Telion

timdiggerm said:

O00ll00O said:

Darth Sadifous said:

Honestly, my number one ask is to replace that matte painting shot when Han is departing with the strike team and talking to Lando with the falcon in the background. It is the most obvious matte shot in the entire saga in my opinion. I am still shocked Lucas didn’t tinker with it during the special edition. Especially in HD it always stands out to me like a sore thumb to me.

It’s hardly noticeable

https://imgur.com/a/AVXdzmD

I think the problem is they used a matte for the entire backdrop. They usually work a lot better when there’s other objects that help blend in to it. Like if the Falcon was a model, the rest as a matte wouldn’t be so bad. That poor ship is rough looking though.

https://youtu.be/hFadMn0EuO0?t=220

I think it’s a lot worse in motion. Also, the left side behind Lando looks so flat. And something is weird with the perspective, especially if you focus on the bottom of the frame when they start moving around near the end of the shot.

There are serveral glaring issues with the shot. Although it is a beautiful matte, it does not look realistic in motion. Looking at this it definatly seems like a reshoot (or a way to comp to two actors into one shot becuase they weren’t there on the same day?), becuase they clearly had a set scene in the two closeup shots. But it has a massive inconistancy in ship placements from hanger establishing shot, to the wide with Lando and Han, the falcon is facing a different way. Then when Han walks of screen to the shuttle, it is on a completely different side of the hanger. The whole sequence is messed up start to finish.
On third viewing im wrong about how the ship placement is wrong, it more that there isn’t enough space for the location where Han and Lando talk, based on the Establishing shot, as its meant to be in the lower right corner, between the two ships, but there is something off about the scale/lighting/preportions of those shots, whihc is why that section reads badly, IMO.

losthead said:

I think a few of the shots he presented could be included together. If it only appears once, then it not appearing for the rest of the battle breaks up that continuity

I think the point of an easter egg is that they are sublte enough that in missing them, they aren’t missed. So I doubt if it done right (if at all), only being in one shot would make its absance in others notable.

I mean, I like it, it balances the iconic sounds of chatter static with that fact that in every other film there is no such loss of communications, even across systems. That said it could be down to te empire jaming them? Idk it didn’t sound bad imo anyways.

That guy with no name said:

Tobar said:

Rather than spoil it with an image I’ll just say he’s about 21 minutes into the film.

Is it in this shot?

OMG I had no idea!! He soo tiny never even knoticed him… Now thats how you add an easter egg to a film, without it feeling like a slap in the face with a wet haddock.

That guy with no name said:

G&G-Fan said:

He said it wouldn’t be in the HD version.

from adywan’s website

Easter egg aside, I feel artistically it balances the frame nicely. You have R5; bright white to the two thirds mark, on an almost black background. Now you get the light tan to covering the first third. Its lighter than the backround but as its tan it does’t distract from the brightest thing in frame (R5). I like it.

Jackpumpkinhead said:

I know it would be lots of work, but I wish you could implement this process for the lightsaber scene so there was red and green light on Luke and Vader

https://youtu.be/x8ldAhmTTX0?si=oduH9mI4Hn0rgDg3

Its an interesting technology but clearly not there yet. You can see that the reshade isn’t temporaly stable, like early deepfakes.

Braltika said:

Telion said:
You can give me back my beer now xD

Depends on the beer :p

Great analysis, cheers! It was a bit too simplistic how I presented it, I admit. I just always “felt” the SSD was way too small in that impact shot. Your math confirms it. For the SSD be that size in the shot and from that camera point, it would definitely crash beyond the ‘horizon’. Not an exiting angle so I’m curious what Ady will do.

Yeah, it was a good spot though, with the scaling issues. The destruction did always feel a bit, underwhelming and I think you hit the nail on the head why. The SSD was to small. Idk how up to date it is but Adywan did have “New super-stardestroyer destruction.” on his changes list. So time will tell.

That guy with no name said:

Telion said:
You can give me back my beer now xD

do you mean bear?
but nice work anyway. hope Adywan sees this.

Ahahah that orginal 3am post strikes back, thanks xD

Braltika said:

Okay so I did some “math” and some “best as i can lining up” and came up with this:

I used the relative and “real life” scale of the Gun Tower and SSD to calulate their distance from the camera and each other.

So as you can see as it is a sphere the curviture is less noticable as you get closer to the surface which you couldn’t demonstrate with a circle as it would always be tangental to the horizen. The other by-product is that due to how far away the SSD “is” from the camera it actually would have impacted beyond the horizen.

There are three solutions to this:

1. Increase the scale of the SSD (bringing it closer)
2. Move the camera back (increasing the curviture of the DS2)
3. Do whatever Adywan has planned (which will inevitably be better than options 1 and 2)

You can give me back my beer now xD

Braltika said:

Sorry if this has been addressed before but Ady mentioned he will make a better SSD Executor crash into the Death Star II. Will you fix the scaling of them? DS II is way too huge in this shot.

Using data I found online I made a quick mock-up of how the DSII curvature should look as the Executor crashes into it.

Hope you will consider this, if not, no problem!

Don’t quote me, but im pretty sure its not as simple as plotting it against a circle. I beleive distance and angle of the camera (both from the DS and SSD) needs to be taken into account and it need to be modeled againt a sphere. Hold my bear.
But you might have to wait a while its late and I need sleep. I will fact check myself tomorrow tho.

adywan said:

EEWWgghh. That 2020 speia grade is… something. And wow the pop in revisteted HD is remarkable. Chef’s kiss

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Probably just timing and pacing reasons. The movie already spends an obscene amount of time on Tatooine rescuing Han. They could have easily done it with about 10 minutes of screen time and saved more room for the good stuff, which is the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes. Which is why I’ve never been a huge fan of Episode 6.

Here what you’re saying, and agree with you but Idk if more might be less. Like the Luke v Vader v Palp stuff is so good, in part due to how well its paced, more might just add bloat. The issue ROTJ has is there is little to now act two, it goes from Tatooine to some lil scenes on Dagobah and Home one, then its stright to Endor and speeder chases straight into act three. Its bloated act one, truncated act two that make the film drag.

adywan said:

Having the original video play alongside the new grading can really throw the look of the new grade out. I can assure you the skin tones are not yellow shifted. I noticed a trend a while back to add too much green into grading and give skin tones especially that orange, yellow look. The 2020 ROTJ blu-ray really suffers with yellow skin tones in places. Nowadays it seems to be the trend to make the films look dull and desaturated. I hate these looks so i’m not going down that route.

Fair dooodles, I trust your eye, it hasn’t lead astry before. And wow the luster in the red of the Emperor’s Guards is sweet.

That guy with no name said:

your gonna have to keep in mind there in a desert, they gonna have to look somewhat yellow. even though I don’t personally think it’s that bad.

If you’re talking tanned, then Han has only just been unfrozen so he wouldn’t have one, even if Luke and Leia had been on Tatooine for some time and gotten one. But even so they look more yellow than they did in ANH:R SD and Luke had been living on Tatooine fro years then. But Ik there has been yellow tinting from compression before and I’m sure it wont look worse than the BR.

As always amazing to see you work come together. Its hard to see the issues in stills by boy when its in motion that static grain hurts. As far as colours though, its nice to see the saturation back, with a beautiful blue sky again. However, I feel like the skin tones are suffering from over yellowing. I know your basing you colours on 4k83 (at least in part) who used original cinema reals to restore from, but I’ve always thought they never accounted for UV exposure in there clean up.
Those reals sat through who know what in the intervining years and weren’t exactly Lucasfilm Archives pristine when they picked them up. Fact is all the skin tones look too yellow, especially when you compare them to the other films, at least on youtube (which Ik doesnt always preserve information the best.
I’m no going to pretend I know anything about colourgrading film, but it doesn’t look right to me, if its not fixable or you don’t agree, thats that.
Anyhow, great to see some ROTJ stuff again, I still think you diserve a chewie medal.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Adywan, or anybody making an edit of ROTJ, is free to use these:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zlE34aGJd-yL0S_f52YbJwPko4fPAUQb?usp=sharing

If for whatever reason these two particular takes of the line aren’t up to snuff I’ll add more.

Impressive most Im- okay that ones old. I remeber a few years ago people were trying this and it was janky, but holy moley thats flawless (to me ear at least). Insane, I can’t beleive we live in an age were we have access to this technology.

adywan said:

And you! I can’t beleive the BBC rick rolled us into the new year xD

What an Christmas present Ady!
Merry X-wing-mas and happy new year everyone!!!

adywan said:

It’s ok, i just loaded up an older version of the file when i was doing the comparisons for the gifs. The reflections are there in the main edit timeline:

I’ve replaced the incorrect version with the correct one in the original post.

OMG you don’t miss a trick do you?
ahahaha, Ace!

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Battle of yavin was good.
ANH:R battle of yavin was great.
I never knew it could look any better…

OMFG 😮

Adywan,
Happy Birthday, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Easter and May the Fourth be freaking with you. You diserver every good thing that will ever happen to you. I hope you’re having a wonderful day.

Fullmetaled said:

Just for this talk the edit is delayed indefinitely. 😃

Lol, well techniacally it already is, as work has stopped on rotj:r until Adywan finishes anh:r which has no definitive eta.

That guy with no name said:

Telion said:

DZ-330 said:

Any thoughts on updating Shaw’s ghost appearance? Canonically, Anakin is supposed to be around 45 years old-ish, but has a full head of gray. Not that it would be essential, but what if his hair was a little longer or colored darker?

I do beleive from the many post that have come before on this thread he will be Sebastian Shaw unedited, whether anywan will do any wizardry to make him look younger I doubt. It does make sense to do so tho (seeing as he was 78 in ROTJ and Alec was only 69(nice)) as he looks older than Obi Wan which makes little sence regardless of which films you follow the cannon of.

That said I doubt Ady will as he has prently more than enough to be getting on with is both this and his ANHR:HD edits. Is a nice idea tho.

Adywan’s quote from last month: “Never going to happen. ROTJ:R will be a “Hayden Free” edition.”

Yeah, thanks for the quote but Hayden’s exlution has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.

DZ-330 said:

Any thoughts on updating Shaw’s ghost appearance? Canonically, Anakin is supposed to be around 45 years old-ish, but has a full head of gray. Not that it would be essential, but what if his hair was a little longer or colored darker?

I do beleive from the many post that have come before on this thread he will be Sebastian Shaw unedited, whether anywan will do any wizardry to make him look younger I doubt. It does make sense to do so tho (seeing as he was 78 in ROTJ and Alec was only 69(nice)) as he looks older than Obi Wan which makes little sence regardless of which films you follow the cannon of.

That said I doubt Ady will as he has prently more than enough to be getting on with is both this and his ANHR:HD edits. Is a nice idea tho.

That guy with no name said:

losthead said:

Technically he should look like Vader, armor and all. That’s a hill I will die on.

he’s not Vader anymore, he’s back to being Anakin. the humanity that the emperor hid behind the mask has been revealed.

Should still look like a deep fried mars bar, all be it a redeemed one.

Ryrynz said:

Tarkin & Leia looking lobsterish, skin tone needs to be reigned in a touch

If by ‘lobsterish’ you mean red, then they look fare less red than their blu-ray counterparts. They aren’t as yellow as they are in the theatre film scans, that that wasn’t a true colour grade.