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#73988
Topic
The Next Superman
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73988/action/topic#73988
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Nope. Like I said in the previous post, That draft (which was what the McG and the Ratner movies were working from) was scrapped when Singer signed on and brought Dougherty/Harris onboard. No one knows any details about the Dougherty/Harris script except for a)Superman comes back after a 6 year hiatus b) Luthor will be in it, and c) they're using the Donner films (I and II only) as a very vague history so that they won't have to tell the origin again. This movie will NOT be a direct sequel, but they're going to make sure they don't disrupt any continuity with the Donner flicks so if the viewer so chooses, they CAN watch the movie as a sequel and the movies will still work.
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#73967
Topic
The Next Superman
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73967/action/topic#73967
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Ahhh...the saga that is the making of the fifth Superman movie.

There were a couple screenplays that started going around WB shortly after the whole "Death of Superman" comics extravaganza. And then Kevin Smith was brought in to advise. He thought they were crap, and WB hired him to re-write the "Death of Superman" script. He met with Jon Peters, who was (is still, but in name only, I believe) producing, got the orders (which involved Superman a) not wearing the suit b) not flying and c) ending the movie by fighting a giant Spider) and wrote the script.

The script got Tim Burton onboard. Once Burton got onboard, he scrapped Smith's script completely, and started rewriting. He cast Nicolas Cage. The thing started pre-production, and then was shut down after Burton got tired of the whole ordeal. He and Cage were pay or play, which means they got paid whether or not the movie got made.

WB went after Michael Bay. Bay turned it down, saying he didn't like the character or the Comic Book conventions. They then got McG. McG got writer JJ Abrams (Alias) to do a draft. The draft leaked. the story elements went like this:

Krypton didn't blow up.
Superman couldn't fly. his SUIT could. His suit pops out of some sort of container and wraps him up, giving him his powers.
Lex Luthor was a Kryptonian.
Superman died, and was brought back to life.
Superman's cousins flew to Earth to kill him. Superman fights the battle using Kung Fu moves in his flying suit.
Superman wins, and then flies back to Krypton, to help in the Kryptonian civil war.
This movie is the first of a planned trilogy that will see Superman crowned the ruler of Krypton.

McG got to pre-production, couldn't cast a Superman, the above synopsis leaked via Moriarty on AintItCoolNews, both the site and it's visitors crapped their collective pants in disgust, and raised hell. The bad feeling raced across the internet. Abrams emailed Harry at AICN to defend his draft. No one bought it. Even more bad word of mouth rained down. The project stalled. McG still couldn't decide on a superman, and combined with the acid hate fanboys were spewing at the film, WB kicked him.

WB went after Bay again. Bay again turns it down.

Brett Ratner (Rush Hour, Red Dragon) signs on, and is using the JJ Abrams script, though this fact is nicely hushed. Pre-production starts again, and Ratner approaches Johnny Depp to play Jor-El. He narrows the Superman casting down to Matthew Bomer vs Brandon Fraser. WB wants Fraser. Ratner won't budge. Ratner is off the project.

Singer pitches his idea to Donner. Donner says go for it. Singer approaches WB. WB likes it. Singer signs on. Gets the writers of X-Men 2 (Harris and Dougherty) to sign on. They do a page 1 re-write, using Donner's Superman movies as a very vague backstory so as not to do the origin over again. They won't be direct sequels, but they're not going to do anything that will contradict either Superman I or II. Singer gets John Ottman, longtime collaborator (Composer and Film Editor) to sign on. Ottman will use some existing Williams Superman score in his own music. Williams is not scoring, as everyone seems to think. Singer merely said Williams music will be used. Think more like the use of the Krypton Theme in Smallville, or Ken Thorne's reworking of the scores in Superman II and III. Casts Brandon Routh as Superman, talks to Kevin Spacey about Luthor. Pre-production and a solid start date locked in.

This is pretty easily the most optimistic of behind the camera teams for a fanboy. Plus, I think Singer is a pretty visually interesting director. X-Men is sorta bland, but that movie had it's budget chopped by a third in the middle of production, and the movie was moved up almost SIX MONTHS while filming. X2 looked a lot better, and both "The Usual Suspects" and "Apt Pupil" Singers first two studio films, were very well shot and definitely visually interesting. Plus, Singer manages to get VERY good performances out of his actors. The fact he got STEPHEN BALDWIN to turn in a performance many critics hailed in "The Usual Suspects" should say something

McG might be a visual director, but his films are typically VERY poorly edited, plot suffers horribly, and the script he would have been working from (Abrams') would have been Superman in name only. It would have been a total nightmare.
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#73791
Topic
Yoda cuts one - in the PT.
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73791/action/topic#73791
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No, the scene wasn't scripted. It's an editorial joke, the TIE bomber example from ESB is a good comparison.

I can see this tidbit being the "NSYNC IS IN EPISODE II" rumor for Episode III: the one thing that people are going to focus on endlessly, even after it gets debunked. I was worried about that getting out in 2001 because I was certain it'd overshadow everything else, and I was worried about the Yoda Fart getting out because I was sure it'd overshadow everything else as well.

of course, the NSYNC story was crap, and this story is just an example of a goof thrown into the assembly cut by the fx guys/editors for the hell of it. There's a long history of that kind of stuff happening in Star Wars, and a fair amount of those types of shots actually ended up on the DVD's of Episodes I and II as easter eggs.
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#73479
Topic
Jim Ward on SE Changes...
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73479/action/topic#73479
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No, I haven't seen you cuss in your other posts. Which is why I figured you mentioning it must have something to do with some discomfort with my using it. Which is why I said "IF cusswords offend you" because I didn't know for sure. Now I know better. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

there I go again..it's like a one-way street here. I misunderstand you, and I apologize for it. you misunderstand me, and *I* apologize for it. You read my words with a different intent than what I wrote them with--and you don't apologize, soften your stance after explanation, or do anything but find a different nitpick and then throw a sarcastic smiley after it at best. And then you wonder why, in frustration, I use expletives, and then you crap on me for it.
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#73473
Topic
Jim Ward on SE Changes...
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73473/action/topic#73473
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forgive me for talking like a normal, frustrated person. I apologize if cusswords offend you. I'll keep that in mind for future reference.

But it still looks like you're simply looking for any reason to nitpick the hell out of my posts, regardless of their content. If it's not a misunderstanding, it's my username. if it's not my username, it's the language I'm using.

I'm sorry you don't like me. I dont' know what else I can do about it.
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#73464
Topic
Jim Ward on SE Changes...
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73464/action/topic#73464
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So I suppose you used "Jesus" as a prayer, rather than showing frustration who were commenting on his statement?

Actually, I used it as a comment on how silly Ward's comment was, but as I've already done, I apologize for any misunderstanding. Thank you for constantly ignoring said apologies and trying to meet in the middle on this. As you've exhaustedly pointed out, your entire problem with my posting in this thread boils down to THAT misunderstanding. Which you don't want to acknowledge, for whatever reason.

Seems to me all you are doing is getting pissed/cheezed off now

I'm getting mildly irritated, but that's simply because of you and your stubborn inability to try to even really read what I'm saying without this shitfilter coming down in front of it. You can see how that would be frustrating, correct?

You have a habit of coming into a thread with both guns blazing, and it's getting tiresome.


Well, no, not really, but if you choose to see it that way, I can only, once again, apologize if my writing style is too subtlety impaired for you.

I know that new posters like to make a grand entrance to make a name for themselves


I'm not trying to make any sort of name for myself, and certainly not here. This isn't any sort of popularity contest, and there's nothing to be gained by trying to "make a name" for myself on originaltrilogy.com. I don't really get how my username speaks volumes to that, either. That you'd think there is anything to that mindset says more about you and why you post than it does about me. I'm engaging in discussion, that's it. I thank you for your advice on my posting habits, but it's not needed, as I put plenty of thought into my posts before I hit send. My advice to you would be to not bring any preconcieved bullshit to the post and then filter everything you read through that even after multiple posts trying to tell you otherwise.

I've been trying to meet in the middle here for about 4 posts now. Your unwillingness to simply say "okay, it's all good" especially considering that, once again, we're both basically on the same side here, is what's prolonging this. Granted, I could have dropped it too, but I HATE being misunderstood, and I hate it even more when people WILLFULLY ignore any attempts to repair that misunderstanding for whatever reason. And as such, it has you running in circles to justify the justifications you've already justified in your projection onto me.

(whew)

It's obviously something personal you have with me. I apologize for that. But when I try to smooth things out and fix any misunderstandings, it's good form to try to WORK with that instead of sticking your nose straight up in the air in defiance and to continue being an asshole about it. And if you're simply just going to be an asshole about it regardless of how many concessions, apologies and explanations I give, then either be more straightforward about it and just insult me, or ignore my posts. It'll probably be better all around if you have no intention of even attempting to be even mildly understanding.

thanks for your time.
Post
#73448
Topic
Jim Ward on SE Changes...
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73448/action/topic#73448
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I was simply commenting on your need to put down people who want to comment on Ward's statement.

See, this is what I'm talking about..who was I putting down? I didn't shit on ANYBODY in any of those sentences man. You're just willfully misunderstanding what I'm writing, and it gets frustrating to watch you pretty much spin these posts into something where I'm picking on people for not having the same opinion as me. And every one of your responses ignores the actual content of my posts, even when I explain it as simply as I can, and you just do the same shit over and over--you read it as me making FUN of people, and respond to THAT instead of actually responding to what I'm really writing.

look at those posts again, man. I'm AGREEING with you people. At length. The only difference is that I'm wording my "pshh..whatever" statements in a way that doesn't involve me calling someone an asshead or saying they toss someone else's salad. That's the ONLY difference. Otherwise, I'm expressing the EXACT same feelings you guys are.

for instance: You ask me to point out where you thought I was obviously trying to defend Jim Ward and change people's opinions:

here's you:
I don't see anyone else in here believing that Ward's opinion was in any way correct or important. Who's opinion, exactly, were you hoping to change?


What else am I SUPPOSED to think you were thinking? You straight out ASK me. So obviously you thought I was trying to change someone's opinion with my posts...how can I be wrong about that when you blatantly ASK me a question like that. And then you follow that up with this:

For someone who is very opinionated, you apparently had a problem with other people giving their opinion of Jim Ward.


That was in the EXACT same paragraph where you DENY that you thought I had a problem with people's opinion of Jim Ward. I don't have a problem with it at all. I essentially AGREE with it, which is pretty evident if you simply read the posts and take them at face value. My only reason for posting was to help write him off as a PR shill who probably doesn't even BUY the shit he's shoveling, and then I posted an example of how he probably doesn't. I thought I made that very easy to understand

I've already apologized for any misunderstanding in this thread about twice now, and yet you're still trying to come at me like I'm some sort of confused idiot because I wont let you twist my posts into what you want them to be. Knock it off, please. We're pretty much on the same side here, so why are you hell bent on being a dickhead about it and constantly picking a fight with me over it?
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#73440
Topic
Jim Ward on SE Changes...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73440/action/topic#73440
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....??

I'm sorry there's such a huge disconnect between us. I don't know how much more plain I can make myself. Sorry. I didn't think my message was at all odd, or weird, or contentious in the least, nor was I trying to change anyone's opinion of anything, which I thought was pretty obvious. Again, I think your problem with my posts is you read them LOOKING for something, and then you just sort of fit my words to whatever you were looking for. You're looking for me to try to defend Ward and change your opinion on him--and you fit it on my post that actually REINFORCES how silly his doofy statement was, and joins in writing him off as definitively as everyone else was. But yet I'm the bad guy that's all "pissed off" and "trying to change everyone's opinion."

...oooookaaaaayyy...

I don't see anyone else in here believing that Ward's opinion was in any way correct or important.


Well, the fact there's a thread dedicated to it and over 15 responses to it says people were paying more attention to his PR spin than they should have. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying it's a bit funny to even pay attention to a marketing guru, much less be surprised when he says something silly.
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#73466
Topic
Attack of the Clones soundtrack
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73466/action/topic#73466
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Well, he wasn't actually canned. He apparently didn't want to do it this time out. He still headed up the pre-viz teams, however, so he DOES have a hand in how the movie is cut in that respect, but it wasn't that he got fired, he apparently declined to handle the editing this time out, instead choosing to concentrate of pre-viz and sound effects editing.

I do agree that a lot of the prequel's problems have to do with his editing..although he's not editing in a vacuum, either. Lucas is right behind him as well, even if Lucas doesn't get an "edited by" credit.

BUT: The Imax edit of Attack of the Clones GREATLY improved that movie, and that was ALL Burtt. He did that edit by himself. So he does have some talent. But I'm not sad to see he stepped away from the duties on this movie. I think him handling pre-viz, as well as the sound department ON TOP of editing the films, meant one of those three had to suffer. looks like it was the editing.

Roger Barton, who edited Pearl Harbor and Gone in 60 Seconds, is editing the film. Say what you will about Pearl Harbor--but I always thought the editing was good. Actually made a Michael Bay movie look semi-restrained.

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#73410
Topic
Jim Ward on SE Changes...
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73410/action/topic#73410
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...I'm not pissed off, though. I'm trying to basically say "blech. It's Jim Ward. Don't sweat it so bad." What you're saying isn't offending me in the least. I'm not trying to DEFEND Jim Ward or get you to lay off him--I'm trying to provide some perspective as to why he spouts some of the shit he does, and that it's simply because that's what he's paid to do. I'd question whether he actually believes what he's saying half the time.

I'm not mad that you're mad, I'm trying to REASSURE you that it's something that isn't a big deal--and then educate you about how Ward, if he could, would MAKE lucas sell the originals. It's a Marketing Exec's wet dream. He'd love nothing more than to get the originals out there.

Apologies if you thought I was trying to ream you out or something, but really--you're not pissing me off or irritating me by reaming Ward. Doesn't bother me in the least. I'm just trying to save you some hassle.

(shrug)
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#73364
Topic
Jim Ward on SE Changes...
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73364/action/topic#73364
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Jesus. He's the head of marketing. Paying attention to whatever he says is like asking Ari Fleischer for an honest opinion on Bush. It's not gonna happen. You're better off not even reading any sort of press release or interview with Ward's name in it if you don't want to just get pissed off. Reading anything Jim Ward says, especially if you want the originals, isn't going to do anything but get you really cheezed off.

But here's the thing: Ward can't WAIT to sell the originals. Can't. he's been bugging Lucas about this (along with a LOT of Lucasfilm) for a long time now. Ward would love NOTHING more than to package up the originals and give a huge, nostalgic spiel about what we grew up with and all that. Ward's just doing his job. He has to belittle the OT thing because that's company line, and he's paid to do that. if the instant Lucas says "okay, for HD, include the originals" Ward is going to beat the HELL out of that drum unendingly. With a huge grin on his face.

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#73322
Topic
Attack of the Clones soundtrack
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73322/action/topic#73322
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...Are you serious, "Psycho Dayv?"

I'm not nearly the first person to curse, but I do know I'm the first to get warned for it, which might have something to do with the fact I'm not constantly making snide jokes about how Lucas is a moron.. and do you really think any KIDS are visiting this site? Kids meaning 13 and under? Because last I checked, this place was pretty much a gaggle of 20-30 year olds, promoting the illegal bootlegging of Star Wars movies. Not that I mind, really, but last i checked, cussing wasn't illegal. Stealing was. So the morality line to tread is pretty thin, aint it? If you're going to let people read about and get into the world of copyright theft, saying "ass" and "Shit" probably isn't that bad.

I am with Hardcore Legend, though. there were plenty of unused cues from the OT that could have been edited together, and even some unused stuff from Episode II itself. The real problem I have with that flick was Williams' producer. he simply did a poor job editing the cues together. There's no reason for the music to have sounded THAT bad. I get the idea he did it in an afternoon. That's just how it feels to me.

did you visit JWfan.net? Great site.
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#73212
Topic
MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73212/action/topic#73212
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the two paragraphs preceding don't really have anything to do with the paragraph I quoted. So the context is pretty much nailed down how I had it in the first place. His point was that the movie simply won't be as good as we're hoping, and that you'll have to fix stuff because it won't be as good as it should be. Which is pretty ridiculous to say at this point, since there's no way homeboy has any idea how good the movie will or won't be as a statement of fact.

Granted, even if this thing wins frigging OSCARS, you're still going to have to edit it to fit into your Elseworlds version of Star Wars, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the part I quoted.
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#73157
Topic
MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73157/action/topic#73157
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He's going to have to chop some of Ben's speech in the hut, otherwise, if you've seen the prequels, Ben spoils who Vader really is in that speech.

I myself think it's going overboard to special edition the originals on a site called original trilogy, but if he really wants to make EVERYTHING in the six movies teeter totter on that ONE twist, then yeah, he's going to have to take the knives to the OT. But I'm not entirely certain that actually doing that kind of editorial gymnastics is going to really help in that instance--because there's no way to edit out the fact that both their last names are Skywalker, and that they both grew up on Tatooine, and that alone will be enough for most people to have the "twist" spoiled for them. The mere existence of the prequels themselves is enough to render that twist ineffective as a "Boo!" moment to anyone BUT Luke in the movie. Which is fine, the focus of the drama simply shifts. and at this point, even people who never have seen the films know "Luke I am your father."

I for one don't think the twist in ESB is the be-all, end all of the series, and re-editing to simply preserve that twist actually does the PT and the OT a disservice dramatically and structurally, but I'm not MAGS and I'm not re-editing these things

But let's think about it, it isn't going to be as good as we'd hope.


HAL has used his considerable computing power to see into the future, apparently
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#73159
Topic
A question about Epsiode Four..
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73159/action/topic#73159
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"They've just made the jump into hyperspace."
"Are you sure the homing beacon is aboard their ship?"

I figure we just skipped their trip through hyperspace and join back up with the Falcon as they enter Yavin's orbit. Can't be in hyperspace while you enter the planet atmosphere.

They blow up the tie fighters
They cut to the Death Star. Vader tells us they made the jump.
Cut back to the Falcon--this is where time and the jump has probably passed
After Luke and Han talk--we see how close they are to Yavin. Meaning they probably dropped out of hyperspace before we cut back to Han and Leia talking in the first place.
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#73032
Topic
MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/73032/action/topic#73032
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It's probably a coincidence: Balance of the Force was a very popularized rumored name in 1997/1998. Which is why "Phantom Menace" suckerpunched a lot of people when it was announced. Everyone assumed "Balance of the Force" was the title. And "The Clone War" was not only the title of a videogame that had been released BEFORE "Battlefront" but was one of the most rumored names for "Episode II from even before Episode I was released. The same idea that jumped into Mags head regarding titles has probably jumped into a lot of people's heads. I even remember Spin magazine, back in 1999, saying "The Clone War" was definitely going to be the title of Episode II, so the idea of that being a title in the Star Wars universe has been around for quite a long time.
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#72979
Topic
***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72979/action/topic#72979
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MeBe: If you're going to be accurate, you can't just paint out the "Episode IV: A New Hope" because the scroll size and word placement of the original scroll is different. You'd be better off re-creating it in After Effects, as has already been done on at least one Capture. They did it real well, too, matched the resolution up, softened it so it didn't look out of place with the laserdisc image. If you're going for 77 accuracy, just painting out the Chapter number and title won't do it.
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#72881
Topic
Info Wanted: What other LDs are you all transferring?
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72881/action/topic#72881
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The Frighteners DC comes to mind.


I guarantee that would spread like wildfire around the internet if a quality capture along the likes of what everyone's doing with Star Wars was done with Frighteners. Especially considering all the extras on that set.

I think someone capturing and doing up "Frighteners" would be even more anticipated than a capture of Close Encounters theatrical release.

And I know there's a capture of the various versions of Blade Runner out there somewhere. You'd think someone would try to capture that, and apply the same meticulous standards we're applying to Star Wars.
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#72839
Topic
Attack of the Clones soundtrack
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72839/action/topic#72839
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No, I'm just talking out my ass

C'mon, man. Although it IS cool you asked, because too many people take too much shit for granted just because they read it on a messageboard. BUT--no one ever seems to ask the people crapping on Lucas for proof that their rumors have any merit

Check www.jwfan.net. They've got some very detailed stuff. The scenario you're describing is the scoring of The Phantom Menace, which had it's 6th reel scored twice due to Lucas' re-editing, and then the chop job came when Lucas decided, last minute, to re-edit the 6th reel ONE last time. Couldn't get Williams in to re-score one last time, so the music took the hit. That was pretty much all Lucas' fault, and word is his 3rd edit of that reel didn't even really improve on the 2nd, which left the lightsaber fight and Space battle alone, mostly, and tended to crosscut more between the Naboo battle and the Princess storming the castle.

For AOTC, they knew post production was going to go down to the wire again, (Lucas had just recently created and inserted the droid sequence late in Post) so they talked beforehand, and decided they'd just leave most of the clone battle blank, and Williams' producer would cut music together from TPM and AOTC. So Williams didn't even write any music for that sequence. So the blame for the choppy music editing on that one goes to Williams' producer, who really didn't do a good job transitioning between cues at all. There was no music "rejected" by Lucas, he doesn't do that. He has, of course, chopped up cues and cut some short, going back to Empire Strikes Back, and including "The Droid Foundary" (which is one of Williams best cues, in my opinion) in AOTC, but I dont' think there's ever been an example of Lucas going "That cue sucks balls, go write another one."

the stories were pretty well known amongst the score fans, but JWfan.net did a really good job of consolidating and compiling it all on their site.

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#72715
Topic
Attack of the Clones soundtrack
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/72715/action/topic#72715
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No, that's a bullshit rumor.

Williams never scored the actual clone battle. No music was written for it. Both Lucas and Williams decided before scoring even started that they were going to have Williams' producer re-edit already existing music for that battle.

An Ultimate Edition of AOTC was scrapped SOLELY by Sony because the Ultimate Edition of the TPM soundtrack didn't sell well.