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Post: #198892
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198892/action/topic#198892
Time: 7-Apr-2006 7:25 PM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
In that case, you've got mail. =)

This past week, Jonathan Sloman featured a segment about The Thief, on his and Julian Goford's radio program SMARTER THAN THE AVERAGE. Show Two went out on Monday the 3rd of April 2006 on Resonance 104.4fm in the UK.

Download an .mp3 of Show Two at http://www.sendspace.com/file/j8ramh [65.7MB]

Exclusive online version, featuring over ten minutes of material never broadcast!

Website:
http://uk.geocities.com/smarterthanthe/

A clip from "I Drew Roger Rabbit" was played, and the boys read out some copy which I helped write. This project was plugged, pluggity plug. There are also some other fun segments including a Bill Watterson one - he makes a Thief joke later in a segment on Disney.

Love their slam at "Oliver & Company".

Still, I can't help but state I miss the 80's.

Post: #198728
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198728/action/topic#198728
Time: 7-Apr-2006 5:12 AM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Have a strong lead on broadcast quality copies of I Drew Roger Rabbit and Animating Art ... nibble on THAT, Patrick! =D

Also have a lead on "Roger Rabbit and the Secrets of Toontown" and, as I said before, Tahir Shah is sending "One Pair of Eyes: Dreamwalkers."

Add two more DVDs to the list? Looks like it!
Would be neat if there had been a way to do these as a dual-layer format, but it's fine with me (just less discs to use)!

Tony White is holding his big screening of my cut of The Thief for his animation classes tomorrow ... he won't be there sadly, for some reason. I'm sure the internet will be abuzz afterward. =D

Would be neat to hear of the outcome.

Should soon be time to start on my finished Recobbled Cut.

I'd have more to say, but I'm busier with my OWN animation right now ... I have a pitch session ... thingy ... at the animation co-op on saturday where I have to pitch my pilots Dance With Grandpa and The Chosen Ones, so I'm animating like mad trying to have SOMETHING to show. I REALLY need artists to help me with these projects (hint hint?) and if the pitch session goes well hopefully I'll find a few.

Wouldn't mind working of it as an inbetweener or such (at least to give me some early introduction to it anyway)!

Post: #198227
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198227/action/topic#198227
Time: 5-Apr-2006 8:59 PM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Awesome, faceman!

I want my Tack, Thief & Yumyum rag dolls, and my Zigzag and One Eye action figures. Also the King Nod inaction figure. And the old witch woodcarving kit.
So many potential marketing ideals that went on the wayside.

I wasn't gonna post this because the sound quality is CRAP - you can barely hear what's being said ....

But screw it ... here's the audio for both Clapperboard episodes with Richard Williams, from 1969, discussing the Nasrudin film. Quality bad.

http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/clapperboardfull.mp3

I, personally, think the audio's too bad to really listen to (and transcribe, probably, which was the point of this) ... I'm waiting to watch the real PAL VHS transferred rather than this crappy stopgap attempt ...

As before, this is the PAL VHS tape played at half speed on an NTSC VCR, with all the wobbliness that entails, then I pitch corrected and sped it up.

I'll have a proper transfer of this soon, since it's such cool stuff.

Still wouldn't mind hearing what I can of it.

Post: #198224
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198224/action/topic#198224
Time: 5-Apr-2006 8:54 PM

Originally posted by: Faceman
Paying for 16/35mm transfers isn't a problem for me, as long as it is material worth transfering.

Glad to know that. Perhaps if I can see what I might like to have transfers of I'll let you know. My big expertise is in indie/foriegn animated films and I try to get them whenever they pop up on eBay now and then.

Post: #198200
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198200/action/topic#198200
Time: 5-Apr-2006 6:01 PM

Originally posted by: OgOggilby
It's funny to hear some of the "bad facts" in the trailer like saying Richard Williams created The Pink Panther. Not that it's not unflattering. There's also the obligatory "O Fortuna"

Given how much the merch. was stressed, it makes you wonder what kind of cool products they would have made. "Buy an authentic The Thief costume complete with realistic stench!"

Better off than cosplaying as one in some sci-fi/anime convention. :-)

Worst I had in mind was kids' meal toys at Burger King but that was about it. :-)

Post: #198036
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198036/action/topic#198036
Time: 5-Apr-2006 5:12 AM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
That's really neat.
Thanks for enjoying it! Too bad I don't have any telecine equipment, or I'd be wanting to transfer my films to vid perfectly.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5804/1659/1600/dick%27s%20oscars.jpg

Kinda like spotting names here. I sometimes see Mark Kausler post on one of the forums I belong to, he's been in the biz for a number of decades now. Andreas Deja would go on to animate some of the famous characters in later Disney films of the 90's (ditto on Nik Ranieri). Not much to say about Tom Sito (other than he used to work at the Filmation sweatshop). I believe Joe Ranft though passed away last year in a car accident.

Didn't take too long for someone to do a Wiki entry on him!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ranft

You know one of these days someone will do one for you or me.

Post: #198033
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198033/action/topic#198033
Time: 5-Apr-2006 4:50 AM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Holy crap! Where'd you get that from, Chris? =D

That's from my personal film collection! I won it off eBay a few years ago (practically the only bidder on that). It was produced by ABC Media Concepts, which I assume was some division of ABC who probably made these prints available to schools or other organizations to show to their classes or such.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8743/imag00021fa.jpg

Couldn't put the image here cause of it's size, but you can see what I've got!

Post: #198014
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198014/action/topic#198014
Time: 5-Apr-2006 2:18 AM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
What a horrible day I've had.

I've learned I'll be kicked out of where I'm living (failure to pay rent) ... I had a job interview but couldn't get there by bus - I forgot my wallet at home and wound up broke, in a random part of town, standing in the rain for three hours waiting for buses that never came.

I missed the interview, of course.

But then I get home, and what's there to cheer me up but a package from Roy Naisbitt!

Inside was a VHS tape containing some incredibly rare and wonderful Thief stuff.

So that cheered me up. =)

Thanks for the files!

Hopfully you can get your tape converted for your project. I wish I had that type of equipment personally.

Sad to hear of you day.

Perhaps this jpeg scan of my 16mm copy of "A Christmas Carol" should put you into another good mood!

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8726/film22lb.jpg

I only wish it wasn't as faded as it is, but it's all there.

Post: #197650
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197650/action/topic#197650
Time: 3-Apr-2006 6:28 PM

Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
I think we have slightly different ideas in mind

Interesting the kind of things that pop up in Northwest Ohio.

We really don't get much noice here as the rest of Ohio might. Best that has happened up here recently is a bill that was passed by the governor that will allow the merging of the Unviersity of Toledo and the Medical University of Ohio into one whole entity (of which will retain the UT name). It will be the thrid largest university in Ohio and one of 17 public universities in the country offering colleges of business, education, engineering, law, medicine and pharmacy. Can't say if this'll halp out the Department of Theatre, Film and Dance (rather they set up an animation workshop if they could hire in some animation professors for such a course, their 16mm Oxberry animation stand is just collecting dust unless they haven't already threw it out).

I like to hope one day that Toledo could become "The Entertainment Capital of the State" (something I heard once on The Simpsons, and I like to think Cleveland owns that title currently).

Post: #197647
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197647/action/topic#197647
Time: 3-Apr-2006 6:19 PM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
"Hijacking?" Pish-tosh! =) This thread is huge, it contains multitudes. Do what you wish in the name of fun!

And Chris - wow! Amazing! I'll write these people, try to get copies.

Glad to help out. I remember seeing this months back but haven't thought about it until you pointed it out.

Post: #197525
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197525/action/topic#197525
Time: 3-Apr-2006 6:50 AM

Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Perhaps so. I've gotta finish my movie first before any hanging occurs, though.

Sorry about minorly hijacking the thread.

That's OK. I was surprised last week to see a copy of the "Toledo City Paper" and see there is a small filmmaker's group in town I might like to join.

http://www.toledofilmmakers.com/

Felt like I just did a shameless plug.

Post: #197522
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197522/action/topic#197522
Time: 3-Apr-2006 6:45 AM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
You two should hang?
Thanks for the thought!

ANYONE GOT THIS??

Waaaay pre-Williams, yo.

In spite of this setback, Miller still had Sturdivant and Citters continue work on "Roger Rabbit." He ordered that live action footage be shot, so that pencil test animation could be layered over these scenes -- to see if a toony Roger Rabbit could convincingly interact with a live action Eddie Valiant.

Early subscribers to the Disney Channel actually got a chance to see this footage on an April 1983 broadcast of "Disney Studio Showcase." Hosted by animation historian John Culhane, this program (which also hyped the then-in-production film "Baby - Secret of the Lost Legend" as well as Tim Burton's TV version of Hansel & Gretel) included a preview of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit."

Wished I had that episode. I only have one of these shows in my collection, "Beyond Tron", of which a clip of it was seen on the 2-Disc set for that film (my mom taped it personally 22 years ago).

The test footage featured an unknown actor standing in for Eddie Valiant. After exiting an alley, Eddie is suddenly accosted by a giant cartoon police detective. He's then shown drinking at a bar with an early version of Jessica (Who at this point in her development, wasn't quite so voluptuous. This Jessica -- who was supposed to be the villain in this version of the film -- looked a lot like Cruella De Vil-gone-Hollywood). The segment ends with Culhane exiting the Roger Rabbit production offices, just before a fully animated and painted version of Roger strolled through this live action setting.

From this older but must-read article ...

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/article.php?id=416

I think some animator who operates a blog has posted scenes from this on his place...
http://www.sewardstreet.com/media/index.html

Should suffice, in case you can get hooked up with this guy over getting this recording or such.

Post: #197514
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197514/action/topic#197514
Time: 3-Apr-2006 5:37 AM

Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
I don't mean to get too off-topic in this thread, but Studio Toledo, are you indeed located in Toledo, OH or have I made a big misassumption? The reason I ask is because I'm about 20mins south of Toledo in Bowling Green.

Damn! That's way close!

Yes, you were right in your assumption. Thanks for asking!

Post: #197508
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197508/action/topic#197508
Time: 3-Apr-2006 4:38 AM

Just want to say HELLO! This is my first time here, but my handle should give away who I am (unless someone doesn't spill the beans).

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Also spotted these early films ...

A Lecture on Man 62, Circus Drawing(s), Ivor Pittfalks

Were these finished? I think I've read something about "Circus Drawing" being a working title for a test animation that was unfinished. "A Lecture on Man" was probably finished.

Okay, it says Ivor Pittfalks was not completed, and "Circus Drawings" was ...

Also mentioning other titles ....

The Story of the Motorcar Engine
A Lecture on Man
Circus Drawings
Pubs and Beaches
The Liquidator (Cardiff) (animated sequences)
I Vor Pittfalks (not completed)
The Sailor and the Devil
Don't Drink the Water (Morris) (animated sequences)

Animator. Nationality: Canadian. Born: Montreal, 19 March 1933; emigrated to the United Kingdom, 1955. Career: Worked for Disney and United Productions of America (UPA) in early 1950s; 1955—moved to England: first animated film, The Little Island, 1958; his own studio produced animated films, commercials, and special effects and titles for live-action films; 1992—forced to close studio. Awards: Academy Award, for A Christmas Carol, 1971; Special Achievement Award and Visual Effects Academy Award, and two British Academy Awards, for Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, 1988.

Richard Williams
Films as Animator:
1958
The Little Island; The Story of the Motorcar Engine

1961
A Lecture on Man
I'd like to bet "Story of a Motorcar Engine" and "A Lecture on Man" were probably sponcered films for some goverment agency in England.

While we were on the subject of obtaining "The Little Island", one person requested simularly on Usenet nearly a decade ago....
from Google's Usenet Archive...

Wouldn't have mind obtaining a 35mm print if that was the last resort (though the expenses to transfer it to video or some digital source could be quite high, unless a 16mm copy isn't found).

1962
Love Me, Love Me, Love Me
Quite facinating to read about this film. Liked noticing a few of Bob Godfrey's men also involved in this such as Stan Heyward in the story.

1969
Don't Drink the Water (Morris) (animated sequences)

HA! I think I have this film on tape in my collection! Have to see if that animated bit is in it or not.

Publications

By WILLIAMS: articles—
"Animation and The Little Island," in Sight and Sound (London), Autumn 1958.

Contrast, Spring 1963.

Cinéma (Paris), January 1970.

Screen International (London), 18 June 1977.

Funnyworld, Fall 1978.

Funnyworld, Summer 1979.

Films and Filming (London), April 1982.

Screen International (London), 11–18 December 1982.

Television Weekly, 25 May 1984.

Starburst (London), September 1985.

Films and Filming (London), August 1988.

The Listener (London), 20 October 1988.

On WILLIAMS: articles—
Sight and Sound (London), Spring 1963.

Films and Filming (London), October 1963.

Roudévitch, Michel, in Cinéma (Paris), no. 98, 1965.

Cinema TV Today (London), 9 December 1972.

Filmmakers Newsletter (Ward Hill, Massachusetts), May 1973.

Monthly Film Bulletin (London), October 1973, additions in February 1974.

Movie Maker (London), December 1975.

Stills (London), May/June 1983.

National Film Theatre Booklet (London), April 1985.

Film Comment (New York), July/August 1988.

Times (London), 1 September 1989.

Films in Review (New York), November-December 1995.

Duncan, Celia, in Screen International (London), 22 March 1996.

Animato! (Springfield), no. 35, Summer 1996.

Neat if you can hunt down these articles easy.

Too bad I didn't have the chance to ask if you had the chance of telling either Alex or Roy if they had seen Richard's earlyi work or had copies of it (especially "The Little Island" and "Love Me Love Me Love Me" ).

Anyway, hope to post more again in the future!