StarkillerAG

I just got out of one of the worst emotional periods of my life.

For months, I’ve been trapped in an endless cycle of overblown paranoia, violent urges, and anarchist fantasies. There’s just been so much BS in the world recently (especially in the USA where I live), that it almost became a form of escapism for me to fantasize about how I’d use violence to set things right. Once I start a revolution, kill everyone who pisses me off, and become the new leader of the free world, everything will be fine, right? Or, so I told myself. In reality, it was just an illusion, a lie I told myself to avoid the feeling of powerlessness against a rigged system.

It was only today, when my fantasies reached their climax, that I was finally able to break out. Someone very important to me (who I won’t name here) had been subjected to my rants for long enough, and was finally done. They called me out on my crap, and finally drilled in the lesson that had flown over my head for years: why violence is wrong. According to them, it’s impossible to eliminate injustice completely. Killing one bad person won’t stop countless more bad people from abusing the innocent for their own personal benefit. But if I murdered them in a vain attempt to stop them, that would just result in my morality being squandered. I would rot in a jail cell for the rest of my life, and everyone would just know me as “the psycho who killed all those rich people”.

I attempted to refute their arguments, but I couldn’t. Deep inside, I knew I was wrong. So, I started to cry: something I hadn’t done in years. When I was done crying, and I finally admitted that they were right, it was like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders. I was free to be myself again: to work on being the best person I can possibly be, not get irrationally upset about issues I can’t solve.

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

nobodybutjarjar42 said:

exited for the 1080p version 😃

Maybe there’ll be a BD25 version.
I didn’t even check the first post but would be nice if there were subtitles.

There actually will be a BD25: Ady is planning to create Blu-ray files for the entire trilogy once everything’s done. And there were quite a few subtitle tracks on ESB, so the other 2 should hopefully have some as well.

CourtlyHades296 said:

Most of the best films of all time have already been made, and there’s not much being released nowadays that I have a desire to see now that superhero films are pushing out arthouse films and director-driven fare.

I feel you, man. Especially as a fan of old-style action movies with strong visuals and high-quality scriptwriting, it feels like the kind of movies I want to see are getting rarer and rarer. It’s either bland, regurgitated superhero BS, or slow-burn arthouse stuff that I’d rather watch at home. I do support the few movies that are along the lines of what I want to see (like Everything Everywhere or The Batman), but I have no desire to pay 20 bucks to see 98% of the stuff in theaters now.

TK42-WAN said:

I’m a big fan of Polanksi

raises eyebrow like the Rock

Vladius said:

StarkillerAG said:

Ending the prequels with an apparent “victory” does seem like an interesting route. The only flaw I can think of is that it would make the sequels seem even more derivative of the OT, given that both trilogies would begin with the previous heroes’ accomplishments being undone in the first paragraph of the crawl. 😉

Who cares what it does to the sequels?

You’re right, of course. I just couldn’t resist making that comparison.

bobafatt1 said:

Marooned Biker Scout said:

bobafatt1 said:

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

bobafatt1 said:

IVE MADE ANDOR INTO A MOVIE OF SORTS CUT OUT THE BORING EMPIRE DRIVELL AND JUST KEPT TO ADULT ANDOR NO LORDS OF THE FLYS WITHOUT SUBTITLES FLASH BACKS JUST STICK TO THE STORY OF ANDOR AS A MAN

BIG PASS FROM ME. Kill your cruise control.

each to their own don’t get the kill your cruise control line if you dont want to watch it that way cool

Just a guess, he probably meant please stop posting in all capital letters, or that this isn’t the thread to start talking about your edit?

Dazman said:

I agree with many of you, this show is amazing! Gilroy manages to expand the GFFA with new aspects and stories and make them interesting with great writing and the actors deliver with their performances. Tired, easy tropes are left in the background, we barely see x-wings, TIEs show up for a few moments and stormtroopers are in the background until the season finale. Gilroy not being a big SW fan really helped the show, as he probably had sort of a outsider eye for the whole thing. And they still have some hardcore fans in the production to make the world’s details match with what has come before. The fan service is organic and not in your face.

I never thought we’d see lines of dialogue delivered in such a great manner again in Star Wars. The four main monologues now up on the official Star Wars channel are a joy to watch and listen to. Just four among many of the strong acting performances and high standards of writing and character interactions throughout the series:

Kino Loy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKB67KzjO4A

Luthen Rael - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RCme2zZRY

Nemik - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-asb8zTiuZ4

Maarva - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaKrm5txGCQ
 

I also loved the “That’s just love” scene between Cassian and Maarva, I must have been cutting onions watching that. The same with Cassian receiving the news at the end of Episode 11. Diego Luna is such an amazing and nuanced actor in this.

And the Mon Mothma character throughout the series has been wonderful to watch, Genevieve O’Reilly was simply fascinating to watch on screen.
 

Tony Gilroy certainly has his work cut out for the season 2:

https://www.vulture.com/article/andor-tony-gilroy-finale-interview.html

"What we’re working on now, the second part of this project, is not about Cassian becoming radicalized. It is very much about, How difficult is it for the Rebel Alliance to come together with all the outliers and original gangsters? Different agendas and betrayals? The tension of the next four years as things pull together? The effect of time on people? "

my edit is simple i just focus on andor and his story not the empire and its political back biting at the ISB or the Mothma story line these aspects of the show just bored the life out of me its just one mans struggle to get on in the galaxy after accidentally killing a security guard while looking for his long lost sister

THIS IS NOT THE THREAD TO TALK ABOUT YOUR EDIT. If you want to post about it, make a new thread in the fanedit section. People might be willing to give it a chance then.

G&G-Fan said:

Have you considered simply using the OOT version of the Mos Eisley entrance? I personally prefer it.

It is mostly better, but the opening shot of the OOT scene is absolutely awful. Seriously, it’s one of the worst-looking effects shots in the movie. So I understand why Hal would rather use a modified SE for that shot, especially given the hybrid approach of the rest of the edit.

Ending the prequels with an apparent “victory” does seem like an interesting route. The only flaw I can think of is that it would make the sequels seem even more derivative of the OT, given that both trilogies would begin with the previous heroes’ accomplishments being undone in the first paragraph of the crawl. 😉

NeverarGreat said:

More generally, as far as redubbing a major character, Grievous is a good choice due to not needing any lip sync. I’d be curious to read your version of his dialogue incorporated into the scenes of the film.

Well, here’s my idea for the first couple of Grievous scenes. I attempted to do three things here: convey Grievous’s new history with Obi-Wan, imply that he’s at least somewhat Force sensitive, and reduce the Jedi’s flippant attitude towards him (since he’s no longer a joke character).

Talking to the Trade Fed captain

GRIEVOUS: I sensed an intruder, captain.

CAPTAIN: Two Jedi have landed in the main hangar bay. We’re tracking them.

GRIEVOUS: There you are, Obi-Wan…

Meeting Anakin and Obi-Wan

GRIEVOUS: Ah, Master Kenobi! It’s good to see you again. If you’re here to apologize, it’s too late. And… Anakin Skywalker. Do you really replace your apprentices so easily, Obi-Wan?

Grievous walks away, and turns around, revealing his saber collection.

GRIEVOUS: Your lightsaber will make for a nice memento, master.

OBI-WAN: Not this time. And this time, you won’t escape.

Obi-Wan and Anakin break free, slashing up battle droids until they finally confront Grievous.

GRIEVOUS: This isn’t the end, Obi-Wan.

Grievous breaks through a window, uses a grappling hook to grab onto the hull, and ejects in an escape pod.

GRIEVOUS: We’ll meet again.

The more I think about it, the more I’m leaning towards just keeping Grievous as is (and either keeping Anakin becoming Vader or doing the Adywan “make Vader seem like a generic mook” thing), but I’d still like to see if I can make this work.

NeverarGreat said:

1: How would Obi-wan be made to acknowledge that Grevious is his prior student? I suppose some introduction could be made during the crawl since that is also the case in the theatrical version, but it would need to be buttressed by dialogue from Obi-wan confirming their history. This would have to happen early in ROTS, since Obi-wan could only have taken another apprentice during the Clone Wars after Anakin had become a Jedi Knight.

Actually, I was planning to have Obi-Wan mentor Grievous before TPM: in my planned saga edit, it will be established that Padawans can tutor other Padawans in a Japanese senpai/kohai sort of fashion. And I don’t think it’s possible to have Obi-Wan mention a previous apprentice, but I was planning to add some redubbed lines from Yoda hinting at it. For example, after Qui-Gon says that Obi-Wan is ready to take an apprentice, Yoda says something like “Your Padawan had an apprentice once. Know how well that turned out, we do.” The teases would get more explicit in AOTC, until Grievous is finally revealed in ROTS.

2: If Grievous is already so far gone as to have a metal cranium, it would be pretty clear that this is not the character in the OT when we see the back of Vader’s head in ESB. There’s also the problem that Vader in the OT and Grievous in the PT have entirely different ways of moving, with Grievous being much more alien and animalisitic in his movements.

One, I’m planning to edit the OT too, and I already knew that I would have to cut out that helmet bit. And two, I feel like Grievous being more alien and animalistic could be explained by him, well, having an alien and animalistic body. It would be implied that after Grievous’s apparent death at Obi-Wan’s hands, his robot body was upgraded into a more lifelike, human form. Of course, this wouldn’t turn out to actually be the case, but still.

3: Obi-wan in ANH says that Vader betrayed and murdered Luke’s father. However, there is no one-on-one fight between Grievous and Anakin, and Grievous dies in act 2 long before we see the last of Anakin. If the film is cut to imply that Grievous survives, this would also necessitate Anakin surviving to be killed later by Grievous, but this introduces many more problems as well as leaving unclear how Grievous would ‘betray’ Anakin if he was already a darksider when they met (this is a problem with my latest Prequel concept as well, but it could easily be fixed by having Obi-wan’s apprentice meet and befriend Anakin earlier in their adventures).

I thought about that too, but I figured it would be fine if the audience already knows that Obi-Wan is lying to at least some degree. There are some edits that already do that by having the “reveal” in ESB be that Anakin survived the Mustafar battle and became Vader, but I think my idea is an improvement by allowing Vader to still be described as Obi-Wan’s apprentice rather than just some generic mook.

I know I’ve been very vocal about my opposition to prequel edits that try to preserve the ESB reveal (I think the saga is best when watched in release order), but NeverarGreat made a suggestion in a prequel rewrite thread that I think is the best way it could possibly be pulled off. Basically, the idea is that Anakin’s turn to darkness is more subtle and politically motivated, and Obi-Wan has another, already evil apprentice who serves as the main villain of Episode III. At the end of the movie, both Anakin and the evil apprentice appear to die, leaving the audience to wonder which apprentice became Vader (and hopefully think it’s the one who isn’t Anakin).

So, I figured the idea was neat enough that I should figure out how to implement it in an actual edit. Giving Anakin a less extreme turn was fairly easy (several edits have already gone down that route), but contriving an evil apprentice that never existed in the actual movies was much more difficult. That is, until I came to a realization: General Grievous could be turned into Obi-Wan’s apprentice.

I know that sounds like the dumbest idea ever, but just hear me out. Several editors have already come up with the idea of redubbing Grievous into Darth Maul seeking revenge, and the way they approached it is very similar to the way I want to approach Grievous. An old enemy from Obi-Wan’s past was severely injured in a fight with him years ago, and as a result, they were implanted into a cyborg body. My idea is basically the same thing, just with Grievous having an additional reason to hold a grudge against Kenobi.

Throughout the movie, Grievous’s voice and speech patterns would be altered to sound much more similar to Vader: a deep baritone with semi-British touches, accompanied by flowery language and the same ways of referring to characters as Vader (Kenobi as “Obi-Wan”, Sidious as “Master”). This, accompanied with toning down the Vader-isms in Christensen’s Anakin performance, should hopefully make the audience automatically assume that Vader is Grievous in a new body, especially when Obi-Wan refers to him as a pupil that turned evil.

So, is this a good idea, or the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard? I’m not sure, but I think I just cracked the code to “saving the reveal”.

That’s an interesting idea, Nev. In general, the prequel rewrites that involve Obi-Wan having two apprentices that both turn evil fall incredibly flat for me (it’s obvious who really became Vader, even to a hypothetical first-timer), but your idea obscures the obviousness enough that I could imagine a first-time watcher being almost completely blindsided by the ESB reveal. I might try contriving something like that for the saga edit that I’ve been thinking of recently.

BedeHistory731 said:

That one uber prequel apologist, So Uncivilized, lost all credibility for me when he championed Nerdonymous’ video.

You mean the one who did a video that basically said “Sure, the prequels’ dialogue is awful, but that makes it memorable, so you aren’t allowed to criticize it”, but stretched out to 10 minutes long? Yeah, he had no credibility to me from the very beginning.

Superweapon VII said:

Anyway, here’re Lucas’ handwritten notes for the proposed 12-episode saga:

Couldn’t find larger copies, so you’ll have to squint. Sorry.

Holy crap, I’ve been looking for those for so long! I remember seeing George’s original saga plans years ago, but I wasn’t able to find anything about them afterwards, to the point where I thought I had just imagined them. Thanks so much!

Hal 9000 said:

Fascinating little snippet. I wonder if it’s sort of all fun and games until it happens to oneself, as his sentiment about looking forward to seeing how people ostensibly remix existing films using the Internet did not seem to carry over into The Phantom Edit.

I mean, did Lucas ever publicly complain about that? I haven’t seen every one of his interviews, but it seems like he stayed fairly quiet when it came to the prequel editing scene. Plus, he clearly took the main selling point of that edit to heart by drastically reducing Jar-Jar’s presence in AOTC.

Spuffure said:

Superweapon VII said:

And since I’ve been reminded: Fast Times at Ridgemont High is not a good movie.

I’m curious: what are some other '80s “classics” you dislike?

I’m not him, but for me, it’s Caddyshack. That was my dad’s favorite movie as a teenager, and he always talked about how he wanted to show it to me when I was old enough. But we ended up watching it, and it was just so bland. I barely even remember a single thing about it, I just remember that literally none of the jokes landed at all. Even my dad was wondering why the hell he ever liked that movie.

I do disagree with you on 80s music sucking though, although I guess it’s mainly because I have a much higher level of cheese tolerance than most people. Those songs where a guy with absurd hair screams about believing in yourself while another guy with absurd hair shreds on a guitar are ridiculous, but damn they’re fun. It’s basically the shonen anime spirit transferred into musical form.

Finally saw Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery last night. It was… an interesting movie. I’m not sure if it was good, but it was certainly interesting.

The thing you need to know before seeing Glass Onion is that it’s not really a murder mystery. It seems like one at first, but it’s not. It’s really more of a middle finger to tech billionaires (especially Elon Musk), disguised as a murder mystery. If you go in expecting biting social commentary with all-too recognizable personalities and an incredibly cathartic ending, you’ll be pretty pleased. But if you go in expecting an intelligent, intricately-plotted thriller like the first movie, you’ll walk away disappointed.

Overall, it’s a pretty good movie in its own right, but the original movie is way better. I’ve watched the original several times by now, but I doubt I’ll ever rewatch Glass Onion more than once.

Well, it’s been a while since my last canon list, with a lot more new stuff out, so here I go again. This time, I’m not gonna create “tiers” of canon like I did before, and I’m just gonna focus on creating the most satisfying single timeline:

• Tales of the Jedi comic (as a distant, semi-canon prologue)
• The Phantom Menace
• Tales of the Jedi miniseries (only the Dooku episodes)
• Attack of the Clones (extended edition)
• The Clone Wars 3D (minus the dumb episodes)
• Revenge of the Sith (extended edition)
• Solo
• Andor
• Rebels (minus the dumb episodes)
• Rogue One
• A New Hope (theatrical, or Revisited when that comes out)
• Original Marvel comic (1977-1980)
• Empire Strikes Back (theatrical or Revisited)
• Original Marvel comic (1980-1983)
• Return of the Jedi (theatrical, or Revisited when that comes out)
• The Mandalorian (first two seasons only)
• The Force Awakens (first half of a distant, semi-canon epilogue)
• The Last Jedi (second half of a distant, semi-canon epilogue)

My final verdict for everything from Rebels onwards depends on how Ahsoka and Mando season 3 play out. If they turn out to be good, Rebels and the first two sequels stay in the list, with Boba and the new Mandoverse installments being added as well. But if they turn out to be bad, Rebels gets cut from the list, the Thrawn trilogy becomes canon, and the Hand of Thrawn duology replaces TFA and TLJ as the distant, semi-canon epilogue.

I watched Full Metal Jacket a few days ago, but even now I have almost no words for how great that movie is. As of right now, I seriously think it’s my favorite Vietnam movie of all time. It may be the most “real” feeling depiction of the war that I’ve ever seen: no hyper-stylized melodrama, no grand Shakespearean speeches about the true meaning of freedom, just a cold, unforgiving look at how decent people can be turned into monsters. Some people complain that the movie has no real point, but I’d argue that was very much intentional: Vietnam was a long, ugly conflict, with the lines between “good” and “evil” being basically nonexistent. The fact that there is no point is, ironically, the point.

I watched Kill Bill this week, both volumes.

At first, I was kind of let down. This might be a hot take, but I think Vol. 1 is Tarantino’s worst movie. It’s the definition of style over substance: just a never-ending deluge of nonsensical plot points and ridiculous violence, with almost no substance or depth to anything. The soundtrack kicks ass, but that’s the only outstanding part of the entire movie.

Vol. 2 is a lot better though. There’s less blood, less cheese, and more nuance. Tarantino’s strongest aspect, his dialogue writing, is at full force here. Almost every character from the first movie is given much more depth than they seemed to have at first. The soundtrack’s still amazing too.

Over all, I’m glad I watched it, but I still wouldn’t consider it Tarantino’s best. It’s a shame that this movie forever associated Tarantino with “ridiculously bloody hyper-violence” in most people’s minds, when he’s so much more than that.

Tantive3+1 said:

1. For the 2004 DVD Set, the fullscreen editions were released in a gold color, and the widescreen editions were released in a silver color. For the 2006 Limited Edition Set, what was the official box art for it? I ask because I see different box art and DVD covers for this one.

The original release of the GOUT had gold colored headers, with the box art being photoshopped recreations of theatrical posters. There was a second release in 2008 that was a whole trilogy box set, with Luke and Vader fighting over a blue background on the cover, so that might explain the confusion.

2. Were the official PT DVDs released as a box set?

Yes, to accompany the GOUT box set released in 2008. The cover had a matching design to the OT cover, with Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting over a red background. There were no changes from the individual releases though.

3. For the 2011 “The Complete Saga” Blu-ray Set, there’s one set that looks like this,
   

And another that looks like this

What’s the difference between the two release-wise?

The first one was the initial release of that version, done in 2011. The second one was a rerelease done to promote The Force Awakens in 2015. However, there are no differences in actual content.

“I’ve come to make an announcement: Shadow the Hedgehog’s a bitch-ass motherfucker. He pissed on my fucking wife.”

“That’s right. He took his hedgehog fuckin’ quilly dick out and he pissed on my FUCKING wife, and he said his dick was ‘THIS BIG,’ and I said ‘that’s disgusting.’”

“So I’m making a callout post on my Twitter dot com. Shadow the Hedgehog, you got a small dick. It’s the size of this walnut except WAY smaller.”

“And guess what? Here’s what my dong looks like. That’s right, baby. Tall points, no quills, no pillows, look at that, it looks like two balls and a bong.”

“He fucked my wife, so guess what, I’m gonna fuck the earth.”

“That’s right, this is what you get! My SUPER LASER PISS!”

“Except I’m not gonna piss on the earth. I’m gonna go higher. I’m pissing on the MOOOON!”

“How do you like that, OBAMA? I PISSED ON THE MOON, YOU IDIOT!”

“You have twenty-three hours before the piss DROPLETS hit the fucking earth, now get out of my fucking sight before I piss on you too!”

LexX said:

I couldn’t care less about “Lucas canon” and so should everyone, that’s my point.

But he clearly cares, and that’s my point. It’s fine to have an opinion on what’s the “best” version, but the OP came in with a clear request, and I responded accordingly. You can’t expect to just force everyone to have the same taste that you do.

Hal 9000 said:

Oh, boy. I’ve been sick and outta commission, and as we all know the vortex maintains relative sync as long as it’s open. I don’t know how StarkillerAG managed to hijack it, but thanks for covering me.

He’s given away too much. Only vague answers if we give answers at all.

Thanks, Hal. And yeah, I did get the feeling I caused some major timeline disturbances by specifying how the OT characters died. I’ll edit it to reduce bootstrap paradox potential.

LexX said:

StarkillerAG said:

If all you want removed is the “Noooo”, then you should probably track down the 2004 DVD version. Vader’s line was added to the movie for the 2011 Blu-ray release. There are some other changes in that version too, but none of them are as noticeable as Vader’s “Noooo”.

While this is true, I’d rather go with the 1997 Special Edition if the SE is what you want.

But there are way more changes introduced in the 2004 edition then there are in the 2011 version, so if the OP wants an experience that’s as close to the “official” version as possible, I think 2004 is the way to go. For example, Hayden doesn’t show up in the 1997 version, and given how much the OP seems to be an adherent to Lucas canon, that would probably be a big sticking point for them.