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#748884
Topic
Do the Star Wars movies contain evidence that Lucas makes it up as he goes?
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Here's another couple of snippets from a meeting between George Lucas, Alan Dean Foster and Charles Lippincott:

Lippincott: There's something Alan and I talked about. . . that I hadn't talked to you about too much. But the whole idea of the dark lords , Do you see them as many dark lords and he's only one still?

Lucas: Ah. . . the way we've got it now is that he's the only one left. But that's what you had, right?

Foster: OK. He's the only one left that we know about which means that we can bring in other lords if we want to.

Lucas: I think that's all right.

Lippincott: Yea. because the only reference you made was on page 13. "Fear followed the footsteps of all the dark lords."

Lucas: I don't think I really caught that.

Lippincott: third sentence from the top.

Lucas: oh. Well, why don't we just go through it page by page? Most of the stuff is so little. The only thing I've got is actual size. Because it's the first thing. It's this prologue. The only thing . . . I think we started off on the wrong foot. I was going to try to just write something up, but I didn't get to it. Yet. So maybe we can discuss it. Rather than do a explanation of the . . . it's the excerpt from the journal of the wills. Rather than saying the emperor was. . and all of that stuff. . . some of it was, to me, it's the logic of it was different from what I was going for. I noticed in the script, you sort of used just a little bit but it wasn't enough to make any difference. Cause I had it where what happened was like -- well, vaguely, like Nazi Germany. Or like Richard Nixon. It's like a REpublic and Senate and at one point, the president decided he would rather be called the emperor than the president and sort of passed. And as people began to realize it, alot of the senators began to be bought off and were intimidated and pretty soon there wasn't any Senate anymore. There was still a Senate, but it wasn't as strong and pretty soon the emperor was becoming a furer. And nobody could stop him. It was like when they had a minor revolution -- when he branded all of the J        as traitors. Had them eletrocuted to get rid of them, and he began to get more fascist, using cruder techniques. Pretty soon the republic was no longer a republic. And then he decided not to call it the republic anymore. He decided to call it the New Empire.

Lippincott: Do you want to talk about your sequel?

Lucas: Yes.

Foster: Just a question, really. I know this is supposed to be an independent book but by the same token I wanted to ask you if there was anything in particular you wanted to see.

Lucas: Yes. It's also fairly -- I wanted to hopefully influence some of the input to make it practical to make a sequel film.

Foster: I will try . . . I will be cannibalizing verbally everything you've built.

Lucas: It's also things I've learned just in the process of this. .. adventure. The big advantage is that it would be devised a way of having alot of the stuff take place more or less in ships or on something like a desert planet without building a wilderness. It's the city and sets that killed us. If we could do something that was much more of a monsters against men or them getting trapped in a desert type environment or having a lot of ship stuff...

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#748323
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Handman said:

towne32 said:

DominicCobb said:

I'm taking a class on American films of the 1970s, and was pleased to see this on the syllabus, under films we'll be studying from 1977:

 Recommend the Team Blu version ;)

Interesting that the Close Encounters version being used, however, is the special edition.

 What makes you sure it's the SE of Close Encounters?

 The runtime. The theatrical version is 135 minutes versus 132 for the special edition.

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#748063
Topic
Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Welp, it finally happened:

After telling us in December he hadn’t seen the much talked-about trailer for Abrams’ movie, Lucas added on Saturday he has since seen it, “I saw the trailer. I saw it in a theater because I don’t watch movies online.”

When asked if he liked it, he smiled. “Yeah, it was intriguing.”

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#747991
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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DuracellEnergizer said:

kremmit said:

Handman said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

^Reading this in Leonard Nimoy's voice is all sorts of funny.

 I'm pleased to hear that my comments have caused some form of enjoyment.  

Spock would be neither pleased nor displeased.

Yes, he would. He'd just conceal it*.

*Unless he's experiencing pon farr, of course. 

 *ahem*

Spock: I'm happy the affair is over. A most annoying emotional episode.

McCoy: Smack right in the old heart. Oh, I'm sorry. [pointing to his side] In your case, it would be about here.

Spock: The fact that my internal arrangement differs from yours, Doctor, pleases me no end.

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#747963
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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DrCrowTStarwars said:

 I don't know if I wanted to produce a show where a female lead has a hard time making it in a man's world I think I may hire a few woman to work as writers and producers on the show, but that is just me.  Maybe I am just a bad person and I am sexist and I don't see it but I just find it funny that this show that is preaching about how men keep woman down is being made by a city and a company that keeps woman down, but I guess I am the only one who sees it that way so I will drop the issue now.

 Er....you do know the program's showrunners, Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas, are women right?

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#747911
Topic
Strange Magic - Lucasfilm's New Upcoming Animated Film!
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At a press conference for the film Friday afternoon, Business Insider asked Lucas why he would turn down working on more "Star Wars" movies to focus on an animated feature about fairies.

Lucas shared that the movie is really about his three daughters, Amanda, Katie, and newborn Everest, whereas "Star Wars" was about his sons.

He also explained that when he began working on the film, he hadn't sold his company Lucasfilm yet to Disney. After purchasing the company from Lucas in Oct. 2012 for $4 billion, Disney put up the rest of the money to finish Lucas's passion project while Disney took over the reigns on "Star Wars."

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So George partially traded Star Wars to help fund this film. Okay...

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#747793
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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DrCrowTStarwars said:

Still I think there are a few writing problems, such as that one scene that feels like something from the beginning of a film about a serial killer. I still think that scene just make Cater look disturbed.

Having finally gotten to watch the pilot, I have no idea how you interpret things the way you do sometimes. Her friend is constantly being verbally abused and harassed by this frequent customer. Her friend can't do anything about it without being fired. So Carter, being the badass that she is, intimidates him to leave.

Oh and I saw the preview of Ant-Man and I now know why Edger Wright left.  It's because the studio decided to remove all personality and humor from a concept that only works if it has a sense of humor about it's self and turn it into a generic Batman clone.  This could have been a fun movie but now it's being played as completely dark melodrama without a hint of humor or lightness, as if this is the most serious thing ever put to film.  They have decided to go ultra dark and make their grimiest picture yet out of Ant-Man. I'm sorry but for me you can't go all dark and brooding when you are showing a man riding a fly, it just doesn't work and I bust out laughing.  It looks like a joyless slog that will just be repeating the beat of both The Dark Knight and Green lantern.  I think I will pass. This movie doesn't even look worth the dollar it would cost to rent it from redbox. Marvel could have had a good movie on their hands but they wanted to be like Batman and they killed it, too bad:(

Uh....what? Ant-Man is still clearly a comedy film. Hence Marvel's intense search for a comedy director to replace Wright. I will concede that the teaser failed at what it was attempting to do but it's still pretty clear what they were going for.

In that it's supposed to be a fake out. Where they build up all this brooding drama and then when it finally cuts to Paul Rudd it suddenly shifts gears and takes on a playful tone for the rest of it.

Instead, they decided to stick another montage in-between Rudd's two lines and it threw the whole thing out of whack.

Oh and that's an ant, not a fly. Hence the name. =P

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#747791
Topic
General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Ryan McAvoy said:

^^ I wonder how much my post from the Doctor Who thread last year inspired Tobar while working on that observation ;-)

 Hah. I'd completely forgotten about that post.

Hal 9000 said:

Fixed.

While that's how the final design was chosen. They still had to have a general concept from George to start from, ie. "orange desert with a ball shaped craft with legs."

NeverarGreat said:

There's so much that we assume influenced ol' George when making Star Wars, sometimes it seems like he'd have to be the most well read/watched person on the planet.

George knows his stuff when it comes to film and you can bet being the Sci-Fi fan that he is, he was a fan of classic Doctor Who, the same as Spielberg.

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#747436
Topic
Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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NeverarGreat said:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-creator/

Apparently George Lucas doesn't know the plot of TFA. I guess the outline he hashed out was more of a 'collection of vague ideas' which Abrams may have discarded.

 That's a very vague statement that people are building a mountain out of. From what he said it's entirely possible they're still using his story outline but he doesn't know how they've fleshed it out.

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#746768
Topic
The new Star Wars comics - a general discussion thread
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Welp, just read the first issue. It wasn't bad. The art is definitely a step down after Dark Horse but it was serviceable.

*SPOILERS*

I do take issue with Luke facing off with Vader right after Star Wars, using his old lightsaber against him no less. We'll see how that pans out next issue I guess. At least Vader didn't already know who Luke was like the last Dark Horse series.