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#121501
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Things you never noticed before in the films
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121501/action/topic#121501
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
There is *no* way Star Wars was anywhere near a G rating, with or without the bodies. I think you are confusing SW with ET, where Lucas added the "penis breath" line to get a PG rating, which was automatic for such language.


actually, Lucas admits to this in "Skywalking," the biography written by Tom Pollock. Getting a G rating WAS a worry at the time. Also, Lucas didn't add "penis breath" to E.T. because Lucas didn't direct E.T, Spielberg did. And I don't think the line was added, it was just part of the script from the beginning, left in because Spielberg liked the authenticity of it--it's how middle schoolers talk.

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#121475
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Info: MagnoliaFan on MF.com
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121475/action/topic#121475
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Well, I will say at MF, there's not really a "majority." You put some thought into your post and back up your argument, even if you're disagreed with, people (well, MOST people, you get that ranty angsty crowd at EVERY board, no matter HOW nice it is) won't come at you with the pointless retardery. Depending on which forum you're doing it in. There are forums there that, for entertainment purposes, are nothing BUT pointless retardery. but you'd have to take a pretty hard left turn to wind up there on accident

A lot of the people who post there aren't exactly huge fans of the prequels, either, and they're people that practically STARTED the place. But if you're not prepared to back up your opinion thoughtfully without relying on the tired cliches that a lot of the old-schoolers there got worn out on back in like, 98, then you're probably going to get some static. That's what a lot of it boils down to. here, you get some leeway with that. Well, you get a LOT of leeway--you get to wish death on the guy who created the universe and made the movies and not even get so much as a sideways glance. But every site has its foibles.
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#121356
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Info: MagnoliaFan on MF.com
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121356/action/topic#121356
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People that just hate, I don't have time for they thrive off of tearing things and people down and want everyone to be miserable like them.


I'm with you, but on the other hand--you kinda do have time for people that just hate--because you started the thread. You devoted the time to a thread on a messageboard that isn't THIS messageboard. So there's kind of the same sort of "having the cake and eating it" as someone saying "If you don't like it, don't watch it" and then saying "But if I don't like it, I'll re-edit it."

It's not hurting anyone, no. And to tell the truth, posts on some other messageboard that no one here reads isn't really hurting anyone, either. I doubt MagFan cares. He's "Best buds" with the LFL kiddies, what does he care that people are criticizing.

And besides--if you're going to put it out there, you have to be ready for the criticism, just like the people who spent the hundreds of millions to MAKE the movies expect the criticism and possibility of some dude on a messageboard making an edit on his home PC. I think part of what makes people react so strongly is that often, people here act as if this site is some sort of oasis from the insanity, but instead, it's just the same insanity, but refracted through a funhouse mirror. For all intents and purposes, MagFan has REPLACED Lucas on this site.

This is a place where, to use the horribly confining and simple terms used at other boards, "Bashers" can go to be "Gushers." Other people who don't understand that are going to react to the weird and contradictory nature of that, and they won't react positively all the time.

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#121211
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Info: MagnoliaFan on MF.com
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121211/action/topic#121211
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Klingon_Jedi hit it on the head about this debate though- if you don't like what you're reading... STOP reading it! Turn the channel!


Here's the problem with that though--if people followed that mindset--THIS PLACE WOULDN'T EXIST. If people didn't like what they were watching, they'd just STOP WATCHING IT. They wouldn't have gone to a laserdisc and figured out the best way to pull information off of it. They wouldn't have sat in front of a program and tinkered with the sound. They wouldn't have hunkered over photoshop and cloned every inch. None of that wouldn't have happened, because they would have just "STOPPED" once they deemed it unlikable enough that out of all the people in the world, THEY needed to change it.

There is no way ANYONE on this board really gets to say "If you don't like it, just don't pitch in" because this whole BOARD is about people who don't like things pitching in. There's no way around it. You can't have it both ways. Yes a lot of people here are civil, but they're civil because they're being just as hostile. Lemme explain: They're just being hostile to a set of people that don't post here, which makes any possible drama go WAY down. And every now and again you have your flare-ups, but for the most part, the reason you're all getting along is that the set of people you're tearing, mercilessly, limb from limb, are people who doesn't post here--and I'm NOT talking about people at other messageboards. This board isn't REALLY all that much better tempered than any other. It just feels that way




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#121150
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What about you? The moment when you "divorced" from the Lucas policy about SW?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121150/action/topic#121150
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May he die a painful death.


Yunno, if I wished death on another forum member here, you think I'd skate with not so much as a WORD in response? And yet the guy who MAKES the movies gets a death wish placed on his head every month and no one says a thing.

Odd.

I began to realize Star Wars films were just movies right around 94 or 95. They're fun as hell, but they weren't able to stand up under the weight of all the pop culture importance that had been ladled on its shoulders. The SE's had quite a few questionable decisions, and that sealed it. The overreaction to those decisions slammed the door and threw nails in it. It became less fun, and what WAS still fun had shifted into something different. For a lot of people online, the focus of online discussions about Star Wars isn't so much to actually DISCUSS Star Wars, it's to assert oneself by way of the movie discussion medium. There's a common ground that people share, and using that common ground, they can wield conversation in a manner that doesn't really draw attention to the movie, but draws attention to their arguments and their argument style.

And for a lot of people, that's fun. It's not ALL of it, but it's gotten to be an increasingly larger part.

But that's right around when I realized the luster was off the paint job, and the new car smell had gone sour
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#121149
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I'm liking the prequels more and more....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121149/action/topic#121149
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I'd give Goldsmith the 2nd under Williams. And then Bernard Herrmann. Elfman reminds me too much of Horner: They recycle--and I mean BLATANTLY recycle--a lot of their earlier scores without so much as a superficial tweak here and there. Granted, the same can be accused of Williams, but I feel he's versatile enough that he can duck that.

Morricone has always been fun, although when he's off, he's WAY off.
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#121146
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Info: MagnoliaFan on MF.com
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121146/action/topic#121146
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I love that this thread asks "What's the deal with the haters," when the entire NOTION of a "phantom edit" is borne out of ..

..

..wait for it..


...PEOPLE HATING!

Ha haaaaaa. Unintentional irony at its finest. but wait, theres more:

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some of people slating had not even seen them.

Just learn to ignore them.


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Though I have not seen his edit, I must say that these people are too harsh.


Whoa HOO. Wait a minute. Where's the post upon post of scornful derision after that last quote? Where's someone saying "just learn to ignore that guy?" It sort of points to the idea that actual QUALITY of the edits sorta takes a backseat to the mental picture of some lowly guy "sticking it to the man" and "making a stand," and that the leeway some people wouldn't give to the movies themselves, they'll give to the edit because it's validating something a little extra important to them. Just like George and Rick probably got a "kick" out of the edits less for the quality of the edits and more because of the effort that went into them.

People there are overreacting with the "call LFL" thing, but then again, no one there is SELLING their shit, either. Which, if you take the time to read critically, is the major difference in their arguments. Yes, it's shades of grey in an endeavour that is sorta shady to begin with, but that's where the heart of the argument lies. And I can see a long and useless sidetrack into the ethics of downloading versus bootlegging and so on and so forth so save that, because it's pretty well assumed if you're coming here, and you own bittorrent, the morality leg is pretty shaky to stand on anyway, especially if you're going to argue that sharing torrent links to a blockbuster movie is worse than selling copies of a homebrewed edit for about 10 bucks profit . It's just going to be a morass of pointless nitpicking.

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If it isn't your thing, if you don't agree with it, why post or peruse or whatever.


Or why spend months upon months re-editing EVERY single Star Wars movie to fit "Your vision" and then spread it all around the internet, like the guy spending all this time, energy and promotional effort trimming and cutting a finished piece of work getting to hang out with Lucas and McCallum. I wonder how strongly he voiced his opinion directly to them, or if he just emailed them a couple links to the threads where he derides and belittles their filmmaking and storytelling qualities in great detail. Now if he came back here and said he HAD done so, THEN I'd be like "oooh" and "aaaah." that's something I'd respect the hell out of. but hell, that Empire magazine quote is so generic, to say it's MagnoliaFan's edit he's talking about is iffy.

I know he hung out at the premiere and talked to them there, but that's all I know. Hell, if some nutbag fan told ME he was at home diligently re-editing movies to distribute to the 1/1000th of the fanbase geeky enough to seek out fanmade alternate edits of finished films, I'm sure I'd smile and nod and send them an appreciative word before I moved onto the next drink and next handshake, too. I mean, how close ARE his ties? Really? I don't think they're THAT close that Rick and George would just be like "ha hahaha so cute" and pat him on the head and then give him another check or something. Sure, I could be wrong, and I probably am, looking at how confidently he speaks on the matter, but I've been hosed on the internet before But even looking at the statements, they're just vague and wishy washy enough that it's left open to interpretation.

speaking of which:

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As far as I know, they've seen "Balance of the Force" and "The Phantom Edit".
I think they liked it


or they could have been paying you lip service because you were nice to them when you met them. who knows.

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Remember, a good chunk of the original Star Wars was born through George's re-editing of old war films to use as an animatic. He was doing re-edits before it was trendy


Let's not spin it too harshly. Lucas didn't distribute his early student editing exercises, either. and his re-editing of war films as an animatic isn't "a re-edit" because he then went in and CREATED SOMETHING NEW out of those early guide tracks. There's a shared similarity, but it's not even close enough to claim its the same thing. I mean, honestly, can anyone here REALLY argue with this statement over at the MF thread we're all so busy burning in effigy?

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As do so many of the "I could do it better" crowd, you completely miss the point.

It doesn't matter whether you say these are the only versions, the better versions, the more satisfying versions, blah blah blah. These aren't your films. You didn't write them, didn't cast them, didn't direct them, didn't produce them. Because YOU'RE happy with your fanboy edit doesn't mean that I'm any more interested in seeing them re-edited than I am in seeing a new fanboy edit of 2001, Jaws, Psycho, Godfather II or ANY other movie, for that matter.

It's nice to have hobbies. But if you're looking for a pat on the head for having them, you'll have to produce something original first.


Where's the argument there? What in that statement is out of place? For that statement is one of the issues at the heart of why people at that, and many other messageboards, dont' give MagFan any slack: He'd get a hell of a lot more respect if he did something CREATIVE and ORIGINAL with those talents an energies, instead of doing something DESTRUCTIVE and REPETITIVE.

Plus, a lot of people still have problems with the creative choices he made as far as storytelling goes, because most of it feels just as empty and hollow as people who didn't like the prequels thought the theatrical releases were. It's just empty and hollow in a different direction. It has the stink of poorly thought out "Fanboy cool" all over em.

But like McCallum said, you gotta give him a hand for being as dedicated as he is. But that's about all I'm giving him a hand for. I'm not saying that to be extra-snide or anything. I really do appreciate that he put that much effort into it. I'm just certain I'd appreciate it more if it was its own thing.

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#106101
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Yeah, its us OLD people George- thanks!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106101/action/topic#106101
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MeBe: On ignore, being as all your debates boil down to you ham-handedly trying to turn everyone's words around in a tedious and boring line-by-line debate style that's older than your grandparents bacon strips. At least the Capt knows how to formulate a response worth a crap without having to rely on 30 different quotes to frame your mindless variations on "I know you are but what am I." Having someone like you insult my intelligence is like being kicked in the shins by a mosquito.

Capt: At least you attempted to explain your outlandish statement, and that's cool, but it still doesn't really hold up--because it wasn't the MONEY that made Michael loopy. He was already loopy. If Michael Jackson had never been famous he'd STILL be a white girl who touches boys, only he'd be buried on page 6 of the Gary Indiana Times instead of on trial.

The reason your comparison breaks down is that the "falling over the edge" you're using as experiences are things that are ACTUALLY CRAZY. Howard Hughes was mentally ill. Michael Jackson is very troubled. They've done things that are pretty abhorrent. George Lucas has tinkered with his movies and gave a theory as to why and how there appears to be two different fanbases for this saga. The comparison fails there. He's done nothing out of the ordinary anywhere NEAR the levels of Jackson or Hughes. Him making movies you don't like is not a indication of his mental health, and it's pretty specious to even go there with that, much less take it to the level where he's brain-addled and seriously damaged in ways that Hughes and Jackson were BEFORE they got famous. THAT is why the comparison looks like slobbering overreaction. I mean--I don't understand why I'm being told to get some perspective and stop reacting poorly when all I'm doing is trying to shine a light on how absurd these comparisons are and how faulty they are at the root.

I can understand a certain level of frustration after not getting what you want. that's perfectly understandable. But to not only make comparisons like this, but to get angry at people who poke holes in them? C'mon. You're setting up the fact that he's done nothing but make kids movies and then set up some sort of CLASS STRUGGLE scenario to support it. And I don't even really see how that applies to the subject of this THREAD even. Lucas offers up a pretty decent analogy as to WHY there appears to be two fanbases for his movies. Somehow, between there and here, we've gone from that to comparisons to crazy people and the suggestion that because Lucas is rich, he's lost touch with 'The common man.' Suddenly we've gone from two fanbases to the communist manifesto.

And I understand that you'd get pissed that I shine a light on how ludicrous that is, how fanatically navel-gazing and mental masturbation the trip from the beginning of this thread to your last post has been, but that doesn't mean I'm invalidating your existence or trying to invalidate your opinions because you're dickheads or whatever.
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#106081
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Yeah, its us OLD people George- thanks!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106081/action/topic#106081
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I find myself thinking that George is only a few steps away from falling off the same 'emotional ly troubled billionaire' pier that Michael Jackson fell off of.


Anyone care to defend this statement without sounding like a total schizoid?

Because comparing his saying "My two trilogies seem to appeal to two different fanbases" to someone who's ON TRIAL FOR MOLESTING CHILDREN seems pretty goddamned far-fetched to me. As a matter of fact, it doesn't even seem to be a comparison. And you're saying it with a straight face.

You also compare him to Howard Hughes. Once again, let's make the direct comparison

"The two trilogies seem to have two completely different audiences." -- George Lucas
"I never leave my bed and have my blood completely replaced with virgin mormon blood every other week, and I hate niggers." -- Howard Hughes.

Yet JOE is the psychotic one. Okay. You're so knee-deep in your overreaction that you can't even OFFER a defense of your wallowing in character assassination. The best you can do is "You're a troll." and "Stop reading it if you don't like it."

It's like you guys KNOW you've gone flying off the deep end, you just don't care.

Is there anything particularly WRONG with his GENERAL characterization of the two fanbases these trilogies seem to have? Because from where I'm sitting--I don't see it. Yes, it's a generality, which means there will be exceptions, and sometimes a fair amount of them, but jesus--I don't think his analogy is that far-fetched. Certainly not to the point where he's seriously compared to a child-molester and a racist modern-day vampire.

And yet JOE is the one with issues that need psychoanalyzing.

I could make this entire thread swallow their own tongues in about 5 minutes with the moronic self-serving histrionics you guys spew daily, but I'm nice and I save my efforts for when you guys go REALLY over the top and need to be spanked for it.
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#104122
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104122/action/topic#104122
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Trooperman: That disc was a Target exclusive. I'm not sure they're still stocked at those Targets, either, it might have been a "one time only" type thing.

Also, that cue wasn't totally cut. It's very audible during that sequence, although yes, it is chopped up a fair amount. But it wasn't deleted. The most easy place to spot it is when Anakin is trapped under the droid arm as the chopping machines are closing in on him.

I would be upset about this, but in a previous post you made it clear that you believe all the problems with AOTC can be fixed with the forward button on the remote control.


You shouldn't be upset about it, partially because Chris Lee is known as one of the best swordsmen ever put to screen, but mostly because the fight AS IT WAS SHOT was pretty good--it suffered in the editing. Blame Burtt and Lucas for that one. Also, a lot of the swordfighting was also done by an expert stunt double himself, so either way--criticizing Christopher Lee's swordfighting shows a mild ignorance of the man's history and the history of the movie itself, knowledge that might serve you well if you're going to go about taking the time to re-edit it for yourself.

And if this swordfight bothers you so much, I wonder what you're planning to do with the ANH swordfight, which is technically the WORST swordfight in the movies. Is that getting axed too, or is the well-written dialog (note sarcasm) too great to consider deleting that, considering your reasoning for deleting Dooku and Yoda?

And aside from your idea that your voice acting is better than Christensen's (a notion I seriously doubt, otherwise you'd be getting paid for it) all you're essentially doing is using your own fast forward button, you're just doing it in a computer and tarting it up a little with some Adobe After Effects.
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#103180
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The Radio Drama DVD project (Original Trilogy) (Completed - Not Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103180/action/topic#103180
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If you want, I can contribute, my edited versions of the Radio Dramas. Did it back in 2000, or 99. Somewhere around there.

I basically took the 13 half hour episodes of the radio drama, cut off the intros and outros to each episode, killing the narration, and mixed together the episodes so they became 4 70 minute parts. I did it pretty seamlessly, I believe. The opening fanfare kicks off part one, and the closing credits ends part 4. Essentially, what you get is a more cinematic version of the Radio Drama, that I think flows a little easier and doesn't break up the mood into 22 minute chunks bookended by credits and narration.

I've done the same for Empire (10 episodes into 3 parts) and Jedi (6 episodes into 2 parts)

If you'd rather stick that on there, I'm pretty much officially volunteering it.
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#103217
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New rumor - Hayden to dub over James Earl Jones for future SW DVDS!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103217/action/topic#103217
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I don't know where Solo/Jones HEARD this rumor, but it's nowhere worth a crap, I can say that. I'm half inclined to put forth the idea the "Rumor" was him sitting around and thinking about how to make Lucas look like a douchemouth--and he came up with this

Seriously though--it's not happening. No one anywhere has actually SAID it's happening, and the prospect has never even been APPROACHED anywhere on the internet until just now, in this thread.
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#102882
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This might be Old News, but I've not seen it: new SW series on TV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/102882/action/topic#102882
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Most of that is bunk. Story originated from TheForce.net, and has been picked up by a few other net 'zines, but Paul Ens from Starwars.com has already gone on record as saying regardless of what Amy Allen might or might not have said at a convention, Aayla Secura is not going to be in any TV show for reasons that will become clear once Revenge of the Sith is released.

the 100 episodes prediction is just a safe bet--since 100 episodes is the magic "Syndication" line that guarantees the show will continue to make money for years to come.

Another weird bit of nonsense is the idea that Lucas is going to direct the ENTIRE first season. Nope. Not happening.

Sorry--filmforce, imdb, and TFN don't really have a clue what they're talking about here.