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#1320585
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Anakin Starkiller said:

To me, including Anakin has nothing to do with that silly prophecy.

Yeah, the prophecy is dumb, but I would have liked to see Hayden as Anakin in this movie. He’s a good actor, he was just given a bad script. He doesn’t deserve the disrespect that was done to him by JJ.

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#1320407
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Worst Edit Ideas
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Goes to show how much of a lazy/cheap hack Lucas is. Luke screaming as he fell down the shaft could’ve worked if Lucas’ gotten Hamill in to record it, or someone with a relatively similar voice. But no, he reuses the Palpatine scream 'cause he couldn’t be bothered to put the extra ounce of effort into it.

I wouldn’t go so far as to call Lucas a “lazy hack,” but I agree that he didn’t put much effort into the SE. Adywan’s version shows what the SE would look like if Lucas actually committed to his goal of updating the movies.

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#1320402
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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timdiggerm said:

StarkillerAG said:

Didn’t TLJ imply that Luke’s sacrifice would inspire rebellion across the galaxy? Wasn’t that what the end scene was all about?

Instead we got Luke sacrificing himself for no reason, no one in the galaxy caring about the First Order for a whole year, and then Lando somehow convinces the entire galaxy to fight the First Order in the span of 30 minutes.

Mm, not quite. The end of TLJ implies that the Force, hope, and people’s belief in what is good and right would continue to inspire rebellion against the forces of evil, as it always had, and that the seed of Millenium Falcon and its occupants, particularly Rey but really also everyone else, will grow in this galaxy of fertile soil, the spark that reignites the fire. Not many would necessarily know of Luke’s sacrifice, but that’s okay; his legend is firmly established as an example in the minds of many.

That’s the problem though: Luke’s legend doesn’t inspire rebellion across the galaxy. The Resistance has barely grown in the year between TLJ and TROS, and the only reason anyone bothered to show up at the final battle at Exegol was because of Lando’s insane smooth-talking skills. It’s another example of JJ throwing away all the good stuff from TLJ.

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#1320400
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Didn’t TLJ imply that Luke’s sacrifice would inspire rebellion across the galaxy? Wasn’t that what the end scene was all about?

Instead we got Luke sacrificing himself for no reason, no one in the galaxy caring about the First Order for a whole year, and then Lando somehow convinces the entire galaxy to fight the First Order in the span of 30 minutes.

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#1320337
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

How important is it really to this story? The First Order is trying to take over the galaxy, the Resistance is trying to stop it. Is a lot more information than that really important to the stories of these new characters? The logistics of the New Republic are no more important to Rey’s story than they are to the Mandalorian’s.

When one of the main characters of the story is the ruler of the galaxy, you should expect to have at least some explanation of how the system works. It’s fine to not explain anything for a small-scale TV show like The Mandalorian, but the sequels have events that happen on a galactic scale, so the movies should at least give us some broad idea as to the political situation.

I mean, Snoke is neither a main character nor the ruler of the galaxy, so I’m not sure that’s the most salient point.

I was referring to Kylo.

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#1320333
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

How important is it really to this story? The First Order is trying to take over the galaxy, the Resistance is trying to stop it. Is a lot more information than that really important to the stories of these new characters? The logistics of the New Republic are no more important to Rey’s story than they are to the Mandalorian’s.

When one of the main characters of the story is the ruler of the galaxy, you should expect to have at least some explanation of how the system works. It’s fine to not explain anything for a small-scale TV show like The Mandalorian, but the sequels have events that happen on a galactic scale, so the movies should at least give us some broad idea as to the political situation.

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#1320324
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s a such a small aspect of the film, I don’t really care that it’s confusing.

What do you mean, “small aspect?” The First Order vs Resistance conflict was the main story of the sequels, and it wasn’t handled well at all. If you want to reset the galactic situation to Brave Rebels vs Evil Empire, at least give a satisfying explanation.

That’s just the backdrop for the story, not the story itself.

The backdrop for the story is necessary to tell the story. If the backdrop makes no sense, the whole story falls apart.

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#1320320
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

It’s a such a small aspect of the film, I don’t really care that it’s confusing.

What do you mean, “small aspect?” The First Order vs Resistance conflict was the main story of the sequels, and it wasn’t handled well at all. If you want to reset the galactic situation to Brave Rebels vs Evil Empire, at least give a satisfying explanation.

The politics in the PT were not only boring, they often didn’t make sense and they didn’t add much to the story.

Have you watched the prequels recently? I don’t think the politics in those movies were as bad as you make it seem. There were only one or two Senate scenes per movie, and the political situation wasn’t confusing at all. I actually liked how we saw the downfall of the corrupt Republic and the seeds of Palpatine’s manipulation. The political scenes were some of the highlights of the prequels in my opinion.

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#1320309
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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pleasehello said:

StarkillerAG said:

pleasehello said:

Wexter said:

The weird thing about the new trilogy is that the state of the larger galaxy is just absolutely incomprehensible. While the prequels clearly show the might and fall of the Old Republic, the OT depicts the Rebel Alliance defeating Palpatine’s Empire. The obvious next step would probably be showing the struggles of the New Republic or something along those lines.

Instead we got what seems to be two fringe groups of fanatics and has-beens fighting it out in the Outer Rim while the larger galaxy doesn’t really care about any of that until like the last ten minutes of the story.

You kind of just described the OT. We never really see the effect of the Empire on the galaxy at large. Only how it relates to the rebellion and our main characters. The only reason we know of the Empire’s reach is because it’s called “the Empire”. I agree it’s less clear what the scope of the First Order’s power is, but only because their name is more ambiguous.

The OT doesn’t need as much explanation though, because the story is relatively simple. An evil empire rules the entire galaxy, and a brave group of rebels has to stop them. With the sequels, you need more backstory to explain where this mysterious First Order came from, how much influence it has, and why the Resistance is a separate group from the Republic, none of which is explained by the movies. You need to read the EU to find out the basic plot of the sequels, which isn’t a good approach to storytelling.

I know this has been said ad nauseum, but I’ll take the confusing galactic status of the ST over the political minutia of the prequels any day of the week. It’s still too bad a middle road wasn’t taken.

I actually preferred the boring politics of the prequels, because at least that made sense. JJ was so afraid of reminding people of the prequels that he removed the few exposition scenes of the movie in post, creating an overly confusing mess.

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#1320293
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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pleasehello said:

Wexter said:

The weird thing about the new trilogy is that the state of the larger galaxy is just absolutely incomprehensible. While the prequels clearly show the might and fall of the Old Republic, the OT depicts the Rebel Alliance defeating Palpatine’s Empire. The obvious next step would probably be showing the struggles of the New Republic or something along those lines.

Instead we got what seems to be two fringe groups of fanatics and has-beens fighting it out in the Outer Rim while the larger galaxy doesn’t really care about any of that until like the last ten minutes of the story.

You kind of just described the OT. We never really see the effect of the Empire on the galaxy at large. Only how it relates to the rebellion and our main characters. The only reason we know of the Empire’s reach is because it’s called “the Empire”. I agree it’s less clear what the scope of the First Order’s power is, but only because their name is more ambiguous.

The OT doesn’t need as much explanation though, because the story is relatively simple. An evil empire rules the entire galaxy, and a brave group of rebels has to stop them. With the sequels, you need more backstory to explain where this mysterious First Order came from, how much influence it has, and why the Resistance is a separate group from the Republic, none of which is explained by the movies. You need to read the EU to find out the basic plot of the sequels, which isn’t a good approach to storytelling.

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#1320081
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Star Wars vs. A New Hope
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The human Jabba scene was never in any version of the movie. The scene was cut for time, and some of the dialogue was moved to the Greedo scene so Han’s actions would still make sense. When Lucas reinserted the deleted scene in the 1997 version, he used a CGI model of Jabba that didn’t look very good. The scene was updated in the 2004 DVD release, using the CGI Jabba model from The Phantom Menace. The version of the Jabba scene with a human actor has never been released officially, although some people have recreated it using VHS footage.

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#1320031
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

The weapon is about to cut through a door several feet thick so Finn’s craft is likely to just vaporize if he flys down the barrel. No weapons and no ship to make impact (and a flimsy one to start with that wouldn’t have taken out an AT-AT). So Finn was making a useless sacrifice because he was desperate to do something.

Yeah, but that’s all fan theory and retroactive justification. The movie didn’t make that clear enough, which accidentally gave people the impression that Rose doomed the Resistance, which wasn’t Rian’s intent with that scene. That’s my main problem with TLJ. Rian had a good vision for the movie, but a lot of his ideas weren’t executed well.

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#1319833
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

What does everyone think about the idea of removing Palpatine completely? I posted some suggestions for it a few comments ago. Is it feasible or not?

Honestly I can’t imagine how that would work. Not that it couldn’t, but I can’t see it myself. So much of the film revolves around him it’d be very hard to do.

I posted a planned plot outline for a Palpatine-free version on the previous page. You might want to look at that.

First of all, to shift the story like you want, you need dialogue that doesn’t exist.

I was planning to use the opening crawl to change the story, like with many edits of TPM.

Secondly, without Palpatine, there’s no real climax. You didn’t explain how you’d handle Rey and Ben on Exegol, I think what you’re implying is they aren’t there at all. But you can’t rest everything on the ground and space battle, there’s really no meat to either, and they’re basically just a backdrop for what really matters, Rey and Ben vs. Palpatine.

I disagree. I feel like the “people’s fleet” moment is a great climax to the theme of the trilogy, which is that anyone can be a hero. The climax shouldn’t be Palpatine and Skywalker vs Palpatine.

I don’t know how you could erase Rey from the climax of the film and not have it feel like there was a lot missing. Maybe if you wanted to do a really short epilogue movie it could work, I don’t know. It’s an interesting idea but there isn’t a lot to work with.

Yeah, it would be short. But maybe it should be a short epilogue, since TLJ wrapped up most of the trilogy’s plot threads.

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#1319826
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

What does everyone think about the idea of removing Palpatine completely? I posted some suggestions for it a few comments ago. Is it feasible or not?

Honestly I can’t imagine how that would work. Not that it couldn’t, but I can’t see it myself. So much of the film revolves around him it’d be very hard to do.

I posted a planned plot outline for a Palpatine-free version on the previous page. You might want to look at that.

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#1319808
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

If someone does end up pursuing a fan edit that removed the whole ‘Rey Palpatine’ thing, they’d have a good opportunity to make the final scene free of dialogue, ala the other 8 films.

I don’t think removing Rey Palpatine requires removing Rey Skywalker. I actually think Rey Skywalker would feel better without Rey Palpatine, since it would show that Rey has finally found the family she searched for all these years.