TMBTM

timdiggerm said:

What if we just...didn't post in the thread until there was more to say about the topic?

yoda-sama said:

I still don't see how at least the last part of the original Clone Wars animated series--the part that directly related to the 3rd movie by setting up all the events at the beginning of that film--isn't considered canon.  Rest of that series kind of blew, but the stuff that directly related to the films seemed rather important.

 It was done with a tie with the movie in mind, indeed. But that does not make it "canon". Basicaly what makes something canon or not is what lucasfilm says is canon or not... But of course everyone can have their own private canon. To me it is recomended even!

Bottom line for me on this subject is that since Lucas said so many times that he will not make more SW after his two trilogies, the fans tended to believe that the E.U was, logicaly, de facto, "canon" cause it would be the only stories with Han, Luke, Leia and co, that would ever be told. But it never was to begin with (cause Lucas always had the right to change his mind), and Disney and Lucasfilm agreed to keep it that way when they decided to make more movies.

Tobar said:

The problem was that while the official company line was "It's all canon folks!"

 Not what I read about in the 90's when the books where released. (of course the ads in the magazines could have such lines as "the next chapters in the SW saga" and things like that. I give you that)

Fang Zei said:

I disagree that "the old EU was never considered canon." Everything from Zahn onwards was certainly considered canon. As I recall, it wasn't until 2008 clone wars that the idea of the different "levels" of canon was introduced. That show set such a giant precedent of overwriting EU it was covering the same ground as (in this case the previous clone wars stuff from 2002-2005).

There are no different levels of canon. Am I wrong? (true question, not playing smartass here.) To me there is canon and not. So it you say that the official canon/ not canon "rule" has officialy started in 2008, then everything E.U before 2008 cannot be considered canon or not in a way, because "canon" did not exist. What existed though is words from Lucasfilm saying that the stories of these books could possibly not be taken as a basis for future movies if Lucas wanted to make more.

As a kid I did not even know it was called the clone wars because I'm french and the french version talk about a "black war", they did not use the word "clone" at all... Later I heard about the clone wars and when I finaly saw the original audio version I just thought, "oh, ok. So the black war is in fact the clone wars. Sounds cool". But I never really thought about more than this.

Side note: the first death star in french is also called the black star (the death star in Jedi is called the deah star too in french)

Tobar said:

TMBTM said:

Disney did not de-canonize the Expanded Universe. Because it NEVER was officialy canon. 

From the first Zahn trilogy they said (Lucasfilm) that if Lucas ever wanted to make movies set after ROTJ the stories could be totaly different. 

 Don't tell these guys that. They'll have your head.

Hehe. Well, they can twist the truth as much as they want. Truth is: when I read Heir to the Empire in the 90's I knew those books were just cool "what if" stories. And I never really thought otherwise since then.

Of course some  ideas from the books can enventualy be used in the movies if Lucas (and now Disney) thinks it's okay. But believing that the stories from those books would automaticaly be used as the basis for new movies was against what they said from the start. It could have been an option though. But it was not "canon" in the sens that those stories were "writen in stone". They never were.

yoda-sama said:

Did the canonical status of the original Clone Wars series officially get stripped?  If so, did it go out the window with the Expanded Universe, or sometime before that (in short, explain this canon purge)?  Also, does the CG Clone Wars series ever deal with the events directly leading up to Episode III?

Disney did not de-canonize the Expanded Universe. Because it NEVER was officialy canon. 

From the first Zahn trilogy they said (Lucasfilm) that if Lucas ever wanted to make movies set after ROTJ the stories could be totaly different. 

Disney just sent a reminder to people who forgot that fact. (of course they could have decided to adapt the books, but in this case it would have been a "canonization" of the EU)

(And yes, the first CW series is not canon since they started the CG one. Don't know if it ever was canon by the way. Just know that the CG on is canon. So the other is obviously not.)

yoda-sama said:

TMBTM said:

I don't even understand why someone would want to "de-canonize" the PT or the Clone Wars. It would just add more mess to the whole thing in the mind of the audience. It would look like they do not know what they're doing. They'd de-canonize some of the movies of the series to remove some concepts that some fans don't like so they could...what? It does not make any sens. Not only from a marketing point of view but also from a storytelling point of view. You can't tell the audience a tale, then, when you arrive to some chapters, sundenly say "wait, no, forget about those early chapters I told you before. What I really wanted to tell you is THIS." It would look so unprofessional... So bad. It would be WAY worse than keeping the PT the way they are and find good stories to tell anyway. THAT would look professional, and maybe working with some concepts that you don't like much can lead to some creativity.

 Not to give too much credence to this "de-canonize" line of thinking, but in all fairness, how is this not what Lucas did when he made the PT?  If something didn't jive with the OOT, he'd just throw in new dialog to the SE's to cover the differences, and continue on like nothing was wrong.  Well, everything he did since the mid-90's seemed unprofessional and lacking in creativity... so I guess you're onto something.

That's it, I don't want the ST to do the same mistakes as Lucas did with the PT.

(Did not want to hijack this thread that much by the way)

moviefreakedmind said:

Again, I have no preference, but I'd love to see them blatantly contradict the prequels in the ST.

I don't want the ST to contradict the PT as much as I don't like the PT contradicting some elements of the OT. Adding even more contradiction in the Star Wars world is NOT a good idea. At all.

darklordoftech said:

TMBTM said:

I don't even understand why someone would want to "de-canonize" the PT or the Clone Wars. It would just add more mess to the whole thing in the mind of the audience. It would look like they do not know what they're doing. They'd de-canonize some of the movies of the series to remove some concepts that some fans don't like so they could...what? It does not make any sens. Not only from a marketing point of view but also from a storytelling point of view. You can't tell the audience a tale, then, when you arrive to some chapters, sundenly say "wait, no, forget about those early chapters I told you before. What I really wanted to tell you is THIS." It would look so unprofessional... So bad. It would be WAY worse than keeping the PT the way they are and find good stories to tell anyway. THAT would look professional, and maybe working with some concepts that you don't like much can lead to some creativity.

What if they want to tell a story in which someone who wasn't born special decides that they want to use The Force? What if they want to tell the story of how Palpatine taught himself how to use The Force?

Then just find other stories to tell. That's what I meant by creativity. I prefer keeping the PT as are and where they are (in the past) and find new stories that don't go against either the PT or the OT and use the better elements of both trilogies (so obviously less PT and more OT...). In other words: better go foward than turning the knife in the wound by "de-canonizing" the PT just because we don't like them. It would really looks like a bad move to me. Just think about the kids who grew up with the PT and love them. It would be worse for them than what the Special Edition is for us.

Now, I would like to see what Adywan can do with the PT! But that's another story!

I don't even understand why someone would want to "de-canonize" the PT or the Clone Wars. It would just add more mess to the whole thing in the mind of the audience. It would look like they do not know what they're doing. They'd de-canonize some of the movies of the series to remove some concepts that some fans don't like so they could...what? It does not make any sens. Not only from a marketing point of view but also from a storytelling point of view. You can't tell the audience a tale, then, when you arrive to some chapters, sundenly say "wait, no, forget about those early chapters I told you before. What I really wanted to tell you is THIS." It would look so unprofessional... So bad. It would be WAY worse than keeping the PT the way they are and find good stories to tell anyway. THAT would look professional, and maybe working with some concepts that you don't like much can lead to some creativity.

From what I've seen I like the style and simplicity of everything that is not character related. The backgrounds, the look of the vehicles etc.

But the characters and overall animation do not look good enough to me and I'm starting to be afraid of the stories too. 

Star Wars Episode VII - A Galaxy in Crisis

The heavy taxation on numerous systems, as wanted by the evil Princess Leia in order to buy new ships for the now old and rusty army of the republic, faces many oppositions in the galaxy....

doubleofive said:

Fang Zei said:

TMBTM said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Will there be Special Editions of PvGL?

I can do a version with my whole interview put back in it. Cause we all agree that 20 seconds of TMBTM is not enough! (and don't you dare saying "that's what she said!")

Which interview is you?

The one where the bottom of the screen says "TMBTM". I cheered when he showed up.

Haha, well I don't remember if they wrote TMBTM or The Man Behind The Mask though. I should rewatch the whole thing for those few seconds of "glory" about my very first fanedit (the silent star wars fanedit)

I had some Emails with Alexander O.Phillipe, the director back then. At some point he wanted to make a doc about fanedits. I guess I can say it by now since it appears not to be the case anymore. It was years ago and he'll forgive me if he ever reads this post! (he actualy posted at fanedit.org and maybe here too as far as I remember) Maybe he'll bring back this idea one day or another.

Not sure about this new People vs Lucas doc though because the goal don't seems as clear as the previous and it maybe feels like surfing on the Star Wars calendar a bit too much. But the punchline "This time we shoot first!" is pretty fun and I'll be happy to watch it when it's released.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Will there be Special Editions of PvGL?

I can do a version with my whole interview put back in it. Cause we all agree that 20 seconds of TMBTM is not enough! (and don't you dare saying "that's what she said!")

I am wondering what kind of visual freedom Lucasfilm and Disney are giving to the guys who'll make those standalone movies. I mean: do those movies really NEED to look and feel like the "EPISODES" or can they be just set in the Star Wars world but having each different directors own touch?

I would not suggest that a horror movie in the Star Wars world will be allowed of course (and I don't think I would like that sort of things), but how far those standalone can go from the classic way of filming that the "EPISODES" have? And should they detached themselves visualy from the trilogies, or should they keep a "classic "Star Wars look?

I think keeping an overall Star Wars "way of filming" is a must but that's just me. Let the faneditors makes the Tarantino cuts! 

Anthony Ingruber is cast as young Harrison Ford in his upcoming movie (a very little role though I guess). Let's all hope he'll be cast as a young Han Solo if they make a movie with this character cause they will never find someone who looks and sound more Harrison Ford than him.

If you need/want french accent, I can try something. (maybe the nemodians?)

I can tone down my accent a bit too...

The working title of Episode 7 is/was supposed to be THE ANCIENT FEAR.

Now, that's not official and could very be a kind of nickname like BLUE HARVEST was for ROTJ.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67205

Rings a bell with a New Hope.

Well, even if you "always had the idea" of using classical music for your movie it would be a bit silly to not ask a great composer like Williams what he thinks about it and what he could do instead. I mean, I guess that when you're making a movie you never rule out anything that can make your project better. There's no "myth" here, IMO. It's just a simple evolution of the original concept.

Not impressed at all.

Really looks like Han, Luke, Chewie and R2 replacement characters with CGI not as good as the Clone Wars last seasons (far from it). I know they were heading for a new look, more old school, but I don't know. Does not work for me. But I said the same for the Clone Wars series and in the end I thought the overall show was quite good, so maybe this one will get better as it goes. But like I said: not impressed so far.

TheBoost said:

TMBTM said:

And in the Star Wars meeting picture she's just between Ford and Fisher... does it means she's their daughter? Anyway, very pleased with that casting so far.

 Does anyone else think Ridley bears more than a passing resemblance to Natalie Portman? I mean that in a good way if she is playing Leia's daughter. 

 In the facial promo shot they use everywhere, yeah, one could say she looks "Portmanish" but in pretty much all other pictures I've seen she looks more like a pretty and charmisatic girl next door à la young Carrie Fisher. (not saying shes looks like her, just that she looks... I don't know... more Star Warsish than Portman ever was? lol)

I like that JJ took some young actors that are not just all pretty boys/girls but looks like they have some charisma in them.

Just looked at the unknown Daisy Ridley's pictures on google and you can say that she's not just the next hot girl in town. She is really expressive.

here's a short movie with her: http://vimeo.com/63567146

And in the Star Wars meeting picture she's just between Ford and Fisher... does it means she's their daughter? Anyway, very pleased with that casting so far.

It will just be a single AT-AT foot in the middle of the desert just to visualize what's left of the Empire.

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