The main problem with that idea is that Kylo isn’t wearing his mask, and he doesn’t have his facial bandages either. It would be too much of an obvious continuity error, and it would be weird for Kylo to never mention the resurrected Palpatine for the rest of the movie.
A Mary Sue doesn’t cease to be a Mary Sue just 'cause she has ubermensch genes.
In this case it does. Rey doesn’t want her immense powers and in TROS appears at odds with his heritage.
And for people who say “character from nowhere is a new and bold idea”…
He was made by the Force, he’s literally space Jesus. He’s the opposite of nobody.
We’ve seen a hero from nowhere in the PT.
Once again, Anakin isn’t nobody, he’s basically space Jesus.
We’ve seen a hero from Jedi heritage in the OT.
Now we’ve seen a hero from Sith heritage in the ST.
But Luke had Sith lineage too. I thought that was the entire purpose of the famous reveal in ESB. And that’s the main reason why I dislike Rey Palpatine. It feels like a ripoff of the OT, while Rey Nobody actually feels like something original.
People would likely salivate over the return to Mustafar
In name only. I’m still pissed about that.
You missed my point. The concept art suggests a return to Mustafar that fans would salivate over, but the final execution is such that who cares. This could easily have been the case with some of the Trevorrow concept art.
Makes sense. If they actually produced Trevorrow’s script, they might have replaced Coruscant with some boring grey wasteland or something. But we’ll never know.
People would likely salivate over the return to Mustafar
In name only. I’m still pissed about that. The least he could have done was add Vader’s castle covered in vines or something, but JJ decided to remove all recognizable elements of Mustafar because he hates the prequels with every fiber of his being.
I disagree with that article completely. Rey Palpatine wasn’t done for any storytelling reason, it was just done to please people who were pissed that Rey was a nobody in TLJ. And I really don’t like Rey taking the Skywalker name without permission, just because some ghosts smiled at her. If Jeff Bezos smiled at me, would that mean I’m a billionaire? Rey’s arc in TROS makes no sense, and it devalues TLJ’s message that anyone can be a hero. It’s one of those moments that was clearly designed to be a dig at TLJ, like “Go away, Rose!” and “A Jedi’s weapon deserves more respect.”
Well, you are certainly entitled to disagree, but people take names all the time without any permission. Authors and actors adopt a professional name and they are free to pick anything they like. In one of my jobs, I encountered someone who had legally changed their name to Jean-Luc Picard. Name are not proprietary or owned. We adopt people into our families all the time and give them our name. We don’t have to get our ancestor’s permission.
That’s different though, because people typically don’t take the names of real people. If your co-worker changed his name to Martin Luther King, that would be weird. Same thing with Rey taking the name of the Skywalkers, who are real people in the Star Wars universe.
And Rey’s journey in TROS is really a continuation of her journey in TLJ. TLJ was about anyone can be powerful in the force. Rey is given a curve ball in that. Her parents were nobodies (in the force - if her father had any gift his father would have been after him) but her bloodline was from the dark side. That poses a challenge when she wants to be the hero. Yes, this no longer makes her a nobody, but it questions the destiny of your blood. Anakin was a noble Jedi seduced by the dark side, but as far as we know, Palpatine was always dark. Luke overcame his bloodline to be a Jedi, but his nephew fell to the dark side. Does Rey have a choice in her destiny? The movie, and especially the final scene, makes that a clear yes. She can choose to be something other than what her bloodline would dictate. She takes the name of the family she found rather than her family by blood.
That’s just Luke’s arc, and Kylo’s arc too. I like Rey Nobody because it gives Rey an original character direction, and TROS undoes that to give us yet another evil ancestor storyline.
And contrary to what you think, I believe that Luke, the only one with the Skywalker name, would have given her permission. After all, he trained her knowing who he grandfather was.
Which was a dumb retcon that didn’t make any sense. At least Obi-Wan and Yoda told Luke that his father was a Jedi. It makes no sense for Luke to go from “Who are you, I don’t even know you” to “I knew all along lol”.
So I felt that TROS expanded on that and hinted that Finn might be force sensitive as well. I found the real themes (not the false “let the past die” nonsense) of TLJ to be carried forward in TROS and enhanced. I don’t feel anything was thrown out, only build upon.
The movie only hinted at Finn’s Force sensitivity, it didn’t outright show it. Finn’s character arc in this movie was mostly just yelling “REEEEEYYYY!!!” constantly. So I wouldn’t say that TROS builds on TLJ’s themes.
I disagree with that article completely. Rey Palpatine wasn’t done for any storytelling reason, it was just done to please people who were pissed that Rey was a nobody in TLJ. And I really don’t like Rey taking the Skywalker name without permission, just because some ghosts smiled at her. If Jeff Bezos smiled at me, would that mean I’m a billionaire? Rey’s arc in TROS makes no sense, and it devalues TLJ’s message that anyone can be a hero. It’s one of those moments that was clearly designed to be a dig at TLJ, like “Go away, Rose!” and “A Jedi’s weapon deserves more respect.”
Not that it’s canon anymore but the Legends continuity clearly established it as a definitive light side power and had Jedi that were dedicated healers, but no one complained about it then.
I didn’t know about that. In that case, that’s dumb too.
she studied the ancient Jedi texts which might have included techniques and things that were lost
I doubt anything could get “lost” in the Jedi archives. They had the largest library of Force knowledge in the galaxy, if Force healing was a valid power they would know about it.
Rey was able to manifest powers like force lightning instinctively because of who she was, so it makes sense that she’d have the other side of the coin.
Force lightning is a dark side power, she has it because of Palpatine. I doubt Palpatine could use any light side powers.
That’s exactly what the librarian says in Episode 2, “if an item doesn’t show up in our records, it doesn’t exist.” I thought it was well understood that that was a manifestation of arrogance on the Jedi’s part. The Jedi archives in the prequels were all digital records and the original Jedi texts in the sequels are the only old fashioned books to ever appear in the series. Something could have been lost; Luke had to “go looking” for the first Jedi temple so the books could have been the same way.
The files on Kamino were lost because Dooku deleted them, not because they were accidentally deleted by some clueless librarian. The Jedi Archives on Coruscant contained hundreds of times more info than the Jedi Texts on Ach-To, there’s no way the Jedi wouldn’t know about Force healing.
Hypothetically Palpatine could if he chose to. That’s what I like about Rey having it, it shows that Palpatine could have used his powers for good but decided to be evil.
It’s impossible to use the dark side for good. Lucas’ depiction of the Force was very binary, there’s no in-between. All these post-modern interpretations of the Force have nothing to do with how it was depicted in the Lucas saga.
But we’re getting off-topic here.How is this off topic?
Because this conversation doesn’t have anything to do with fan edits. The first post explicitly states that any discussion which would go better in General Star Wars Discussion is off topic in this thread.
I personally don’t like SC-38, but Duracell’s reaction here was way too over the top. Hurling childish, petty insults at someone just for liking a fan film. I wonder why he hasn’t been banned yet.
I personally don’t like the Fortnite broadcast. It makes no sense why Palpatine would reveal himself days before the Death Star 4’s were ready, and it contradicts the scene where the Resistance is surprised at Palpatine’s return. Many editors are planning to remove the broadcast from the opening crawl, and I’d prefer this edit to be compatible with any edit of TROS.
I saw a good video suggesting Finn should have died at the cannon. Hear me out:
–His character arc for the trilogy is done, even if it should have been improved in TROS, all he does is scream “REY”.
–His main antagonist, Phasma, is done.
–It would give the ending of TLJ a more tragic undertone, losing a major likable character.
–It would give Rose a chance to be part of the “big three” in TROS.That was this video right?
I agree conditionally. Ideally Finn’s character has plenty of potential, it was just squandered.
But regardless, the big question I have after watching the video is this:
Why does this person have a hologram head? Are they an alien or a robot that just pretends to be humanoid, or are they a human who lost their head and this is a replacement? Furthermore, why isn’t Finn questioning this after the fact? So many questions.
Yep that’s the video. I usually dislike him for his childishness, but when I saw such a long video and him saying TLJ was “alright” I figured he might have changed (seems he did, at least for this one)
I liked his channel before this video, but I also agree that the video was good. It summed up my basic thoughts on the movie: some parts are really good, some parts are really bad, and the movie as a whole is tonally jarring because of it. That’s why, in my opinion, fan edits of TLJ have really improved the movie.
But you can’t say that in the crawl if you want to avoid revealing Palpatine, right?
It’s for a hypothetical edit where Palpatine is cut completely, and Kylo is the main villain of the movie. I have similar plans for my upcoming edit.
Honestly what I tend to see is Reylos claiming non-Reylos are sexist, while non-Reylos claim Reylos are racist, meanwhile neither seems to be true for the most part. Everyone could stand to chill a bit I think.
Yeah, both sides of the argument could use a chill pill. I really don’t care about the whole Reylo business, I was just saying that I don’t sympathize much with the Reylos.
Well I sympathize with anyone who receives targeted hate just because they think two fictional characters should kiss and stuff. Just because some Reylos are bad doesn’t mean they all deserve to be bullied. And I don’t think John Boyega is helping.
Yeah, I don’t sympathize much with the anti-Reylos either. I feel like both sides are bullying each other way too vigorously, and I wish everyone could just chill (although I know that’s not gonna happen).
Not that it’s canon anymore but the Legends continuity clearly established it as a definitive light side power and had Jedi that were dedicated healers, but no one complained about it then.
I didn’t know about that. In that case, that’s dumb too.
she studied the ancient Jedi texts which might have included techniques and things that were lost
I doubt anything could get “lost” in the Jedi archives. They had the largest library of Force knowledge in the galaxy, if Force healing was a valid power they would know about it.
Rey was able to manifest powers like force lightning instinctively because of who she was, so it makes sense that she’d have the other side of the coin.
Force lightning is a dark side power, she has it because of Palpatine. I doubt Palpatine could use any light side powers.
That’s exactly what the librarian says in Episode 2, “if an item doesn’t show up in our records, it doesn’t exist.” I thought it was well understood that that was a manifestation of arrogance on the Jedi’s part. The Jedi archives in the prequels were all digital records and the original Jedi texts in the sequels are the only old fashioned books to ever appear in the series. Something could have been lost; Luke had to “go looking” for the first Jedi temple so the books could have been the same way.
The files on Kamino were lost because Dooku deleted them, not because they were accidentally deleted by some clueless librarian. The Jedi Archives on Coruscant contained hundreds of times more info than the Jedi Texts on Ach-To, there’s no way the Jedi wouldn’t know about Force healing.
Hypothetically Palpatine could if he chose to. That’s what I like about Rey having it, it shows that Palpatine could have used his powers for good but decided to be evil.
It’s impossible to use the dark side for good. Lucas’ depiction of the Force was very binary, there’s no in-between. All these post-modern interpretations of the Force have nothing to do with how it was depicted in the Lucas saga.
But we’re getting off-topic here.
Honestly what I tend to see is Reylos claiming non-Reylos are sexist, while non-Reylos claim Reylos are racist, meanwhile neither seems to be true for the most part. Everyone could stand to chill a bit I think.
Yeah, both sides of the argument could use a chill pill. I really don’t care about the whole Reylo business, I was just saying that I don’t sympathize much with the Reylos.
The person who started the whole thing with Boyega was a sock who pretends to be a female reylo fan to start shit, apparently. They’re on their third account now still trying to start shit, obviously Reylos in general don’t support that behavior. Also, a lot of Reylos are in fact women of color, so calling Reylos racist is really hypocritical and generalizing. They’re putting a whole group of fans in a bottle and saying they’re toxic.
I’m not saying all Reylos are racist, just some of them are. I’m not saying all Reylos are toxic, just a lot of them are. Obviously there are some really good Reylos out there, but most of the community is really toxic from my experience. And it wasn’t just that one guy saying racist things, a lot of Reylos were swarming his account saying some really nasty things to him.
Not saying they’re not Reylos who say bad shit but I feel like they’re a scapegoat for both alt-right trolls (like that white supremacist guy who openly encourages John Boyega and antis to keep messing with Reylos), and the crazy cancel culture people on the left. “If I think it’s problematic, no one is allowed to like it.”
I’m not radical right or radical left, I’m very much moderate, and I still don’t like Reylo. I feel like a lot of Reylos are hiding behind the gender card, saying anti-Reylos are part of society’s systematic discrimination of women, When in reality most anti-Reylos are also women.
I know Nicholson has been getting shit for defending Reylos recently. Poor Reylos, man. They’ve been getting so much shit since, well, TFA, but especially since the Boyega tweets. People obviously have a lot of personal issues these days, and the only way they can feel better about themselves is to bully other people online.
You could say the same thing in reverse. Reylos were pissed after Boyega posted that tweet. Some of them said really racist things to him. I don’t have much sympathy for Reylos. Some of them are okay but most of them are really toxic.
Speaking of YouTube - I almost checked out that MauLer guy, after seeing someone on another forum I visit link to a funny back and forth on his twitter and going “oh yeah, he’s a youtuber, the Original Trilogy guys seemed to vouch for him.” So I followed the link and looked at his profile and… He basically just stalks some other YouTuber called “MovieBob” and a critic named Patrick H. Willems. That seems to be the last two straight weeks of his twitter feed, at least. I scrolled down for awhile and he’s just making fun of “MovieBob’s” weight and Willems’ intelligence and screencapping tweets by a YouTuber named Jenny Nicholson, who I guess has already blocked him. I know I got called out earlier for “judging a book by its cover” but it really seems like he’s a pretty toxic media personality, to me. Nothing but personal attacks on other people and angry tweets about people not liking things the way he wants people to like them.
Yeah, MauLer makes some good points but his personality is really grating. Half of the stuff he does is just hating on other YouTubers for having different opinions than him. The first part of his TFA review was entirely devoted to picking apart the opinions of YouTubers who liked the movie. His movie criticism videos are entertaining but I really don’t like the way he acts online.
Not that it’s canon anymore but the Legends continuity clearly established it as a definitive light side power and had Jedi that were dedicated healers, but no one complained about it then.
I didn’t know about that. In that case, that’s dumb too.
she studied the ancient Jedi texts which might have included techniques and things that were lost
I doubt anything could get “lost” in the Jedi archives. They had the largest library of Force knowledge in the galaxy, if Force healing was a valid power they would know about it.
Rey was able to manifest powers like force lightning instinctively because of who she was, so it makes sense that she’d have the other side of the coin.
Force lightning is a dark side power, she has it because of Palpatine. I doubt Palpatine could use any light side powers.
OutboundFlight said:
In TROS, Leia transfers her life-force into Ben, which allows Rey to heal a fatal wound in Ben without her dying.If that was indeed their intention they did a pretty terrible job of conveying it.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s not what happened. It’s just retroactive fan justification.
I actually think I’d like Force healing if the rules were at all consistent. But the abilities and effects of Force healing vary constantly. Rey heals a wound on the big snake, and doesn’t seem any weaker afterwards. Rey heals Kylo’s fatal wound, and doesn’t seem any weaker there either. But when Ben heals Rey’s magic death, he stays healthy for a few seconds before dying instantly. That’s my main problem with the sequels’ depiction of the Force: It’s just used as an excuse to get out of tough situations, whether it makes sense or not.
Fun fact regarding force powers:
There has not been a single episode, which has not introduced or teased a new force ability in some way or another.
Really? From my memory Force powers remained mostly stagnant during the prequels. Aside from Force running, which was only used for one scene, there really weren’t any new Force powers in those movies.
I’ve heard people use that argument as a justification for the sequels using the Force as an excuse, but aside from some major changes in ESB and ROTJ there weren’t many new Force powers in the Lucas saga.
To me, including Anakin has nothing to do with that silly prophecy.
Yeah, the prophecy is dumb, but I would have liked to see Hayden as Anakin in this movie. He’s a good actor, he was just given a bad script. He doesn’t deserve the disrespect that was done to him by JJ.
He walked that back by saying he meant what they wrote for those scenes was apparently too taxing for the VFX team to make real that they cut them before ever sending them over.
He’s probably referring to the extended Luke and Leia flashback scene.
ClarkZuckerberg’s Fallen Knight edit and DonKamillo’s Anti-Cringe Cut removed Finn’s suicide run completely. You might want to check them out.
Goes to show how much of a lazy/cheap hack Lucas is. Luke screaming as he fell down the shaft could’ve worked if Lucas’ gotten Hamill in to record it, or someone with a relatively similar voice. But no, he reuses the Palpatine scream 'cause he couldn’t be bothered to put the extra ounce of effort into it.
I wouldn’t go so far as to call Lucas a “lazy hack,” but I agree that he didn’t put much effort into the SE. Adywan’s version shows what the SE would look like if Lucas actually committed to his goal of updating the movies.
Didn’t TLJ imply that Luke’s sacrifice would inspire rebellion across the galaxy? Wasn’t that what the end scene was all about?
Instead we got Luke sacrificing himself for no reason, no one in the galaxy caring about the First Order for a whole year, and then Lando somehow convinces the entire galaxy to fight the First Order in the span of 30 minutes.
Mm, not quite. The end of TLJ implies that the Force, hope, and people’s belief in what is good and right would continue to inspire rebellion against the forces of evil, as it always had, and that the seed of Millenium Falcon and its occupants, particularly Rey but really also everyone else, will grow in this galaxy of fertile soil, the spark that reignites the fire. Not many would necessarily know of Luke’s sacrifice, but that’s okay; his legend is firmly established as an example in the minds of many.
That’s the problem though: Luke’s legend doesn’t inspire rebellion across the galaxy. The Resistance has barely grown in the year between TLJ and TROS, and the only reason anyone bothered to show up at the final battle at Exegol was because of Lando’s insane smooth-talking skills. It’s another example of JJ throwing away all the good stuff from TLJ.
