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#226158
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Fox France confirms the French OOT release >NOT< to be anamorphic
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Originally posted by: Mike O
She proably said what the "official LFL response" said. Again, we must remember, that Lucas is still contemptuous of these versions. He wants to test the waters, and as we all know, he'll be surprised by the results. "Now we'll find out whether people wanted the original or the improved versions. It will all come out in the end." What is the end? The 30th anniversary? Everybody cross their fingers.


Heh, I envision a complicated, evil-mastermind setup with a timer ticking down to the 30th anniversary: one side of the contraption holds the theatrical releases while the other side holds the special editions and a great sword threatens to fall from above. As fans support one version more than the other, one is more in danger of being cut to pieces.
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#225981
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Fox France confirms the French OOT release >NOT< to be anamorphic
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Originally posted by: rennervision
I thought "Close the blast doors!" was in the original, original, original version of Star Wars, then it somehow got omitted in all the home video versions that followed. All of us who watched it on VHS for years got accustomed to this version. So when we saw the SE, we thought we were hearing it for the first time when, in actuality, the SE restored this original line back into the soundtrack.


How interesting. If that's how it went then I wonder why they bothered omitting that in the home release? Its not a bad line.
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#225979
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OT.com = TFN?
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Originally posted by: Bissrok
Yeah. And things the 500 page topic talking about how great Ian McDiarmid was in the movies.

And then there's thing like this... It's by a guy called 'darthsith19':


I was reading the best moment in AOTC thread today and I wondered to myself 'What is the worst moment in AOTC?'


I really can't think of one...


Holy shit.

EDIT: Just found this. Lost the page, so I forgot who wrote it:

5 out of 6 Movies had Bad Acting Skills. the Exception was AOTC.


I'm pretty sure none of these people have seen AOTC...


Good Lord . . . those can't be a serious posts. If they are then I'm made sick to read them. It actually makes me lose a little bit of hope for humanity.
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#225968
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Fox France confirms the French OOT release >NOT< to be anamorphic
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I knew Lucas would not have allowed the OT to be seen in the most up-to-date format. He's never that willing to change his mind. Maybe by the time the HD formats come out he'll reconsider the option of a quality release and thus believe it was his idea all along.


Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
I don't care what soundtrack they use as long as the lines "Close the blast doors!" and "You're lucky you don't taste very good." are in the movie.

My laserdisc is missing the former line. It makes me sad.


Isn't the former line a special edition addition? It makes the scene rather funny, but it's not really needed. The latter, "taste" line is in the original as I remember and thus should be on your Laserdisc.
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#225602
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Lucas may have caved, here is a link to Barnes & Noble early review of the O-OT DVD's:
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There weren't supposed to be Elves at Helm's Deep though. The movie version sucked in comparison to the book.

Seriously though, the old petition still does stand. Its important for new people to keep signing it too. That doesn't mean additional campaigns shouldn't be promoted alongside it. A SE-disk return from OT fans that actually send a clear message if enough of us take part. Those who believe that this release should be avoided at all costs then simply don't need to take part.
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#225084
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Watched ROTS on HBO, UGGGH!
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Since I saw AOTC, I thought they were missing out on some interesting plot elements in ROTS by not having Obi-Wan secretly in love with Padme (without Ben expressing his feelings for her, though. I don't think he would have done that to Anakin or to Padme). I think a kind of "love triangle" like that would have deepened the drama, especially when Ben essentially watched her die in ROTS (and watched the torment she went through with Anakin), and would have given Anakin another motive to want to fight Ben, if he sensed his Ben's feelings for Padme. They sort of barely hinted at something like that- but it really never came to fruition.


I remember thinking along the very same lines at the end of TPM. A love triangle between those three would have been awkward and very uncomfortable, but definitely cool.
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#224607
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Star Wars in High Definition: OT clips from "Science of Star Wars" in HD
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Hmm. The Mpeg-2 codec cannot achieve VC-1’s HD image quality unless you can have a faster transfer rate for it. Also, the compressed data size is pretty large even for the larger Blu-ray drives and thus VC-1 is superior to a nice degree.


Concerning future formats though, it seems to me that a major problem with optical media is the transfer rate limits. To achieve truly advanced image quality beyond the current 1080p TVs you'll need something with faster reading than even Blu-ray or HD-DVD I'd imagine. So whenever that finally comes along we should see DVD pass into obscurity.

To achieve 1080p at 60 fps (which would represent 24 fps, analog film best I'd imagine) using Blue-ray or HD-DVD and the VC-1 codec, you need at least a 4x drive (1x is at 36Mbps for both models). I don't believe there are any Blu-ray or HD-DVD drives that fast available on the market yet (hopefully the PS3 will be at least 4x but it will probably be a 2x drive). Even then, higher resolutions might be nice someday and that will probably require a new format altogether. Though, a lot of home users might never want higher resolutions and thus HDTV might be it for a very long time to come. I really don’t know.
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#224534
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Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT
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Originally posted by: Mielr
What address should we send them to? Should we send them to the Jim Ward address?


Hmm, good question. Jim Ward could be the one who would actually understand the message best, since it seems like he has more sympathy for the OT fans.

My accompanying message will be brief I think. "Thanks, but no thanks." Maybe a P.S. of, "Give the theatrical releases better treatment next time."
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#224497
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Star Wars in High Definition: OT clips from "Science of Star Wars" in HD
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Originally posted by: boris
I disagree, the Blu-Ray format goes way too far. The HD-DVD format goes too far. And what's up with those regions? Now we share "ours" with China and Russia? The courts will make region coding illegal like they did with DVD anyway, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I’m not sure where Australia/New-Zealand would be since the page I found doesn’t say. I’d assume you’d be in the Japan/Americas region. Even then, hopefully they’ll dump the region idea completely. I don’t know if the currently released Blu-ray discs are region free or not (so far the HD-DVD discs seem to have no region encoding).


Originally posted by: boris
Average consumers didn't and still don't understand region coding as it is. It's a failure. You're right though, d-vhs is dead in the water, but you just wait - holographic and/or flu recent data storage will overtake reflective data storage, and as HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are both reflective there's no way they're going to last for very long on the market. I don't like either format, I'm not excited about either format - they do not break any new ground, they're capacity is pitiful really, it's not a huge leap from DVD, it's just a baby-step and it won't last long mark my words.

A truly new and superior technology is definitely a possibility. Both HD-DVD and Blue-ray are kind of like minor upgrades for DVD. But, I’ve been holding off on buying DVD movies as I waited for a high definition format. Perhaps I will wait longer for something even better, but I’m hoping the new formats will last long enough that if I switch to one I won’t be totally screwed. If anything, I could just get some important movies in the HD format, enjoy myself, and then upgrade again when the time comes.


Originally posted by: Jobel
Sorry, I'm not buying your argument. It's based purely on a bit more capacity (which is pointless anyway). If you want capacity get a HDD. If you want to be forced to pay double the price just for a disc with a bit more space on it (again who needs it when consumers can just use a HDD) then be my guest. Enjoy bleeding your wallet dry for a format that wants to copyprotect to death.


Wow, you really are reaching far in your criticism of Blu-ray over HD-DVD. You’re incredibly repetitive regarding topics I have already answered in detail and you are thus increasingly unfounded in your opinions. Do you work for an HD-DVD company or something like that?

First, let me talk about storage: I don’t always want to purchase an HDD every time I might want to store data. A large capacity, DVD style format would be handy in general. Even then, you’re being irrational, since I’m not in the entertainment or electronics business and I’m not the one spending billions of dollars to force these formats on people. The most-adopted format will offer me the most CONVENIENCE and I prefer that format be more versatile. Is that so hard for you to understand? I’m not fucking asking you to “buy my argument” and go buy Blu-ray yourself. I’m asking you to see my point of view. If you are so unreasonable that you can’t do that, then please, simply remain silent.

As I said earlier, Blu-ray discs cost a bit more to produce, but they are not selling for more than HD-DVDs. As a consumer I won’t be “bleeding my wallet dry” in comparison. Where the heck does this “double the price” nonsense come from?

Of course, publishing companies won’t be making as much money with Blu-ray at first, but as more discs are printed and more machines are built, the discs will have very little cost difference with HD-DVD discs. As for the cost of players, they’ll go down in no time, just as HD-DVD players dropped in price after their initial release.

Also, HD-DVD is almost just as bad with the copy protection, so I don’t understand why you’re phrasing that element as if it offered some major critical contrast. You’re once again sounding “ludicrous” (using your chosen word).


Originally posted by: Jobel
I'm willing to give them a chance once they start putting out discs that offer image quality that is at least as good as what HD-DVD have put out, but until then, the ball is no longer in their court.


If the images produced by the Mpeg-2 codec are truly worse than those produced by VC-1, then please provide us with technical information as to why or how that is. At the very least, could you give us a link offering an actual scientific analysis proving your assertion? Until then your argument in this respect is pretty empty I’m afraid. Simply repeating yourself like a broken record does not help you prove anything.
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#224476
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The Official Lucasfilm Response
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Originally posted by: Harlock415
it just irks me to no end. Lucas has vast resources and people willing and able to do it for him. This whole huge cost line is a crock. THe restorers would consider it a labor of love.


Forget labor of love, a quality release of the original trilogy is guaranteed to make tons of money for Lucas. He's worried about whether or not there is a market for it? I'd bet that even over half of the people who liked the PT would probably like to own the orginals for the sake of novelty at least. And, even if it is merely a minority of Star Wars fans that want to see the originals, we are talking about Star Wars here! A minority in the Star Wars fanbase is freaking huge.

The only explanation for George Lucas' actions is that he wants to destroy history. Nothing else.
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#224393
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Star Wars in High Definition: OT clips from "Science of Star Wars" in HD
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Originally posted by: Jobel

There's still this bizarre idea that capacity = better for a movie playback platform. The plain and simple fact is that a VC1/AVC encoded movie will not need 50GB. Not even with extreme picture quality. Not even with the inclusion of lossless audio codecs.

Uhh, so, you believe the amount of data a disk can hold doesn’t matter? Is that why I have a two 200 GB hard drives on my computer?

There are many useful reasons to support a format that has higher storage capacity beyond simply watching a single movie. It’s ridiculous to simply toss aside such an advantage lightly. If we’re going to have some new format forced on us by electronics and entertainment companies, then I say we should get the one that is more versatile and will last longer in general.


Originally posted by: Jobel

At the end of the day, the Bluray discs have so far delivered disappointing image quality compared to HD-DVD. I think that speaks for itself.

According to what objective standard? Image resolution? Visual compression? Frame rate? If so, those elements are decided by the type of codec used and the way it is used, not the disc format.

Even then, I don’t quite understand your attacks on Mpeg-2. Maybe it is disappointing as you say, but I’m guessing your sources on that are not analytical. I could be wrong and Mpeg-2 could truly be as inferior to VC-1 as you claim and, if it is, I’m willing to be educated on those technical details.

Either way, Blu-ray players handle all of the same codecs that HD-DVD players can work with. It is the content providers that decide to use the Mpeg-2 codec when placing the actual data on the Blu-ray discs, not the discs or the players. At the very most, Blu-ray is not a mature technology yet and you’re expecting too much, too soon. It won’t be long at all before it uses other codecs if they truly offer so much more.


Originally posted by: Jobel

Bandwidth between the two is pretty much the same actually.


Did I say ‘bandwith’?

It is the transfer rate that is higher on a Blu-ray disc, and that is what I meant by “faster” reading and burning. The reason the transfer rate is higher is because of the way data is written on the disks. A BD does not need to spin as quickly to be read as fast. That means for the same speed drive, a BD will get you more information in the same amount of time. This is a nice step beyond DVD and HD-DVD.


Originally posted by: Jobel

Blu-Ray most certainly is not the only proper option. HD-DVD is just as 'proper.' That's the whole point, the formats are interchangeable. Being an advocate of either is ludicrous.


I’m advocating that one format is superior to the other. What is “proper” for individual people is another matter entirely. Just for me, personally, I want Blu-ray to be the dominant format since that will make my life easier if that’s the format I choose to go adopt (which is where I am leaning). Otherwise, I have no other fondness for either the Blu-ray or HD-DVD formats, if that’s what you were implying.

You on the other hand are attacking Blu-ray technology before it has even had a chance to mature and in unfair ways (codecs). So, who exactly here is the one being a “ludicrous” advocate?


Oh, and boris is right about the copy protection nonsense. But, I’m not personally afraid of it. It won’t be too long before it is bypassed and cracked. After that the entertainment industry should be too afraid to alienate its average customers by ever removing functionality from certain HD-DVD or Blu-ray players. Is called free market economics.

If entertainment companies insist upon making access to their products so difficult for average people, we will only be more inclined to go through bootleg and other “illegal” sources. In that case the movie industry will die out.

As for Blu-ray being worse than HD-DVD in terms of copy protection, that is potentially true, but they probably won’t implement every possible feature. Even if they did, its not that much worse compared to HD-DVD.

Otherwise, the “region codes” for Blu-ray seem to embrace simplicity more than DVD. There are only three:

A North America, South America, East Asia except for China
B Europe and Africa
C China, Russia and other countries
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#224270
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Great MArk Hamill Interview
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Originally posted by: Mielr

A lot of actors don't like to watch themselves on film, what I meant by "fan" is that he was always the one hanging out in the Star Wars FX dept., watching how the visual effects were coming along, collecting memoribilia, and speaking enthusiastically and passionately about the films in public. He's often spoken about how excited he was to be in the Star Wars movies, because of the fact that he was such a fan of adventure movies when he was a kid.


Ahh, that thinking works for me too.
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#224269
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Star Wars in High Definition: OT clips from "Science of Star Wars" in HD
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
Really?

Well, if you're asking about the line you quoted from me, then yes, laypeople who don't care about terms are calling Blu-Ray discs an HD-DVD. Sounds dumb, I know, but that does affect the general market's recognition of names which is what I was discussing. (And, if they aren’t calling it a ‘superior’ HD-DVD then they should in my opinion.)


Originally posted by: Scruffy
Over at AVS Forum, the general opinion on picture quality is almost entirely in favor of HD-DVD. Better codec and more disc capacity. (The BD spec allows for double-layer discs that will be larger than HD-DVDs, and advanced video codecs, but we haven't seen them yet.)
Originally posted by: Jobel
The consensus is that the HD-DVD discs look amazing and have used the VC-1 codec. But Bluray have opted to use that old MPEG2 codec and they just don't look as good. Bluray have been shooting their mouth off for years now about how much better they will be and they haven't delivered. Meanwhile HD-DVD has become the enthusiasts choice and people have even figured out how to author their own HD-DVD discs playable back on the machine.


First, Blu-Ray discs have far more capacity than HD-DVDs so there's no doubt which format is more advanced and deserving to replace DVD in that respect. A single layered HD-DVD holds 15 GBs while a single layed Blu-Ray holds 23-25 GBs. That's a huge difference (10 GBs). If you double the layers then you only double the capacity of each disc (30 GB vs 50 GB). (In addition, as a hybrid disc, a BD can fit an entire 8.5 GB DVD on its second layer while HD-DVD requires you to use the other side of the disk to achieve hybrid status. A single layer BD holds almost as much as a dual layered HD-DVD.)

Second, what do you both mean about VC-1 being a "better" codec than Mpeg-2? As far as I know, it is primarily more efficient, but it doesn't offer a better image quality in a practical sense. That means while using less space on a disc with VC-1, you can still have a comparable image with Mpeg-2. But, do we remember the larger capacity of BDs? It seems logical that even while using Mpeg-2, a BD can fit visual data at just as high a level of quality (or maybe even higher) without needing the extra compression of VC-1. Yet, even considering that likelihood, BD players also require both the VC-1 and Mpeg-4 codecs just as HD-DVD does. Just give the technology more time and you’ll VC-1 or Mpeg-4 content.

HD-DVD has had a large head start on BD. Simply because it is more mature in the marketplace does not, by any means, imply that it is the more advanced technology. To the contrary, BDs have a new and more advanced structure (compared with HD-DVDs which follow closely from CDs/DVDs). BD will be better in the long run. For one thing, BD will read and burn data faster than HD-DVD. Also, BD will have a protective coating that will make them far more durable and easier to handle than CDs, DVDs, or HD-DVDs.


Originally posted by: Scruffy
With a lower price (by hundreds of dollars) and better performance, HD-DVD has a much better demonstrated price/performance ratio.

Originally posted by: Jobel
HD-DVD hardware is half the price of Bluray hardware too. Consumers will vote with their wallets here.


Again, Blu-Ray just came onto the market in time for all that World-Soccer nonsense. The cost of BD players will go down quickly enough as production increases and the demand from people who don't mind burning cash starts to drop a bit.

As for the actual discs, they cost more to produce, but they sell for the same retail price.

In general, the HD market needs more time and I wish that each format had waited a few years. They're better than DVD of course, but HD tvs won't be mainstream for a long while and I'd personally rather have a format that makes BD and HD-DVD look like crap.
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#224253
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Great MArk Hamill Interview
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Originally posted by: Mielr
I've always loved Mark Hamill, aside from the fact that he's a great family man, he was always the one member of the SW cast who seemed to be a fan of the films, and not just an actor in them. He never tried to distance himself from the films, like Ford and Fisher did.


Hmm, I agree that he's never tried to distance himself, which is cool, but, as for being a fan in general, I saw an interview (on the Conan O'Brian show) where Hamill stated that he doesn't like watching himself act and never fully viewed any of the Star Wars films after their first premiere until the special editions were released in theaters 20 years later. I found that interesting.