Telion

.Mac. said:

Alright a new clip! Thank you for sharing, Ady! And in typical fashion, here is one of my long posts 😄

Regarding the 3PO/sand crawler shots, couldn’t speak much about filmmaking rules so I’d defer to the folks who know that stuff better, but I will say this: Did I find it jarring? A bit at first, but I think that was just because of how used to the original I am. Did I feel lost as a viewer? Nope, in fact I could confidently draw and label a triangular map. Can or should the 180 rule be broken in this instance? That I’m not sure, but if there is a possible way to avoid it then that might be ideal. So take that as you will 😃

There is another shot I am hoping to bring attention to and it’s the one with R2 heading to the mountains immediately after parting with 3PO. Does anyone else notice how the mountains ahead appear to be less detailed in the Revisited:HD than the Official version? Here’s an image:

At first I thought it had to do with the blue atmospheric haze that was applied, but then I see at the bottom that the ripples in the sand are also less obvious. I rewatched the original Revisited and that has the details just fine. Here’s an image from the original Revisited:

Thought this would be worth mentioning, just in case 😉

And while we’re on this shot, if I may, from an artistic perspective, I have to admit I do prefer the mountains of the Official better for its dusty brownish color over the R:HD bluish color. I understand it’s because of the atmosphere, but the current dark blue hue does give the mountains a bit of a lush appearance, as if there is much vegetation (which of course there’s not 😄 ), whereas the dusty brown more clearly gives that dry and arid look as it should. So perhaps maybe just a little more brown and less blue could make all the difference? Even if more like the original Revisited in the above image. A constructive feedback at least worth considering I hope!

Now as for this next part, I had a long debate with myself if I should even bring it up or not, but since I’m already here, I my as well and let the chips fall as they may. And no worries if anyone disagrees 😃

Let me first say I really do like the pretty, vibrant blue skies! That rich blue is striking and really pops against the sand, better than the Official’s mostly-colorless sky for sure. But… there is also the other part of me that thinks it could actually be too rich of a blue for Tatooine skies (most notably during the “Look sir, droids” and the sand crawler shot after that). Hear me out. Imagine if this blue hue were, overall, dialed down to be more of a light-blue with a slight hint of cyan, like how it was in the original Revisited, as a perfect example:

And for reference this is how it is currently in the Official and R:HD:

Notice how the original Revisited sky is somewhere between the Official and R:HD in color, which I feel could actually be the sweet spot for a normal sunny day on Tatooine. Then, what if that same deep blue color was instead applied to Yavin 4 and/or Endor, making it a noticeable and deliberate contrast to Tatooine. Indeed this makes sense from an artistic and storytelling standpoint by making a desert planet all the more different from the other planets we’ll see. And before anyone says “Earth has variations of blue skies,” yes I know and also know Tunisha can have vibrant blue skies too, but once again, from an artistic and storytelling point of view, I’d point out it’d look great to give each planet their own little idiosyncrasies, which is what makes a lot of these planets in Star Wars so great and memorable, even if it’s something as simple as what’s happening with the sky (such as Bespin always having beautiful clouds during the day and evening [which on a side note, if I’m completely honest, I might’ve preferred not seeing some of those beautiful clouds again for Tatooine, such as during the first good look of the sand crawler when the two gorgeous moons would have sufficed, but I admit that might be nitpicky]). But, Ady, if you are perfectly happy with how your Tatooine sky currently looks then you keep it - you’ll just have to forgive me as I tend to speak my mind from time to time 😄

I’ll finish this post by saying how I loved your attention to detail on everything else, Ady! Others have already spotted the various other fixes but I haven’t seen anyone yet mention the small blink-and-miss flash you added to the approaching sand crawler (for when the sun hits the cockpit windows), which is of course in homage to the flashing from the OG original (but not in the original Revisited). Chef’s kiss on that! Btw, I wonder if I was the only one, as a kid, who thought those flashes were actually hazard lights, lol.

Yeah I gotta admit I agree for the most part, while the 2020’s colour a mess and totaly devoid of detail, the R:HD sky is definally feeling a little blue. For an arid world where moister has to be farmed from vaporators having lots of heavy clouds in deep blue skies does feel out of place. And unusal place where a bit more cyan wouldn’t go amiss.

KumoNin said:

Excellent work!!

If I may, I think I do understand the intention behind the shot mirroring that unfortunately caused the continuity error. The sandcrawler is on the left side of the screen, so it makes more sense visually to have threepio looking and waving toward screen left. The new version is therefore a bit jarring.

Love the other changes!

I kind of get what your saying bu also remeber 3PO is looking towards camera, so if he is looking towards camera left when the shot flips to show from his perspective what he would be looking at would be on the right. So flipping him to look right actually makes more sense as now he is looking to his left which is where the crawler is.

I love clip time!
And this one is a beauty. I am honestly flawed that you rotoed 3PO, i genuinly thought it was an alternative shot or something, absolutly flawless. And im realy happy to see the B1 head is back! It was just a tasteful nod the first time and a joy to see it again.

G&G-Fan said:

Apparently Luke’s force kick was intentional!

With this info, I honestly hope it’s kept in Revisited.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but this image does not explicetly show that, neither does the text. The story board is clearly from after the kick has happened, so weather or not it was intended as a force kick, is indeterminable. Interstingly however, it does indicate that the guard luke kicks was intended to have a staff weapon rather than a blaster, which may explain why the stage kick was so obvious. You see if the guard had had a staff, he would have needed to step into to “attack” luke, and then be “pushed back” by the kick. Instead, in the final shot, he has a blaster and so just stands there while mark kicks the air where the guy would have been if he had moved in with a staff. So idk what happened but I imagine either before rolling or between takes the guy ended up with a blaster not a staff and the rest is history.

oh_riginal said:

https://youtu.be/xPZigWFyK2o?si=T6kamsDQXcdtyT2G

In this clip, at around 5:36, there’s a moment from the Falcon’s cockpit view where it seems Lando has steered the ship to avoid hitting a wall, but the elements used for the ships in front of the Falcon move sideways along with the Falcon’s view in perfect unison, and this has always bothered me. It seems to just be a limitation of the effects at the time. I wonder, Adywan, do you see what I am talking about? And are there any plans to attempt a fix?

Also, does anyone even see what I’m talking about?

I think i see what you mean, And yes the mostion seems a little off however, it looks to me like the X-wing and A wing both move slightly before the POV as if they to were avoiding the obstical. Its a guess but maybe how they did this was use the same motion control sequence for all three elements then play them slightly out of sink, however for a couple of seconds in the middle the movement of the A-wing sinks up with the movement of the POV camera. Thats my guess. Good spot for sure.

Thank you for assembling this, I love what pixeljoker is doing but it’s very hard to keep track of so this is super useful!

Glenwood said:

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adywan said:

Something i promised to show a while ago but ended up completely forgetting about, was the shot of Luke’s shuttle escaping the Death Star. So here it is:

That shot took a hell of a lot of work. I had to slow down the gantry and other elements, yet keep the camera movement and the shuttle at the original speed, then track and add the new background. Couldn’t use the original stars to track because they suddenly stop their movement before the end in the original.

Amazing work, sorry to hear about your tech, I suppose its like a overworked pack horse, just can’t handle all the work you put it through xD.

I feel like ady only ever heard the “do” part of yoda’s line. He only do, never do not, never try.

Braltika said:

Aye, I understand that and I’ve been following the project since before the release of his ANH (just not on this site so yes, it might have been discussed in the earlier 149 pages). His edit ‘philosophy’ so far has been to do better colour grades, enhance the SFX and somewhat revert the SE changes. It’s not listed in his initial post for VI that he wishes to alter the Tatooine part besides getting rid of the horrible SE additions, fix SFX and goofy stunt work. Also no mention of adding deleted scenes (which I believe would be near impossible at this moment, even with the current A.I. tech around).

So yes, it’s an honest question really, I was not trying to police the conversation here, sorry if it came across that way 😃

For sure, he has mentioned some stuff like Boba’s death, removing goofy droid scenes etc and yeah i can’t see anything else in that first post. I know Ady’s refined his vision since then, and given updates on that throught the thread (for instance bruried in this thread he has stated he will not add deleted scenes). Not sure if he has updated the first post or not. But yeah, i agree his philosaphy has alway seemed to be keeping the edits as light as possible and keep a consitant technical quality (colourgrading, fixing static grain, avoiding dnr etc), but there is no doubt this is his biggest project yet, with the most extensive changes and fixes.
At the end of the day we are all SW fans, editing enthusiast and Adywan supporters. His work speaks for itself and his dedication is inspirational. Im sure everyone has some sort of long term project, whether its SW/edit related or not that they share with a comunity a number of reason, and i always find it reasuring to discover people that love what I love as much or more than I do, and all the varing ways they enjoy it with differnt favorite or least favorite parts.

Braltika said:

Is this even relevant to the Revisited edit? I don’t recall Adywan intending to heavily cut the movie up like this and adding any of the deleted scenes at all?

I think he is intending to recut the start of the film especially the rescue sequence. but yeah he has said he catagigorically will not add deleted scenes. The only new contened will be the extra sequences in the battle of endor, from what i understand.

I undertand where you’re coming from but what I’d say from the sources mouth is that Lucas explained himself he had different plans for ROTJ and like ANH and ESB, the films changed a lot over the course of pre-production. The diffence with ROTJ was that his inicial plans included setting up the sequal trilogy with many plotlines being planned to continue on to the sequals. (ie the identity of Luke’s sibling) however following ESB George was becoming fatigued with SW and inicially decided not to persue a sequal. Only later with access to filming technogy he felt would remove the barriers to creativity he had be so frustrated with, did he persue the prequals.
My point being what you are perciving as prequal like, is more byproducts of creative burnout and last minute changes. The prequals’ development is well documented and understood to be mostly sourced from George’s isolation form other creative, with no imput from anyone willing to correct him on mistake and him being left not only to direct (which he has been vocal about not enjoying) but worse of all being left to create dialog without interance… which anyone could tell you was a recipe for ear torture. But thats the issue of making a sequal/prequal 20 years later with now grown up childhood fans, who think on some level you are the god of your own creation and they couldn’t possible correct you.
(this is why treasures like Sam Witwer are so great as he was willing not only to speak up and correct Dave Filony, his direct boss, but even argue character motivation with Lucas himself and be 100% right about it).
So yeah I get how and why this film feels similar but also why people see very different flaws.

JoyOfEditing said:

Okie Doke. Here’s a link to my opening of RotJ up to the point where Luke walks in through Jabba’s front door: //drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EleIyLvBBrk-D8zN9zy23NJhEeg6FMcs?usp=sharing

Its an interesting idea, i feel like a slight resuffle of scene could definately improve the opening’s presentation. Ofc Adywan has remained much more restrained with edits on the previous two films but I know he has big plans for ROTJ so hopefully he does have something up his sleave to adress the Luke’s-training-elephant in the room.

I’d say with this as an example, you have to be really careful with the Dagobah scene. There is not a whole lot of room to cut around so I would say comprimise would be the only option for a cohesive scene. It feels very trunkated to me, as we are entering mid conversation, so when this is first establishing scene of these characters in the film, it is very off putting. But naturally you couldn’t start much earlier without revealing that this is the first encounter with yoda since ESB.

So perhaps it would be best (if ady were considerng shuffling scenes) to yes put this scene here (before Tatooine), but comprimise and keep the orginal start of the scene where this is his first returning to Yoda, they talk perhaps over alterntive footage (where Yoda isn’t in bed) and “start his final training” then cut to show the infiltration of jabba’s palace, then cut back to luke “completing his training” (perhaps use the ben scene to bridge? or keep it after yoda dies) with a final conversation with Yoda as he dies then he returns to Tatooine to save everyone. That way it feels a bit more like the Bespin sequence where its clear at least some time has passed. And don’t forget confronting Vader is his last challenge to become a true Jedi Knight.

I don’t have the scenes on hand to see exactly what dialog and footage there is to work with, but its late and i need sleep cus reading my own post im not 100% sure it makes sense.

That guy with no name said:

timdiggerm said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?

https://youtu.be/x3rAbX9Wprg?si=CTEBzDStBL4NCxhd

Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂

Sorry dude, not every post gets replies.

But someone has already tried it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFz8W7fYMy4

This feels so correct. I wasn’t even aware the original didn’t have music.
Adywan, please consider this!

Sometimes no music is better, not every frame needs to be scored. By not having any music backing the viewer naturally pays more attention to what obiwan is saying. But if it was added, certainly would need to be quieter.

The marvel SW comics are not the source you are looking for.

doubleofive said:

I can’t believe I didn’t cover the dead end/hanger in my Wired article. In short, they had a hanger in 1976, they had stormtroopers, they could have done this if that was the plan. The same two troopers wearing the wrong helmet copy and pasted a hundred times was just proving that they could to this for the prequels if they wanted to for clones. Cutting the existing troopers out without the help of a bluescreen was a test to see if they needed to depend on bluescreens for the prequels. It’s a bad idea poorly executed only added to test prequel technology, just like most of the other SE changes.

OMG thats sooooo cool, haha it would be so funny to imagine hundreds of clones just coping 2 or three peoples actions over and over. Your link doesn’t work btw

ThiscouldbeR2D2 said:

Personally, do you prefer the hanger, or the pipes?

Well its doesn’t really matter what i prefer and tbh i dont feel it makes a huge difference either way.
That said world building wise i prefer a hanger (not filled with 10,000 troopers, maybe 20?) over a dead end corridor. However, given the two final outcomes avaiable its ofc the shot which works better. Which is the pipes.

I can see why George made the edit, but as with most changes it was over zelous. People can debate the character implications plenty, there is ofc no right or wrong answers there, but I think there is one objective issue with the original version. Why would there be a corridor, lined with dozens of blast doors, turn the corner and end in a complete dead end. Like yes the hanger is badly composited and yes the 10,000 idle troopers is silly, but man pipes? It’s a show of the limited budget and from everything Lucas has said over the years, anything that held him back, if it be money or technical limitations, seemed to irritate him. Consitantly these are areas he chooses to edit the most.

exitzero said:

Some good ideas here-
Star Wars: Inside the Death Star During Its Destruction-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF5cOg8-ZFQ

You’re tearing me apart Lisa!!
A lovely find though i doubt it will ever make it into this edit.
I think some of these shots look fantastic, If you had one or two frames of the rupuring, before it cuts to the wide shot for the explosion that would look awesome. But anything more would ruin the timing of the music queue. Its a challenge becuase on one hand, I’d like to see a beautiful shot, on the other, I’d rather keep the thematic 3, 2, 1… Boom! Luckily its not up to me: Adywan, you are our only hope.

Braltika said:

Imo, Han his panic screaming reaction does seem a bit more justified when walking into a full hangar of troops. Pretty sure he and Chewie never stopped to look back and count how many followed after they bolted it. For me personally, the full hangar is one of the better changes in the SE…

Great update on the work, Adywan, thanks!

I feel like it hits the same as a lot of SE changes. It makes sense and isn’t a bad idea, but it was over done. Like 5-10 extra troopers would have been enough, they didn’t need 100-300 extra. But unless we’re talking reshooting with a couple of 501st guys on a green screen… yeah it think its fine as is.

Merry Xmas fantastic to see you well, and heres to a better next year for you!

Man, I was just doing my rounds checking in on all my favorite SWF creators and could’t find SSWR anywhere on youtube, there was so much fantastic material in his maticulas documentation of his efforts, so sad its look gone for now, hopefuly his channel is just privated and will be back soon.

Its quite normal, in the early stages loads of people have idea, burning questions and opinions. By this point not only is Adywan very much in the swing of things, but many discussions have long since been had, and questions asked an asnwered, so most of us who check in from time to time in hopes of updates or most recently checking on Ady’s health. Its a game of patiance and support now, not so much a sign of disinterest.

adywan said:

I’m back 😃

Feeling much better now ( well , apart from the past week where i’ve been laid up in bed with a nasty gastric virus.) Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.

I’m back working on ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD. Getting a long quite nicely with the grading for ROTJ. I’ve juct completed the section where Leia meets Wicket, so that will give you some idea where i have got up to with that. It still shocks me just how dull and lifeless the 2020 blu-ray is. And it really has some shocking sections where the image has been completely bleached out, either with the colour grading that’s seemed to somehow remove most of the blues of the film or the fact that the grader decided that he would brighten the image up so much that it would blow out all the details, or just using crappy power windows to brighten sections of the image and losing all contrast.

Anyway, this is just a short one today. I will be posting a clip showing a new section of ROTJ:R’s colour grading later in the week, but for now here are some screenshots:

The 2020 Blu-Ray, for some unknown reason, removed the blue tint to not only the TIE fighters but also the Executor. These were blue in every version up until 2020.

With this one, the grader used a power window mask around Leia and Han in the 2020 edition, but didn’t properly track the movements so you get a moving mask with almost grey blacks. I replaced this with the 2011 blu-ray, with major clean up. Surprisingly , for the 2011 blu-ray, there’s a bit more detail in the shadows than the 2020 version.

And , one shot that took me forever to fix, is this one. What the hell has happened to all the colour in the 2020 edition? (The Gifs may take some time to load up, so be patient)

It is so good to see you recovering, I hope your health continues to improve and I’m so happy for you and your family.
Its so shocking to see the difference in vibrantcey in the comparisons, but it shows just how impartant it is in the death star shot where you can finally see the red construction beams again!!

Stay safe and may you’re healthy stay well!

Its good to hear your surgery was a success, I hope your recovary goes well.