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#227026
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
I like the Limara one too .... not the best animation, but sexy with nice music .... and the bizarre 2001/Close Encounters Vodka ad.

A hell of a lot of Pink Panther ads were on the Making of Nasruddin DVD, did you not see that?
I think I do now that you mention it.

I am attempting to convert the entire reel of ads to cleaned up NTSC 24p, plus the Warners trailer, the Pink Panther ads, etc.

That would be neat to see!

I am also trying to convert the Roger Rabbit Diet Coke ad into a cleaned up 24p version. Yep.


http://orangecow.org/thief/rogercoke.mp4

Roger Rabbit thinks you should drink Diet Coke.
An unusual commercial because it was clearly animated by Richard Williams Studio, possibly by Richard Williams himself ... who animated the actual feature film, so Diet Coke spared no expense. Bob Hoskins appears in new footage as Eddie Valiant, Charles Fleischer voices Roger, and that is possibly Amy Irving as Jessica Rabbit.

Just being reminded of having saw that back then as well, would ne neat to see what you can do with it.
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#227010
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/227010/action/topic#227010
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Richard Williams animated ads pt. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbOZBN64VNc
Some notes I want to give out for this one!

For a moment, I thought the opening of this looked familiar, when I noticed it was almost like the same video I had up to a certain point, then the new ads I haven't seen before came out! So much better quality than the crappy VHS tape with 20 minutes worth I was able to get.

Some ads of note I like to point out as rather neat ones include the one for Pushkin Vodka that almost didn't looke like it was going to be about anything in particular til the very end. The other vodka ad was rather amusing in the use of captions and corny stuff going on the screen! "Well, we're coming to the end... ...of this Vladivar Vodka advertisement... ...so we'll say goodbye... ...Goodbye!" (such a cute ad!)

Somehow I have a faint memory of seeing those ones for "Johnson's Cotton Buds", but I can't pinpoint where, but it reminded me of something I saw once many, many, many years ago when Disney Channel did a show that used to showcase animation of all sorts (this was back a little before the Eisner era so they weren't totally ruined yet). Also nice to see the remainder of that one ad with the fox character slowly morphing into a human that was on the Thames documentary.

pt. 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB9m4SY0_fE
Just like seeing the whole Frazetta-esque Jovan Sex Appeal ad. The one for Limara body spray was very good! I don't think we could get away with an ad that sexy in animated form around here! Noticed the Harlem Globetrotters one gets used a couple times in these sets as well. That ad used to be so common back then. I can remember it often being seen, but the sound would often have some announcer going off "The Harlem Globetrotters are coming to the Toledo Sports Arena October 11th. Tickets are available at all TicketMaster locations, don't miss it!"

pt. 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvFAonfw_IA
Liked the one for Cup 'o Noodles here with the samurai baseball bit. Funny it was called by that name, as it's current US edition often is called "Cup Noodles" (the Japanese original was "Cup Noodle"). The quickie of Pink Panther for TDK Super Avalyn videotape was rather cute (wonder how many products did that guy pimp over the past few decades). Noticed a few ads for WGN Radio here as well. Wonder if those ads were aired on the Superstation portion of WGN in the 80's (never had WGN myself back then so I wouldn't know for sure).

The "Frosties" ad was pretty good, and I only wish they still did that like that again when it the whole thing was a big secret Tony tried to hide all the time (before the uS ads began that "Brings out the tiger in you!" crap). Like seeing the Disney gang pimp for Fanta here. I don't think I ever saw a Fanta ad on American TV back then, but I think it was very big elsewhere. I do have that one ad of them playing soccer from a Japanese TV broadcast in my video collection (I have WAY too many Japanese CMs in my collection as it is).

The one thought that really sparked my interest was the one for Long Life beer with the Tex Avery-like cat trying to reach for a pint on a window sil (not a really convenient place to put your beer at when you think about it). Of some interest, I remembered seeing this very exact ad getting represented in an animation film festival compilation called 'Animation Celebration", of which the best I have of it was a pamphlet that was probably handed out at the time it premiered at two LA theaters back in '86 (and of which I'm posting here for interest).

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/939/animationcelebration1ago7.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3857/animationcelebration2aph3.jpg
:: Images were too large, edited to links instead.
- M

Of some interest, the program stated they only played 2 and a half minutes of the commercials, which makes me wonder if they just did it as a montage or only played a few as a sample then.

Kinda like noticing some of these having what looked like intros/outros that were probably put there when these things were compiled into little "showreel" type formats, perhaps to show to clients and other organizations interested in doing business with Williams & Co.

Warner Bros. Licensing Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aO4Oy6AoSs

Funny to see what this was about. The announcer sounds like he outta get into doing those crappy ephemeral films like "Boys Beware" on archive.org. :-)

Here's a guy who isn't too happy with the old Roger Rabbit NES game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx7fgev3xQ0

This is where that clip orginated from...
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=JamesNintendoNerd

This guy has a few other games he reviewed as well, such as "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" that he apparently had a horrible time trying to get through a section of the game that apparently made it hard on himself by the time he discovered what it was he was doing wrong. I still kinda liked the final line when he went he wanted to nail Roger to a cross! Also the bit of him calling Jessica was cute! I hope he'll get to do a new review soon.

I played the Roger Rabbit game cos I liked Roger ... but it was weird and complicated and hard. Pretty open-ended, which is interesting. I think it WOULD have been good years later with better technology to do the sort of free-wheeling detective story they were aiming for.

I only remember playing that game once when I rented it back when I used to be an avid NES gamer. Did anyone ever call that number to find out what to do next? Somehow I don't remember ever doing that myself. I just remember being confused by that game since I was probably in the same position as this guy was!

Nowadays doing a game like this on a newer platform would probably yield much better results and you'd probably get to do more interactions with the characters and settings in the game. Imagine how neat a game like this could be on the XBox 360 or such.
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#226344
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226344/action/topic#226344
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Dick Williams' classic Oscar-winning animated version of A Christmas Carol. Starring Alistair Sim. Enjoy. Youtubed by Ogg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZ0ParR794
That's so cool!

Noticed someone else had a simular idea, but put up a condensed edition to fit the 10 minute limit, and apparently from a different edition than the one I procured for ocp and Ogg's release. Looks pretty OK color-wise (than the 16mm print I found of this that was beat red). I only wish the VHS tape I had got of this special had a HiFi track as opposed to it's linear channel (and having to be recorded in LP as well). If I had the time and chance to, I would've liked trying to record the audio from my 16mm copy if it was possible to sub that in for the visuals of the tape.

Southern California folk, I will be at Comic Con again this year hanging around. Probably wearing a black Tack t-shirt from cafepress/cobbler one of the days.

I look like this.

http://www.orangecow.org/1pics/headshots/garrettonstepsshotweb.jpg

Wish I could be there!
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#225140
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/225140/action/topic#225140
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Scans at high resolution (300-600 dpi) would be MUCH MUCH MUCH better than blurry digital photos -- you ought to try that -- you have the most amazing Ken Harris/Thief collection I've ever seen, amazing, amazing stuff. Please do try to scan things.
Those are priceless!

Well, I'm back from a week without internet. Did you miss me?
I haven't!

I have a huge announcement to make.


THE THIEF AND THE COBBLER RECOBBLED CUT: MARK II

SNIPPED!

THIS is the version I'll be sending to Dick, and it's the version I'll be sending out from now on. Those asking me for the DVD now will be lucky -- you'll get a revised version which I'm even more proud of than before.

=)

Hope to get a copy of this too!
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#224384
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224384/action/topic#224384
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Originally posted by: Outfield
Originally posted by: ocpmovie Whose collection is that? Yours? Why don't you have a scanner? What an amazing collection.

Yes, actually it is mine - fresh from a 20 year old cardboard box. Ken's wife, Kathryn, was my grandmother. When she died, almost two years ago now, I was given the couple boxes of animation that she kept. Ken was never one to keep his drawings, or even sign much of anything. He also didn't like award shows or anything like that, and the few he did get he often gave away later. These boxes are full of all sorts of odds and ends, ranging from Ken's passports showing his yearly trips to England to work with Dick Williams, lists of all of the cars he had owned (he had done some race car driving as well as being a big car fan - his first drawings were actually for the car dealership he worked at), pictures of his tennis team (was an avid and apparently expert tennis player - I know he was invited to be a ref at Wimboldon one year but i don't think he took the offer), numerous birthday and Christmas cards (apparently animators like to draw cards and send them to each other instead of the visiting the store to buy one), and, as expected, various drawings and cels.
I'm only surprised any of it was kept like that. You don't know what a gold mine you have right now because of it.

What is posted is about half of what I have - the other half is what I imagine animators do when they are not making production drawings. They are carcatures and joke drawings of each other or scenes of around the office. There are probably around 150 of these all sitting in a few evenvopes marked "Leon Schlesinger days". Probably a couple gems in there, but have not gone through them yet.

Love to see more of the Schlesinger material myself.

What is there is pretty much everything I have from the Chuck Jones and Dick Williams days.

About the scanner, what advantage would the scanner be over a digital picture? I figure it would be a bit clearer (though you can click on the pics on the website, and then expand it from there, it does make the fuzzy ones stand out even more) and I need to retake some of the pics. I can probably get some scanner time if it would make a significant difference. Thanks.

Using a scanner wouldn't show the grains or minor blurs a digital camea photo would have obviously, especially if you were working with higher resolutions.
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#223030
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Considering that Zemeckis directed Dick's "other movie" masterfully, it's quite an interesting story. I'd never heard it before.

The problem is that you CAN'T make a real movie out of the footage that Williams had finished - no footage of Tack and the Princess was animated after the middle of the movie. So your protagonists vanish halfway through.

I'd be curious to see it, though. This gives me an excuse to actually try to write Bob Zemeckis.

This is starting to get very interesting!

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#222647
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
I know. Ken's work for Chuck Jones was so marvelously subtle, and Richard really exploited that part of Ken's brain, though with a simpler art style.

I can draw like a madman but I don't think I could ever make things "move well" like that.
I wouldn't mind learning to try though.

With thanks to John Mathot I applied for a job at The Simpsons today. At both Rough Draft and Film Roman. Wish me luck.
I still don't really see myself working on a show like that. I consider it more a writer's cartoon than an animator's one. It's first few seasons in my opinion were the best since they didn't have as much corporate handling as it became apparant in later years.

I also might be going in to help on Tom Green's internet talk show which seems like fun but doesn't pay.

Surprised he's still around. I really didn't care for him at all.

Bah. I am completely broke; I am leaving this place in less than a week, and I have almost no money, certainly nowhere near enough to get a new apartment. I have nowhere to go. I'm going to put my stuff into storage and look at being homeless for a while, or something. I'm not actually sure what I'm doing. I'll figure it out. A stray cat always lands on his feet.

That's true. I only wish I had that to go buy where I am. One of my dreams was operating my own animation studio in town with me running it (hopefully also make it a non-union operation, since I still can't stand where it would go if that happened). Seems like if you want something done, you'd have to do it yourself (I think my city has brought that notion to me with it's isolated interests). I only wish I had rich folks who wouldn't mind giving me a few thousand to start off with!
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#222334
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222334/action/topic#222334
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Dear god, that's terrific.
I was STUNNED!

Really, it's that good!


Whose collection is that? Yours? Why don't you have a scanner? What an amazing collection.
Seeing them via a scanner would've been great!

The Thief's name is given as "Abdul Salaam." Interesting as in Aladdin he became "Abu."

Also amazing - Princess Meemee's name is given as "Gul-Bibi." I've heard a different name for her before, but not that. And her prince Bubba is called "Sweetmeat the Beast." There's a very evocative drawing by Dick under "signed". It should be in the Thief section but isn't.

Guys - check out the "Christmas Cards" and "Personalized Drawings" sections - they're mostly RW related.

I just love that drawing with Ken joining the Thief in that famous bit from the War Machine seq.

Lot of great cels of the Thief from the parts that had been excised as well (such as the emerald in the jar bit).

Souldn't help but notice drawings under "other" having to be from several Disney features as well (The Aristocats, the animated sequence from Bedknobs & Broomstiks and Robin Hood).

Dick interviews Ken:
http://www.packthecat.com/PersistenceOfVision/Notes/KenHarrisInterview.html

A great site, a great tribute to someone who could make things "move well" better than pretty much anybody.

You just wish you were around when he was teaching those classes at Williams' studio and wanted to be a part of it!
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#221413
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Originally posted by: Shii
*and* the eventual release of Song of the South on DVD, among other things.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_the_South#Controversy

Reasons why I'm keeping my Japanese LD copy!

As for this release, I think it's a matter of writing him another letter. He did seem to have a project running c. 2000-2002 at least.

That's what I heard as well. Hopefully it might come back again (if the studio could settle the terms properly with Williams and all).
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#217766
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Yep, I keep reediting it, and they keep changing it back to be wrong.

Thanks for spotting the witch music!

I haven't sent a copy to Richard yet.


By the way ...

Very sorry to those waiting for the DVD. I was forced to move house, and then move back, this past week. I was without internet for an entire week. I am still without internet. To add to the insanity, my computer broke down completely - it won't turn on - I've sent it in for repairs. But my list of orders is on that computer. Supposed to be fixed on monday. (On an unrelated note, the people I live with decided to start stealing from me. I'm dealing with a lot right now.) So, just wait and I'll get to ALL the orders very soon. Gonna deal with some tomorrow. I have 99 unanswered emails right now, and I'll get to those too, as soon as I can. Monday sounds about right ....
You'll proably get to mien soon enough!

I do have good news - incredibly good news actually - kinda went nutty from joy today.

One JP Cummings has sent me what was my holy grail for this project, something I was searching for the entire time I was doing my edit but couldn't find.

A widescreen version of Fred Calvert's The Princess and the Cobbler. This is the version which still has the witch in it, the big one eye pull out eye shot, the march of the one eyes ... all the good stuff that Miramax cut out. It's not Dick's cut, but it's got more of the good stuff in it.

The VHS tape is 1st-gen, direct from Miramax. Quality is pretty damn good. A little dark maybe, but damn. All those amazing widescreen shots in widescreen?

The VHS has timecode, sadly covering the bottom middle of the picture. Nothing I can't work with.

Interestingly, this version is titled "The Thief and the Cobbler," showing that when Miramax bought Fred Calvert's version, they intended to restore its original title.

The VHS also has a trailer I've never seen before. It's also titled "The Thief and the Cobbler" and is somewhat similar to the Arabian Knight trailer we've seen, yet completely different. It's based on the "Princess" version of the film (including the witch), and clearly the Arabian Knight trailer was based on this, but this version is far less stupid and rather interesting.

All I can say is ... wow.

This is all cool!

I might do another version of the film that incorporates this material, we'll se. At any rate, this is wonderful to see.

Isn't that always the way - you finish work and suddenly the thing you've been looking for turns up.

Still, it would be great to see the final shot in the film in the way it was meant to be (before Miramax decided to go add in more BS to ruin the effect), as well as the witch scenes!
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#217130
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217130/action/topic#217130
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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Just got ahold of this. Skimming through it before I burn it, and already it looks more than worth the wait. Excellent stuff OCP. When and if I get my anime club up and running, I'll definately try to work a showing in.

Neat to heat that. Too often I wonder if what we really need is a club for a more general interest in animation than just "anime" as a word. The often used term of anime is actually more of what the Japense would use to refer to "cartoons" themselves, and doesn't really reflect what most Americans tend to equate it for Japanese cartoons.

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#215567
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/215567/action/topic#215567
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I really need to leave my two cents on this as well, I've watched your DVD a few days ago, mostly the commentary track you've done, and was just impressed at the outcome of it all (too often when I buy a DVD, I find myself going right to the commentary track since I've already seen the film over and over to the point that it's not always important that I watch it again, but watching it with a second opinion works so much better to me!

Again, great job as expected on this project! Much of what you've done such as the new additions were quite seamless and not as noticable on a normal TV. I'd probably keep watching this more than the workprint itself!
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#213354
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213354/action/topic#213354
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Someone connected to one of the Pirate Bay torrents a bit back and some of it uploaded ... so I think it's working.


I've gone ahead and put up the ENTIRE DVD THERE. Let's see if this works.


I'm not sure if these torrents are showing up in a search there yet, so just check Recent Torrents for them.

I so far connected to the thrid part myself (mainly for the workprint). Seems like it'll take longer for me since you're the only seeder for now.

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#210373
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210373/action/topic#210373
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Originally posted by: OgOggilby
Originally posted by: Studio Toledo
Thanks for the singular link to all of them Garrett! By the way, I had to find something on YouTube that Calvert had to be involved with I want to bring to attention!

I am the Greatest - The Adventures of Muhammad Ali

Just watch!


That's pretty horrible.

I'm only glad I haven't seen this before, but judging by the opening itself, it sounds totally tacky and unimaginative!

Still makes me giggle noticing he was "production coodinator" on "Roger Ramjet".
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#206898
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206898/action/topic#206898
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
In pt. 14, we meet the Mad and Holy Old Witch of the Desert Mountain!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7soCQ9KQOE
Nice seeing the improvements here. I especially like the way you've used the music to an excellent effect during some of the transitions such as the fades.

All right, I need to figure out how to do good conversions to DivX and Xvid on this Mac. Quicktime won't even do it right ... the version of Divx I have there is broken, nothing works on it. I think they took all the capability out of it to force me to use MPEG-4. Which doesn't give much compression bang for the filesize.

No advice from PC users please ... Mac users give me some advice here.
OK, I won't try to say anything about this, and I haven't used Macs in years.

Right now I'm downloading the Create bundle ... again ... from divx.com and I'll let you know how that goes.

ADDENDUM - Downloaded. Installed. Found a serial #. Their Divx creator is a little doodad with no apparent functionality. Christ, I hate this crap! They design it to look simple, have no buttons, like we're idiots and are impressed by that. If we're creating videos, we don't want cute doodads, we want programs that work. It lets me select a few presets, and there is a "custom" setting that I can't customize. I click Preferences and nothing happens.


Well ... once I ask it to encode something it does seem to be letting me specify settings now. I just hate this cutesy crap.

I know how upset you are. I was mad they discontinued the "Dr. DivX" program I'm still clinging onto on my PC. That one was a bit simple, but still workable for what I have to do with it.

ADDENDUM - Well, this is slow. Like, 5 hours for 5 minutes slow. Hm. Then again, I was asking it to really compress the hell out of this video.

Though I don't know what functions this might have, codecs like DivX offers choices such as doing one-pass or "multipass", as well as whether to go slow, stardard or fast. I too often pick or choose between options when I do my captures as well as change the bitrate depending on how much I want for my videos.

Still could use some Xvid advice ... Xvid conversion for Mac. I have FFmpeg and a few others which have never worked right for me for most things.

Well you won't be able to get any from me then, but hopefully some here will suggest a few options.
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#206166
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206166/action/topic#206166
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
I have that Dobbs article ... have borrowed the magazine it came from ... it's the ultimate in someone who's only really spoken to Calvert and Miramax thinking they know everything about this film when they really know nothing.


Really interesting for their side of it, but not to be taken as truth for the Williams side! Miramax and Calvert were only involved for a short time and did major damage, out of not understanding the film in the least, and to hear them talk about it as the ultimate source!


Even with the research I'd done, I had no idea how complex this story really was, as I've learned from speaking to those who were there, etc. The more you know ...
True!

Very interesting tidbits from Duffell and Giordano. Many thanks for that!

Well to update, I'm OK now, I found what I was looking for, and from a Chinese webpage no less (this is why I can never be mad at them for keeping some things from going stale)!
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#206154
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206154/action/topic#206154
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Originally posted by: OgOggilby
Why is it that so many people can't recognize the character development???

After reading all that you can't help but feel a little bitchy.

Personlly, I'm more pissed off at the inaccessability of certain things I try to find online. A few days ago some kind person from Canada sent me some DVDs filled with game and rom emulations, but one of the discs has a lot of unburned blotches and I can't get a version of the Mame32 installer to work off of it, and it's pissing me off that I can't find it now (being v.100 and the current is v.105). I just don't want to go through the BS of trying to reconvert the roms or do whatever to get a perfect bactch on my PC. I just hate it when this sort of thing happens.

Again, this has no relation to the thread itself, and I only wish I didn't have to bring it up, but it's driving me nuts!!!
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#205853
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/205853/action/topic#205853
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
OBSCURE VIDEO FORMAT REQUEST!

Michael Sporn writes:

Tissa David animated for about a year and a half on The Thief, round 1977. I have all of her pencil tests on video, however there's a big problem. She worked on an old style Lyon-Lamb machine, reel-to-reel tape. When the machine died on her, she wasn't able to view these tests, so she gave them to me. About three reels full of them and other animation she did at the time. I haven't been able to find anyone who can figure out how to transfer these old tapes - done at 24fps on that machine - to any other useable format. If you can figure it out, you're welcome to a copy of them.

Damn! More interesting things we need, yet the near-inaccessibility of getting to see it proves to be quite the challenge.

Hopefully the Elstree Studios trip will prove to be fruitful as well!

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#205851
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/205851/action/topic#205851
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Originally posted by: OgOggilby
Wow! It's so much more seamless... and I see that the last "fumes" shot utilizes the Calvert WIP version.

BTW, I used Photoshop to do a color replace:
http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/enuchs.jpg
I had to cut a matte around them, though, since it would slightly darken Tack due to his grey shades. (BTW, what's with his hands being so huge in that shot?)
Now it's perfect!

What's funny is that you can tell it was inked and painted in Korea... because they did the same thing to black characters when the Looney Tunes were colorized in the 1960's. One cartoon has a gag with a ghost in blackface and he's in purpleface instead.

Ah, political correctness...

I'm surprised you had to bring up those atrocities. I had to grow up on those horrible things back when the Looney Tunes were still on UHF television. I even have several of these cartoons on 16mm (with the Warner-Bros.-7 Arts logo I grew too fond of).

Nowadays cels from those redrawns get sold for rediculous prices on eBay. I'm surprised they weren't incinerated!

Lord knows we should never go back to those dark days of color television!

HA! Here's one I spot from "Ali Baba Bound!"
http://images.andale.com/f2/113/114/23383504/1146448878304_Image.jpg
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#205676
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/205676/action/topic#205676
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Originally posted by: OgOggilby
Good idea to cut out MeeMee. Even in the first workprint, you can kind of tell it was a placeholder. I'm guessing the final version would have just had Yum-Yum being shocked about the smell (as seen in the Calvert WIP). `

I sometimes wonder if the final line "Maybe something died!" should be kept given that I assume MeeMee said that originally.
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#205225
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Originally posted by: OgOggilby
I can't wait to hear the final audio track. When that part of "Tallis" started when Yum-Yum needs her shoe fixed, that was so wonderful. I did notice some stuff out-of-sync probably due to the workprint AVI having that bad sync.

By the way, I was messing around with Vegas and actually tried to stereoize some of the music... here's part of the opening: www.ctufilms.com/stereoopening.mp3 I don't think it's very good, but maybe there's a better way.
That sounds beautiful!

My problem with the Metropolis DVD is that it really doesn't go as in-depth as it should have. The commentary is mostly film theory stuff (Freud, phallocentrism, Jung, etc - standard film theory stuff) and the documentary is mostly on German expressionism and the restoration. I want to make a complement to that, which means my short piece would be more on the actors, the making of the film, a critical look at the movie, etc. Also, you'd enjoy the background on the relationships between von Harbou, Lang, Rudolf Klein-Rogge (Rotwang), and the composer Gottfried Huppertz. The restored cut is supposedly the most accurate re-creation of the original, except that it has some stuff explained in the intertitles for missing scenes that were cut out before the premiere (they didn't need to be mentioned). I think that the omission of some footage has to do with it being outtakes not meant to be in the film. I remember reading about Napoleon and how three different sources could have different takes or different editing forms. I've listened to parts of the Moroder score and they don't really impress me... but I'm kind of biased since the 1927 orchestral score is so great. The Madacy edition actually slows down the film to about 12-16 frames per second, which cheats the running time. Not to mention it's an absolutely hideous print/transfer.

I hope I'm not derailing on this. Now, the "Thief" episode would probably end up being a much longer episode since I want to sort of put in my ideas for the "Cutting the Golden Balls" thing.

Sounds like a very intriguing series!