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#102869
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Lucas Forced Himself To Write 'Episode III'
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/102869/action/topic#102869
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and you're doing exactly the same thing.


How so, exactly? I don't see the correlation you're drawing at all. I made two points in the rebuttal:

1) This isn't news, Lucas has ALWAYS had to force himself to write stuff, since he doesn't at all LIKE writing
2) To say that only putting out 5 pages a day denotes a lack of passion reveals very limited knowledge of how differently writers work from one another.

That's all my post did. I'm not at all certain how that's "seeing what I want to see" since what I want to see is some knowledgeable, informative posts. Don't assume that because you read most posts with a predetermined outcome already prepared in your head at the slightest mention of a few keywords (Luca$, Greedo, Spielberg, Kershner, Kurtz, JarJar, etc..) that's what I'm doing as well. It's not true.

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Chaltab, Bizzle, and Wajas: you guys need to calm down and not get so defensive. I don't know why everything has to be so polarized.


I wasn't defensive. The first REAL defensive post in here is yours, telling me to calm down for poking holes all over your interpretation of the article. I'm not tripping that you think his writing sucks--I can't really argue that. What I CAN argue is the laughable idea that Lucas somehow only cranking out 5 pages a day points to some sort of lack of passion in making movies overall. That's a hell of a leap, especially since it ignores Lucas well-documented history. Of course, it's easier to MAKE that leap if what you're REALLY trying to do is condemn the man as some sort of money-grubbing emotionless hack, which you're obviously trying to do. And if you hold that opinion, that's fine..but don't try to tie it to something as ultimately substanceless as this.

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I will concede that writing is not easy and of course there is such a thing as writer's block.


Well thanks for the concession. I'll alert imdB right away
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#102729
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Lucas Forced Himself To Write 'Episode III'
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/102729/action/topic#102729
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Jesus, c'mon now. That's silliness. When he was writing the FIRST one he used to chop his own HAIR out of his head because he hated writing so much. It made him anxious. He's ALWAYS hated having to actually write the stuff down. It's why he was so turned on by documentary filmmaking, abstract filmmaking, editing and the likes. He could just pick up a camera, cut together some images, lay some music over, and tell a story without having to use a word.

The fact that he's getting FIVE pages a day done instead of 2 tells me he's IMPROVING--it was EASIER to write this script this time out. To think that forcing yourself to write denotes a lack of passion reveals a total ignorance about the craft of writing. you think writers sit at their desk and orgasm out a chapter a day like it's nothing? It's hard, VERY hard work, to keep plugging along when inspiration isn't striking as fast as you want it to. It's why a lot of writers become alcoholics. It doesn't mean they don't WANT to write the book anymore, just that it's gotten HARDER.

To point to this article--which is pretty lazy writing, itself, couldn't have taken more than 10 minutes, being as most of the quotes come from the "Making of" book, as some sort of proof that he doesnt' care anymore, is silly, straight up. You're just trying as hard as you can to see what you want to see, that's all.
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#99953
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/99953/action/topic#99953
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Originally posted by: klokwerk
My sentiments exactly Darth Chaltab! However, a lot of fan edits exist as a "series". For example MagFan's set. In order to complete it he may feel obliged to do a fan-edit of Episode III. But, from what I've seen/heard/read I believe that III will be the best of the prequels, the darkest SW film and will (I hope) NOT need fan-edits. But, if they are to be done, I'll be curious as to how people go about different things that were already changed in their edits of ep I & II.


None of the fan edits NEED to be done. That's what fast forward and chapter skip buttons are for.

And Magnolia Fan is planning on re-doing the OT as well. Beyond just restoring the theatrical. He's got a plan to make "his vision" of the Star Wars movies, and that involves re-editing Episodes IV-VI to better fit with his edits of I-III. And he's already got plans on how to edit III before he even sees the movie. At this point, quality of the films really has nothing to do with whether he edits or not.

Plus I think it's silly that fans think they're obligated to finish re-editing someone else's movies just for the sole purpose of completing "a set."

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#98376
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BIG BIG question - Episode I; what was the trailer shown before the film at the cinema?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/98376/action/topic#98376
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Remember when TPM came out and Lucas said all the trailers in front of it had to be 30 seconds or less? What an ass!


No, the request was that no more than three trailers total could be attached. 20th Century Fox, realizing this, created a trailer that combined two different combination of 3 30 second ads: Titan AE, The Beach, and either Anna and the King, or Fight Club. So that way, they could get 3 times the trailer exposure than any other company that happened to get their trailers attached to the movie. The 30 second triple trailer idea was all 20th Century Fox, not Lucas.

Not that it really mattered. Lucas also requested that only THX theaters play his movie. Neither request was followed by all the chains. Many of them attached 5 or 6 trailers, and a lot of those screenings were in theaters NOT certified by THX. Although a lot of theaters scrambled to get their screens certified in time.

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#97805
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Why doesn't Lucas do this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/97805/action/topic#97805
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Your joke sucked, dude. If you're gonna go over the top, GO OVER THE TOP. Your "joke" sounded like 95% of the posts here. It's not my fault I misunderstood you, although I apologize for that. If you're going to mock ridiculous garbage like that, you have to MOCK it, not just imitate it dryly. You've got to figure out a way to MAKE your words into that cymbal and rim-shot. I'm not a frigging IDIOT for misunderstanding you, so don't condescend like I am.

I didn't over-react. It was a plain reaction. People act as if directness is substitute for rudeness. It's not. I just think mincing words is a waste of time.

Thanks.
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#97658
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StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/97658/action/topic#97658
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but it appears that the motivations behind changing Star Wars have almost nothing to do with creativity, and everything to do with his divorce from Marcia.

Whoa. That's a new one. I don't buy it for shit, but at least the reasons are new. How would his changing the effects work have anything to do with his divorce from Marcia? There's nothing he's done that's going to a) Remove Marcia's credit from the film b) remove any real editorial input Marcia made into the film c) block any further financial payoff to Marcia as a result of the divorce.

I don't know who you're talking to, but whoever it is, it sounds like the same sort of weird armchair office psychoanalysis that every employee does of his/her boss. And that kind of stuff is typically WAY off.

I've spent a lot of research time trying to figure out the percentage chance that an OT would EVER be released, and I have to tell you I think it's near zero.


You need to get your sources close to Jim Ward. He's been pushing for a re-release of the originals for quite some time now. And chances are he'll get a shot at it either in 2007, or when it goes to HD. It'll eventually happen, whether it'll be anything other than a special feature curio by the time it happens is what's really the question. But Ward (and a lot of people at LFL and Marketing) would like nothing more than to sell yet ANOTHER version of Star Wars back to the people. It's not like they haven't tried.
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#97660
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Why doesn't Lucas do this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/97660/action/topic#97660
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He is slowly adding more and more CGI and slowly removing more and more plot.


that's a shit-poor analysis. What "plot" has been removed from ANY of the SE's besides "Greedo shoots at the same time Han does?" certainly nothing that would qualify as "more and more."

I don't like every change via the SE's and the 2004 updates, and I understand why people don't like them, but to say something as overexaggerated and blatantly stupid as "CGI Shirley Temple" and "we're losing more and more plot" is just histrionic overreaction. And that kind of overreaction is actually WORSE than whatever change made to the movie.
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#97594
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Why doesn't Lucas do this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/97594/action/topic#97594
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Actually, looking at the archives on SW.com, there's a video feature called anatomy of a Dewback. It shows ILM'ers going into the vaults to find negatives and original plates to help graft their effects onto it.

The negatives are in there, and that video pretty much shows where they are. And you get Lucas on camera saying he's saved everything.
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#92678
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/92678/action/topic#92678
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Rik: I don't think the creators want "Mysterious Mysteries" anywhere on stuff you're going to "release."

Maybe just stick in the NFO that these were at FIRST called the "Mysterious Mysteries" and that should clear up all the confusion.

I also thought the name was pretty doofy. "EditDroid" is definitely better.
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#91361
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Idea -- Original Theatrical Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91361/action/topic#91361
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Nope.

"Jedi Scum" was never in the flick. There weren't multiple audio mixes attached to certain prints. The line was "Die, Jedi Dogs" and was never anything else.

It's sort of like how people SWORE they saw Biggs scenes in Episode IV back in 77. Or more closely, how some people SWORE the line in Return of the King during the paths of the dead scene was "That Blade was broken" when it was always "That LINE was broken."
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#90618
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/90618/action/topic#90618
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Are there really Empire and Jedi discs for this set too?

What could have possibly been changed between the theatrical run and home video enough to tamper with the sequels as well?


read back in the thread. The movies themselves haven't been changed, but the creators of this set explain what they did as far as isolated score for those two movies.

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#89935
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Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/89935/action/topic#89935
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Damn, why didn't GL just do a friggin seamless branching of the O-OT and the SE?


Because it's pretty much damn near impossible on the authoring level. The amount of small changes to almost every frame would make swapping back and forth along the line ridiculous. You couldn't author it. The alternate cuts of the Alien films are a LOT less intensive in that manner. Even with the Alien 3 Special Edition. But with the Special Editions of Star Wars? Couldn't do it. Too much is altered for anyone to be able to author a seamlessly branched DVD of the two versions. It'd simply be more cost and time effective to release a separate version.
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#88873
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88873/action/topic#88873
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THEN why even BRING it up in a public forum? - Don't brag about stuff that your not willing to share simple enough right?
That is all I'm saying.....

But how is that bragging? And what Mike Verta's doing...how is that "Rubbing your face in it." Hell, he's TEACHING you how to do it.

TOO many people come in here WAVING stuff in peoples faces saying "I have this and you don't" - and THAT is NOT cool


Who waved what in WHO'S face? Someone came in and said they got a copy, and were going to give it to you. Me and Neil and Gonzo then chimed in to verify what it was. We weren't BRAGGING and waving it around, we were letting you know what was up, on ALL counts, including what the people who MADE it thought. It's not like the people who made it rode in here and said "nanner nanner" and then rode out.

Look, it's not like I'm saying people SHOULDN'T share them. but they shouldn't be made to feel like they HAVE to or else there's something wrong with them. That's just bullshit. I think people should have a little more respect for personal decisions. Hell, why do you think me and Neil and Gonzo didn't really say ANYTHING about these versions on the boards? 1) because we respected the creators enough to know they didn't want a whole bunch of noise surrounding these and 2) we knew it'd be a frigging bloodbath the instant we said anything, and it'd be a mountain of people tugging on our pantsleg to get us to break confidence. And so it was simply easier to stay quiet.

Plus, all this "for the fans" stuff simply comes up false with you, Rik. I'm sorry, it does. You're a good guy, you're eager and energetic as all hell, but I can smell the neediness from here, man. Dial it back a little. It's not about "Bragging" or "getting kudos" or any of that, at least it shouldn't be. And if it really IS "for the fans" then we should ALL be doing what Mike Verta and Zion and MeBe and Laserman and Gonzo are doing and giving people almost STEP BY STEP instructions on how to make THEIR OWN. What's the saying? Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day..teach a man to fish and he'll never go hungry again?

To boil it down: If someone wants to share that they're "preserving" the OT for themselves, why should we yell at them for that. Shouldn't we be cool with it? Isn't that the PURPOSE of this website? I don't think OriginalTrilogy.com is about "Where we come to celebrate the originals..unless you aren't gonna cough em up, then fuck you, and don't tell us about it, greedy." which is essentially how you're coming off.

And if someone DOES want to share it, that's even cooler. And if someone wants to share em AND let us in on HOW they do it, that's TWICE as cool.

But if all we're doing here is sitting around and waiting for some schmuck to stumble in, do all the work so we can give em a fleeting 'yay, thanks" and then discard em once we get their transfer, then we're simply leeches attached to a dead horse as it's beaten.

Beastly: Don't sweat it. I think the problem comes in where people think I'm going insane and flame is shooting out of my eyesockets because I used a cussword. Which isn't so. I guarantee almost everyone here, in the course of their normal day, cusses at least 10 times. Like it's nothing. Like they didn't even know they did it. I dont' understand why people still react to cusswords like that, when I can't even think of a SINGLE person I've EVER talked to in ANY branch of life that hasn't let loose a 4-letter in the middle of a sentence. Not because they were angry, or upset, but simply because that's just how most people talk.

And I seriously doubt there are kids in this forum and even if they are, why should we act as if THIS is something they shouldn't be looking at. I'd rather have them read a couple "motherfuckers" and "Go fuck yourselves" here on this board than to wander into some donkeyshow site or something. Yunno? As if reading a cussword is something NEW to them. There aren't any kids floating around here, man. This is some obsession level type stuff This is the kind of stuff you have to GROW into, to have stick to you for a LOT of years before you decide to dump thousands of dollars on obsolete technology to re-create your childhood

Kids would rather video-game carjack a hooker in than have to do all that shit
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#88796
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88796/action/topic#88796
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The only person I cussed is DanielB. And it's not like no one else wasn't THINKING that shit, anyway. Am I right? C'mon now.

Everything's fine. We're all adults, let's not try and babysit each other, pander and condescend like we need to be handled with kid gloves or something. Zion will decide who's getting antsy and out of hand and who isn't, let's let him do that.

And Beastly, I appreciate that you don't want things to get heated, but now your post asking for peace is completely papering over the points I'm trying to make, and in effect, asking people to NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THEM, and I think it's MORE than a good enough topic of discussion here, those questions I raise. As they go straight to the heart of WHY we're doing this.

Are we really doing it for the fans?
Or are we doing it so we can say we had something to do with ANY sort of release of Star Wars?

Are we doing it just to do it, just for the hell of it, for our own enjoyment?
Or are we doing it so we can take some credit and say "look at me...look what I did?"

Is it philanthropy?
Or Self-Gratification?

I think that's a good set of questions to put forth. Especially in this context, where someone as cool as Rik and as shitty as Daniel are essentially on the same side...I think that's something that should be addressed..Hopefully people won't get too heated, but once again, hopefully people aren't too eager to be babysat or to start babysitting. I trust Zion's judgment.
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#88795
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StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88795/action/topic#88795
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Maybe he figured that everyone bitching at him for not making it the way THEY want it, and then not giving it to them anyway, maybe he thought it wasn't worth it, and he didn't give a crap about whether or not he makes a couple bucks off bunch of spoiled brats anymore?

That cross anyone's mind?

Between this and the whole brouhaha in the "Pre-ANH capture" thread, I'm noticing a sort of group mindset that isn't all that reassuring. It dresses itself up like 'Oh, that's cool,' and 'hey, whatever for the fans, you know?' but as soon as shit gets rocky, that facade drops, and the real shit comes up. and it looks like 'gimme gimme gimme' and if you're not gonna 'gimme' than what the hell are you bothering for? Why are you doing it? What are you showing US for, like WE care, WE don't get anything out of it, it's not gonna put a DVD in MY HAND, so what the hell should I give a flying fuck about what YOU'RE doing?

Hey, and while I'm standing here complaining about how I'M not gonna get anything from YOU, you bastard, why don't I peek over your shoulder and tell you just what's WRONG with the choices you're making, and how they'd be SO much better if you'd only LISTEN TO ME, BECAUSE I KNOW BETTER. And if you'd listen to me, you'd do what I'd say, and that'd include giving me a copy of this,

You know. For the fans.

That said--it is a little screwed up that ADM's T-shirt order is taking that long. But then again, as Mike pointed out himself--you can get that shirt at about 4 or 5 other geek-shirt stores, and maybe THAT had something to do with it, too?