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Post: #121534
Topic: SW fonts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121534/action/topic#121534
Time: 7-Jul-2005 11:34 AM

Great- thanks. So most questions are answered:

So all of the theatrical versions of all films in the saga sported subtitles in ITC Franklin Gothic Demi Bold.

Actually, I believe that on disc 2 of AOTC (when the deleted scenes are being discussed), there are clips of the original version of AOTC- with the original subtitles. I'll have to check.

What font was used for the subtitles in later VHS and laserdisc releases of the SW trilogy?

AlternateGotNo3D and Impact come pretty close, but no exact match.

So I only have a few remaining questions:

1. What fonts were used for the ending credits of the SW movies? Were the classic trilogy end credit fonts different from the prequels?

2. What font was used for the original version of "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" (not prequels, because it was done incorrectly)

3. Do all subtitles in the saga fade in and fade out as they do in the prequels? How long is the fade-in and fade-out?

Thanks for your help!

Post: #121532
Topic: Help Wanted: a bitmap of the original green 'Lucasfilm Limited' logo?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121532/action/topic#121532
Time: 7-Jul-2005 11:27 AM

I used to have the logo image up for everyone to use but took it down because it used up alot of my minimal webspace. I wish I could find it, as it was created from scratch and looked perfect.

It would be great if you could find it, not just for me but for others who want to use the original logo in DVD quality.

Good luck!

Post: #121538
Topic: Leia Welding How to know which pressing you have?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121538/action/topic#121538
Time: 7-Jul-2005 6:06 AM

As a general rule, the earlier pressings are much more tightly packed than the later pressings, if you open the box.

Post: #121529
Topic: Who thinks that George Lucas will release the OOT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121529/action/topic#121529
Time: 7-Jul-2005 5:21 AM

Originally posted by: Obi-Wan Spicoli

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Actually, it was marketed as "The original Star Wars Trilogy on video ...One last time." So that point is not only ridiculous but irrelevent. Besides, if they do release it again it will be on DVD, not video.

Hold on- if you really want to nitpick, if they released an "SE" of SW (original version with the '85 mix, say) and the original versions of Empire and Jedi, then they could still release it without fear that they were breaking their word. It could be the last time the original TRILOGY was released on video, but not necessarily the sequels. Not to mention they lied to begin with because SW was revised in that set.

Post: #121406
Topic: Help Wanted: a bitmap of the original green 'Lucasfilm Limited' logo?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121406/action/topic#121406
Time: 6-Jul-2005 9:17 PM

You guys are great-thanks!

So the consensus is that the font does not actually exist, but that Franklin Gothic Demi Bold is a very close match and is a good starting point. When you say Franklin Gothic Demi Bold, do you mean Franklin Gothic Demi (on the bold setting), or is it a completely different font? Either way, can it be download from the net, do you think? (or must it be purchased?)

Here's my first stab at cleaning up the logo a bit:

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8773/lucasfilmlimitedfixeda8cb.png

Actually- I just had another thought: I believe that the original version of THX-1138 has the original green logo as well. Does anyone with the "Special Edition" DVD know if that was still retained? Perhaps that transfer would have the highest quality of all.

Post: #120999
Topic: Help Wanted: a bitmap of the original green 'Lucasfilm Limited' logo?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/120999/action/topic#120999
Time: 5-Jul-2005 3:39 PM

Oh...I just checked that as well and he implies that the font doesn't exist commercially and that he had to modify individual characters one at a time.

Post: #120989
Topic: Help Wanted: a bitmap of the original green 'Lucasfilm Limited' logo?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/120989/action/topic#120989
Time: 5-Jul-2005 3:15 PM — Edited 2-Jul-2020 8:44 PM

Hello! I was wondering if any of you know where to find a large bitmap of the original green Lucasfilm Limited logo at the start of all three films in the trilogy. Or, perhaps it could be grabbed from the beginning of “Caravan of Courage”. I ask because in my prequel edits, I intend to use the original logo. I would rather not just rip it from the OT because it is somewhat blurry and shakes around a bit. This way, I could have the logo in high-res and stable as well, for DVD quality.

Does anyone know of such an image?

Post: #120984
Topic: SW fonts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/120984/action/topic#120984
Time: 5-Jul-2005 3:09 PM

Hi! I was wondering if a more knowledgeable person could shed some light on the following:

1. What font was used for the subtitles in the theatrical prints of Episode I?
2. What font was used for the subtitles in the theatrical prints of Episode II?
3. What font was used for the subtitles in the original version of SW?
4. What font was used for the subtitles in the original version of ROTJ?
5. What font was used for the subtitles in later VHS and laserdisc releases of the SW trilogy?
6. What font was used for the DVD subtitles for any of the movies?
7. What fonts were used for the ending credits of the SW movies? Were the classic trilogy end credit fonts different from the prequels?
8. What font was used for the original green Lucasfilm logo at the beginning of each film in the trilogy?

Thanks ahead of time for enlightening me on this.

Post: #121000
Topic: I'm liking the prequels more and more....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121000/action/topic#121000
Time: 5-Jul-2005 9:42 AM

To all those who have said that John Williams is second to Howard Shore...

John Williams is second to nobody.

He is the film composer of our time.

Post: #120794
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/120794/action/topic#120794
Time: 4-Jul-2005 12:59 PM

Sorry for all this consecutive posting. So you know what direction I’m taking with this overall, the following is the map of scenes in SotDS from my personal notes, in the tentative order that they will appear in the final cut. It occurred to me that some of you may be able to give better overall advice if you had my game plan as to what order I’m doing things. So here it is:

MAP OF SCENES

1. Opening scroll/entrance into Coruscant
2. Interior shot of ship
3. Ships land
4. Ship explodes. Corde dies.
5. Palpatine and Council scene.
6. Palpatine and Amidala scene.
7. Anakin and Obi-Wan show up at Padme’s apartment. They have meeting.
8. Part of Anakin/Obi-Wan discussion (at night). Cut with interior shots of bedroom.
9. Shot of unknown person putting something in droid. Droid flies away.
10. Anakin and Obi-Wan talk about mother. Meanwhile droid lands and unleashes bugs. (cut together).
11. They sense danger. Obi-Wan jumps out window. Anakin says to stay here. “Are you all right?”
12. Chase scene- describe in more detail later
13. The ships crash. Anakin chases Zam and meets with Kenobi
14. Anakin/Kenobi talk and go into club. Obi-Wan catches assassin.
15. Outdoor scene with Zam. Zam is shot.
16. Jedi Council scene with Obi-Wan and Anakin. “Track down this bounty hunter.”
17. Anakin/Palpatine conversation. Fade to black.
18. Anakin’s dream sequence. Intercut with images of Tuskens and of Shmi. “Don’t look back.”
19. Padme hands the reigns to Jar-Jar
20. Padme and Anakin talk in the bedroom. “You’ve grown up.”
21. Padme and handmaiden cry and say goodbye.
22. “Don’t do anything without consulting either myself or the council.”
23. “I do hope he doesn’t do anything foolish”
24. Jedi Temple Analysis robot scene
25. Jedi Library/Obi-Wan talks with Yoda
26. Anakin and Padme dinner aboard ship
27. Mace and Obi-Wan talk. Obi-Wan leaves in ship
28. Anakin and Padme land at Naboo and talk as they walk out
29. Obi-Wan lands on Kamino and talks to Lama-Su
30. Bedroom scene directly followed by dinner and kitchen scene-Anakin and Padme
31. Lama-Su shows Obi-Wan the clones.
32. Grassy picnic scene
33. Obi-Wan and Jango talk in apartment.
34. Anakin and Padme moonlit scene-leads directly into fireside scene
35. Obi-Wan exits Kamino. Sends message.
36. Mace and Yoda receive message and talk.
37. Jango and Obi-Wan have fight. Obi-Wan throws homing thing on Jango’s ship as it exits.
38. Anakin and Padme. Anakin tells her he has to leave.
39. Jango and Obi-Wan have space dogfight above Geonosis
40. Anakin and Watto chat on Tatooine
41. Obi-Wan follows Jango and lands on Geonosis
42. Anakin and Padme meet C-3PO
43. Anakin and Padme meet Owen, Beru, and Clieg Lars
44. Anakin and Cliegg chat about Shmi’s fate at the dinner table
45. Anakin sulks outside. Hugs Padme and leaves to find mother.
46. Search montage as Anakin….searches.
47. Obi-Wan sneaks around. Overhears Nute and Dooku talking. Spies on them as they talk at table.
48. Anakin finds the tent-dark scene.
49. Shmi dies in Anakin’s arms.
50. Anakin goes bananas.
51. Yoda’s scene- “Skywalker is in pain.”
52. Anakin returns home and stares at everyone sullenly.
53. Anakin and Padme talk in the garage.
54. Obi-Wan searches for Anakin’s signal outside. Realizes where he is and transmits message.
55. Funeral scene
56. They listen to R2’s message and transmit it. We cut between this and Coruscant as both parties listen.
57. Message ends. Anakin and Padme disobey Mace and depart Tatooine to save Obi-Wan.
58. Coruscant scene- “We must stop them before they’re ready.” Jar-Jar is duped.
59. Dooku talks to his prisoner, Obi-Wan.
60. Jar-Jar gives Palpatine emergency powers. Yoda and Mace talk.
61. Anakin and Padme arrive at Geonosis.
62. Droids bicker briefly.
63. Anakin and Padme get out of ship and enter a passage.
64. Droids bicker some more. R2 leaves. “Have you no sense at all?”
65. Anakin slices up some Geonosians (unseen until this point).
66. Droid factory scene
67. Trial scene
68. “I love you.” First kiss scene.
69. Into the arena- the heroes are chained up.
70. Dooku and company arrive.
71. Escaping the monsters
72. No way out- surrounded by droids
73. Mace and the other Jedi show up. Big battle.
74. Jedi are finished. Dooku makes speech.
75. Yoda and the clones save the day- gunships take off and Dooku leaves
76. Boba Fett holds his father’s helmet
77. Yoda/Mace talk, and Anakin/Obi-Wan/Padme hit the fuel cells.
78. War room scene 1
79. More fighting
80. War room scene 2-Death Star is handed off to Dooku
81. Battle/Dooku escapes on speeder
82. Yoda and the clones take down a starship
83. Little clip of Obi-Wan and Anakin aboard ship/Little clip of battle-dramatic lighting
84. Dooku speeder chase
85. Padme falls overboard- Obi-Wan and Anakin argue
86. Yoda reacts to this (“Hmm.”). The droid army is in full retreat. “Bring me a ship.”
87. They chase Dooku into the hangar. He goes in and they run in after him.
88. Confrontation. Anakin rushes ahead and is force-pushed (or something) by Dooku. Lies on ground.
89. Padme is safe. Runs away with clone.
90. Obi-Wan gets creamed.
91. Anakin interferes, saving Obi-Wan. Anakin is then creamed.
92. Yoda enters. “Master Yoda.” Dooku starts throwing objects at Yoda.
93. “I’ve become more powerful than any Jedi.” Brings crane down on heroes and runs for his life.
94. Yoda lifts the crane. (climactic moment with appropriate music)
95. Dooku escapes. Padme shoots at him in vain. Then, she runs in and hugs Anakin.
96. Dooku and Sidious chat.
97. Mace, Obi-Wan, and Yoda chat.
98. The beginning of the end. Palpatine looks at his handiwork and tries to look upset.
99. Marriage
100. End credits (with original score)

Also, Twister- sorry I forgot to respond before. I’m using Vegas to color-correct the Anakin/Padme balcony scene. I’m adjusting brightness, contrast, and red/green/blue levels (taking midtones, highlights, and shadows into account). Also, the saturation is adjusted. This is rather painstaking because it is done on a shot by shot basis (because one setting doesn’t fit all the shots with such a radical change). I’ll need to spend a lot of time making certain that the shots are consistent and match each other in the final scene. Also (as Chaltab suggested), I need to watch out for the sky, which was too light in the rough cut.

Post: #120461
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/120461/action/topic#120461
Time: 2-Jul-2005 5:45 PM

Did some more recording today. Also, the new Jedi Analysis Robot dialogue is as follows:

The item you have placed in the sensor tray is a toxic saberdart.
As you can see on your screen, these projectiles are used by the cloners in the Kamino system. They are rarely found within the Republic (in place of, “Stand away from the sensor tray, please.”)

Any suggestions or improvements on dialogue are welcome.

Post: #120225
Topic: ROTS: What a shame...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/120225/action/topic#120225
Time: 1-Jul-2005 5:34 AM — Edited 22-Dec-2019 7:08 PM

Now, I have to come up with another signature because Lucas went in a completely unexpected direction for Ep. III. I can’t believe that Jar-Jar didn’t take over the galaxy. He set up the cleverness and evilness of the character perfectly in Episodes I and II.

Oh, well…

Post: #119951
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/119951/action/topic#119951
Time: 30-Jun-2005 6:09 PM

I have completed dubbing sessions for both the brief Anakin/Palpatine scene and also the Coruscant speeder chase today.

No dialogue changes in those two scenes (besides cut lines)

As if his sense of her presence pushed away the painful vision -- a sorely needed opportunity to show romantic sparks between these two.

Ah...I see. In that case, the original line definitely stays.

Post: #119660
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/119660/action/topic#119660
Time: 29-Jun-2005 7:23 PM

Well, what I did was: first, I recorded a lot of takes of the orginal line. Then, the other line occured to me and I lip synched that a dozen times as well. So the original lines were all recorded as well. I record originals, I record changes, and then I record alternates that seem appropriate at the time. Later, I can select original lines or alternate lines and have a variety of takes to choose from.

Come to think of it, that line may not be appropriate there. I was just thinking of the Vader unmasking scene in ROTJ for some reason, and I for some reason thought of an extremely rude exchange:

Anakin: Don’t go.
Padme: I don’t want to disturb you.
Anakin: You already have.

(Another one of Vader's lines from that scene). Then, I thought of the other line, and it may have seemed brilliant at the time because I was comparing it with the one above. You know what- I'll use the original line.

"Don't fix it if it ain't broke." I sometimes find myself (like Lucas) forgetting that. Actually, I'm just starting to appreciate how much restraint it takes to not go bananas during the editing process. Although I've written and edited more than one amateur film, doing this with Star Wars is giving me a different perspective on the whole thing.

Post: #119612
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/119612/action/topic#119612
Time: 29-Jun-2005 4:31 PM

Hello again- I have done the 1st dialogue recording session for this project and have completed the dubbing for the Anakin/Watto scene and the Padme/Anakin scene (when Anakin decides to leave Naboo to save his mother).

A couple minor changes in the latter that occurred to me as I recorded:

Original:
Anakin: Don’t go.
Padme: I don’t want to disturb you.
Anakin: Your presence is soothing.

Anakin: Don’t leave.
Padme: I don’t want to disturb you.
Anakin: Nothing can stop that now.

CUT is: Anakin: I saw her as clearly as I see you now.

Original: I have to help her.
Dubbed: I have to save her (camera is off Anakin’s lips anyhow).

But progress is being made.

Post: #119570
Topic: Pointless Observation - ROTS dialogue
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/119570/action/topic#119570
Time: 29-Jun-2005 8:21 AM — Edited 21-Dec-2019 9:15 AM

In Revenge of the Sith, during the first dream sequence, I’m almost positive that Padme cried, “Help me, Hayden” rather then “Anakin.”

Is it just me, or did anyone else think so?

Post: #119514
Topic: Pan & Scan O-OT Project (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/119514/action/topic#119514
Time: 29-Jun-2005 8:13 AM

ocpmovie: You're the only other person I've ever heard talk about this- utilizing pan-scan LD's and superimposing them over the widescreen image to give it more detail. I love the idea and have had it for a long time.

The only problem I was having (which has been mentioned) is the issue of having one half of the screen at a greater detail and resolution than the other. I would hope you wouldn't be able to detect a "box" around the pan-scan addition (different amounts of grain, different print, etc.). There's the risk it might not work out.

But I've had that idea for a long, long time. Good luck!

Post: #119252
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/119252/action/topic#119252
Time: 28-Jun-2005 2:21 PM

I respect your opinion and I'm certainly not losing any sleep over it.

Although it doesn't help in any way, I have no problem with your need to express yourself about this. As you said, I can handle it.

It would be different if you posted the same derrogatory comment a dozen times in a row.

Post: #118853
Topic: Attack on Droid Gunship
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118853/action/topic#118853
Time: 27-Jun-2005 9:56 AM

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you don't want to get sued by Lucas.

Who says I was serious?

Post: #118845
Topic: Attack on Droid Gunship
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118845/action/topic#118845
Time: 27-Jun-2005 9:37 AM

Would anyone mind posting a link for me as well, please? I'm very interested.

Post: #118521
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118521/action/topic#118521
Time: 26-Jun-2005 12:56 PM

Sorry for the delay; I was away for a few days.

-Klokwerk, it looks great. I’m still kind of flabbergasted that I have one of the best (if not the best) covers created for a fan edit, even better than the MagnoliaFan covers, and I haven’t even released it yet. I’m flattered!

-How is the edit coming? Very well, I am pleased to say. At this point, however, I am working solely on the sound mix (mainly removing Anakin and Lama-Su’s dialogue, but also sprucing up a bit when needed and adding a couple of other subtle sound effects). After that is done, I’ll synch it to the film and actually begin to work on the video cutting and contrast/color correction work, cropping, subtitles, and re-sequencing. As I have already planned each aspect of this in detail, it’s simply a matter of executing it at this point.

Future plans after Ep. II- I will do edits of both Ep. I and Ep. III. In my opinion, the best titles are “Balance of the Force” and “Revenge of the Sith.” My work with III will involve a major reworking of the action sequences at the beginning (cutting the juvenile silliness) and will involve dubbing Anakin once again as well as General Grievous. Also cut will be some of Palpatine’s antics (in the duel with Windu), Anakin’s “What have I done?”, the hair-combing scene, etc. Also changed (as has been with several other edits) will be Palpatine’s line about the midichlorians being able to create life.

Episode I, on the other hand, is an interesting story. I like Balance of the Force very much. Many of the things Kevin did with it are brilliant (particularly the podrace and the subtitled alien dialogue). Therefore, my edit of Episode I will be largely based on his- with a few key differences. First, I will not use his disc as a template, as the quality is not very good and I do not own a copy (only the XVID). I will therefore recreate his edit first, ripping directly from the official DVD, re-dubbing music that was present in his edit that I liked, and so on. Then, I will use the sound mix from an official German language DVD of Episode I and will mix these German lines in for the Gungans and the Nemoidians. Therefore there is no backwards dialogue and the language is not as instantly recognizable as French or Spanish, especially if muffled or distorted a bit. The subtitles will also be redone using a combination of the originals, Hal 9000’s, and ADigitalMan’s sets (and a couple ideas of my own). The ending sequence music will be replaced with part of the first movement of the Karelia suite by Sibelius- I have already completed the track and mixed it with the end credits music, and it is seamless. Even better transition than the original, in fact, because it actually builds up to the correct key in my version. There will other minor changes throughout.

I’d also like to get hold of the ADigitalMan edits at some point for some more ideas on these.

Post: #117314
Topic: Most Powerful Quote in all the Star Wars films.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/117314/action/topic#117314
Time: 21-Jun-2005 4:24 PM

All of Yoda's TESB dialogue was classic.

Post: #117210
Topic: CGI Yoda for TPM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/117210/action/topic#117210
Time: 21-Jun-2005 11:07 AM

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Let us not forget that the original version of TPM is already on DVD.

Well...almost. Besides the 3 minutes of added footage and the two shots from the theatrical version that were removed from the DVD.

Post: #117131
Topic: Most Powerful Quote in all the Star Wars films.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/117131/action/topic#117131
Time: 21-Jun-2005 6:45 AM

Which one?

Post: #117117
Topic: George Lucas says that the original versions of SW will probably be released on DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/117117/action/topic#117117
Time: 21-Jun-2005 6:15 AM

Obi-Wan Spicoli brought this up in another thread, but it's buried and did not get any attention. There's a recent interview with George Lucas. In it is the following exchange:

Daily Bruin: You've said the last time you would issue the original versions was on VHS several years ago. But with VHS potentially becoming obsolete one day, will you release them on DVD?

George Lucas: I don't know. I mean, when VHS becomes obsolete it will probably get released on DVD, I imagine. But I'm not going to spend the effort to restore them (to) what I consider to be the real film.

The article can be found here: Star Wars article

Lucas also admits to having tried on Anthony Daniel's C-3PO suit.

But what he's saying now is that he "imagines" that the original cuts will "probably" get released to DVD, just not restored. An interesting change in opinion.

Thoughts?