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#156735
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: nin
Now, Zion, do I understand correctly that the Japanese SC capture are NOT from an HLD-X0? And in some scenes BETTER than a X0 capture? If so, I could do another capture from composite and to a BNC modified PDI card from the SC edition and see if it will look even better (lower noise, more detail?). Let me know.


As I understand it, nin, the SC caps didn't necessarily look better than an XØ cap, just better (in some scenes) than DefCol & Faces caps done with the same LD player (not an XØ). This test suggests they'll be worth integrating, but the only way to really know is by comparing an XØ cap of the SC directly with the existing DefCol cap. Which is where your generous offer may well come in...
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#156725
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<em>SIX</em> fantastic brand new preservation projects..... (Released)
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russs15,

I have these two:

Star Wars
1992 Widescreen CLV, CX Stereo, 2 discs, Extended Play fixed "incredible shrinking ratio"

Empire
1989 Widescreen CLV, CX Stereo, 2 discs, Extended Play

and will soon have:

Jedi
1990 Widescreen CLV, CX Stereo, 2 discs, Extended Play

I was going to cap them myself, but am very short of time at the moment. Once I get Jedi, I can lend them all to be capped.
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#156324
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
Not that TPM is perfect, but I've always felt the issues with it were mostly conceptual, and not editorial. Anakin should of been older. Naboo should of been Alderaan, Obi-wan should of filled Qui-gon's role, etc.
Yes, yes and yes. Unfortunately, conceptual issues are harder to deal with than editorial. The idea of cutting Sidious altogether is a good - that way his appearances in the PT will mirror those in the OT (i.e. none/a bit/a lot). However, preserving the surprise is a moot point, since everyone already knows. Even people who don't know who Ian McDiarmid is and missed that the OT Emperor's name is Palpatine can recognize the TPM Palpatine as the OT Emperor. Nevertheless, go ahead, it's a good idea and I'm sure a lot of fans would love to see it.
Originally posted by: Wesyeed
Combine Eps 1 and 2, then you will be a man.

I'm in some agreement with Wesyeed: the only real way to get around the major conceptual issues of TPM is to cut it drastically down to a kind of prologue. I believe Farsight suggested a one-movie PT in another thread and I think that, ultimately, is the way to go. In the meantime, I look forward to the completion of your personal trilogy.
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#156309
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: zion
As stated before, the X0 capture footage we currently have is all in all better than the SC footage. I think the buzz around here lately for the SC discs is a little misleading in that people automatically think that a full SC capture is the only way to go. And this is simply not true. We will put up some examples in the next week or so that will show you the difference with what we are currently working on, and our experiments with the SC. Some of you may be pleasantly suprised.


I'm just glad you guys are taking into account all the options. I have total faith that you'll end up making the best possible hybrid.
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#155693
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***The Official FAN CREATED DVD Reviews and Feedback Thread***
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Just read this thread for the first time. Interested to see Rik's comparitive review of 7 NTSC transfers. I must agree that on 4:3, Cowclops v1 beats Cowclops v2 - haven't checked them all out on 16:9 yet. IMHO, on 4:3, it's extremely close between Cowclops v1 and EditDroid for picture, the main differences being higher saturation/contrast in the former. It really comes down to your personal taste, just like the sound mix (turn it up for EditDroid). None of the others compare to these two (on 4:3).
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#153690
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Info Wanted: Just wondering... re acquiring a digital copy of something I already own?
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Ingo Sucks,

it really depends (dare I say it) on whether you have a 4:3 (1.33:1) or 16:9 (1.78:1) TV/monitor. If the former, I recommend either the TR47 (Cowclops v.1)set or the EditDroid set; if the latter, then the Cowclops v.2 set or Citizen's set (currently incomplete).

As far as supplements, RowMan's 4-disc set is the best around for starting out. Beyond that, you could look at babyhum and ocpmovie's stuff.

If you don't want to become a fanatic, don't look at Rikter's selection.

BTW, welcome.
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#152166
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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Thanks for those comparitive caps, Zion. I see your point about colour/noise. I hope you find this current batch of analysis/discussion of what you guys are doing helpful rather than annoying. After all, it's your project and you can do whatever you want with it. I suppose we're all expecting you guys to produce the (ahem) definitive DVD version, so it's nice for us to imagine we can contribute in ways other than the occasional donation. Anyway...

All things considered, it seems as if the best results might be obtained with a combination of the DefCol, "Faces" and SC sets.

Given Citizen's comments, it would be interesting to see a comparison between pre- and post-THX frames after you've cleaned them up and colour-matched them.

The other point that seems pertinent is to establish whether the SC is visibly better than the US '89/'90/'92 set which is apparently from the same transfer.
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#151851
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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Here's what Citizen had to say about the SC:

Originally posted by: Citizen (in The Official Dark/Sega Special Collection Release Thread)
This trilogy has to be one of the best NTSC sourced transfers I've seen to date, despite some issues with the hue, colour bleeding & compression artefacts, the image clarity and brightness/contrast is very good, what's more this has to be the first laserdisc transfer that doesn't exhibit any of the temporal smoothing that plagues all the other widescreen SW laserdiscs (French, German, Definitive, Faces) I've seen. Nor does it appear to have the interlacing jaggies problem the Definitive and Faces collectiion has where some detail is completely lost through removal of lines.

The test results I'm getting are showing that it could really give the PAL transfers a run for their money, firstly it doesn't suffer the interlace/jaggies problem of the definitive set but the main reason being they didn't use any temporal smoothing to reduce grain, no smearing during motion!

Check this short XviD clip out, first half is from my PAL LDs, the 2nd half from the Dark/Sega SC DVD, on the Dark/Sega part you can see the rockface in detail whereas on the PAL sourced version it's badly smeared (same on the Definitive & Faces discs).

Citizen'sTestClip
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#151848
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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Observer, Laserman pretty much covered your first question already:

Originally posted by: Laserman
You could never make the pre-THX sets look better or sound better than the THX ones, the noise floor is too high, the colour is all over the place the detail is very soft and the sound is awful - however certain scenes may be worth lifting to help deal with the temporal noise reduction on the THX sets.
That process was already underway before I left.
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The Special Collection may be worth a look, the discs mastered for the Japanese market tended to be of a better quality, so it is worth investigating.


As far as getting this set goes, perhaps dark_jedi would be prepared to lend his set?