differences on both this site and others, but never had them all compiled WITH annotations to point them out directly. Nice work…
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…However. You’re missing the difference in the door clank sound at the police station
when The Terminator walks out (after saying “Ill be back”).

I actually like the color timing on that other screener that had no green tint at all. Whether in the Matrix or not.

Fair enough. Given the HD era we live in now, only hardcore Supes fans who remember the tv edit would have interest, unfortunately. As for ‘other things’ I hope you mean your official HD fan edit of S2.

::puts hands in pockets and walks away slowly, whistling::

Booshman said:

I think you’re right.

Why not just PM some of them with the request? Don’t even talk about it on the board.

Booshman said:

In the meantime if anyone wants to preview part 2 on their 5.1 setup let me know. I am eager to get this out, but not before i can verify the sound is ok.

Still waiting on that? I’d say ask the people on the fanedit message board, but I think they have policies against tv edits or non-official releases or something, correct?

I’ll be following this thread, as I’m working on a fan edit of Terminator 2 and am trying to remove as much of that steel blue color timing as possible.

TV versions of films I’ve seen that have deleted scenes that have never appeared in any official release:

• Superman 2 - Yes, there’s more stuff Donner and Lester shot that hasn’t been released
• Ace Ventura - About 10-12 minutes of footage
• Stephen King’s Thinner - 5 or so minutes I caught on a horror channel
• The Birdcage - A good 20 minutes (roughly 6-8 scenes) of footage

Movies I’ve seen in recent years that have added footage that I’ve found on the interwebs:

• First Blood
• Cobra
• National Lampoon’s Loaded Weapon part 1

I’m sure there’s more but I just woke up and can’t really think before coffee, lol.

Looks like the green is removed. Most Matrix fans would say this is heresy, but I actually prefer neutral colors. When I was younger and had the movie on DVD (the first dvd with the snap case), I remember watching behind the scenes clips from the movie that didn’t have the green, or even the music. I remember thinking: “Hmm. Wouldn’t it be cool if they released an alternate version like that. I’d love to try putting in different music and see if it fits”.

Yeah, I was already into fan editing long before I even heard of it, lol.

Dek Rollins said:
I do hope that a 35mm scan of The Terminator will come to the OT community sometime, but we’ll just have to wait and see. 😄

Sign me up for that as well…Talk to the guys that did the “Silver Screen” edits of Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Please don’t take this the wrong way guys, but I still have a copy of The Terminator on vhs, and it isn’t that blue. The color was always pretty neutral, except for the future scenes which are always blue (though some trailers have those scenes look very pink/magenta pushed. Probably Cameron’s floodlights to help the blue once the filters were added. Same thing for T2 trailers).

I also have a very old German dvd of Terminator that looks like it was taken from a film print (lots of print damage and cigarette burns), and it’s actually very teal, but not the same kind of teal like the blu-ray. It’s more natural, if that makes any sense.

Here’s some screencaps:

http://sd.caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php?vergleichID=221

It’s the first DE/German dvd on the left. The only one with a 1.66 aspect ratio.

So the original print was NOT in fact, as Teal as so many have said? Not so much here maybe, but on other sites where we discuss this. Cuz I have an old german DVD that actually has a very teal color to it. Not so much like the current Region A blu-rays (much more natural, IMO), but many have argued the case that this is why the film was originally teal.

Personally, I want it to look like (and of course, sound like) the way I watched it growing up. So it doesn’t even matter to me.

Yeah, my internet has ben slow-to-not working on and off for the past month now and I have no idea why. Doing that post actually took about 20 minutes because I had to wait till roughly 50 seconds of those videos loaded and I could hear. I researched about 5 videos and must’ve gotten them mixed up.

Also, another thing others have noted in the differences in the mono mixes is that you can hear the motorcycle Arnold is riding BEFORE we see him riding it right after the sex scene, while in others you don’t hear it till we see him. My old VHS copy is the former.

Listen closely @0:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYXZyPg04a8&t=87s

Notice that loud sound when the door hits the glass?

Now listen here at the same time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxgkkJOEHS4&t=70s

No loud clang. A more typical sound a door makes when it hits something.

Lucky you!! I was supposed to see a 35mmm print a few weeks ago, and they changed it to a DCP at the last minute. I got my money back, but lost out on Sunday pay at work (called out). Aside from what Dek mentioned, pay close attention to the sound of the door hitting the wall when Arnold swings it open after he says “Ill be back” (It’s right before he comes back and kills the guy with his car). There are 2 mono mixes of the film, and both have a different sound effect for when the door slams open.