StarkillerAG

Darth Raditz said:

Chase Adams said:

Just checking, who here still hasn’t gotten a link after posting in this thread?

If you respond to this I’ll forward it on to everyone by this weekend. Hopefully that will ease things up for Nev by time he returns.

Do you have a link to the Visions edit, the one that ends with Rey dreaming of meeting Luke on Ach-To? If so, I’d like a link to that (I already have the standard version).

I don’t think that version was ever released. It was going to be an alternate version released later, but it ended up incomplete after Nev left the site.

BedeHistory731 said:

I’d prefer the concert suite version of “Luke & Leia” for the ending.

You already said this 4 comments ago.

Tantive3+1 said:

4K80 is now completed.

Well, not quite: it’s still just a beta version for now.

But still, fantastic news! In just a few weeks, we’ll have professional-quality 4K restorations of the entire theatrical OT, entirely because of the hard work of a few fans. That’s amazing to think about.

sirlegion13 said:

Just a quick question: does anyone happen to have The Ancient Lore by Andreas? I’d really like to see some of the radical changes he made, but I don’t think he’s been active anywhere in some time.

I have it, I’ll send you a PM.

Anakin Starkiller said:

StarkillerAG said:

G&G-Fan said:

Possessed did a pretty good job editing the movie as it is to make it look like Luke is the one that pushes Boba into the Sarlacc

This is a bit off-topic, but do you have the links to Possessed’s OT edits? I’ve been trying to get the links to them, but they’re only on fanedit.org, and that site hasn’t worked for me for a long time.

There’s a thread for requesting edits. In fact, didn’t you start it?

There is, but I already asked for it there and no one responded. But it doesn’t matter, since the guy I was asking did indeed have the links (for ESB and ROTJ at least).

Anakin Starkiller said:

https://youtu.be/VxYohCm-GpM

I had that exact same idea recently, but I was going to have it be an endless loop:

“The First Order’s only tracking us from one destroyer, the lead one.”
“So we blow that one up.”
“I like where your head’s at, but no, they’d only start tracking us from another destroyer.”
“So we blow that one up.”
“I like where your head’s at, but no, they’d only start tracking us from another destroyer.”
“So we blow that one up.”
“I like where your head’s at, but no, they’d only start tracking us from another destroyer.”
“So we blow that one up.”

This continues until Poe runs out of ships to blow up, and only then does he consider disabling the tracker.

LexX said:

Darth Muffy said:

Wow, alot of salty comments about Star Wars in general in this thread 😬
End of the day its a good time to be a Star Wars fan if your able to embrace the new.

“We are what they grow beyond” - Yoda 😉

It’s a problem if the new isn’t good.

Exactly. I know that the Star Wars fandom has a serious toxicity problem, but some fans recently have been going the polar opposite direction: Acting like Star Wars is a perfect flawless franchise and everyone who criticizes it is a toxic hater. Every franchise has flaws, especially Star Wars, and this mindless “enjoy everything with the Star Wars logo on it” mindset really isn’t healthy.

For example, I like The Last Jedi a lot more than most of the fandom, but I would never try to stop people from criticizing it (unless they were being an ass about it). Similarly, I dislike Rogue One a lot more than most of the fandom, but I would never try to stop people from praising it. Is it really that hard to just let opinions exist without trying to convince people that your opinion is the only objectively correct one?

Stardust1138 said:

StarkillerAG said:

• R2 somehow doesn’t recognize Obi-Wan or Yoda, Obi-Wan and Yoda don’t seem to recognize R2 either
• Obi-Wan doesn’t remember owning a droid, despite having owned a droid for at least 3 years
• Obi-Wan makes it sound like Owen and Anakin are actual brothers, and Owen resisted when Anakin started his training, which is just completely wrong
• The “served my father in the Clone Wars” bit that started this thread (and no, the cartoons don’t count)
• Obi-Wan says Yoda was the master who instructed him, but Yoda was actually the master who instructed the master who instructed the master who instructed him
• Luke feels like he’s been to Dagobah before, despite the fact that he never actually went there before
• Obi-Wan says that he was reckless as an apprentice, despite the prequels portraying him as basically the opposite of reckless
• Obi-Wan acts like he discovered Anakin’s piloting ability and Force skill, despite Qui-Gon being the one who discovered that (I’m noticing a lot of contradictions disappear if you merge Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon into a single character)
• Leia says she remembers her real mother, despite the fact that her mother died in childbirth (and no, “it was the Force” isn’t a valid explanation, especially since Luke doesn’t have those memories)
• Vader says Obi-Wan once thought he could be redeemed, despite Obi-Wan going to Mustafar to kill him (and no, the upcoming Obi-Wan spinoff doesn’t count)

1. Who says he doesn’t? R2 is known to troll and know more than he let’s on. Yoda and Obi-Wan could also just be keeping to themselves how much they know as they did with the truth about Luke’s father.

2. During the Clone Wars he has a very low opinion of droids and thinks they can be easily replaced.

3. I don’t know about that as I never got that impression. It seems more like headcanon to me or the Return of the Jedi novelisation saying Owen was Obi-Wan’s brother. The story didn’t get set until Attack of the Clones. Step brother is still family.

4. George considered The Clone Wars canon. So it certainly counts as an explanation.

5. The Force works in mysterious ways. “Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future, the past. Old friends long gone.” It could just as much be the Force showing Luke that Dagobah plays a role in his destiny. Just as Obi-Wan guiding him there was through the Force.

6. He has moments of being reckless and cocky. Like when he jumps out of the window when the assassin droid comes to Padme’s apartment. Same with his desire to train Anakin without the approval of the Jedi Council at the will request of Qui-Gon. Plus it could just as well be he was reckless when he was a youngling being taught by Yoda as he mentions being instructed by him. Yoda taught the children before they were assigned masters upon becoming padawan learners.

7. Obi-Wan was there on Tatooine when Anakin was discovered and from a certain point of view he was with Qui-Gon when Anakin was discovered. Jedi work in teams. A master and apprentice. He saw Anakin’s potential with the Force through his midi-chlorian count. Same with knowing about Anakin’s skills to win the podrace to secure them the parts they needed to leave. Surely he also knows what happened to the Trade Federation command ship too.

8. George planned to explain Leia’s Force abilities in his Sequel Trilogy. So it’s not so much a contradiction but something that was never addressed by Disney unless it’s in a novel or something. It could just as much be she has memories like Yoda taught in his lesson I mention above in relation to Luke. The same could be said of Leia having visions of Padme. It’s something George would’ve delved into I’m sure as Rick McCallum spoke of it. The Force works differently in every living thing. Everyone has the Force. So how it impacts Leia might be different than Luke.

9. Obi-Wan was hesitant on going as he wanted to confront Palpatine instead but he respected Yoda’s wishes and seeked out Padme. He fought the whole duel with Anakin/Vader on Mustafar in defence until the very end. He didn’t want to kill Anakin. It’s only when he thought he was far gone that he began to switch to offence.

1. I guess that is a possible explanation, but I think it would have been a lot cleaner if Lucas just didn’t include R2 or 3PO in the prequels at all. There is zero reason they needed to be there other than nostalgia.

2. Even if he does have a low opinion of droids, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t remember the fact that he owned one for the entire duration of the Clone Wars, since he was actually on a first-name basis with said droid.

3. I know Owen wasn’t explicitly confirmed to be Anakin’s actual brother, but even then it was heavily implied that Owen was around when Anakin was taken to be a Jedi: Obi-Wan says that Owen “thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved”, and that isn’t really possible when Owen only meets Anakin 10 years after he became a Jedi.

4. George may have greenlit the Clone Wars cartoon, but what I mean by “the cartoons don’t count” is that they can’t be used as a way to hide the movies’ flaws. Lucas should have thought of a way to have Obi-Wan serve Bail when he was actually writing the prequels, instead of having Filoni make up a rationalization 5 years later.

5. This is exactly what I was talking about when I said “it was the Force” isn’t a valid explanation. Way too often, fans use “it was the Force” as a cheap way to cover up plot issues. And no matter what rationalization you use, I still think it would be a lot cleaner if Luke actually was on Dagobah when he was very young.

6. That moment where Obi-Wan grabs the robot was pretty reckless, but it’s pretty much the only moment where he was actually shown being reckless. I’m pretty sure he actually got the Council’s approval to train Anakin. It really feels like Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were originally supposed to be the same character, but they transferred all the “Obi-Wan” character elements (including the recklessness) onto Qui-Gon, causing Obi-Wan’s character to feel weird.

7. I guess he was technically there when all that stuff happened, but I guess it just feels weird that neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda ever mentioned Qui-Gon throughout the entire OT. Once again, it really seems like Qui-Gon was a last minute addition to the prequels, and his role was originally going to be filled by Obi-Wan.

8. Lucas wasn’t even going to make a sequel trilogy until he wrote a preliminary plot treatment for Disney to take inspiration from just before he sold the franchise, so I’m only taking the OT and prequels into account here. And the dialogue in ROTJ clearly indicates that Leia’s memories are supposed to be actual memories: she says that Padme “died when she was very young,” not that she died in childbirth.

9. He may have been on defense most of the time, but his mission was still to kill him. And even if he secretly was hoping Vader would return to the light, Vader wouldn’t know that since he was so absorbed in his “The Jedi turned against me” mindset at the time, so it’s weird that Vader is the one who says that Obi-Wan thought he could be redeemed.

CarboniteSolo said:

I like to think that Luke and Leia both had visions as young kids.

Leia saw her real mother, but they were images of her, and feelings of love.

Luke yearned to see his father and know as much about him as possible. He reached out with his force abilities to seek answers (in his dreams), and Yoda was the only one listening. I think this is why Luke feels like he’s been to Dagobah, because when Yoda was calming Luke down with the force, he could actually see Yoda and his surroundings, just like a dream.

Maybe I’m wrong and this is explained in the Kenobi series, we’ll just have to wait and see.

Edit:
Luke has no memory of his real mother, and Leia has no memory of her father.

This could be something Kenobi or Yoda did to ease their pain, or hide it from Vader, the Emperor or the inquisitors.

That’s actually a really cool idea. Too bad it wasn’t in the movies.

ken-obi said:

Though it is not surprising given some of the disconnects between the Original Trilogy and the later Prequel Trilogy, despite George Lucas having ample time to iron any such issues out when he was writing the Prequels. Why he chose not to is baffling, and is something that seems to be unanswered.

Yeah, there are so many inconsistencies between the OT and the prequels that could have been ironed out if Lucas bothered to rewatch his own movies before writing the prequel scripts. Here’s just the things I can remember off the top of my head:

• R2 somehow doesn’t recognize Obi-Wan or Yoda, Obi-Wan and Yoda don’t seem to recognize R2 either
• Obi-Wan doesn’t remember owning a droid, despite having owned a droid for at least 3 years
• Obi-Wan makes it sound like Owen and Anakin are actual brothers, and Owen resisted when Anakin started his training, which is just completely wrong
• The “served my father in the Clone Wars” bit that started this thread (and no, the cartoons don’t count)
• Obi-Wan says Yoda was the master who instructed him, but Yoda was actually the master who instructed the master who instructed the master who instructed him
• Luke feels like he’s been to Dagobah before, despite the fact that he never actually went there before
• Obi-Wan says that he was reckless as an apprentice, despite the prequels portraying him as basically the opposite of reckless
• Obi-Wan acts like he discovered Anakin’s piloting ability and Force skill, despite Qui-Gon being the one who discovered that (I’m noticing a lot of contradictions disappear if you merge Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon into a single character)
• Leia says she remembers her real mother, despite the fact that her mother died in childbirth (and no, “it was the Force” isn’t a valid explanation, especially since Luke doesn’t have those memories)
• Vader says Obi-Wan once thought he could be redeemed, despite Obi-Wan going to Mustafar to kill him (and no, the upcoming Obi-Wan spinoff doesn’t count)

That’s a lot of inconsistencies, and I don’t think “they were just misremembering” really cuts it when the OT’s conception of the prequel events is so wildly different from the actual events.

Anakin Starkiller said:

If stupid people are much more noticeable then why are all the racists confined to 4chan?

Because the people who run the internet are smart enough to ban them on all non-4chan sites. Unfortunately, they’re not smart enough to ban the other equally-stupid people.

sade1212 said:

Does anyone have any inkling as to how I might be able to get my hands on Secior’s edit or the original Phantom Edit? I’ve had no luck with the .info site or other searches and these editors are not active online anywhere as far as I can see.

You can find the Phantom Edit on Pirate Bay, as a DVD ISO file. The Phantom Editor’s accompanying AOTC edit is also included with that file.

I’m pretty sure Secior’s edit is still available on fanedit.info, but you need to use JDownloader to unpack the files there. Details are on the site.

Spuffure said:

It’s annoying to see people say “Gen Z is cringe”. That’s a straw man right there. The dimwits on TikTok are a vocal minority. The Gen Z’ers (me included) who act sensibly and dislike this behaviour are the silent majority.

Yeah, as a zoomer myself, I definitely agree.

I think one of the biggest problems with our modern online world is that you get to hear the opinions of literally everyone. That might not sound like a bad thing, but “everyone” includes some really stupid people, and unfortunately stupid people tend to be much more noticeable than normal people. I try to avoid the most dimwit-packed places on the internet (TikTok, Twitter, Instagram), but even then I see godawful opinions way too much.

Mrebo said:

Reminds me of this classic meme format:

Peter Pan said:

“The uploaded has not made this video available in your country”

What’s the bigger Joke, the Joke or the Joke that follows?

The original video was Weird Al’s song The Saga Begins. It’s a parody of the song American Pie, with the lyrics changed to be about the plot of TPM. The crawl Sade posted was the first verse of that song.

CaptainFaraday said:

That would strengthen the “Queen Amidala is the equivalent of the Death Star plans” concept. What are your ideas?

My concept for the opening structure was something like this:

• Open the movie with Eddie’s crawl concept: the Queen is a vocal champion against corruption, the Trade Feds have invaded her planet in order to bend her to their will, the Jedi have been dispatched to bring her to Coruscant.
• Pan down to the theatrical opening shot of the Jedi transport approaching Naboo, then immediately cut to the scene of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon talking in the conference room. The shot would be flipped, and the droid’s dialogue would be changed, in order to have the scene take place on the Jedi transport.
• After Qui-Gon tells Obi-Wan to be mindful of the Force, cut to the Trade Fed flagship, and the second conversation between Gunray and Sidious. Most edits cut this scene due to being unnecessary with the theatrical plot, but it fits this altered plot like a glove due to its focus on galactic corruption and the Queen’s resistance.
• After Sidious signs out of the hologram, cut to the montage of Trade Fed ships landing on Naboo, followed by Qui-Gon meeting Jar-Jar for the first time. The audience will assume that the Jedi’s transport landed near the outskirts of the city, but the Jedi encountered resistance from the invasion army (which is why they’re split up in this scene).
• After the Jedi decide to leave before more droids show up (cutting the underwater city completely), cut to the Trade Fed army making it to Naboo. The Queen gets lectured by Gunray about the treaty she has to sign (another previously unnecessary scene that fits like a glove in the new plot), and then she gets rescued by the Jedi and Jar-Jar.
• Qui-Gon’s conversation with the Queen’s cabinet has been shortened to fit his new mission: He just says “We’re ambassadors for the Supreme Chancellor. It’s urgent that we make contact with the Republic. Do you have transports?” He then convinces the Queen to come to Coruscant with them, and the movie continues as normal.

CaptainFaraday said:

Just for organisational purposes, to list the current concepts being worked on in some capacity:

• Redubbing Jar Jar with his own voice to alleviate some of his more distracting vocal quirks
• Qui-Gon freeing both Anakin and Shmi
• Obi-Wan bisects Maul with Maul’s own lightsaber

Apologies if I’ve forgotten any!

I also remember one of Eddie’s initial ideas was to start with the invasion already underway, and have the Jedi’s mission be to rescue the Queen. I don’t think it’s actively being worked on, but I do have some ideas for how it could be pulled off.

G&G-Fan said:

Possessed did a pretty good job editing the movie as it is to make it look like Luke is the one that pushes Boba into the Sarlacc

This is a bit off-topic, but do you have the links to Possessed’s OT edits? I’ve been trying to get the links to them, but they’re only on fanedit.org, and that site hasn’t worked for me for a long time.

jedi_bendu said:

I don’t mind fan service when it works with the story, not at the expense of it. The latest episode is the biggest example I can think of for working at the expense of the story. I mean, it really just felt like they switched priorities/focus just to show us some different stuff purely for the sake of it. And it really made it feel out of place for me. I’ve been wanting to see Ahsoka and Luke interact for a while, but all I could think of was, this is cool… why is it here?? It felt so cheap and unearned.

Luke and Grogu will probably tie into the finale to be honest but that doesn’t undo the damage they just dealt to the main plot of The Book of Boba Fett. Most people are in a Mandalorian season 3 / Ahsoka series mood now.

Yeah, definitely agreed. Someone (can’t remember who) summed it up pretty well: This episode was basically just Mando travelling to two different locations, but the camera inexplicably stays in those locations after Mando leaves. Mando leaves Luke’s Jedi school- but the camera stays at the school to show us pointless training scenes with AI Luke. Mando leaves Freetown- but the camera stays there to show us a pointless scene of Space Clint Eastwood from the cartoons. It results in the episode feeling unfocused, as if Mando is making guest appearances in an episode where he’s apparently the main character.

The first four episodes were The Book of Boba Fett. Episode 5 was The Book of Din Djarin. But this episode was more like The Book of Random Assorted Characters, Especially Din Djarin. This has got to be the most structurally messy TV show I have ever seen, and I hope Favreau and Filoni learn a better sense of focus and pacing after this.

LexX said:

WookieeWarrior77 said:

And only recently I’ve thought that in SW, Vader answers to Tarkin, In ESB, EVERYONE answers to Vader, and in Jedi, Vader answers to the Emperor. Just something that crossed my mind.

I think the comparison isn’t completely fair between the films. In SW Tarkin and Vader seem to be friends who respect each other but Tarkin is the military boss who is in charge of the station. Also Vader doesn’t have much to do really on his own.

That’s obviously the current retconned explanation. But when Leia meets Tarkin for the first time, she says that he is the one “holding Vader’s leash,” heavily implying that Tarkin was actually supposed to be Vader’s superior before ESB retconned it. It’s not too much of a contradiction though.

BedeHistory731 said:

StarkillerAG said:

BedeHistory731 said:

This is, as Rich Evans said, an “intellectually bankrupt franchise” and it always has been. Expecting it to be any different now is hilarious.

Star Wars was a mistake. 😉

It’s because I like joking around about how negative this forum can get, as the wink would indicate.

Okay, sorry about that. Sarcasm is hard to read online, so I thought you had turned into the new DuracellEnergizer for a second. 😉

Hal 9000 said:

With time, you will eventually see a piece of media depicting Grogu being trained by Rey Skywalker.

Was this intended to be read in Palpatine’s voice? Because that’s certainly how I read it.

BedeHistory731 said:

This is, as Rich Evans said, an “intellectually bankrupt franchise” and it always has been. Expecting it to be any different now is hilarious.

Star Wars was a mistake. 😉

The first and last lines of the entire saga:

“Did you hear that?”

“Rey Skywalker.”

Or, if you go by chronological order:

“Captain?”

“Rey Skywalker.”

RogueLeader said:

I think something nice would be for Rey to end the story with some kind of boon. New knowledge or wisdom that will keep the new Jedi for repeating the same mistakes. But nothing is ever really brought up clearly regarding that, at least in TROS.

Yeah, that would certainly be nice. If JJ actually cared about building on TLJ, he probably would have had the main lesson be something along the lines of “Injustice is wrong, but hesitating to fight injustice because of an outdated dogma is just as wrong.” Trevorrow’s Duel of the Fates script went too far with the whole “Grey Jedi” thing, but I think he was on the right track. However, JJ didn’t really care about building on TLJ, so he just ended on the exact same message ROTJ ended on. It would be pretty hard to change that in a fanedit though.

EddieDean said:

Vladius said:

I liked that one that used the people getting shot at in Star Trek Insurrection. Kind of silly but it worked.

Which edit was that, Vladius?

I’m pretty sure it was Yads’s Lone Gungan Edition. I haven’t seen it, but the description on fanedit.org says that it used invasion footage from multiple movies, including Star Trek Insurrection.

RogueLeader said:

Either way, you kind of just end the series with an old man’s face getting melted.

To be fair, the old man who was getting melted was the most evil person in the galaxy, so I don’t have much sympathy for him.

In general, I’m kind of glad TROS chose to eschew the whole “kill him and you’ll be just like him” trope. I get that it’s “part of the fabric of Star Wars” or whatever, but I’ve always thought it was stupid: Luke kills millions of underpaid, abused foot soldiers while everyone around him cheers, but the instant he meets someone who committed mass genocide it somehow becomes wrong to kill him? Despite all of TROS’s flaws, JJ realizing that idea is stupid is probably the best decision he ever made.