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#107965
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107965/action/topic#107965
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ChainsawAsh- That's wonderful. Do you have a reasonably appropriate voice?

Trooperman, after RotS I must ask, do you still plan on re-dubbing Anakin in THAT film? If you could try and keep your line readings in 2 as similar to Hayden as possibile then maybe Anakin having Hayden's voice in 3 can be attributed to his age. I just think Hayden gave a knockout performance in 3 and wouldn't want to lose it for anything.


As I watched Revenge of the Sith, I was both impressed at how good Hayden's performance was (also how much it had improved since II) and also irritated, because he created so much to live up to. I realize I or anyone is hard-pressed to do a better job. However, I can't attribute the voice change to age, because it would be older/more mature voice to higher-pitched voice as time went by. It wouldn't really work. Also, the main purpose of the dubbing is to change the voice acting to a more mature level, with different inflections; otherwise, I might as well have not gone to the trouble, as it's a lot of work! Therefore, I have to use my voice for RotS, for continuity's sake.

Here is an idea, however, for my DVD version of Revenge of the Sith (and I won't be changing the title for that; just the crawl if possible). I can create two mixes for this movie: one with my voice for continuity, and another one with all the other changes I have made- but retaining Hayden's voice. Therefore, if you feel my performance is inferior and decide, "The heck with continuity!" then you can watch my version with Hayden's voice, as he does do a good job. This works for RotS and not SotDS because I am not changing any Anakin dialogue for RotS; my work will be purely for continuity with Ep. II.

It would be more work for me to do RotS this way, but it would probably please more people. It would also mean I couldn't approach it the same way I'm doing II; I would have to completely edit it prior to replacing the voices. Right now with II, I'm tackling the hardest aspect first, which is completely replacing all the dialogue, even for scenes I know I will not use (I can still include them on DVD as deleted). What I don't know is whether it would be worth it to do two mixes for RotS.
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#107484
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107484/action/topic#107484
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Here's my idea for the scene at the end with Palpatine and Vader in the suit.

Palpatine: Lord Vader...can you hear me?
Vader: Yes, master. Where is Padme? Is she all right?
Palpatine: It seems that in the midst of your anger ( or in your absence) , Kenobi killed her.

(dialogue cut, pasted, and blended from elsewhere).

Dark chords play underneath. Music swells. Shot of Darth Vader's mask. Too shocked and angry for words. Hard cut to next scene.

I also agree that the medical robot should not say that Padme died because she lost the will to live. She would have stayed alive for the kids. Better is...

Medical robot: We're losing her due to to damages to the respiratory system.

Or something like that.


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#107472
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107472/action/topic#107472
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"Cool" was used extensively by Anakin in The Phantom Menace. I realize he's a kid, but still, I don't think people say "cool" in Star Wars.

And as for this edit, seeing Episode III has put a lot of things into perspective for me. I'm even more excited about doing an edit of Episode III than Episode II (it will be easier, as well), but I'm taking one project at a time. But I'm very very excited about doing that particular edit.

As for Episode II, Episode III has somewhat changed my plans for Episode II, because now I want to dub Grievous myself. I am not versatile enough an actor to do five different voices (Anakin, Lama-Su, Jedi Analysis Room robot, medical robot in Episode III, and General Grievous). Granted, the two robots are almost non-factors because the voice will be modified digitally and will unrecognizable. But I can do either Anakin and Lama-Su, or Anakin and Grievous, not both. Lama-Su and Grievous would sound too obviously similar.

So that changes things. I would still like to modify Lama-Su's dialogue to establish 1. Obi-Wan is concerned about the morality of the clones, 2. this is their first clone army, and 3. Boba Fett is Jango's natural son, and his mother is unknown. At least we can have some kind of mystery surrounding Boba Fett.

But it appears I have two options: Make a public request on these forums for someone with a good voice to record a mono .wav of Lama-Su dialogue (a lot of it is voiceover, some lip sync), and get it to me for use in my edit. The other option is to somehow get hold of a Portugese, Russian, or other obscure language track for Episode II, and extract the Lama-Su dialogue from that, subtitling it. The problem with that being that I have to replace and subtitle the voice for the other Kamino woman, who's performance I really liked. (After all those years...we were beginning to think you weren't coming). Actually, I don't mind the original voice of Lama-Su; I'd just like to change his dialogue.

Here's a thought: what if I were to secure obscure foreign language tracks for Ep. I and Ep. II (that nobody would recognize as a real language) and use that for Jar-Jar? Then, going back to do Episode I, I could use MagnoliaFan's, ADigitalMan's, and Hal's ideas for subtitles, but have a convincing alien voice. I would need to know that I had access to this for Episode I, however, before doing it for II. I realize I'm doing these in a rather odd order.

MTHaslett- I see exactly what you're talking about for the dream. I'll try to replicate the effect in Episode III somehow; it was very effective.

And please, anyone who can provide feedback or suggestions on foreign language tracks, it would be much appreciated. Also, now having seen Episode III, what do you know wish was in Episode II to tie-in or make more sense? Between MagnoliaFan's edit, Rebel Scumb's plans for his edit, all the fantastic ideas in this thread, and Anakin's voice redone, I'm confident that this will turn out beautifully. The more feedback, the better this project is.

Thanks!
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#107110
Topic
Ep. III: Focus on tracked music
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107110/action/topic#107110
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My breakdown of Revenge of the Sith:

Music: As the movie progressed, the music became infinitely better. It was downright beautiful towards the end. But…I can pick out tracked cues very very easily, and there were quite a few in this movie. Tracked from TPM, tracked from AOTC- and I could even tell what scenes they were from as I listened.

Another huge problem I had was the use of that upbeat march to begin practically every scene in the film. Right after the dark scenes, there should have been dark, murky music for transitions to really drive it home. Instead, we get the same old tired-sounding march. It stylistically ruined it, in my opinion, and it would have been so much more powerful with more appropriate music.

As for the opening battle, I was simply not impressed. Not impressed with the music (which didn’t feel like SW battle music), not impressed with the overly colorful CG (particularly the buzz droids), not impressed with the phony speed with which the CG characters and ships moved at the beginning. I think some of those shots should have been slowed down by 2 to look slightly more realistic. I just felt it had no tension, it was forced, and it didn’t feel like Star Wars. Especially the “thunk thunk” music at the beginning. I was disappointed with that.

I was impressed with the Dooku/Anakin duel, however. That was good. I absolutely loved when Anakin has Dooku’s head between his sabers, and Anakin is holding back, and Palpatine says, “Go ahead. Kill him.” Dooku finally realizes (too late) how much Palpatine really cares about him. And THAT makes Vader’s turning in ROTJ so much more believable. Not only is his son rolling around on the floor being murdered, calling for his help, but Vader previously got a disturbing feeling of deja-vou when Palpatine said his line about taking his father’s place at my side. Luke hacked his arm off, and Palpatine said, “Good.” He was probably beginning to feel as though his role was like Dooku’s; to die when a younger, stronger man came along.

Obi-Wan: How did this happen? We’re smarter than this.

No comment.

Anakin/Padme: WAY better than Ep. II. So much more natural, likable…and Portman actually acted in this one. Hayden was very good, as well. He was so much more likable in this one, ironically; you really felt sorry for him in the end. McDiarmid was great, in my opinion. I liked him especially at the beginning (“I need your help, son.”) and when he told the story of Darth What’s-his-name; he was just very good. Later on, he went a bit overboard, but he was still good.

Another problem with this movie is that some serious moments were overdone and became comical (detrimental to movie). I can’t remember specifically, but they were kind of corny.

General Grievous: stupid name, stupid character. I really couldn’t believe it when I first saw him. From his hunched back to his stupid sounding voice to his constant coughing, I just really couldn’t stand him. To emphasize the point, I would be open to a version of this movie where Jar-Jar replaced Grievous; it might have actually worked better! (just kidding)

Yoda/Sidious: Boy, I was worried about this. If you’ve read the “Shroud of the Dark Side” thread, I was completely against Yoda with a lightsaber after AOTC and was hoping there would be a way to cut it out of this movie as well. But it doesn’t need to be cut; it was handled very, very well in this movie. I loved it. This probably had something to do with McDiarmid vs. Lee. I loved when Yoda fell in a heap on the floor due to the force lightning (although I felt bad for him), and I loved when Palpatine got knocked backwards and fell over his chair. I LOVED that because it made the whole thing seem like a real event in a real place, when one of the actors actually fell over a real prop during the fight. It’s amazing how little things like that affect the realism overall.

Anakin killing the kids: heartbreaking scene. Really works. The audience in my theatre was gasping as the little boy asked Anakin a question, and in response he ignites his lightsaber. How Vader gets his name is rather lame. So is Padme dying because she doesn’t have the will to live anymore, and the naming of Luke and Leia. But the whole scene on the lava planet was spectacular. I loved how Anakin is hugging Padme one moment, then Obi-Wan shows up and he starts choking her. Talk about bad timing, Obi-Wan!

However, birth of Darth Vader=very poorly done as soon as Vader starts talking. Huge disappointment; not anywhere close to up-to-par with the rest of the film.

Vader: Noooo…..

Completely stupid; they botched this scene badly. Audience was laughing.

But overall, this film was very well done; the only things I think detracted from it where: the space battle, Grievous, and stupid editing and tracked music. I could also have done without Obi-Wan riding around on that animal in the middle of the movie. But George Lucas has done something this time that’s really wonderful, and that he’s never done before. This is the most emotional, heartbreaking movie that he’s ever directed. Notice I didn’t say the best, however. I really couldn’t give a rip about the characters in Ep. I or II; they were all so contrived and forced, with crummy dialogue throughout. This one was different; I had a genuine emotional connection with all of the main characters. And I say congratulations to Lucas for that.

This movie is so much better done than the other two prequels, and a lot of it is little, stylistic stuff: Padme waiting behind the pillar for Anakin (felt classic: I loved how Williams used the B- section of the love theme for this; beautiful). Obi-Wan’s line about a special day with the politicians cracked me up. The whole Padme/Anakin romance was WAY above AOTC.

But the line: You were the chosen one! with just strings in the background; that really hit home for me. The whole thing was so sad. I also loved when Obi-Wan asks where Anakin is, and then Padme suspects he plans to kill him, and then they cut to Obi-Wan’s face and he says nothing.

It was unlike any other Star Wars movie yet, but it goes very far beyond the other two prequels, in my opinion.



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#106838
Topic
Symbolism in ROTS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106838/action/topic#106838
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Isn't it possible that 66 was choosen just because it sounded good? I don't think it dictates Bilical reference being as vague as it is.


It's possible, but why not 22, 33, 44, 55, 77, 88, 99, 79, 73...there are all kinds of combinations that might sound good. Why 66 in particular?

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Where does Luck say that exactly?


Luke says that (or whispers it, mouths it, whatever) at the end of ROTJ when he's in the shuttle, right after escaping from the fireball erupting from the Death Star.