Seeing the Death Star II again was pretty cool. It’s not even nostalgia for a better movie, it feels like going to Rome and seeing the Colosseum and knowing all the history behind it, and knowing it’s the very same Colosseum that Vespasian built two thousand years ago.
StarkillerAG said:
It’s not finished, and from what I understand it will never be.Why that? I mean, yes, it is an insane amount of work. But was this “stopped” or “abandoned” at some point?
It was
Yeah, I agree. I’ve felt like making a less-bathos cut of TLJ, but I wouldn’t cut out all that much. I might not even cut out the lightsaber toss, they have a purpose.
Where Marvel humor seems to only be there out of self consciousness of the dumber aspects of the superhero genre, TLJ’s bathos serves a worthwhile purpose. I think Rian Johnson went too far in a lot of places, but especially after watching his commentary I know what he was going for.
Not much has changed at Lucasfilm pre/post Disney, even though it may seem like it.
Most of the people who worked on the ST also worked on the PT. It’s half the reason the ST was made, and probably 100% of the reason Star Wars was sold to Disney, so that they’d still have jobs after Lucas retired.
It’s like…anime. I like anime, but it’s horrendously rife with “serious moment…then you MUST break the tension with sight gag/dialogue.” I’m betting Rian must be a hardcore anime fan.
I found the humor in TLJ more akin to the one present in some Marvel movies. The MCU entries are full of bathos and comic moments that break the mood of serious or dramatic scenes (Thor Ragnarok comes to mind).
TLJ, Marvel, and anime all have bathos, but they all use it in different ways, and in different amounts.
Definitely. The prequel fandom didn’t really form until early/mid 2017, until then Lucasfilm ignored them because the Star Wars fandom at large did too.
StarkillerAG said:
But Yoda was only a joke for one scene in ESB, and he was intentionally acting silly to test Luke’s patience. It wasn’t his entire character for the whole movie, like slapstick Hux in TLJ.I realized what was so “off” about TLJ’s tone: it felt like the prequels–specifically, Phantom Menace.
I agree TLJ has a different tone than the OT and the rest of the ST, and it’s a fact Rian’s a bigger prequel fan than anyone except maybe Kathleen Kennedy, but I wouldn’t really say it’s similar to TPM or either of the two prequels.
I might try and see if I can put that in that old one Death Star fanedit.
Where’s the footage of that? I remember seeing it in a youtube video, but can’t find it anymore.
Wasn’t that virtually Ivans edit without the “it belongs to you now” VO?
Not at all. I wouldn’t consider Ivan’s edit remotely conservative.
Even if it was, though, Ivan’s enough of a shitty person that I wouldn’t keep his fanedit around on principle. Profiting off his fanedit is an asshole thing to do and dangerous to fanediting communities like this one.
Who and what edit? Thats messed up to charge people
He wasn’t charging people. Sorry if I wasn’t clear. But he was putting ads on his videos and using patreon to profit off the fanedit, which is still pretty deep into unethical territory and still jeopardizes fanediting communities.
Wasn’t that virtually Ivans edit without the “it belongs to you now” VO?
Not at all. I wouldn’t consider Ivan’s edit remotely conservative.
Even if it was, though, Ivan’s enough of a shitty person that I wouldn’t keep his fanedit around on principle. Profiting off his fanedit is an asshole thing to do and dangerous to fanediting communities like this one.
This guy explains it better than I can (he does good commentary on movies, btw):
lol
Generally I agree though that TLJ’s biggest problem is the Bathos. I’m tempted to make a more conservative edit that just cuts down on some of the weird jokes, but that keeps mostly everything else intact. And even then, I’d still keep the jokes that don’t undermine the story.
I’m not a huge fan of conservative edits, though. If you’re only making minor changes to a movie that doesn’t fundamentally alter the experience, the purist in me would rather just watch the definitive cut of the movie.
I know most people here hate TLJ
I always thought this was a more TLJ-friendly website.
I still watch Harmy’s over 4k77/83. Not sure why. I think I prefer the color grading in most scenes.
Better than Darth Vader killing children
This plays when Zorri and Poe are talking on the roof while Babu Frik is messing with C3PO
In Luke’s vision on Hoth, have Obi-Wan refer to Yoda as “The Jedi Master who instructed the Jedi Master who instructed the Jedi Master who instructed me” to better match the prequels.
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My head cannon is that ESB is accidentally more accurate than the rest of Star Wars, Nolan’s Interstellar-style. Time might pass differently on the surface of different planets versus space?
You’re exactly right. I would go as far to say that it isn’t even accidental.
I wouldn’t go with an Interstellar explanation with it. Maybe Dagobah has a weird relationship to the Force that drives the flow of time in a different manner than the rest of the universe?
Leia creating the First Order would only work if the First Order were very, very different. Leia should not be the ultimate force behind a genocidal fascist regime that destroys planets.
And it has to have more substance than just a reveal. Just leaving it at that is a “Buh-whaaa??” moment and nothing else.
This is a very interesting idea!
Mama Mia that’s a good idea.
Actually it’s “Mamma mia”.
If you want stereotypical phrases, do it correctly, haha
This will sound dumb, but what if Starkiller Base isn’t a planet-killer, but an ancient Sith bioweapon to resurrect the dead?
The First Order’s plan in TFA is to bring Palpatine back to life. This explains how he comes back in TROS and avoids “yet another death star”. Although it sounds dumb in concept considering what we have to work with I think it’d tie things very smoothly.
Alternatively, the FO could be destroying the Republic as a mass-sacrifice to enable Palpatine’s return. I remember something like this in SWTOR.
I think it fits well thematically in TFA. Actually I think this is the only way to introduce bringing Palpatine back in the former two sequels without dragging them down.
Speaking of editing the original trilogy…something seems off here with Vader’s lines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZCo_hZLyh0&feature=youtu.be
Does that “Luke, I am your father” seem off? People seem to be trying to sneak in edits as legitimate clips.
You can hear the music cue from “Luke, you do not yet realize your importance” when he says “Luke, I am your father” in that clip but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.
Eh, even though Luke’s theme was hijacked in the prequels and sequels I think it would be too much trouble and too little payoff to make him a new one, when in the OT itself, it works fine.