TheHutt

I doubt you can split a film with frame precision in TSmuxer.

PS: whoever already sent me the PM for Version 1.0 - the old link still works.

4K Mono version 1.1a is released and won't be touched again.

I will still finish synching it for Mondo though.

Version 1.1a is now finally out.

I fixed some of the more disturbing issues with dropped frames. However, if they appeared too minor or wherever I felt that fixing would actually make things worse (by changing vocal characteristics of the music, creating artifacts etc.), I left them in their original state.

However, the most important bug has been fixed - a wrong sound sample (spoon noise) during a scene with Stevens' - it was missing in the 1993 LD. I used Italian mono now to fill it.

I'll start answering PMs when version 1.1 is finished. :)

zeropc said:

thehutt, will you continue to create an english mono for the mondo release as well?

Of course. In fact, I have already advanced so far as till the end of the torture scene.

Version 1.1 of the mono track is out.

Never mind, still needs improvement.

Version 1.1 is finished! The old download source still works.

Update: alas, still not finished, as kk650 keeps finding new glitches. I will wait till he's done.

Some clarification at this point. The glitches indicated by kk650 are mostly inherent in the original mono sound and not the result of its synching to the 4K edition. Some of them are actually still present in the mono downmix of the 4K. I am looking into the most severe ones in order to fix them, but some is just not possible (at least for me) without introducing further artefacts.

MattMahdi said:

Definitely people interested.

Next to a red-headed fish, Belle is my favorite Disney Princess. Enough so that I enjoy "The Enchanted Christmas".

 Since when is Belle actually a princess? :)

Little status update:

- The sound drop is actually on the original PCM track. Fixed.

- The wrong spoon noise (bit that was cut out of the 1993 LD): Fixed.

The version 1.1 will be released tomorrow or Sunday the latest.

Can I ask is the ending of the Mondo version different to the US releases?

Yes, the Mondo ends earlier.

Also, the last of Tuco will not sync to English language, see here why.

Of course. I have edited the first post.

I also noticed during the dining scene with Stevens that the sound of the wooden spoon hitting the serving bowl is out-of-sync and drops out briefly when AE releases the spoon.

So, I have checked this place. Actually, the sound of the extended edition (from where I took the filling sounds) was just wrong at this location! There you have sounds of the spoon which are just not there and cannot be there.

The Italian mono track which I checked out also, had the proper ambient sounds of cockerel and chewing, but no spoon handling. So I suppose I will have used the Italian track after all for version 1.1! :)

As for the dropped sound bit at 2:32:50 - this has also occured on the re-rendered version from Vegas. So I am rendering it a different way now.

I also noticed during the dining scene with Stevens that the sound of the wooden spoon hitting the serving bowl is out-of-sync and drops out briefly when AE releases the spoon.

I'll look into that. Actually, at this spot there is material filled in from the 1998 DVD.

The "3 bandidos" scene was missing from the 1998 release as well, see here, so it is filled with the Extended Edition material.

I'll also be releasing a less colourful version with the grotto scene included

Please do that. That's the one I am waiting for.

Thanks to kk650, a small audio glitch (audio drops for a split second at 02:32:50) was discovered in the mono track. This glitch must have occured during rendering from Vegas, as this was okay in the project itself (and no editing took place at this timecode). Therefore, I suggest I'll re-render and re-encode it, so whoever is disturbed by it can re-download it.

No, the Cheyenne theme does not reappear at all.

I have found and old VHS edition by CIC and ordered it. I hope the sound quality would be adequate enough.

Update:

I found it! The original full-length credits sequence from a German theatrical version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Mu1OXkyt1Kw#t=308

The windmill was part of the Harmonica waking up scene.

I have seen the original full-length credits (it was kept in the German theatrical version of the film). However, I don't have a link to it anymore. I will ask around if it can be found.

Well... I suppose the lossless Italian track would be actually needed for the torture scene. So okay, please upload it. :)

ilovewaterslides said:

They kept the English title card for the French home video releases.

Now that's interesting! They kept the English TBC card, but translated the rest of the credits ("Avec" instead of "With").

And yes, that looks like film to me.

The shot with the chewing of the cigar was not present both in the 1998 DVD and in the 1993 LD.

The shot with extra waiting for the cannon to fire seems to actually be in the 1993 LD, as I didn't have to extra sync this scene.

The shot of Blondie turning longer around to Tuco (as he rotates his spur) was neither in the 1993 LD nor in the 1998 DVD.

I wouldn't go so far as to judge which shot belongs and which does not. I am also puzzled as to why Leone removed the "Sorry Tuco" bit from the Italian version and kept it in the international one (as it still seems present in the neg).

zeropc said:

how about a v3?

i might be able to provide the lossless mono from the italian bd. can say more tomorrow :)

Now what would be the purpose of that? :)

 As for synching my mono track to Mondo - I'd rather do it myself.

kk650 said:

It seems that you and TheHutt are the experts on this film, would either of you be interested in working with me to create a regraded US theatrical cut and US extended cut with mono tracks to make everybody currently angry about the official release having the strong blanket yellow tint and lacking mono with original sound effects happy again?

Well, basically, about the cuts you have to perform to create a US Theatrical Cut, here is a complete analysis:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1622

However, you'd have to bear some points in mind:

- the time indexes specified in this comparison are PAL times (25fps), so you'd have to convert them to 23.976fps. Also, mind the difference of the logo lengths.

- The Cut 1 is an oversight during DVD production and should not be there (ie the scene does not need to be cut). This scene was complete in the 1993 LD / 1998 LD.

- The end of Tuco pistol buying scene is faded to black prior to the Grotto scene in the Extended Edition. The US Theatrical version does not have this fade and cuts directly to the soldiers riding through town. No idea how to fix this one.

- The at the end of cut 10 there is some music which is carried over to the next shot in the Extended Edition. In the Theatrical, there is no music at the beginning of the same shot.

Well, in Germany it was released as "Director's Cut" theatrically. Though it still omitted one 12-second scene.