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#88793
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88793/action/topic#88793
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Rik: Calm down, buddy. Yes, it's about the fans. But if I make something, if I put all that time and effort into something that intensive, why should people beef with me about that if I decide I'd rather just hang onto it myself? If it's my time and my work going into it, and no one hired me to do it, why should I feel COMPELLED to give it to anyone else? How does that make it automatically free-market goods? I mean, obviously, someone else did the same thing anyway, right? ISOMIX? And then someone else came up with the same idea these guys had, right? MeBe? So why the stomping and teeth-gnashing and weak arguments designed to cajole people into giving you what you want? You can dress it up with 'it's for the fans" as much as you want, but the tone of your posts isn't benevolent sounding. it sounds more like "Gimme gimme gimme gimme."

I understand their side of it, and I understand your side of it. But your argument is very very lacking and petty sounding.

And DanielB, go fuck yourself. I'm surprised your head hasn't imploded due to the black-hole level vaccuum currently sucking at the inside of your skull. Stop talking. Having someone as ass-backwards as you attempt to moralize to ANYONE about ANYTHING is the height of absurdity, as far as I'm concerned. Either that or your weird as hell justification for your asinine ramblings. "Lay off me, I made a girl kill herself." Next thing you know, you'll be telling us about how you caused a grandmother to jump from a building and impale her grandchildren on railroad spikes, but you had to brush it off because "That's just how you are." or something. Save it. I don't need your empty-headed speechifying. So shut the fuck up.

And for the rest of you--lucky for you, the people who DID create this set HAVE said it's okay if these versions DO get out now, as Gonzo got a hold of someone who got a hold of someone who relayed the information that you kids didn't give a SHIT about the wishes of the people who made it and were going to distribute it anyway because it's your god-given right to have as many different versions of a laserdisc rip as possible. So they cruised on over, checked it out, and decided that they might as well make it available to you. I don't know any of the details as to how and when this will all happen, but soon, so Rik can update his posts and give everyone the link to the torrentsite or whatever.

All is well in capture-land
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#87551
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.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87551/action/topic#87551
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Here's my idea..

the starburst behind the title?? Make it initially WAY more intense, to where it very briefly whites out the whole screen--and as the white recedes back into space, have the "Empire Strikes Back" fade in, (not wipe in) in direct response to the light fading back behind the Star Wars logo. So the starburst basically looks like it's leaving the title behind in it's wake.
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#87441
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87441/action/topic#87441
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Wouldn't it be just as easy to put on a CD?


Well, yeah

BUT: I was thinking maybe in the authoring, maybe Zion or MeBe could either a) make it so you can jump to the scenes those tracks are on specifically, kind of like how some commentaries are only for certain scenes on some tracks. I think there's some captures of the Def LD's that do that for the Def commentaries, since they're so sparse, or b) do it like the Superman DVD, where there's simply a menu page that allows you to hear select deleted cues accompanied by still images. If there's an image gallery, maybe you can select what track will play underneath them, or just select which cue you want to hear and the DVD will essentially BE the CD.

Obviously, Gerhardt's concert arrangements would play along with the scene pretty roughly, not screen specific, but it'd be a decent special feature to listen along to the alternate recordings.

but you do have a good point--ideally, these would all be dual layered DVD's. Image quality will only take up so much room when being captured from a LD source, so you could max out the audio tracks and not hurt the image pretty easy. Plus, you get into the whole "internet stealing" thing, because if you don't stick them on an isolated score track that attempts to play along with the movie, you're essentially getting a free copy of a CD that's still available for purchase. With these isolated scores, it's at least re-edited to play EXACTLY with the movie, deleted cues and all, so it's an experience you CAN'T get on a CD. But in this case, it gets iffy, because this is essentially just spreading out an existing CD on a DVD, no changes or edits at all.
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#87429
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87429/action/topic#87429
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Well, I don't have a DVD drive in my computer, so I can't do it anyway. And even if I could--I don't think I would. Those guys made it clear they didn't want me passing it around or making it available without their permission on file-share programs and such. I know it won't make much of a difference now since apparently it's going to get out anyway, but I DID tell them I wouldn't do it, and I don't want to make myself a LIAR. I've been an ass, an overreactive ass, and a loud, overreactive, vindictive ass, but I try to never LIE.

And since both Zion and MeBe are planning very similar ideas (and I volunteer my assistance to Zion or MeBe on the audio editing side if they want it as far as isolated scores, alternate scores. I have access to some alternate orchestral versions of Star Wars score, done by Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Orchestra, as well as Charles Gerhardt and the Scottish National Symphony, including Gerhardt's entire "The Empire Strikes Back" Score he recorded, which, at the time of it's release, was the most complete recording of ESB available) It might simply be better to just wait until their projects are done, because as much as I love these and Gonzo's, chances are I'm going to instantly replace them with Zion's when that one drops.
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#87420
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87420/action/topic#87420
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The Greedo scene has sub-titles that are in the black band and sometime overlap the image as well.


Well, the disc was encoded as 4x3. They didn't think there was enough resolution there to try a 16x9 transfer, or enough to make it worthwhile, that is. So if you have a 16x9 display, hit the zoom button. But since they were doing it 4x3, they figured why not keep the subtitles in the black?

MeBe: Sorry for any misunderstanding, but by "cues" I meant audio cues. Not actual deleted scenes. Deleted music cues. And Neil is right, there IS one rough moment (I think it's when Han is riding back to Echo Base at the beginning of ESB) where there's a dodgy fade-in or two. But for the most part, I thought the score editing on the isolated tracks was VERY well done. Neil's a bit more nitpicky, but that's because he's a huge film-score fan.
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#87417
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STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87417/action/topic#87417
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have the ANH sountrack on two LPs, but no functional record player to play it on. I'd LOVE to put that as an alternate soundtrack on my DVD.


I've got a Technics SL 1200 and Adobe Audition..and the two disc LP release from 77. Found it for 6 bucks at a Goodwill here in town Thing is--the exact same recordings are on the CD box set from 95, AND the SE releases, except they sound better due to the remastering. There's really no reason to capture audio from the LP's. 20th Century Fox records (the 95 box set) and Michael Matessino (the SE re-release) have already cleaned up the sound for you.

Now, what would REALLY be a cool isolated score feature, would be to replace the Williams score with the Charles Gerhardt recordings of selections from Star Wars that were released on Varese Sarabande record label throughout the late 70's and early 80's. Some of those versions, dare I say, are BETTER than the original score..especially Gerhardt's renditions of the Empire Strikes Back score. GREAT stuff in there. "Han Solo and the Princess" is especially heartbreaking, and he managed to IMPROVE on "The Asteroid Field"

timing would be a bitch, though, as the tempos were generally slower. I'm sure you could time-stretch the songs to get them to play faster without altering the pitch, but even then, it might simply be easier to put the tracks where they were intended to go and let them play out regardless of whether they match with the action onscreen or not.
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#87412
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87412/action/topic#87412
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as they included the deleted Williams cues BACK into the isolated score mix where they were originally supposed to go, and they're re-edited in seamlessly. Same with Empire and Jedi. The work on Empire itself is very good, as there were quite a few cues on Hoth that were cut out, but they're integrated here nicely.


"Look Closer."

Yes, there's a whole set. At first, I'd only heard of "Star Wars" but there is a complete set done by these guys. The isolated scores on ESB and ROTJ are very good, especially the editing in of deleted cues into their intended placement.
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#87331
Topic
<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87331/action/topic#87331
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I wonder if it's the same version described by Neil S. Bulk and mcdermd on Sep 14 in this thread ?

See also The Bizzle's remark from October 16 in the Dr. Gonzo thread.


Mallwalker guessed it

This thing has been around for awhile, and it hasn't propogated mostly because it's creators didn't WANT it to. I'm pretty sure they still don't, actually. Not because they're selfish or anything--they just don't want anyone to a) trace the thing back to them and b) come after them for it. They did it for fun, and for themselves (sort of like mverta) and copies have been slowly getting out ever since.

The crawl IS generated, I know that. I believe they used After Effects. It's pretty seamless in motion. The soundtracks are great, and the mono mix is VERY interesting. I've only listened to it about once, though. Thin as hell, of course.. if I had the hard-disk space and the processing power, I'd like to take a whack at ANYONES classic mono soundtrack and see if I can sweeten it up a little, I got some experience with sound editing. So do the makers of this set, as they included the deleted Williams cues BACK into the isolated score mix where they were originally supposed to go, and they're re-edited in seamlessly. Same with Empire and Jedi. The work on Empire itself is very good, as there were quite a few cues on Hoth that were cut out, but they're integrated here nicely.

Great set. Pic quality could be better, yeah, but for as old as it is, it stands up pretty well. I'm still waiting on Zion's (that's gonna be the winner, I'm tellin you) but this and Gonzo's are holding me over with NO problems
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#85479
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A message to Jay in regards to DanielB
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85479/action/topic#85479
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Couple comments:

I do think this would have been a little more effective if it'd been directly PM'd and emailed to Jay, with links directing him to the offending posts. This seems to be more like a duplicate bitch thread, where there's already threads directly concerning the drama DanielB stirred up. Continuing the discussion in those thread lends it an easier context.

Also, I very much applaud Laserman's efforts, and I'm also willing to pitch in some bucks, especially if I know those files are going to Zion, who's work I think is the best I've seen so far, and I've already volunteered a custom cover for. But for almost ANY undertaking worth a crap, there's going to be at least ONE yahoo trying to clown you for it. The trick is to not let that one yahoo discourage you from doing what you want to do. Whether it be writing a book, singing a song, or even something like transferring a video

And while it might sound silly to try and look on the bright side of this--maybe this was the kick in the ass the posters here needed. We've been getting a LOT of stuff VERY easily. Look at this forum: There's almost 10 separate OT captures floating around with their own threads. That's a pretty wide range of captures to grab from, all free, all giving us Star Wars goodness that we really want in a non-degradable form. Maybe we got a little spoiled. And while I don't want to give DanielB any credit, but maybe Laserman's potential "Taking the ball and going home" posts were what we needed to realize we can't take this stuff for granted. Hopefully it's not too little, too late, and Laserman doesn't actually take his ball and go home. Especially since, with as much work as he's already put into it, it'd be a shame to stop now simply because one jackass with a keyboard is running his mouth.

And while the earlier message "Just grow up" was a little too curt and condescending--there is something to be taken from that. While DanielB's complaints aren't really constructive at all, it's just as equally non-constructive to get so rattled by one wackjob's rantings that you question your entire reasoning for doing it. If it's really something you want to do, you can't let the naysayers talk you out of it.

I hope I'm not stepping on toes. I've been that jackass naysayer a couple times, and I've learned it doesn't help, and being a self-righteous prick doesn't necessarily mean you're actually making the world a better place. Most times it simply means "Look at me, look how superior I am. Bask in my aura of righteousness, and behold as I preach from my soapbox."

You can't let that wind you up to the point you just give up. It's not fair to yourself. And it's not fair to everyone else to focus so much on the negative, either. Starting a thread like this simply adds more fuel to the fire, good intentions or no.

I hope Laserman stops by a couple times, and reads this, and knows the deal. And I hope he decides to keep on keeping on.
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#79897
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***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/79897/action/topic#79897
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What's the point, since I'm going to make my transfer MY way. If YOU don't like it, too bad, BUT DON'T COME IN HERE BITCHING AND WHINING BECAUSE YOU AREN'T GETTING THE VERSION YOU WANT!


I love that this statement is showing up on OriginalTrilogy.com

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about sticking a logo in the bottom corner of the frame. If you improve the transfer and you want to stick it on the binaries newsgroup again, just put a note in there--the people who'd pull it off of that ng probably have no problem deleting the old one and burning a new one.
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#79784
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I &quot;Balance Of The Force&quot;, and Ep II &quot;The Clone War&quot; (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/79784/action/topic#79784
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The entire subplot of Dooku as Palp's Apprentice (and therefore a sith) was entirely woven out.


I know. What I'm arguing is that it didnt' actually accomplish anything more interesting than if it was left alone. It ends up being a change for change's sake, because it doesn't actually affect the storytelling positively at all.
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#79708
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I &quot;Balance Of The Force&quot;, and Ep II &quot;The Clone War&quot; (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/79708/action/topic#79708
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The name "Tyrannus" is never said in TCW.


I know, but that wasn't the point of my post, now was it? I was referring to "Attack of the Clones," events, not your re-edit. Basically, by re-editing it, you're saying you're trying to amp up the sense of "mystery" surrounding Dooku. I'm saying that by looking at what's there in "Clones" --the "mystery" surrounding Dooku isn't really a mystery at all, and nor was it meant to be, so editing to amplify something that isn't really in the story in the first place isn't helping. You're moving sideways. It's more of a distraction than an improvement. it SOUNDS like it should be helping, but it's more academic than anything. The execution of the idea is lacking, because it puts storytelling focus on the color of a weapon, and that's just bad storytelling. the color of the saber is a supporting detail, not a focal point. Dooku is bad in Attack of the Clones. Padme names him off the bat. Fett coughs up "Tyranus." His first entrance into the film and he's drawing up war plans with the separatists. His first exchange with a character and it's a threatening, slimy, blackmailing one. And then he sentences two jedi and a senator to death, and engages his forces in battle against the Jedi, and ensures that the plans for a PLANET KILLING WEAPON are safely carried to fruition--all this before he pulls a lightsaber. Do you really think his character's allegiance is REALLY meant to be in question at any point of the movie? And do you really think a yellow lightsaber and the removal of his Sith name changes any of that? It doesn't make the character ambiguous, it just needlessly neuters the full force of his character's impact. It SOUNDS like it'd add to an "is he or isn't he" vibe, but it doesn't at all. Because we know he IS a bad guy by then--so why not have him be a sith? Why not have his saber red? What's the point? there's no mystery to enhance by that point.

The main mystery of Attack of the Clones, believe it or not--is "who's trying to kill Padme." Not "is Dooku a sith or not." The secondary mystery is "who ordered these clones," which springs directly from "who's trying to kill Padme?" never is any of the storytelling focus on "Is Dooku a Sith? is Dooku really a bad guy or a misled guy?" so trying to amplify something that's not even there isn't working. For me. At least.

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#79681
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I &quot;Balance Of The Force&quot;, and Ep II &quot;The Clone War&quot; (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/79681/action/topic#79681
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I still think this "yellow saber is good" idea is bunk. The focus on Dooku isn't "is he good or is he bad." Almost the instant you are introduced to him, you KNOW he's bad. The Yellow Saber isn't throwing anyone off or adding to a nonexistent "mystery" about Dooku's allegiance. Hell, Jango calls him "Tyranus" earlier in the flick. There's really no point in trying to make that situation more ambiguous for the sake of..for the sake of what, I don't know. Turning Dooku into an "Is he or isn't he" character doesn't actually ADD anything to the story. It SOUNDS like it does, but in practice--it doesn't change a thing. At all. The yellow saber cannot be counted on to carry the kind of dramatic weight you guys say it's carrying. it's just a weapon. Changing it from red to yellow is ineffectual at best.
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#76432
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Kevin Smith question
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76432/action/topic#76432
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This is apparently the only place on the internet that still believes Kevin Smith re-edited The Phantom Menace

Guys, Smith has actually debunked this rumor personally on a posting at his viewaskew.com messageboard a LONG time ago, back in like, 2000 or 2001. Something like that. He had neither the time nor the inclination to do it. He makes references to the movies in his movies--but he's written a couple essays that happen to mention he's not really that big of a fan of the movies anymore. Wasn't really all that interested in them even before Lucas Special Editioned em. He thought Phantom Menace needed work, but he was busy writing and directing his own movies. He simply didn't care enough about the movie either way to want to put in the time to re-edit it.

Besides--he's not even really an editor. He's a writer first, a director second.

And he wasn't put in the "directors influenced by star wars' Because his films aren't really influenced by Star Wars. There's jokey references, but that's not an example of "influencing" Smith has gone on record saying his influences are Richard Linklater and Spike Lee. He doesn't really try to make movies like George Lucas, and it wasn't Star Wars that inspired him to start making movies--it was "Slackers."