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#160352
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Found this quote from Lucas about changing the Original SW
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160352/action/topic#160352
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I can't argue with anything you just typed, and agree with your assessment. My problem is that fans getting annoyed translates into some really WEIRD and typically baseless assumptions being made--and then simply accepted as fact. It's one thing to be annoyed. but putting together a multi-part contradictory argument/indictment against the man based on not much fact or anything other than stereotype...I dont' see that as helping assuage the annoyment any, just muddy it up.
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#160316
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Found this quote from Lucas about changing the Original SW
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160316/action/topic#160316
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So, basically, this is the "project and suppose and mindread a man you never met" thread part II, right?

Again, Jenny--don't act like Chew and Marcia just swooped in and took the film out of Lucas' hands and then gave it back to him all giftwrapped with a bow on top. Lucas was in those cutting rooms right along with them, helping and directing as they were cutting, approving and disapproving when needed. And it's not as if he's trying to take away any credit. They got their oscars, they got their points, they got their credits. The guy was the FIRST director in the HISTORY of filmmaking to distribute his back-end percentage points to the crew. EVER. People never bring that part of it up. They don't bring up that he would finance people's films simply because they came over to his house and helped him make spaghetti on a summer night. because then it gets in the way of the weird half-ass psychoanalysis that belongs to a hack villain in a Soap Opera more than it actually does to George Lucas, based on anything we ACTUALLY KNOW.

The logical fallacy at the heart of all these types of threads is the one that says "When he changes something, he's trying to deny anyone else any credit."

one isn't the other. If I paint my computer desk a different color, am I trying to deny Belkin the credit for manufacturing it? That's silly. And that's not even a good analogy--if I add in another shelf or two and use roundtop screws instead of flatheads--am I trying to shut Belkin out of the picture? Because he drops in a CGI shot into the movie doesn't mean he's NOT saying it's a collaborative effort. That's a silly leap in logic to make. And everyone here is Carl Lewis style leaping right along with it. Where, in any of these interviews that we're bringing up, does he ever say "Good, now that I've put Red Leader's line about Anakin back in--Richard Chew and my bitch wife are idiots, and it was all me MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA" When has any of this REALLY been about him trying to make it look like his movies AREN'T collaborative efforts? How does that even enter in without fan hysterics getting overblown on the internet? Those names still aren't on the credits? Those people still aren't getting interviewed for documentaries? Those people having their checks taken away? is LFL sending repo-men into their house every time a new shot is dropped in an OT film?

C'mon. Look at the silliness here. He should have turned down any and all nominations? I'm sure Marcia and Richard and Williams and Dykstra would have appreciated his saying "No--they can't be recognized by their peers because it'd be the right thing to do" I mean--that's sort of a contradiction, isn't it? either he's trying to diminish their contributions, or he should strip them of their recognition? What kind of deal is that? That makes absolutely no sense. The movies are classics that made a bunch of money, but he's an idiot because they're full of plotholes? If the plotholes didn't bother you when they were classics, why would they bother you any extra now? If it's about the story and the feeling, why is the first major gripe on the list about MATTE LINES? If you're going to use the billions of dollars the movies have made (without recognizing that the largest chunk of that change comes from the MERCHANDISING) as proof of how successful and wonderful the movie is, how can you then in the next breath call him moneygrubbing for making billions of dollars? Is it a reward or is it theft? If he's lost touch with the Star Wars base then why are the movies STILL making billions? Now--be careful. It's sorta hard to say money isn't a good indicator of quality when it's been used by the people PROPOSING this argument as EXACTLY THAT.

How can an opinion so ultimately contradictory, scattershot and diffuse try to correctly pin down the thought process of a guy who apparently doesn't even really exist outside of fan-fiction and paraphrased biography? Because this guy everyone's describing--sure as hell doesn't really sound like George Lucas. But then again, I don't know how many of you have actually read any of the books on the man, the books on his colleagues, the books on that period in film, watched the documentaries or read the interviews with all those involved to actually come close to maybe understanding the guy. It seems a lot of you are content to rely on supposition and stereotype and a few links to interviews that simply already back up what you've decided to believe BASED on those stereotypes. If you've put in the work to really find out what went down outside of a few google searches, and you still think that, hey. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, perception determines reality and other hack dialog

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#159433
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phantom menace first thoughts
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159433/action/topic#159433
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Originally posted by: battlewars
gaffer tape you aged from 13 to 19 watching the prequels, just imagine if they had been good you couldve really celebrated that time in your life even more. what a waste of time lucas made us all go on


Just to add a little perspective here: The movies may not be appreciated by many here (and I have problems with TPM and AOTC just like a lot of you) but if the years between 13 and 19 seriously hinged on whether 3 movies were good or not, chances are there wasn't going to be that much celebrating in your life in the first place Lucas didn't MAKE you slave your adolescence to the prequel trilogy. and I'm sure Gaffer managed to enjoy life whether or not there were three good star wars movies as he matured into adulthood.

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#159387
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Info: The Frighteners - Signature Collection laserdisc preservation thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159387/action/topic#159387
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It's all there. go to dvd-basen.dk and scroll the reviews there, or check out the thread in the software section of hometheaterforum.com

Nothing is missing. There's at least 4 or 5 different reviews, and 3 or 4 different testimonials at HTF that stress that. THE ONLY difference is that the storyboards section of the supplementals has been pulled out of the doc and put alongside the movie itself on side a. But nothing has been lost, or deleted. It's all there.
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#159286
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Do you think Lucas really knows there is demand for the O-OT on DVD?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159286/action/topic#159286
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"but at least you know I'm calling you on it."

Heaven forbid anyone be allowed to just vent on Lucas on these boards.


LOL, you want in on this dress action?

Heaven forbid anyone venting be questioned because so often, people's venting on this board is suppressed and quashed due to all the lucas apologists crawling all over this board. It's like you're lucky to vent freely without some ass breathing down your neck about it!! Why the other day I went through about 20 posts calling Lucas a dead-dog rapist and on the 21st someone said I went overboard!!! What the hell is that? After ONLY 20 posts? That's CRAZY!! What kind of safe haven for free opinion IS this place?!?!?!



X1's doesn't mind it, and I don't mind it when he prods me right back. It's all gravy, man. I know you're hanging overhead grinning like the top half of a guillotine to drop on my head every five minutes. It's okay.

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#159195
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Why the saga has suffered because ESB was so good (IMO)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159195/action/topic#159195
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Yeah, but I don't need the movies I like to be "King of the World" Because I don't really get anything extra out of that. I dont' get a certificate or anything to frame on my wall that says "you're a fan of the "King of all Movies!" or anything. There's really nothing there. It's an uncomfortable melding of Sports and Film fandom that I don't like all that much. Sports, I can understand rooting for a teams success--that's sort of the point. The point of movies ISN'T that, although media now has turned Box Office Grosses into the modern day horseraces.

And I think ROTS got those complaints mostly because they're cliche complaints at this point. They're so knee jerk in some cases that you can tell they were sorta just plugged in. It's less a comment on the movie and more a comment on the movie industry themselves. Everyone LOVES to wrap themselves in the "purity" and "nostalgia" flags, because who wants to argue against that, yunno?

But that's besides the point. The great movies are great on their own, and sequels and remakes don't tarnish that in any way unless you let them. And if other people let it, so what. That's their problem. I have more movies to watch and enjoy without worrying if some schmo in Sheboygan is having a conniption that the sequel to "Alien" isn't as good as the first one. I find I enjoy films a lot more if I divorce them from the competitive horserace aspect that causes people to act as if they're rooting for a pro-wrestler instead of appreciating a good film.
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#159189
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If the Prequels had been made first would they have succeeded?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159189/action/topic#159189
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I'm thinking if Lucas had gone with "Episode I" in 75/76, you WOULD have seen "Darth Maul" or whatever he would have been named then, killing Anakin's father. If I remember, that was one of the story elements in the treatment and the rough draft--our hero, as a teenager, watches his father get cut down by a sith.

Gotta remember, if he'd gone with TPM, it wouldn't be the same as the TPM we got in 99. There'd be some differences, because he didn't already have 3 films worth of story to call back to. Details would have changed, like the above.
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#159188
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Why the saga has suffered because ESB was so good (IMO)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159188/action/topic#159188
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That's the thing--even if I DIDN'T like The Prequels, I wouldn't consider them having "brought down" the first three (or two, really) in the same way I don't consider remakes "bringing down" original versions of movies. They're separate entities. I don't consider "Batman and Robin" to have brought down "Batman" or "Superman IV" to have brought down "Superman," or "Alien Resurrection" to have brought down "Alien." Not at all. It's a lot more effort to actually CONNECT those movies and make them fit into each other, if I don't like one of them, than it is to just write the crappy movie off.

There's no tainting or pungent aroma listing around the ones I like because of the ones I don't like. I won't be watching a scene and suddenly go "Oh wow, this is shit, because 10 years later some dude made another movie about some of the same stuff." that doesn't make any sense, to me.
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#159186
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Do you think Lucas really knows there is demand for the O-OT on DVD?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159186/action/topic#159186
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And Bizzle can sprout all he wants about how I'm making all these assumptions...Lucas is crazier than a rat in a fucked up shithouse!!!


LOL, you still don't know what you're talking about, but at least you know I'm calling you on it. That's somehow comforting. Next dance I'll lead

And yeah, Lucas Marketing (Jim Ward, himself, on a couple occasions, I believe) has been trying to get the originals released for awhile now.