StarkillerAG

The working title of TLJ was “Space Bear,” so including bears actually makes a lot of sense 😉

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Indeed very much like the shot of the Tusken Raider in ANH. Here’s the scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjkCl-LhbGU

Obviously, the bluray will give you a much better look at what’s been done here.

It looks like different areas of the background have been affected in different ways. The center background moves normally at first, then moves in reverse after the foreground person passes by, then freezes for the rest of the shot. The left and right backgrounds are static at first, then start moving as the foreground person passes by.

Hal 9000 said:

• Remove the silly mugshot of Hux after commenting on Poe’s X-wing approaching

That moment never bugged me, but I understand why people want to remove it.

• Remove Rey interpreting Chewbacca to Luke (He just responds with “The Falcon?”)

I’d prefer if that scene stayed the way it is. Removing that bit creates makes the scene feel weird.

• Remove Luke’s quip about Jakku being “pretty much nowhere” (the new movies are somewhat snarky in ways the OT never was IMHO, and so I’d rather keep Luke away from that - humor, but not gags)

Good idea. I never really liked that joke. Jakku was the site of the final battle between the Rebellion and the Empire, it isn’t “pretty much nowhere.”

• Remove Rose responding to Finn’s “MTFBWY” with “you too.”

Another good idea. Rose fangirling over Finn is one of my biggest gripes with that subplot.

• Tighten up Finn and Rose’s reaction to Maz’s “Oh yes, he can” for better timing

I’d prefer if the joke was cut completely. Double entendres aren’t part of the OT’s style of humor.

• Reinstate a trimmed version of the balcony scene overlooking kids and horses being beaten on Canto Bight

I’d really like this. The lack of political context is one of the sequels’ weak points, so it’s good to have at least some backstory for how the First Order rose to power.

• Reinstate Rey asking Kylo Ren if he has a cowl to put on

I’d prefer if that line was cut. I’ve never been a fan of Rey and Kylo’s relationship, so I’d like to downplay it as much as possible.

I’d also like an updated version. Could you please PM me the link?

Here’s what I’d like to see for a hybrid v5/v6 version of COD:

-Remove Anakin making excuses about why he crashed Watto’s pod
-Revert the podrace to the way it was in v5, with added music and no Wacky Races antics
-Remove added “sacred place” voiceover

And for TAS:

-Remove Jar Jar greeting Obi-Wan and Anakin
-Remove Jar Jar fumbling his words as he accepts his new duties
-Remove Anakin making Padme uncomfortable

It took me about 50 viewings before I noticed the stormtroopers interrogating rebel soldiers in the background of this shot.

You’re gravely mistaken. GOUT refers specifically to the 2006 bonus DVDs. The 70mm version of ESB is its own separate thing.

I wonder if it’s possible to insert some of the casino shots from the deleted scenes. That way, you get the feeling that Finn and Rose took a long time to search for the codebreaker, without having to reinsert the awful coin gag.

The Google Drive link to this edit is down.

captainsolo said:

the LoC doesn’t even have an original print on file

They actually have 2 original prints, according to the LOC website. One of the prints is “preservation material,” the other is a “reference print.”

LordPlagueis said:

ForceGhostRecon said:

Youtube comments are getting pretty crazy. Ivan has evidently hypnotized an army of TLJ-haters into adamantly defending his edit… one guy (a self-proclaimed monetary contributor to the edit) said he has ‘seen fanedits before and most are sh!t’ but ironically, thinks Ivan hit the ball right out of the park. yikes…

Maybe the comment was satirical?

I highly doubt it. Ivan’s fans are too simple-minded to understand satire.

LordPlagueis said:

StarkillerAG said:

LordPlagueis said:
The Hux monologue is a thousand times better than the Hux prank call, which turns a menacing fascist general from The Force Awakens into a bumbling idiot.

I’d prefer if the Hux scene was cut completely. Hux was menacing in TFA, we don’t need to re-establish that.

I thought the "activating magnetic bombardment was a nice touch.

This isn’t Star Trek though, it’s fantasy. Not everything needs an explanation.

I am not against the Finn-Rose subplot, but I hated the Maz Kanata hologram action scene and DJ’s stuttering.

I hated a lot more than that: Rose fangirling over Finn, the wacky casino, the unnecessary war profiteering message, freeing the animals and not freeing the slaves, Phasma returning only to die again, and BB-8 in an AT-ST.

These are fair criticisms.

Ivan Ortega’s cut of Finn’s sacrifice was far preferable to the theatrical version. Stopping Finn from sacrificing himself endangered the Resistance and dishonored her sister, who similarly sacrificed herself. Although I prefer edits where an AT-At shoots down Finn, this is an improvement.

Why can’t an AT-AT shoot Finn down? Other edits have shown how easy it is. Including footage of Finn dragging Rose back to base just asks more questions than it answers.

An AT-AT shooting Finn down is a better idea, but either idea is better than the theatrical version.

The mention of spies is necessary to explain why Holdo never reveals her secret plan.

No, it isn’t. Poe’s recklessness destroyed half the fleet and got him demoted. That should be enough of a reason why Holdo never tells Poe the plan.

I am surprised anyone would complain about Ackbar replacing Holdo in the hyperspace kamikaze. Holdo never had a character arc: She refuses to reveal her secret plan for no reason and then dies. If an established character sacrifices himself instead, the scene carries a greater emotional weight.

It’s less Holdo’s arc and more Poe’s arc. Holdo is a plot device that teaches Poe not to let his emotions control his actions. If Holdo, a character that Poe thought couldn’t be trusted, sacrifices herself to save the fleet, it emphasizes that lesson. Ackbar taking Holdo’s role in the suicide run is just blatant fan-service that sacrifices storytelling.

There is no correlation between sound military strategy and suicide bombing. Am I supposed to believe that if an admiral sacrifices herself, her military strategy was wise and her doubters were foolish? In terms of military strategy, Holdo’s plan was to evacuate in emergency craft without light speed–instead of in escape pods with light-speed–to a planet in plain sight of the First Order.

Poe’s relationship with Holdo conveys the value of obedience to authority. Holdo’s hyperspace kamikaze conveys the value of self-sacrifice. These are distinct themes, so the latter sequence cannot enhance the former sequence thematically.

The screenwriters should have killed off Poe when he and Finn crash-landed on Jakku. In The Force Awakens, Poe is so insistent that they retrieve BB-8 one moment only to desert the planet without retrieving him the very next, contradicting his character motivation. When Poe shows up after seeming to die earlier in the film, I could tell that J.J. Abrams rewrote the script to satisfy Oscar Isaac instead of to tell a good story.

I get it, you don’t agree with me. Can you please stop rebutting my rebuttals before this thread goes completely off the rails?

vlad78 said:

You make some good points, even though I disagree with most of them. At this point, I feel like I should make my own TLJ edit to show people what I want from the movie.

LordPlagueis said:
The Hux monologue is a thousand times better than the Hux prank call, which turns a menacing fascist general from The Force Awakens into a bumbling idiot.

I’d prefer if the Hux scene was cut completely. Hux was menacing in TFA, we don’t need to re-establish that.

I thought the "activating magnetic bombardment was a nice touch.

This isn’t Star Trek though, it’s fantasy. Not everything needs an explanation.

I am not against the Finn-Rose subplot, but I hated the Maz Kanata hologram action scene and DJ’s stuttering.

I hated a lot more than that: Rose fangirling over Finn, the wacky casino, the unnecessary war profiteering message, freeing the animals and not freeing the slaves, Phasma returning only to die again, and BB-8 in an AT-ST.

Ivan Ortega’s cut of Finn’s sacrifice was far preferable to the theatrical version. Stopping Finn from sacrificing himself endangered the Resistance and dishonored her sister, who similarly sacrificed herself. Although I prefer edits where an AT-At shoots down Finn, this is an improvement.

Why can’t an AT-AT shoot Finn down? Other edits have shown how easy it is. Including footage of Finn dragging Rose back to base just asks more questions than it answers.

The mention of spies is necessary to explain why Holdo never reveals her secret plan.

No, it isn’t. Poe’s recklessness destroyed half the fleet and got him demoted. That should be enough of a reason why Holdo never tells Poe the plan.

I am surprised anyone would complain about Ackbar replacing Holdo in the hyperspace kamikaze. Holdo never had a character arc: She refuses to reveal her secret plan for no reason and then dies. If an established character sacrifices himself instead, the scene carries a greater emotional weight.

It’s less Holdo’s arc and more Poe’s arc. Holdo is a plot device that teaches Poe not to let his emotions control his actions. If Holdo, a character that Poe thought couldn’t be trusted, sacrifices herself to save the fleet, it emphasizes that lesson. Ackbar taking Holdo’s role in the suicide run is just blatant fanservice that sacrifices storytelling.

The Rise of Skywalker Spoilerboard:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit#

A lot of neat info, including some important plot details.

I just watched this edit a few hours ago, and I mostly agree with the people who have already given their thoughts, but I’m going to try an in-depth review of this edit, explaining my thoughts on specific changes.
The opening scene:
I don’t like how Ivan edited the prank call into a Hux monologue: it feels unnecessary. I’m glad that the dumb “wipe that nervous expression” joke is gone, but I liked the BB-8 plug joke that Ivan also removed. The added footage in the bomber scene is interesting, but unnecessary. The voiceover saying “activating magnetic bombardment” to explain how the bombs fall is also unnecessary. Same thing with the added footage of Kylo on a star destroyer.
Luke on the island:
Changing Luke’s character to be more of a wise old Jedi is an interesting idea in theory, but it was executed poorly. The new Luke lines sound nothing like Mark Hamill, and they’re way too quiet. Luke’s character also drastically changes between scenes. In some scenes he’s a wise old Jedi who encourages Rey’s training, but in other scenes he’s a cynical hermit who wants the Jedi to end. The training montage is also an interesting idea, but there isn’t enough existing footage to make it work.
Finn and Rose:
I’m surprised this subplot is still in the movie. There are many edits that cut it completely, and it works great. I like the trims Ivan made to this subplot, but they aren’t enough to save it. The Finn and Rose scenes are also way too far apart: There are many parts that are just Luke and Rey scenes edited together, and just when I get interested in Luke and Rey’s story, the movie cuts back to Finn and Rose. Having a TIE fighter shoot Finn down just asks more questions than it answers. Didn’t Rey and Chewie shoot all the fighters down? What happened to Rose? Who was that woman Finn dragged back to the base?
Admiral Ackbar:
The new Ackbar scenes weren’t executed well at all: the rotoscoping is painfully obvious, and the new Ackbar lines sound awful. Ackbar introducing Holdo adds nothing except for a line about Imperial spies which is never mentioned again. Ackbar replacing Holdo in the suicide run is just pointless fanservice, and it hurts Holdo’s character arc if she just happened to be on one of the transports that got blown up instead of going out in a blaze of glory.
In a nutshell:
A very disappointing final product for an edit that took a whole year to make. The audio editing sounds awful, and the deleted scenes have a low framerate for some reason. I will never watch this edit again unless Ivan finishes the lightsaber duel, but given his track record he probably won’t.

If you can’t include Anakin’s saber being destroyed, then you should probably keep the droid factory scene out. The movie is better without it.

Hal 9000 said:

All right, here’s the entire sequence, deleted scene included, for your consideration. (I’ve improved the audio a little since the prior clip, too.) Project yourself back into a physical theater seat in May 2002. Feel the cushion beneath you, smell the popcorn, and roll your eyes gently at the small child sitting in the row in front of you. Then, consider whether the following clip or the existing version of TAS better meets your expectations for a complete, finished film.

https://vimeo.com/342042553
password: fanedit

Even with your trims, this scene still doesn’t work for me. The only thing that would make this scene necessary to include is Anakin’s lightsaber being destroyed. If you can’t include that bit while removing Artoo and Threepio, then you should probably keep the scene out.

I found some interesting DVD covers on Reddit: The entire Star Wars saga (IX included) in the style of the Faces VHS covers.

https://imgur.com/a/bYZFwip

Did you need to quote the whole thing?

You can PM Hal for the links. Click on Hal’s profile pic, then click “Start a private topic.”

Please, no droid factory scene. It’s probably the worst scene in the movie. I like Hal’s approach to removing the scene as is.

The 3-in-1 edit “A Galaxy Betrayed” did a great job at removing Kamino. It inserted the deleted droid analysis scene, redubbing the droid to say that the toxic dart came from Geonosis. You might want to do something similar.

Is it just me, or does it look like they’re fighting on the Falcon?

Adywan posted this 10 years ago and I’m pretty sure he’s a prophet:

adywan said:

An extended lightsabre fight with Obi-Wan and Vader replaced by CG so Obi-Wan can now do back-flips and they can both twirl their lightsabres for 5 minutes without making contact.