The Bizzle

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Post: #139398
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/139398/action/topic#139398
Time: 18-Sep-2005 4:44 PM

That wasn't anywhere NEAR harsh. It was blunt, but it wasn't harsh. I managed to criticize his stuff without using the words "horrible" and "Sucks." didn't I?

Post: #139387
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/139387/action/topic#139387
Time: 18-Sep-2005 3:25 PM

You need to put in a LOT more practice in Photoshop before you start slapping things up on the internet for people to judge. I understand you're eager, but you need a LOT more time and work.

pay close attention to some of the covers in here, and then look really closely at yours and you should be able to see what you need to work on.

Post: #139322
Topic: Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Story Rewrite (deleted information)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/139322/action/topic#139322
Time: 18-Sep-2005 1:52 AM

I want to write my own heroic tale; create my own mythos, but I wanted to start with something I know.

And that's either going to stunt or trap you. You don't need to offer an alternative this involved when you criticize a movie or a book. Otherwise Ebert would be directing movies and the New York Book Review would write bestsellers. But they don't. I mean, you've done like 10 drafts combined on these two things, and it's all a sort of tainted creativity. It's inhibiting your skills, not growing them. I understand the rationalizations you're giving me, but they're just that: rationalizations. Especially in the face of how much time and energy you're pouring into this.

it's not as if you NEED to do mental gymnastics to figure out some kids movies. You can just go "eh" and pour that energy, that time, and creativity into your OWN stuff instead. There. It's resolved. Life is too short, and movies, ultimately, too inconsequential, to spend this much time "fixing" something in your mind, especially when there are so many other movies, stories and books that you can jump into. It's an option you seem not to have considered. You'd rather lean very heavily on an unnecessary crutch; trapping yourself in another man's mental playground. It's like a baby learning to walk on the Andrea Gail. If you get off the ship, you're going to walk funny. But chances are you're going to sink anyway, if you stick with this line of "practice."

It's one thing to recognize flaws in other people's work. That's why most writers tell you to read constantly--eventually the structure, the internal logic of the stories will become as obvious to you as a roadmap printed in neon ink. You'll understand WHY the story works the way it does. And it sounds like you're doing that with Star Wars, for as much as you've immersed yourself in that universe. The trick is to not, unnecessarily, CONFINE yourself to that universe. And that's what you're doing.

Like I said, you've got good ideas. I think you're just a little too eager to kneecap yourself before you can implement em.

Post: #139202
Topic: Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Story Rewrite (deleted information)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/139202/action/topic#139202
Time: 17-Sep-2005 5:11 PM

Then it truly would have been a waste of time.

It is a waste of time. What's the reasoning behind it? I can sorta understand a fan-edit, because then there's an actual MOVIE to watch, there's an end result that works in the same medium the original does. but this isn't even an infinities thing. I don't know what it is. If you want to exercise your writing skills, re-writing, in prose form, the story behind a finished film, is possibly one of the poorer ideas I've heard of.

and I think this is nicer than if I actually critiqued your writing. You've got ideas but I don't think you're actually taking the time to learn how to implement them correctly. it's sort of like the dude in the covers thread who obviously hasn't gotten the knack of photoshop yet, but his faith in his idea is making him post up some pretty shoddy stuff. It's nice that you feel so passionately about your idea, but you need to step back and look at it from a different angle than INSIDE of it. And when you do that, I think you'll realize writing a fan-fiction retcon prose version of a finished movie, not a movie novel, not a movie screenplay, but a finished MOVIE, is actually a pretty big waste of time, regardless of how passionately you want to pursue the idea, in spite of how limited your experience is with the tools you need. I mean, I've read your reasoning, but it doesn't really fit with what you're actually doing. It looks like what you're doing tends to serve this purpose:

a) You want to see your name credited next to the words "Star Wars" in some capacity
b) You want to prove yourself as a storyteller
c) you want to criticize the movies without having to settle for something as ultimately ineffectual as a movie review.

unfortunately, you've shortchanged yourself by assuming reading Joseph Campbell and watching the Star Wars movies a lot is going to automatically put you in Lucas' headspace, and the mode you've tried to use as some sort of elaborate film criticism is even MORE ineffectual than a poorly written review. I mean--what are you going to do with this thing when you're done? Make it a script? Then what? A script is a recipe for a MOVIE. You gonna reshoot the movies? Turn it into an "Infinities" comic book instead? Unless you can get to THAT point somewhere along the line, this is a wholly fruitless endeavor. Now, of course, if this was a wholly ORIGINAL story of yours, in your own universe with your own characters, that'd be something completely different. But it's not.

that's pretty constructive criticism, I think.

Post: #139095
Topic: Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Story Rewrite (deleted information)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/139095/action/topic#139095
Time: 17-Sep-2005 1:00 AM

I'd abandon the story altogether, and write your own. Sorry.

Post: #137930
Topic: Copyright of the OT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137930/action/topic#137930
Time: 10-Sep-2005 5:42 PM

He owns the OT, it was part of the deal struck with Fox to distribute the prequels. And even then, he already had the rights to ESB and ROTJ, it was just ANH he didn't have television rights to. He now has all television, rebroadcast, and home video and theatrical rights to all 6 movies. imdb isn't exactly the most accurate source when it comes to Star Wars, for whatever reason.

Post: #137596
Topic: If George made eps 4-6 now, who would he cast?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137596/action/topic#137596
Time: 8-Sep-2005 9:26 PM

Considering Lucas cast mostly unknowns, it'd be hard to guess who he'd cast now for these roles, but I think he'd stay away from too big a name:

Luke Skywalker: Adam Brody
Leia Organa: Zooey Deschanel
Han Solo: Clive Owen
Obi Wan Kenobi: Liam Neeson
Grand Moff Tarkin: Tom Wilkinson
Lando Calrissian: Derek Luke
Darth Vader: Michael Clarke Duncan
The Emperor: Michael Gambon

Post: #134097
Topic: Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/134097/action/topic#134097
Time: 29-Aug-2005 10:43 PM

It's impossible to preserve the surprise. You'd have to edit out Ben's speech to luke in Episode IV to do it.

Post: #132700
Topic: Idea: a Star Wars SuperTrailer?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132700/action/topic#132700
Time: 22-Aug-2005 3:19 PM

Yeah, that was very cool. Set to "Duel of the Fates," right?

Post: #132682
Topic: Idea: a Star Wars SuperTrailer?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132682/action/topic#132682
Time: 22-Aug-2005 1:25 PM

I think the idea that a trailer should essentially be a mini-movie is weird. We've already seen the movie at this point. There's no reason to just do a scene by scene remake in 6 minutes. Why not do something a little more creative than just following the order of the movies. The actual trailers for each movie don't do that, they jumble up scenes and sequences to best match the music they're using.

Post: #132395
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132395/action/topic#132395
Time: 21-Aug-2005 7:01 AM

thanks for that man, it's appreciated.

Post: #132368
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132368/action/topic#132368
Time: 21-Aug-2005 12:20 AM

site works fine, and allows the download, and maybe it's just because I'm running mozilla, but I'm getting no popups or spyware installations, either. Maybe you're just not waiting for the countdown clock to hit zero before you download? According to the page 2 people have already successfully downloaded it.

You got some extra webspace you're not doing anything with? Cuz I don't. So there we are

Post: #132363
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132363/action/topic#132363
Time: 20-Aug-2005 11:49 PM

Here's a link to a zip file containing all six saga covers I posted earlier, with minor mistakes corrected. I suggest taking this to Kinko's and wasting THEIR ink instead of yours

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=18QY5II8

Post: #132356
Topic: Idea: a Star Wars SuperTrailer?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132356/action/topic#132356
Time: 20-Aug-2005 11:06 PM

lucasfilm's "Celebrate the Saga" trailer 6 movie trailer (gotta be a hyperspace member, or know someone who is) : http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/video/23.html

Fan Made Prequel Trilogy Trailer: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=03Z2XQQZ

the Rowman Bonus Feature DVD's have a couple original Original trilogy trailers with that "For the last time ever" tag on em, too.

Post: #131598
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/131598/action/topic#131598
Time: 18-Aug-2005 1:09 AM

Decent covers, at least.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/349/icepisodeifatboycovers0og.jpg

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5532/icepisodeiifatboycovers0ho.jpg

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4634/icepisodeiiifatboycovers9ik.jpg

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5581/icepisodeivfatboycovers1ss.jpg

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3286/icepisodevfatboycovers4hv.jpg

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3927/icepisodevifatboycovers2bf.jpg

Grisan's site is down, couldn't upload any of em. I printed out the original trilogy ones, downloaded Rowman's bonus discs, paired em up with the Editdroid set, and I think that's a pretty good 6 disc set..could even be the standard there, actually. Editdroid + Rowman set.

These covers are so non-descript, though, you can shove anything in em. Edits, re-edits, definitive, faces, anamorphic--no fussing with names and versions. Just slap it in there.

Post: #131552
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/131552/action/topic#131552
Time: 17-Aug-2005 10:28 PM

I never said I made em. As a matter of fact, I posted the original trilogy ones in this thread around page 30 or something and credited "Fatboy Roberts" there. just figured people would remember, that's my bad.

You're no fan of his, huh?

Post: #131534
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/131534/action/topic#131534
Time: 17-Aug-2005 9:03 PM

They'll be uploaded to Grisan's site if he's still got that automatic upload thing going on.

Post: #131404
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/131404/action/topic#131404
Time: 17-Aug-2005 12:19 PM

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/4318/e10bm.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/182/saga9yq.jpg

Post: #131345
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/131345/action/topic#131345
Time: 17-Aug-2005 1:56 AM

I just scrolled through this thread, I wanna say about 4 times in a row, and missed the post where someone said what program is used to make the covers look like they're folded around a case. I know someone posted a link SOMEWHERE on this board, I just can't find it.

Post: #131279
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/131279/action/topic#131279
Time: 16-Aug-2005 10:51 PM

From what I understand, Rowman intended for the Bonus Discs for 4, 5, and 6, to be, essentially the 2nd discs for the EditDroid collection. Same menu design and everything. So you probably wouldn't NEED a case, you'd just get a 2-disc case for the editdroids, and put the Rowman bonus discs for 4, 5, and 6 in those.

Post: #131277
Topic: THE FAN EDIT CONTEST HAS A WINNER !!! REVIEWS IN OFF TOPIC FORUM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/131277/action/topic#131277
Time: 16-Aug-2005 10:39 PM

Well, there really is no reason for him to type in all caps.

That said, who would be a more impartial judge than I?

PM is coming.

Post: #130301
Topic: Magnoliafag and Dickter
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130301/action/topic#130301
Time: 12-Aug-2005 8:05 AM

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MBJ, there have been rumors floating around for a few years, at least, that Kevin Smith is the real person behind the Phantom Editor/MagnoliaFan. It's been disputed, but not convincingly

Oh, it's been very convincingly disputed, people just choose not to believe it. Kevin Smith never edited a Star Wars movie. He LIKED Phantom Menace. He was also busy writing about 3 different movies, plus some comics, and prepping his own flicks at the time. Besides which, Mags here has already admitted he basically taught himself what he was doing on his edits, and improved from there. He's not someone who's already made 3 films by the time TPM came out.

MagnoliaFan is not Kevin Smith. He's just a guy who enjoys his geek references, and knew what he'd be getting into by making an edit available on the internet, and knew what the response would be, so he headed everyone off at the pass and named himself after an anonymous internet asshole from a movie about anonymous internet assholes

I always thought that was, honestly, the best part about his edits.

The Kevin Smith fixation has always been a little weird to me. Just because he drops some jokes in a movie doesn't mean he's going to set aside time in his schedule to re-edit a movie he thought was fine as it was.

Post: #128614
Topic: Magnoliafag and Dickter
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128614/action/topic#128614
Time: 7-Aug-2005 5:21 PM

Quote
Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
No one seems to really consider a reaction grounded in reality.
ie: "It was interesting... I liked how you made Watto sing.", etc.

yeah, but that's just how the internet works. There's not enough room for middle ground between all the donkey porn and star wars stuff

And as critical as I've been, I dont' think I ever said it was evil incarnate...

Post: #128401
Topic: Magnoliafag and Dickter
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128401/action/topic#128401
Time: 6-Aug-2005 9:30 PM

thanks for the clarification. whaddya know, it WAS beacuse of his edit. But my other statements still stand. Hell, he doesn't even know who invited him

Which, I gotta admit, makes it cooler.

Post: #128351
Topic: Magnoliafag and Dickter
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128351/action/topic#128351
Time: 6-Aug-2005 4:20 PM

On the subject of the Magnolia Fan invite to The Ranch.

Keep in mind--Lucas isn't the only person that invites people to The Ranch and just because someone DOES get an invite doesn't mean it was run by George first. The fact the guy went to a premiere on the Ranch means nothing but he knows people who know people who work there. It's not like George Lucas bends over a desk and addresses envelopes himself, nor does he actually draw up lists. Plenty of people have been to the ranch. I'm pretty sure Mags invitation was more a coincidence or a lucky break of "who you know" than it was a "Reward" for his editing, which is how many here choose to see it.

I know two or three people who got invited to the Ranch, and Rick McCallum and George Lucas have said nice things in passing to them, too. It didn't mean Lucas and McCallum INVITED THEM, or even knew they were there before they met. Because they didn't know who they were, or why they were there, and they certainly didn't invite them personally.

People here are reading entirely too much into McCallums offhand comment (it's very possible McCallum isn't very familiar with the endless variations of edits, he just knows there's a bunch of em) and I think it has a lot to do with--despite everyone's simmering distaste of the man--seeking ol Lucas' approval. the man is reviled to the 4 corners of the board, but he's trumpeted as the be-all end all authority when it looks like he MIGHT have approved of something someone here did. Odd dichotomy, there.

Just something to keep in mind.