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#106836
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Symbolism in ROTS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106836/action/topic#106836
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I saw Revenge of the Sith yesterday on opening night. I have a lot to say about it; some good, some bad...but a couple things stuck out at me. It seems to me that Lucas used some aspects of Christianity to create the concept of the Force, more so in this movie than in any other.

At the end of ROTJ, Luke whispers: Thank God. I'm actually not sure whether it's audible or not, but his lips are moving using those words. That was the first clue. But now, in ROTS....

Anakin: This baby is a blessing.

A blessing from who?

Palpatine: Execute order 66.

Actually really interesting and significant Lucas uses that particular number. 7 is the perfect number in the Bible. 6 is the Devil's number, falling short of 7, the ideal. And 666 is also a really bad number, being comprised entirely of 6's.

So there's some subtle symbolism here; Lucas didn't use "66" by coincidence. Any thoughts on this in general?
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#106530
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106530/action/topic#106530
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Thanks very much, Arklaine. You're in luck; that line is gone along with Beru's line, "Hello." I agree that "girlfriend" doesn't sound right in a Star Wars movie. I was even considering removing Owen's dialogue revealing his name, because it seemed to introduce inconsistencies with SW (ANH). But Beru's line is gone, Padme's line is gone, and very possibly I will remove the "stepbrother" line as well.

One of the great things about the OT was its pace and also its character introductions. To get a feel for the characters, you didn't write a part in the script where they stood around and chatted/introduced themselves, you wrote something like the original Han/Greedo scene.

Greedo: I've been looking forward to this for a long time.
Han: Yes, I'll bet you have.

Bang. That sets up Han's character really nicely.

You know, another word that's out of place in the prequels is "cool." Characters never said "cool" in the OT, so removing it in the PT restores some of that classic quality to it (specifically TPM). It's sometimes those little things that really add up.

Thanks for the input!
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#106312
Topic
Food
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106312/action/topic#106312
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Something I find really funny- a lot of obese people who ate at McDonald's every day and never gave a second thought about a diet or on eating healthy things are now proud followers of the Atkins diet.

Eat meat meat meat and more meat. All the meat you want!

They're on the diet because it's an easy one to follow (and in my opinion is complete garbage. Eat in moderation and exercise, I say).
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#106125
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For those that cannot play PAL DVD's....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106125/action/topic#106125
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I've heard it said "most people" don't notice the speedup, but for a movie I've seen as many times
as STAR WARS, it sticks out like a sore thumb to my ears.


Same thing with me. Although part of my problem is that I have "perfect pitch", which means my brain immediately gives me the names of the 12 pitches upon hearing them. So when I start SW in PAL, my brain's busy reminding me that the Main Theme is playing in the key of B instead of B flat.

Which is why I don't watch SW in PAL.
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#106116
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106116/action/topic#106116
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In response to Darth Belan, I ask him to read the very good post above by Anakin’s Mannequin.

Imagine this: a boxed DVD set of the original trilogy. In each case comes three discs: one of the original version, one of the 1997 version, and one of the 2004 version.

I would be very happy with that. He does have the right to edit his movies.

So think of this as though it was an “SE” of the prequel, available alongside the original version. The primary difference is that I believe that this will far surpass the original version (like George did, only I think he was wrong). Part of this editing is to age the film, the opposite goal of the SE.

So I think the point is that although some of us on this board may hate the SE, we don’t have a problem with the fact that it exists and that it is available. Our problem is that the OOT is not.

But the semi-original prequels ARE available, so I don’t see a problem with my edit. I admit that I’m getting a lot more creative in the editing than George ever did, but then again, I never criticized his editing specifically, if we weren’t stuck with it forever.

That being said, a lot of people don't like the remakes of the OT, or the prequels. And some of these people that feel this way have made re-edits for the first two prequels to sort of put in the image the way they thought it should have been.

Right.

So what if the acting is a little lame or weak, NEWS FLASH....the acting has been weak in all the movies.

But not anywhere near this weak. Compare romantic scenes between Han/Leia and Anakin/Padme. You can't tell me that they were anywhere close to being on the same acting level. So what? I started this edit because I cannot stand Ep. II in its current state. I don't know if MagnoliaFan liked the prequels to begin with, but I really can't stand them. I was raised on the OT. So my edit will turn out quite differently from his, I think.

So when Padme challenges Anakin to come with her to save Obi Wan, I wonder if it can become a kind of "awakening of the Force" scene. If Anakin can begin the scene, receiving Obi-Wan's message in a very down and defeated frame of mind (i.e. with sad music) -- a frame of mind which Padme pushes him out of. I think this could happen if she simply starts leaving to save Obi Wan without Anakin stopping her to discussing it as he does now. Their discussion has to happen differently. Anakin can listen as she says "He gave you strict orders to protect me and I'm going to save Obi Wan..." Then lay in some of the Force music before he smiles or get out of there without him smiling or...


That's a good idea. I've actually talked about heavily editing this scene earlier in the thread, because I can't stomach it in its current state. I'll think about it and talk about it a little later.

Other than that point, this edit fits beautifully as a set up for Ep III.


Oh boy! So you have seen ROTS! I'm seeing it opening night on Thursday. That's very encouraging though!


BTW, Ep III has visual design and sound cues for the dream you're trying to construct of Anakin seeing Shmi tied up. This is one change that will make Ep II and Ep III fit together better in quite a few ways.

Great! The only problem being that I have to wait until November to get that footage. Sounds like it's worth it, though.
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#105977
Topic
2 versions of EP3? this is out of control
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/105977/action/topic#105977
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For Episode 1, supposedly there were a total of 5 different versions, counting the preview cut.

1. Darth Maul stays in one piece when he falls
2. Darth Maul splits in two near the end of the shaft
3. Darth Maul splits in two almost immediately after falling
4. VHS version supposedly added couple of brief shots of Podrace
5. We all know about the DVD version.


Does anyone know whether the preview cut of Ep. III available on Ares is different from the theatrical film prints or the digital?
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#105898
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/105898/action/topic#105898
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1. This site is about preserving the original trilogy, not the original prequels, which stink in their current condition (IMO)
2. This is non-profit
3. I am not denying the original prequels exist, nor am I attempting to replace them with my edits. They are simply offered as an alternative for anyone who doesn't like the PT in its current state.
4. My editing specifically is meant not to make the films look newer, as the goal of the SE was; it is to age them, to make them feel older and more like the OT.

So in a way, even though I'm chopping the films up worse than Lucas, they are the prequels, and the work I'm doing is bringing them closer to the OT, and not farther from it.

So it really isn't hypocritical. And I'm changing his "vision" because I don't like it; however if you don't like my work, then no damage is done. You have the option of watching the others.