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#116648
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Why such hate on the OT DVD set?
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The Death Star scene MUST NOT BE TAMPERED WITH!


Too late, though- they practically redid every shot with CG for the SE.

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if Lucas wants to alter the images of Episodes 4 - 6 Because he wants the new generation and generations to come to enjoy it, then let him.


I know so many kids from the new generation that enjoy the original versions more than the SE's, it isn't funny. The others haven't even seen the originals and therefore think that the SE is better.

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He in no way alters the story


Even if that was true, changing story isn't the only problem. A long, long time ago, people used to pay attention to pacing and aesthetics as well.

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the hardcore fans should have their mental capacity checked out by a professional psychiatrist.


My my! Getting excited?

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If luke is the JEDI Knight he claimed him self to be, as well as Yoda says he will be after he confrotns Vader, Then Luke will know of the ability to see The JEDI when they learned Qui Gons new ability, and Understand through the Force who that young man Is.


Hold on a second. Luke never really finished his training- he was kind of a rush job. Even though Yoda tells him he will be a Jedi after he confronts Vader, there was no doubt a lot of things he could (and should) have learned from Yoda. I rather doubt that Luke is so adept at using the Force by the end of the film that he can immediately know who this weird kid is.

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If you are an JEDI And do not know anything about the JEDI Dying as he becomes a Sith thing (as I stated in the above paragraph) Then you are no JEDI Knight/ JEDI Master, Just a padawan learner. We all know Luke is at Least a JEDI Knight, so why even act like he would not know about all that stuff?


Things weren't so organized in the OT days so that Luke would get a rank of "padawan" or "master". All Yoda talks about is becoming a JEDI. Who's to say that that wouldn't be the equivalent of a padawan in the PT days? We don't know, but we know that Luke was a more desperate and less organized project. And after very little training from Ben in the orginal film, he's already hearing his voice. By TESB, he's seeing his ghost. These were not things that anyone taught him to see. And he should have seen the older, redeemed Vader at the end- otherwise, it implies that Vader was not saved from the dark side and the entire trilogy and saga become very pointless.

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Do not try to make STAR WARS Something that it is not.


Sir, Star Wars changes with every movie. With the PT, it changed for the worst. Fans have every right to treasure the OT as its own complete story. They are not fanboys- they're true Star Wars fans as well. You need to understand and respect that.
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#116415
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Why such hate on the OT DVD set?
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I think adding HC to ROTJ Is actually a wise thing to do. A jedi dies when s/he falls to the darkside, and Anakins body was pretty messed up after Obi-Wan gave him the fight of his life. I think that it makes better sense to have HC as Anakin in ROTJ.


However, not everyone agrees with that (including myself). To me, the whole point of ROTJ was that Vader finally realised that he was wrong (after over 20 years of his Sith life) and was redeemed by Luke Skywalker. That's the climax of the saga. To say that Anakin died in Ep. III and it's not possible for him to come back is a very depressing thought. It also doesn't make sense. I am thoroughly convinced that Vader saw the light in ROTJ. He asked Luke to lift his mask so that he could gaze upon him with his own eyes. That's symbolic- Vader's mask came off; therefore Anakin has turned back to the light side. It makes complete and total sense and there was absolutely no need to botch it.

You also have to wonder why, in the 2004 DVD's, Luke doesn't wonder who the teenager is that's standing next to Ben and Yoda. In the original version, he smiles (recognizing all of them). But if I were him, I would wonder who that kid was now.
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#115466
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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"Impressive. Most impressive."

VERY VERY VERY impressive! That's a wonderful cover, Klokwerk. I'm honored that you have put so much time into creating such a professional looking cover for my edit.

My only suggestion was the same as Commander Courage's (the long saber). Also, the number of minutes may need to be updated when I finalize the overall length. But the artwork and layout is wonderful, the logo is great, I love how you did the special feature section and how you put my opening crawl text at the bottom. If I didn't know better, I'd say it looks like a cover from a store-bought DVD (minus the annoying bar code).

Thank you so much, Klokwerk. And take your time on fixing the saber- no rush at all.

And thanks Obi-wonton, BTW.

The edit is still progressing. If anyone knows of anywhere you can get a bit of free filespace, I could post an early test of a movie clip with final stereo with new Anakin voice mixed in and synchronized, so that people could see.

Thanks!
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#114380
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114380/action/topic#114380
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What should I use to record the dialogue in? I don't really have many options to work with now, what are you using? (Trust me, regardless of what it is I'll be able to find it somewhere.)

I would use SoundForge, if you have it. Although you can record this sample however you like.

Lucky you. If I was doing my own, I wouldn't have to lobby so hard to get my wish-list into Trooperman's hands.


Ha ha! You know, it's a lot of fun, but it's also a huge amount of responsibility- trying to satisfy everyone to some extent (particularly you, because you have a lot of great detailed ideas but lack resources to do your own). I feel like I'm trying to improve the MagnoliaFan edit, restore the lost RebelScumb cut, reproduce the vision of MTHaslett, Commander Courage, and many many others, and editing it according to how I think it should be taking precedent over all this. It's a tall and complex order!

Based on your notes it would be really good.


Mine will be really good because it will utilize most if not all of his notes.

To my knowledge, these other fan edits have been done mostly in isolation. Occasionally someone will do an opening crawl for someone else, or something of that sort, but to my knowledge, MagnoliaFan or anyone else did not discuss the concepts with others before starting. I decided to go about it differently, and since nobody I know personally can really help me on this, I'll discuss it with you, from the original concept to the completion of the project. Call me crazy for chatting on an online forum instead of actually working on the thing every minute, but I believe that this really pays off. More than ever before, it's like a group meeting or writing session. That's what I love most about working on this; my edit will now be of such a high caliber because of all your input and advice.

Thanks, everyone.
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#114238
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Another Fan-Fic (My sincerest apologies to starkiller) - SW crossover
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114238/action/topic#114238
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I'm actually working on a non-Star Wars sci-fi script. Pretty dark so far. The bad guys have stolen a top-secret project called "Crionite" and modified it to work as a injected drug that contains computer chips and slowly tears the user's brain to shreds, replacing it with computer chips. Everyone starts using it and loves it- society goes to pot.

Cheerful stuff!
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#113286
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/113286/action/topic#113286
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I'm sorry for the delay, everyone. Work over play, as the saying goes!

MTHaslett- I love your solution and I’ll use it. I agreed with everything you just said. Thanks for clarifying and including that portion of revised script; I’d have had trouble following it otherwise. I totally agree that when edited in this fashion, one scene leads directly to the other. You made my job easy for this scene in the commentary; I'll just flip to this forum page and read your notes into the microphone!

It's a technique of letting the dialogue from the next scene play over the tail of the preceding scene -- to bring out the subtext.
And I love it.
Something interesting about RotS is that it freed me up a bit in how I’m editing this. Before, I felt almost confined to the cut-and-dry plot-driven style of the other movies. But with RotS- he broke all the rules and standards he had created! So I feel comfortable doing some things that I wouldn’t have considered before.

I hate to admit it (and I know I shouldn’t), but I’m fiddling with Episode III already. I did a test to change
Yoda’s: A prophesy that misread, could have been. That’s the ultimate in the awkward Yoda dialogue that’s so prevalent in the PT. I’ve changed it to: A prophesy that could have been misread, and it works much better. I also changed: I hope right, you are into: I hope you are right.

However, I’ll continue to work on Ep. II until its completion.

Twister:I was wondering what software do you recommend for audio and, video?
Jeten: What are you editing audio on?

If you have the money, go with Vegas or Adobe. Nero's kind of crummy for editing, Roxio's OK...I'm not particularly an expert on this particular topic.

But audio? Get:
1. Cakewalk Pyro
2. SoundForge
3. Sonar

They are such professional tools and make something as difficult as redubbing a SW movie easier than ever would have been possible.


I forgot, which scenes between Anakin and, Padme romance scenes are staying in?

-Anakin/Padme talk on the way out of ship.
-Small part of bedroom scene, runs immediately into...
-Dinner scene. Re-edited a bit to remove corny dialogue.
- Grassy picnic scene has been completely reworked. Starts with short montage of mountains while full-blown love theme plays (a la beginning of "Sound of Music". Fade to them rolling around on grass. Then, hard cut to heavily edited picnic scene. Boyfriend chat is removed. Scene ends with Anakin saying, "Well...if it works..." Clockwipe so as to reveal his smile at the last minute, similar to many of the Palpatine scenes.
-Heavily, radically edited version of the "first kiss" scene. First of all, it's now a moonlit scene; not daytime. Anakin confesses his love for Padme. Padme wants him, but her reaction is shown in...
-Clip of fireplace scene. Anakin's "Shakespeare" speech is cut out.


Are you going to put Dolby Digital 5.1 in???


Unfortunately not. Why? The very nature of the dubbing work I'm doing requires many times that I only use the rear channels, or only use the front channels: very rarely could I use the whole 5.1 package on the DVD. And with all the stereo-only sources I'm using (and my lack of experience with surround sound), I just won't be able to do it.

However, when dubbing, I will preserve all of the original recordings of myself, ChainsawAsh, etc. so that in the far future, if someone with a lot of free time wants to create a 5.1 mix for this, they'll be able to. I can mail them the raw recordings.

More likely than not, however, this stereo could turn out to be Pro-Logic encoded because I'm using a filtered version of the VHS pan-scan audio for the base. This could result in 4 channels if you have the decoder.

But I don't mind the absence of surround too much. I've always watched the OT in stereo and loved it. I know old director Robert Wise (director of Star Trek I) hated 5.1 but liked stereo. So just stereo will probably not be too bad considering the goal of the project, which is to improve it and to age it.

Thanks, guys! I really wish I could say more. The weekend's coming!

Trooperman