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#71845
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71845/action/topic#71845
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Maybe we should go remove all the "damns" and "hells" littered all over Ep II, IV, and V too... God forbid they wander into PG terrritory.

Damn's and hell's are fine. Shit's are not. And besides 1 Damn in Star Wars and 1 Hell in Empire..what you got? Do you honestly think it was the LANGUAGE that caused ANH and ESB to get PG ratings? How about the violence instead?

God Forbid Star Wars DOESN'T grow a pottymouth. But maybe your OT edits will have Ackbar in a fishy new language, subtitled going "Goddammit! It's a FUCKING TRAP!!" and Jabba will have a new subtitle hinting at all the cunnilingus he'll perform on Slave Leia.

If by "Stiff Dialog" Mags means "not saying shit, cock and motherfucker" then yeah, he's right, but Mags is good at editing, not dialog. I honestly believe the dialog ADM reworked sounds more Star Wars-y, and is actually a little more naturalistic in that fictional universe. In my mind, he fixed one of the bigger problems of Mags TPM re-edit.

I would have asked for a copy, but only if you had MagnoliaFan's blessings.


You think MagnoliaFan got Lucas' blessing? C'mon man. All's fair in love and re-editing movies we didn't have a hand in creating
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#71612
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<strong>The &quot;Dr. Gonzo&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71612/action/topic#71612
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My preferred LD capture of choice. The commentaries, the color fidelity, the extras discs. (the set I got included 2 extra discs that had The Making of Star Wars, SPFX: The Making of Empire Strikes Back, From Star Wars to Jedi, and The Creatures of ROTJ) Hell, it's even got easter eggs. The Menus are pretty impressive, as well.

This capture is about 3 years old, too, and yet it still stands up. I find the picture to be better than the TR47 boot, mostly because of the color fidelity and the fact it's Anamorphic (I appreciate that since i have a 16x9 display) . It's a little softer in some spots, yeah, but those moments are few and far between.

Between this and the boot set I have with isolated score and original crawl on ANH, this is about all the original trilogy bootleg I need...


...until Zion's gets finished, of course
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#71244
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71244/action/topic#71244
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Your posts are dripping with condescension and as much antagonism as you claim to be railing against, just look at how threads turn into wars when you pop your head up. It's almost like you have your responses written before you read posts you respond to, do you? Are you just saying the same well thought out and coherent yet priggish and uppity drivel ad nauseum?


Jesus Christ, dude. I apologize if you thought I was being condescending to you. that's not my intent. I'm just trying to argue my point as well as I can, to ensure there's no misunderstanding what it is I'm trying to say. Sometimes that means I come off a little drier than "Lucas sucks cocks in hell" or "Natalie Portman is the best actor in the world" or whatver other very passionate argument you normally hear on Star Wars boards, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.

For instance, Windexed and I had a pretty nice little back and forth there that never once descended into the kind of overreactionary mean spirited personal bullshit you just threw at me right there, and while neither one of us converted the other to their side of the issue, at least some understanding was reached.

Once again, I apologize for stepping on your toes there. If I'd known you were going to instantly go for the throat because I hold a different opinion on how I come away from my moviewatching, I wouldn't have tried to weigh in in the first place.


...okay, well maybe I would have, but I probably would have been a lot funnier and a much bigger asshole about it
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#71187
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71187/action/topic#71187
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You are saying you are right and the other is wrong.


No, I'm saying one doesn't make sense to me. I don't really know if you know what you're arguing for by taking the opposite stance here..you're essentially arguing for the freedom to talk yourself out of liking stuff you actually did like. And if you wanna do that, you can. It just doesn't seem to make any sense to me to do that. That's essentially the thrust of my argument, that's all. I don't see a need to automatically jump from one extreme to another and setting up straw men along the way. There's a big gray area where discussion usually thrives a LOT more healthier, yunno?

And don't lump me in with Jimbo. I'd like to think my arguments and stances are a little more thought out and a LOT better backed up than "but ohmigod Natalie looks good in black PVC pipe ungh ungh ungh."
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#71150
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71150/action/topic#71150
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As opposed to the other option of being in denial then, right?


...no. See, this is where these discussions always derail. No one wants to temper their arguments with any kind of common sense. it's all extreme black and white stances with no bending.

If I don't like a couple movies by a director, and then I watch one that's good--Why should I hold those other two movies against the one I enjoyed? Why should I completely dilute and sabotage the fun time I had with the GOOD movie just so I can maintain my grump status? What's the point of that? Where's the logic in watching a movie, liking it, and then having to convince myself it's bad by way of bringing up the directors past movies in a way to belittle the enjoyment I just had?

What's the point in that?

I don't have to go to one extreme or the other to make that point. It's a very simple question. What is the point of talking yourself out of liking a movie you genuinely like? What's the point of making excuses to dislike something you had fun with?

Your sports analogy isn't a very good one, either. Let's stick to movies. Let's say, to stick with popcorn actionfests--I don't like Armageddon. I don't like Pearl Harbor. On a whim, someone rents "The Rock" and I watch that. And I think it's a really fun movie, I enjoy the notes it's hitting. What's my motivation to talk myself into thinking I just wasted two hours of my life enjoying the movie and that it's a terrible piece of crap--when I KNOW I DID enjoy the movie?

This is the mindset Reg was saying he'll subscribe to. It's willful dismissal of the movie before he's seen it, regardless of it's quality. That's just as unfair as someone like Jimbo fawning like crazy over every single frame.

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#71110
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/71110/action/topic#71110
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Even if it's balls out fantastic we'll be sitting there thinking 'now why weren't the other two this good?'


Yeah, but that's your bad. If you're going to let a permanently sour outlook mar what you just admitted would be a "Balls out fantastic" movie then that's not the movie's fault, that's your inability to take the movie for what it is and find an excuse to justify your disappointment in the previous two movies. Sure, you could blame the filmmakers for your sour outlook on the previous movies, but that's a weak excuse to write off a completely new movie and then dismiss it's triumphs by then going "Well, what about these other two?" it's announcing that you're going to be looking for an excuse to bitch instead of actually watching the movie.

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and the sheep-like mentality of audiences these days


And I don't think it's at all provable to say audiences now are more retarded and braindead than audiences prior. That's nostalgia creeping in and taking over in place of rationality. The ratio of great films to shitty films has always been about the same..you just don't remember the mediocre films of the past because a) they weren't memorable then and b) middle of the chart pieces of fluff don't ever make it on greatest hits compilations, understand what I'm sayign? Time softens edges. Just as many clunkers came out back in the day as they do now.

The quote above also betrays a basic condescension and contempt for people who dont' hold the same opinions as you do.

It's also weird that people who tend to list as their favorite movies popcorn flicks, fantasy flicks and mostly thin, fast moving action adventures are the one pulling this "artistic integrity in the audience" card. I'd buy it a bit more if it was a board dedicated to Godard or Truffaut or Fellini, but on a Star Wars board, the above complaint seems to come off as a little ironic.
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#70976
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/70976/action/topic#70976
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Well, you dont' actually see him kill any of the kids--and he's already admitted to killing women and children tuskens in the last movie. The other version of this shot I've heard is different only in that when he enters, you only see him from behind, and the younglings are looking up at him, one smiles and says "Hi, Ani."

And then he flicks his lightsaber on.

And then the door shuts and they cut to the next scene of Obi Wan chasing after General Greivous.

I don't think this scene is going to see the cutting room. It's a perfect transition scene to the next sequence--and it's nowhere near as horrific as watching him essentially trying to kill his own wife and unborn children on Mustafar, even if he doesn't even really realize that's what he's doing.
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#70973
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Revenge of the Sith Trailer description!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/70973/action/topic#70973
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ROTS is not the slaughtering of the Jedi. They are not going to show the violent killing of the Jedi on-screen.


Spoilers to follow:

Actually, They do, in fact, show Anakin leading a troop of clonetroopers into the Jedi Temple and we do see him kill a large amount of the Jedi still inside. The camera only cuts away when Anakin enters the room where the younglings are training. They say hi to him--and the doors shut.

This is, of course, after Anakin kills Mace Windu, and before he slaughters the rest of the Separatist leaders, chokes his pregnant wife half to death via the force, and then gets in a fight with Obi Wan Kenobi that lasts for apx 14 straight minutes onscreen.

As a matter of fact, most of the Jedi Deaths onscreen will come at Anakin's hands. There will be some shots of Jedi getting it from the Clones when the clones turn, but most of the Jedi you see die in Return of the Sith will die at Anakin's hands before he goes in the suit. A very large amount of the Jedi die in ROTS. A few escape due to Obi Wan and Yoda's warning beacon at the temple, and those are the Jedi that Vader "Hunts down and destroys" inbetween III and IV, but he personally wipes out everything alive in the Temple during the course of this movie, and we do see most of it.
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#70189
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Using the '04 SE DVD version to restore the Original (with lots of info)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/70189/action/topic#70189
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Just a note for the "old Fox logo or new fox logo" decision:

the Alien 3 SE has the old fox logo remastered quite pristinely. Since that logo fades out on Star Wars faster than it does for Alien 3 (The music also does something weird) you'd have to mix together the fanfare and manually fade out the image of the Logo--but if you were looking for a very clean 2.35:1 version of the old logo, it's on the Alien 3 SE
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#69976
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Using the '04 SE DVD version to restore the Original (with lots of info)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69976/action/topic#69976
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I'm not even sure it was the b-team. I imagine that even if Mike and his squad were going at this as fast as they could, it'd still take about twice as long with roughly the same amount of people as what ILM was given when this got assigned to them.

The production schedule was VERY rushed, unfortunately. The individual corrections that NEEDED to be made were noted, but time dictated they only tackle the bigger ones, along with the new changes and additions added.

I'm betting Mike ends up with a much more luxurious time frame in which to tweak these things to look right.

and as far as the sound goes--can't argue. I think burtt's pretty much lost it as far as the sound goes. He's completely subscribed to the idea that his sound effects are the REAL star of the show, (check out his commentary on ESB..he pretty much admits his intentions with the sound mix) and now that he's got more authority behind the scenes, he can implement that. these sound mixes are very similar to the prequel sound mixes, and those are also too muddy and hot in the low end, and quiet in the dialog and music.
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#69542
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Using the '04 SE DVD version to restore the Original (with lots of info)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69542/action/topic#69542
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I've only been focusing on the one, the only, the original.


Word

And we appreciate the focus. Thanks again. And as far as the shirts go--I doubt anyone would notice if you kept the fix the way it was. Consistency is the key--and if it's easier to achieve consistency by changing a couple blue shirts to gray than by having to change a bunch of gray shirts to blue, then the choice is pretty clear, regardless of whatever they actually wore on set.
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#69526
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OT.com is so loved....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69526/action/topic#69526
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I'm reading the above, and wondering how people can call Prequel fans "apologists"....

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Don't tell me to drop it. If the argument needed to be dropped, this topic wouldn't exist.


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There's enough bickering here that we don't need this (trust me, I know).


Weird. I'm looking back, and it appears the very same person said BOTH of those quoted statements.
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#69481
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Using the '04 SE DVD version to restore the Original (with lots of info)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69481/action/topic#69481
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oh, Mike--I've read some posts from costumers--and the Rebel's shirts are SUPPOSED to be blue, not Gray. The actual costumes themselves were blue shirts.

Also--I thought the Prequel "A Long Time Ago's" were timed and printed to look like ESB and ROTJ's? even before the SE's, I'd had the impression that only "Star Wars" logo looked different.

Either way--your work on this is VERY VERY impressive, and thanks for showing the step by steps.
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#69299
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Using the '04 SE DVD version to restore the Original (with lots of info)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69299/action/topic#69299
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Now THIS is something to follow

Mike--If you really do want to use the older 20th Century Fox Logo, there should be other DVD's with that old logo in scope. I think it looks good enough (compared to the LD image on your site) that most viewers probably wouldn't notice that the animated one had been replaced.

I also understand that you're trying to restore this thing to the original version, but if you're contemplating swapping the new Logo in at the beginnings, you might also want to contemplate keeping the new "A Long Time Ago.." as it matches up to every other "A Long Time Ago" in the series.

Got your site bookmarked, even if it's not up yet
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#69331
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STAR WARS DVD Producer Van Ling answers the tough questions!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69331/action/topic#69331
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Godwin's Law enacted, good call Molly.

We'll check with the judges and...


...and yes, that pretty much kills the thread! Nothing like comparing disagreements over Star Wars TO THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST.

Congratulations "Darth Justin" You have enacted Godwin's Law. If you are new to the phrase, do a Google Search on "Godwin's Law" and read up.

Thank you for contributing!