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#231335
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Finally Hocked the SE
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231335/action/topic#231335
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That's an interesting step. Perhaps I'll go there myself someday. I know I don't really bother watching the SEs or the PT. Though, the 1997 SE of Jedi had the better ending to the series and I might sometimes watch that VHS for the heck of it. Call me crazy but the Ewok song is kind of silly.

I'm sure Lucas will be proven to be a liar. A proper treatment for the theatrical releases can't be that far off. The HD-era would seem to require it if George Lucas does not want to be hated by everyone.
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#231333
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Is the lack of quality in art a kind of art form?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231333/action/topic#231333
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Hmm, I've never seen LA Confidential. It aways looked like it would be one of those slow or uninteresting movies. Though I can't imagine it's bad, considering how many people liked it. Perhaps I'll give it a viewing sometime.

Titanic on the other hand isn't that great in my mind. It's only good for about one or two viewings. Otherwise, I do love that part where a guy is falling off the back of the ship and then hits the propeller which then causes him to ricochet, spinning, into the water. I laugh every time.


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#231062
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Is the lack of quality in art a kind of art form?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231062/action/topic#231062
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I've noticed this a bit too much lately and George Lucas is perhaps the extreme example of it in my mind right now. There's a current attitude in the entertainment industry which believes that obvious special effects, crappy dialogue, or unrealistic drama and acting is a good thing. It supposedly mimics some age-old "serial" or represents some unfathomable "vision" which some creators actually have the stupidity to be proud of. These “artists” believe that low quality art is actually a kind of art in and of itself. Personally it all makes me sick. It gives people an excuse to be lazy and intentionally waste the time of other people with obvious trash.

If there were some films or other forms of entertainment which George Lucas enjoyed as a child, then he should have worked to capture those same elements in a high-quality way in his new films. His fond memories do not give him any excuse to purposely aim for the same mistakes and crap he witnessed as a child. An artist should always try for the highest level of excellence possible at all times. Sure, nobody can make something perfect, but that doesn't mean we can't at least care enough about what we're making to aim for real truths and feelings.

The same thing goes for a lot of the newer special effects out there. People are purposely making them bad or noticeable for the sake of being bad or noticeable and it makes no sense to me at all. The special effects in the original Star Wars or Empire Strikes back, while not technically perfect, were subtle and actually heightened the dramatic impact of the films' stories. In the most current films though, we see something very different from that. At times it seems like nothing is precisely executed anymore; everything is wildly overdone and sloppy instead.

Perhaps the worst part of this attitude is when it lifts up children as an excuse to make this crap, as if children can only enjoy something of low quality. It's insulting to any adult who enjoys the original Star Wars or something else (like Harry Potter). I mean, sure, everyone knows that children do not have the same level of sensibilities when compared with adults, and thus they can often be seen enjoying junk that someone with more complicated tastes would easily reject, but this enjoyment never, in any way, negates the possibility of higher quality content. In other words, children are good at grasping the simple things with wonder and awe, and that's great, but at the same time there can be complexities reinforcing that simplicity which adults can also enjoy. Incompetence or sloppy greed should not be allowed to hide behind children, ever.

People need to stop rewarding artists who turn the nature of art completely upside down. Don't pay good money to watch INTENTIONAL crap simply because it has the origin of Darth Vader in it. Art should always seek the highest ways to impact those who experience it in my view. (The only exception I have to this rule is perhaps with films that use cheese or inferior effects to achieve a humorous effect (either intentionally or unintentionally). A good laugh is never a waste of time after all.)
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#231032
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Lucas' real reasons for changing the OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231032/action/topic#231032
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What Star Wars fan before 1997 didn't consider the thought of a special edition with some improved graphics here and there? It was a neat idea back then; a fun experiment and alternate version. George Lucas just did a crappy job of it and put in way too many needless changes.

Also, nobody with a sane mind would have ever thought the original trilogy would actually be erased by its creator in favor of a special edition. It's so irrational.
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#230378
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Anyone got the original 'theatrical' release of TPM or AOTC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230378/action/topic#230378
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Yeah, I did say it didn't bother me as much. I mean, it's a change, so I have to hate it on principle. I still felt it was a bit unnecessary, though, as Qui-Gon's line gave the scene much more closure. Honestly, if I was the director or editor, I'd have a hard time cutting it, but I think, overall, it didn't really need to be there and did more harm than good.


That's quite possible. In general its good to do more with less. Superman Returns could have definitely used less scenes (and cgi). A lot of movies today could. Why does every film have to approach three freakin' hours?
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#230276
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Anyone got the original 'theatrical' release of TPM or AOTC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230276/action/topic#230276
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I don't know. I'd say that anything that is added into a movie that makes the plot simply come to a screeching halt for it is something that negatively effects the pacing. At least, that's how I see it. I've only edited together short scenes for class, though, and I was never allowed to take anything out. But the scenes they edited back in were completely unnecessary. As if we really need to see Anakin and Jar-Jar fly to their next destination. As if we really need to know who any other racer besides Sebulba is. Take the movie Cars, for example. They didn't waste time giving a big introductory sequence of every car in the race. They only showed the three that mattered that mattered to the plot.


Hmm, perhaps the distinction you're looking at is purpose. In art, every aspect of a piece is supposed to center around the conceptual and/or emotional focus, blending paradoxical elements such as complexity with simplicity. That focus is what gives every element a purpose in relation to every other element.

Most of those additions (and a number of the scenes that weren't even added) serve no purpose in relation to anything else; they simply hurt the story or some other artistic focus. The scene where they introduce the other racers has no point whatsoever. There's no reason for it. Same thing goes for the endless flyby sequences in the movies. Such things cause people to yawn and lose track of what's going on.

Otherwise, I thought the scene where Anakin was unsure of where to go and then seeing transport taking off from the landing platform held my interest pretty well.
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#230134
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/230134/action/topic#230134
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Originally posted by: THX
On the "issue" of the "interlacing artifacts", it is possible to create this effect simply by not setting up your DVD player correctly for its display. I sincerely doubt that the DVDs will contain constant visible "combing."


Still, if the video source is interlaced, would that not result in less image data being preserved on the DVD master than with a progressive source?
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#229970
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We're Still Immature Whiners to MSNBC
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229970/action/topic#229970
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Who thinks some fans have done everything in their power to suck the enjoyment out of something that was once fun.


You have "fun" while watching complete crap? You must have a really depressing life. Fun is normally a reaction to experiences of a playful or lighthearted nature. The AotC and RotS are anything but fun.

Also, I find the original star wars movies to be a lot of fun and I simply want George to release them in a proper way on DVD. Then I can enjoy the "fun" in that way.


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#229965
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Confession: My favorite movie is ROTS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229965/action/topic#229965
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Originally posted by: Ingo Sucks
My new favorite movie of all time is........Star Wars Episode III.

Reasons for this:
My favorite game of all time is Street Fighter Alpha 3. Originally, I considered Street Fighter II and Episode IV my favorites, but I had too much of a hard time with SFII, and besides, its graphics look dated. So I went with Alpha 3, because it has all the characters from SFII and has better graphics. The same goes with Episode III. It has just about all the necessary Star Wars characters, and it has better special effects.


Well, ignoring your argument which completely turns the science of aesthetics upside-down, I disagree about the graphics in Episode III. They totally suck.

Otherwise, I do like the graphics in Street Fighter Alpha 3 (which are of a beautiful, hand-drawn nature) and I agree that the game is fun.
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#229962
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Star Wars 3-D?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229962/action/topic#229962
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
It'll be like the Yazzum's (or whatever the hell he's called) drool is falling right on us as he screams!


Heh. This 3D nonsense is so stupid. Until they can produce real depth perception this is all a crappy gimmick. Who'd want to have stupid glasses flashing against their eyes?
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#229765
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229765/action/topic#229765
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
Absolutely. I was elaborating a possible backstory for the OOT, some considered previously, some worked out as I went. As I've said in another thread, I don't think anybody apart from Luca$h has a problem with the fact that the films are showing episodes from a BIG story. The opening crawls explain broadly where we're at and the rest you can pick up, or draw your own conclusions from. So I think having episode 1 open with Obi-Wan commanding forces fighting the Empire in a battle and discovering Anakin through his amazing Jedi reflexes as a fighter pilot would be a good one. After all, the purpose of the SW saga is not, in fact, to tell the story of the galaxy but the stories of Anakin and his friends and family. It is through them that we see what's happening to the galaxy and their stories often comment upon, reflect or directly influence the larger events around them.


I agree completely. That's probably the main problem I have with ROTS. It has so much convoluted crap destroying any sense of story or drama. At any rate, your prequel ideas are very good as well. It would almost be fun to get a bunch of us together and collaborate on a fully-fledge, new version of the PT storyline.
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#229764
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ComicCon - to highlight our cause?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229764/action/topic#229764
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
I got close to the source at Celebration 3 though....was going to confront Lucas face to face in the Q&A they had there, but they closed it down when I was only two people away.....AND......they were screening questions.


Just make up a question that sounds intellectual (but is actually shallow) and will make Lucasfilm feel special (but not in an obvious way) and then pretend that will be your question. There's a good chance they'd let you as it and then when you get to the mike, drop your bombshell. You don't have to be offensive or criticize the SEs, but just respectfully state that, at the very least, most fans would like to have the option to own a high-quality release of not only the SEs but the theatrical versions as well.
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#229762
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229762/action/topic#229762
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Originally posted by: Mike O
I want to think that this release is a sign of things to come and that Lucas is finally softening, what with the simple fact that it is being released and that Lucas really seemed to be aiming to please with the PG-13 ROTS. But with him, I don't know what to think anymore. He doesn't care what anyone thinks, and I don't know if anyone can change his mind. But I hope that I am wrong.


Perhaps George Lucas' greatest feature is his insecurity. On the one hand it causes him to seek approval from others and be a rather private person. On the other hand it causes him to be very stubborn and controlling since he doesn't like facing the fact that he might make mistakes. It's sad since he seems like an okay guy otherwise.