Again, I really like that this version is retaining the blown out, hard light, high contrast look of the movie. This is going to be incredible to see all the way through!
negative1 said:
i love music.. but i could care less if it's a SACD or DVD-audio, which
are dead.. mp3's at 256k or 320k ARE GOOD ENOUGH.. so are CD's.
DVD's ARE GOOD ENOUGH for most people.
and Windows? what does that have to do with anything?
that's ALL I WILL EVER USE. no need for macs/linux, etc..
NO THANKS!
the market HAS SPOKEN, too bad for you!
later
-1
I am actually really disappointed that DVD-audio didn't catch on. CD is not a good format- it cuts off too many frequencies that a lot of people actually CAN hear- maybe not by themselves, but you can certainly tell the difference when they are missing.
That's why new LPs on the proper equipment still sound better than their CD counterparts.
^^I love the very high contrast look of that, with all of the blown out whites (like the stormtrooper outfits). It would have been shot with this in mind, the 3rd-generation release print. Amazing how much better the effects seem to blend in in this version.
Exciting stuff!
negative1 said:
there are sections that are ORIGINALLY shaky cam like
in the film, even with stabilization.. ... that stuff will be
mildly straightened out i think...
Isn't that part of the original camerawork though?
negative1 said:
due to the scenes being shot at different times,
and places.. there is discontinuity all throughout
the tatooine scenes.. they will be evened out in
our version though.
later
-1
Why even it out if that's the way it was cut together? It sounds to me like that isn't a flaw on your print- just a side effect of the way "Star Wars" was actually filmed. Maybe I'm being too much of a purist here...
^^ I am convinced that the scene with Obi-Wan was intentionally blown out that way.
If you notice, the part before Obi-Wan comes, which is in the same location, has normal colors.
It's precisely when Obi-Wan appears that the frame turns white.
For home video, they were probably trying to correct everything to "normal" and so they saw these blown out whites as a mistake and regraded it to match the part that had come before.
flynn2000 said:
I see Star Wars as a milange of a Western movies and World War II adventure films.
I can definitely see WWII with the imperial uniforms and with all of the aerial dogfighting.
And I can definitely see westerns...I think I actually made the comment before that when "Star Wars" came out, westerns were still really popular and prevalent in culture, so Han shooting Greedo under the table, and the whole cantina sequence, would have seemed like no big deal at the time.
In 1997, westerns had died out and I think maybe Lucas forgot that there are scenes like the cantina scene in many, many westerns.
bilditup1 said:
Trooperman said:
bilditup1 said:
LOL dude. I'm glad you figured it out, but I think I'll always be puzzled by people who think that Star Wars could possibly be considered a work of science fiction.
Well, you have laser swords and laser guns and space stations, new worlds, alien creatures...etc. So I don't think sci-fi is completely off base considering that there is so much technology/creatures/bizarre stuff in every frame.
But up until now I considered it more of an adventure like an Errol Flynn movie. When Luke throws the cable up and the two of them swing across the chasm with the fanfare and then those beautiful, soaring, strings- that just sums up the whole movie for me and gives it away as being a complete homage to the Golden Age.
I hope I'm not starting to sound pretentious;)
EDIT: And then with Empire Strikes Back it becomes an homage to a Wagner opera. The music reflects this.
And then with Return of the Jedi, it gets this really deep, Shakespeare, father/son kind of feel which is much more serious and less tongue in cheek than anything that came before it. These two sequences:
-Vader vs. Luke in ESB
-The throne room sequence in ROTJ
gave a huge, epic feel to Star Wars- and the prequels were based on these two scenes, not on the vast majority of the OT which was adventure and fantasy and paying tribute to Western culture of the past...whether as recently as Errol Flynn or as far back as Wagner.
Sorry for rambling and for hijacking this thread. Thanks again harmy for an outstanding job on this.
Not pretentious at all. OK, maybe, but I thought it was well-said. If you haven't already read it, you should get zombie84's book (now available, apparently, in Kindle format!):
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the+secret+history+of+star+wars
But as to the laserswords/space stations and all that: I am reminded of an old saying from the Mishnah - don't look at the jar, but at what is inside it. I think you seem to get it now, what with your references to Errol Flynn and such...but I'm also thinking of this review, which called the 2009 Star Trek 'the best Star Wars since 'The Empire Strikes Back'', and I think explicates pretty well how to avoid the 'lasersword' trap you fell into.
http://rosslangager.com/2011/06/18/film-review-star-trek-2009/
Thanks for your response. I'll check out those links. That is very true...it's not the jar, but what's inside it. Don't look at the cover, but at the words in the book. Sci-fi is just a way to disguise the Errol Flynn/fantasy story.
bilditup1 said:
LOL dude. I'm glad you figured it out, but I think I'll always be puzzled by people who think that Star Wars could possibly be considered a work of science fiction.
Well, you have laser swords and laser guns and space stations, new worlds, alien creatures...etc. So I don't think sci-fi is completely off base considering that there is so much technology/creatures/bizarre stuff in every frame.
But up until now I considered it more of an adventure like an Errol Flynn movie. When Luke throws the cable up and the two of them swing across the chasm with the fanfare and then those beautiful, soaring, strings- that just sums up the whole movie for me and gives it away as being a complete homage to the Golden Age.
I hope I'm not starting to sound pretentious;)
EDIT: And then with Empire Strikes Back it becomes an homage to a Wagner opera. The music reflects this.
And then with Return of the Jedi, it gets this really deep, Shakespeare, father/son kind of feel which is much more serious and less tongue in cheek than anything that came before it. These two sequences:
-Vader vs. Luke in ESB
-The throne room sequence in ROTJ
gave a huge, epic feel to Star Wars- and the prequels were based on these two scenes, not on the vast majority of the OT which was adventure and fantasy and paying tribute to Western culture of the past...whether as recently as Errol Flynn or as far back as Wagner.
Sorry for rambling and for hijacking this thread. Thanks again harmy for an outstanding job on this.
I watched this all the way through today. Very, very nice work on bringing the colors much more in line with what they should be compared to the official releases- really gives it a different feeling completely.
It occurred to me watching it that "Star Wars" is actually a fairy tale- not science fiction.
When Ben appears and uncloaks his hood, the entire frame turns really, really bright and white. He is like the white wizard with a halo all around him. That's why he wears a hood too.
The Force and the force theme are magic- it's fantasy, a fairy tale.
I don't know why, but I realized that for the first time, seeing it with the new colors. Anyway, great job.
The Aluminum Falcon said:
Trooperman said:There was only one thing wrong- George Lucas apparently snuck in the CGI shot of the truck going over the cliff in the chase. When I saw that I was livid. It took me about 5 minutes to get over it.
In the presentation I watched, I saw the original non-CGI'ed shot. Sorry, man, don't know what you saw, but, I'm about 80% sure that it was the original shot in the IMAX presentation. I noted it, since the background looked "crinkly"/"folded"/1980s-fake. The truck also stuck out like a composite and wasn't blended like in the CGI version. Though, the shot did seem like it was re-timed. That threw me off, for a second, since the new color timing more resembled the yellowish, less reddish timing of the CGI version. Has anyone else seen the CGI shot at their IMAX showings?
You may be right on the D.C. shot (I just noticed it was blurry), but the truck shot was definitely CGI in the screening I saw. The camera followed the truck down the cliff, rather than tilting down. I wish it wasn't true, but I saw what I saw.
it was the bottom shot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
^^ I know it's a nitpick, but it's just frustrating when up until then the movie has been so great and so filmlike and hyper detailed and historically accurate, and then there's that CG shot. Besides looking blurry, the camera movement is terrible- it just doesn't fit in.
But again I want to emphasize that this and a very quick establishing shot of Washington D.C. at the end was the only problem with the movie, which was spectacular. I was very, very impressed by the sound mix which put music first.
EDIT: Funny - when I went to buy my ticket, the guy in the booth (in his 20s) goes, "It feels so cool to be selling tickets to Raiders of the Ark." I laughed and said, "I know-it's like 1981 all over again!"
"Raiders of the Lost Ark" was wonderful in IMAX. The colors were rich, the grain was there, the music was very loud compared to the sound effects...and the image was hyper-detailed. I think it is by far the best presentation of the film yet. The old blue and white "PG" rating card was even at the end after the credits. A truly stellar presentation.
There was only one thing wrong- George Lucas apparently snuck in the CGI shot of the truck going over the cliff in the chase. When I saw that I was livid. It took me about 5 minutes to get over it.
The establishing shot of Washington D.C. also looked extremely blurry and computerized compared to the surrounding shots and I suspect it may have been CG altered too.
How did this get through? Certainly not with Steven Spielberg's permission.
But that was just one blot on an otherwise stellar presentation- as I said, I think it's the best yet. Go and see Raiders in IMAX.
Going to see Raiders in IMAX....
Given the gazillion changes to the audio over 1977, as well as changes to the credits (apparently) over the course of that same year, is it at all possible that George Lucas went back to the original negative and had certain scenes recolored at the lab, too- and then implemented into new prints of the film, because he wasn't perfectly happy it as it was?
I have to say that I am very much looking forward to this project. While the Harmy 2.0 seems to be a beautiful restoration by all accounts, with even the colors and contrast corrected (and I would like very much to see it), the fact is that it would never have looked that way in the theater because it is sourced from the o-neg. But every release print (like the ones this is sourced from) was 3rd generation so it has a very different look.
All this to say, both projects are invaluable in their own ways and I very much look forward to this one.
-TM
^^Interesting ideas.
New Episode 3 dub is done (George Lucas cut only).
August 16, 2012
http://www.mania.com/spielberg-indy-imax_article_133888.html
This is going to make a big splash when it comes out.
The average Joe on Youtube will see Star Wars like he's never seen it before....
emanswfan said:
So would it be okay to use these audio mixes in future fanedits? Or maybe recreate certain edits with these mixes?
Sure.
"Funny Lady" with Barbara Streisand, 1975.
Very interesting to see this on film. It was grainy in places, but so much depth in the blacks and really, really beautiful in places.
For version 1.0 AOTC he did the dialogue exactly as scripted- the same thing as Hayden only better. The thing is that unlike my edits, this audio track is meant to synch up with the official DVD.
He will be doing retakes at some point, so if any of you had suggestions on replacements for particularly egregious lines that would still synch up with George Lucas' cut we can try them...
Episode 2 dubbing is done- will be working on the mix in the coming weeks.
"The Hunger Games"
Suffered from pacing problems, but nonetheless a very good flick.
Adywan is a great editor but we were editing far before he came:) If you want to find the true godfather of fan editing, I think he would have to be the "Phantom Editor".