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Post: #143404
Topic: Updating the Thread Indexes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/143404/action/topic#143404
Time: 30-Sep-2005 10:27 AM

Suggestions for updating the "big DVD thread index":

move Cowclops v2 to "complete" OT preservations

move The Lancer DVD project to Fan edits (primarily DVD based)

add the Dark/Sega set to "complete" OT preservations (click here)

add Citizen's set to "ongoing" OT preservations (click here)

Post: #143221
Topic: Info Wanted: Star Wars Special Edition supplement material
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/143221/action/topic#143221
Time: 29-Sep-2005 9:04 PM

I believe this has already been done by Jedi/Feta.

Post: #143202
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/143202/action/topic#143202
Time: 29-Sep-2005 8:35 PM

Hi guys,

been away for a couple of months and so to catch up I just re-read this entire thread. Phew! I have a couple of questions for Laserman/Zion/MeBeJedi (if and when they have time) which I couldn't find answers to in the preceding 36 pages:

1) You earlier said that you were working from Definitive Collection captures, but were trying to get "Faces" captures done on the X0 as well so as to be able to use the best of both - did this ever happen?

2) Are you still working on PAL capture comparisons and if so, might you end up mixing PAL & NTSC sourced material, or would it be a separate PAL project?

3) Given Citizen's (and others') misgivings about temporal smoothing on both the DefCol & "Faces" sets, as well as the positive reaction to Dark/Sega's Special Collection transfer, would that set be another option you'd like to investigate, or are there:
a) other problems with that set?
b) no chances of further X0 capturing?

Apologies in advance if any of these seem redundant.

Post: #124804
Topic: Classic OT covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/124804/action/topic#124804
Time: 22-Jul-2005 3:16 AM

Thanks Darth Simon, oojason and those of you who expressed a preference by email or PM. The completed cover is previewed 6 posts above and I'll upload the hi-res to Grisan's site.

Post: #123292
Topic: 3:2 on laserdisc question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/123292/action/topic#123292
Time: 15-Jul-2005 4:39 PM

On the PAL at PAL speed in NTSC playback question, the only thing I can think of is that the player could do a 3:2 pulldown every 5/6 frames instead of every 4/5 frames...

Post: #123142
Topic: 3:2 on laserdisc question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/123142/action/topic#123142
Time: 14-Jul-2005 8:34 PM

Originally posted by: Mavimao
The simple answer would be that they slow it down to 24fps and then do a pulldown....

Yes, that's what I was thinking when this question began, but then Citizen said that PAL discs play at PAL speed, not true speed. Let me know what you come up with if you do that test, Citizen.

Post: #123106
Topic: 3:2 on laserdisc question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/123106/action/topic#123106
Time: 14-Jul-2005 5:37 PM

Mavimao, thanks for your reply. However, I'm not confused between interlacing and 3:2 pulldown, I just want to know how those 25fps become 29.97fps.

Post: #123104
Topic: 3:2 on laserdisc question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/123104/action/topic#123104
Time: 14-Jul-2005 4:35 PM

Originally posted by: Darth Editous
If there is a player that converts from PAL to NTSC (and I doubt there is), if it didn't stick to PAL speed it would have to decode and resample the audio.

Both my last two budget players were quite happy to play back PAL encoded discs in NTSC .

Anyhow, if PAL films are generally stored progressive but at 25 fps and a PAL/NTSC player plays PAL discs at PAL speed in NTSC, then the player must be doing some kind of pulldown other than 3:2, or dropping a frame every second - or am I missing something?

Post: #122713
Topic: 3:2 on laserdisc question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/122713/action/topic#122713
Time: 12-Jul-2005 11:26 PM

I didn't want to hijack Farsight's thread any more, so I've dragged this into a more appropriate thread:

Originally posted by: THX
How does on-the-fly PAL to NTSC conversion work? Are PAL DVDs generally encoded at 24fps progressive, with the PAL player converting to 25fps? If so, does the PAL/NTSC player apply 3:2 pulldown to get to 29.97 at true speed, or is it somehow still played at PAL's 104% speed?

Originally posted by: Laserman
All decent film DVDs are stored as 24fps on the disc itself. No DVDs store anything as progressive, it is an interlaced system - but the two fields stored make up exactly one film frame, so the end result is the same really.

Originally posted by: Citizen
PAL films are generally stored progressive but at 25fps instead of 24fps (no framerate conversion, just plays back faster) with the audio sped up to match the faster playback rate.

First of all, thank you Laserman and Citizen for your answers. I don't think either of you answered my second question, probably because I phrased it badly, so I'll try to get at what I mean a different way, informed by your previous answers:

Does a PAL/NTSC DVD player play PAL discs on NTSC displays at true speed or PAL speed?

Post: #118870
Topic: The "Farsight" Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118870/action/topic#118870
Time: 27-Jun-2005 4:34 PM

Okay, this is nothing to do with Farsight's set, but it kind of follows on from the above: how does on-the-fly PAL to NTSC conversion work? Are PAL DVDs generally encoded at 24fps progressive, with the PAL player converting to 25fps? If so, does the PAL/NTSC player apply 3:2 pulldown to get to 29.97 at true speed, or is it somehow still played at PAL's 104% speed?

Post: #118605
Topic: Info Wanted: What is the Best Quality OT Fan Preservation Set?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118605/action/topic#118605
Time: 26-Jun-2005 6:51 PM

This poll definitely needs to be restarted, in the light of the Cowclops/TR47 v2 release. Although perhaps we should wait for Moth3r's ROTJ and Citizen's set?

Post: #118598
Topic: ***The "official" Screenshots feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118598/action/topic#118598
Time: 26-Jun-2005 6:41 PM

Farsight, I'm with you on your official DVD analysis (see also this thread).

Also, you're right, screencaps and playback are two different things. I said above I thought EditDroid had the edge on TR47, but that was on screencaps. I just got through a playback comparison of the two and I've got to give it to TR47. The EditDroid is a little overprocessed-looking and a bit too washed out. Oh well, I guess they're both going to stay on the shelf now that Cowclops/TR47 v.2 is out.

Post: #118347
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118347/action/topic#118347
Time: 25-Jun-2005 6:58 PM

It's definitely 'out'. Hurin, what about those official DVD comparisons?

Post: #117786
Topic: Worst SW DVD covers in the world
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/117786/action/topic#117786
Time: 23-Jun-2005 1:06 PM

For me, this is still the worst of all. At least you guys' efforts are intended to be comical.

Post: #117122
Topic: The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/117122/action/topic#117122
Time: 21-Jun-2005 12:24 PM

Thanks for the screencaps. No doubt this is the NTSC champ. Can't wait to see the menus.

Post: #116910
Topic: Idea: Library of Congress Film Preservation access?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116910/action/topic#116910
Time: 20-Jun-2005 8:49 PM

Unfortunately, we can't watch the cleaned version without the color "correction" so it's pretty much a moot point. Personally, brightness, contrast and color balance affect my enjoyment more than dust, scratches or grain. When I saw the movies in the theater, they were dusty, scratched and grainy, but they weren't strangely dark and didn't have weird pseudo-technicolor. I seem to remember seeing stars in the space scenes, too.

Post: #116904
Topic: The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116904/action/topic#116904
Time: 20-Jun-2005 8:33 PM

Both Cowclops and TR47 are involved in the creation of this set. Both agree they should both be credited. End of story.

Post: #116138
Topic: Idea: Library of Congress Film Preservation access?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116138/action/topic#116138
Time: 17-Jun-2005 1:14 PM

It's impossible to separate who did what to the image on the official 2004 DVD set. The point is, they look bad, so any new transfer from an original print, treated with proper respect is going to look better, even if it's not as clean. I'd sooner trust the X0 team than LFL on this.

Post: #115086
Topic: Idea: Ultimate Extras Discs Challenge
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115086/action/topic#115086
Time: 14-Jun-2005 4:09 PM

I guess my original question was meant to be about what's the best extra stuff, and that is the way that Jed has answered it - thanks. What you've described is pretty close to RowMan's 4 disc set, which is a great selection IMHO.

Post: #114801
Topic: The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114801/action/topic#114801
Time: 13-Jun-2005 8:45 PM

IIRC, it's:

1) Luke/Treadwell
2) Luke/Biggs/Camie/Fixer
3) Luke/Biggs
4) Alternate cantina edit

Similar to the stuff which is on "Deleted Magic" except that the alternate cantina is not intercut with the 2004 DVD and is thus much more watchable.

Also, RowMan's forthcoming RowDroid ESB extras disc contains some great stills from the Wampas in Echo Base scenes.

Post: #114790
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114790/action/topic#114790
Time: 13-Jun-2005 8:34 PM

Well sp0tted, Karyud0! I've edited that p0st - I think it's imp0rtant t0 get these things right.

Post: #114721
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114721/action/topic#114721
Time: 13-Jun-2005 6:07 PM

Patrick, your cap is cropped the same as the TR47 cap so I guess that shows it's a DefCol vs. Faces issue. Notice that the Official DVD is cropped somewhere between these two.

Post: #114715
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114715/action/topic#114715
Time: 13-Jun-2005 6:01 PM

I've just been l00king back at Hurin's p0st 0f the 0fficial DVD vs. X0 screencaps and I've g0t t0 say W0W! I always th0ught that LD rips w0uld never be quite as g00d quality as an 0fficial release but y0u guys have pr0ved that wr0ng. 0n the basis of this frame, the XO versi0n l00ks better than the 0fficial 0ne. I mean technically better. T0 me, the c0l0r/brightness/c0ntrast "c0rrecti0n" on the 2OO4 DVDs makes them l00k t0tally different t0 h0w I remember the m0vies and thus invalidates them as s0urce material for a preservati0n (N0 disrespect t0 mverta, 0cpm0vie, ADigitalMan, DarthEdit0us and c0., wh0 have d0ne great things with them). I remember when mverta's legacy pr0ject was seen as the H0ly Grail, with a l0t 0f p0sts 0n the lines 0f "h0w I wish he'd release this." Well, f0r me, THIS is the H0ly Grail and it l00ks like as g00d as it will ever get. Gentlemen, I salute y0u, 0ne and all.

Post: #114694
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114694/action/topic#114694
Time: 13-Jun-2005 5:19 PM

Theoretically, the faces LD and VHS would have come from the same master, so you should be able to tell. Take a look and let us know.

Post: #114692
Topic: The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114692/action/topic#114692
Time: 13-Jun-2005 5:16 PM

Cowclops, I notice you haven't posted here since April 17th. Are you still working on this set? I am a big fan of your first set and of your technical posts re anamorphic vs. letterbox, dual- vs single-layer and noise reduction, so I really hope you are.