SparkySywer

Nobody puts one past detective Handman

I have the Despecialized Editions and 4k77 downloaded to my computer and I just watch it on there. Sometimes stream it to Plex. I never bothered burning them onto discs.

I also have some Special Edition VHS’s, and the 2011 Blu Rays, but I don’t watch those very often. Pretty much the only times I ever interact with them are solely to skim through and check something.

What a time to be alive when this is even a question on the original home of Harmy and Team Negative 1

thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

omnimuffin said:

EddieDean said:

Welp, that totally puts that whole train of speculation to bed.

To be fair, I suppose we do have to acknowledge that Vader-as-father only came in an early ESB script, and Leia-as-sister only existed as an idea for ROTJ, so Star Wars does kind of have this ‘laying the tracks before the train’ approach.

But still, I don’t think that justifies this lack of oversight and planning for what should have been a cohesive trilogy from the start.

EU media will gradually embed Palpatine-as-grandfather in the canon more solidly, but personally I’ll always prefer Rey Nobody, especially knowing how little it mattered to the production team.

All valid points. I very much get where they got the impulse to freewheel it- not wanting to tie themselves down and wanting to recapture some of the ‘free’ atmosphere of the original trilogy, which, like you said, was equally freewheeled original trilogy. It was definitely a mistake.

Major difference was that it was all Lucas freewheelin’ it back in 1980, so there was at least one cohesive goal…whereas it was 3 different directors and writers all mostly ignoring each other for the sequels.

Not really true, Lucas famously hated a lot of the things Irvin Kershner was doing in Empire Strikes Back. And it was often others coming up with those big ideas and changes, most prominently Kasden and Kershner in Empire.

The other influences may be present, sure, but Lucas was still at the helm with his vision guiding things overall.

Not really. While Lucas was distracted with working on Indiana Jones with Spielberg, Irvin Kershner shot Empire in such a way that when George Lucas came back to edit it, he pretty much had no choice but to follow Irvin’s ideas. Very few takes were shot, and among the ones that were shot, there wasn’t a whole lot of variety. While George Lucas wrote the broad strokes of the story, the final product become much more of an Irvin Kershner movie than a George Lucas movie.

Like JakeRyan said, Lucas’s complete lack of control over Empire was a huge influence on RotJ. He took a lot more control over RotJ and hired a much weaker director (Richard Marquand) who wouldn’t pull the kind of stuff Irvin Kershner pulled. This is why I think RotJ feels a lot more Lucas-y than the other two movies. I think this is also why Empire is George Lucas’s least favorite Star Wars movie.

I don’t mean to downplay George Lucas’s contribution to the OT. This isn’t an early 2010s conspiracy theory about how XYZ rando was the REAL creator of Star Wars. But we shouldn’t swing too hard the other direction either. Even ignoring his rocky relationship to Empire, the idea that he was a sole visionary force behind the Original Trilogy is wrong. Most movies are group projects, and hell, Star Wars is the example I usually go to for this, where so many people were putting their ideas for Star Wars, sometimes directly against George Lucas’s wishes, that are now some of the most important aspects of Star Wars. Which is why when the prequels rolled around and George Lucas was in complete control, and all these other creatives were either dead or had had a falling out with Lucas, to most people the movies felt like they were missing something integral to Star Wars.

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Okay but what would any of this achieve? Leave it as Han’ backstory and move on.

It would be a radical change, isn’t that what this thread is?

But radical changes for the sake of radical changes are kinda dumb. I don’t see any apparent benefit to having Solo not actually be about Han, it would just be a bunch of work for absolutely nothing.

Don’t show them the early posts on the prequel radical redux thread lol

TheAlaskanSandman said:

SparkySywer said:

thebluefrog said:

Man, what schools did you guys go to where you only had one teacher for 12 years?

That’s pretty reasonable for a master/apprentice relationship. Not to mention, the prequels making the Jedi start their training as toddlers is kinda ridiculous, training for 12 years is definitely not what they had in mind during the OT.

Besides, the prequels making the Jedi more of a bureaucracy than a creed muddies this a lot. In the OT, what it means to be an apprentice taught by a Jedi master is very different to how it’s depicted in the PT.

All these issues are probably well beyond the scope of a fanedit, but still. This is definitely a contradiction between the OT and PT.

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Leia being Luke’s brother at all, snip.

I mostly agree, except for this being the motive for Luke breaking and attacking Vader to the point of almost losing himself. If there was a way to change Vaders dialogue in that scene then it would all work. Something else that Vader could say or use against Luke to provoke him. Maybe a threat towards his friends, lamenting their soon to be demise, or capture and torture then death. Something. Any good Vader impersonators on here?

I tried this in an old edit in like, 2016. I had my friend voice Vader saying something about how his friends were probably all going to die horrible deaths if he continued to hide, inaction would basically guarantee it. Would he allow his friends to die like that? (Never!)

I don’t know. Looking back I’m not sure if it works, because Luke’s being more rational in that version instead of instinctively going apeshit and cutting Vader’s hand off, kind of ruining the next moment where he notices himself becoming more like Vader because of that. My friend’s VO was unconvincing, anyway, so I never ended up using it.

I like the idea of Yoda not being in the prequels at all personally. Then when you meet him in the OT, he’s a jedi yea, but of a long begotten age. More pure.

Absolutely agree. And this one’s honestly pretty plausible to pull off. Yoda doesn’t have that much of an effect on the plot.

thebluefrog said:

Man, what schools did you guys go to where you only had one teacher for 12 years?

That’s pretty reasonable for a master/apprentice relationship. Not to mention, the prequels making the Jedi start their training as toddlers is kinda ridiculous, training for 12 years is definitely not what they had in mind during the OT.

Besides, the prequels making the Jedi more of a bureaucracy than a creed muddies this a lot. In the OT, what it means to be an apprentice taught by a Jedi master is very different to how it’s depicted in the PT.

All these issues are probably well beyond the scope of a fanedit, but still. This is definitely a contradiction between the OT and PT.

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Leia being Luke’s brother at all, snip.

I mostly agree, except for this being the motive for Luke breaking and attacking Vader to the point of almost losing himself. If there was a way to change Vaders dialogue in that scene then it would all work. Something else that Vader could say or use against Luke to provoke him. Maybe a threat towards his friends, lamenting their soon to be demise, or capture and torture then death. Something. Any good Vader impersonators on here?

I tried this in an old edit in like, 2016. I had my friend voice Vader saying something about how his friends were probably all going to die horrible deaths if he continued to hide, inaction would basically guarantee it. Would he allow his friends to die like that? (Never!)

I don’t know. Looking back I’m not sure if it works, because Luke’s being more rational in that version instead of instinctively going apeshit and cutting Vader’s hand off, kind of ruining the next moment where he notices himself becoming more like Vader because of that. My friend’s VO was unconvincing, anyway, so I never ended up using it.

A lot of the compositing looks better than the compositing in the original movie. Very well done!

I think it would be easy to edit the crawl to say they’re just Jedi bros, and then edit out every time their master/apprentice relationship comes up in the rest of the trilogy.

thebluefrog said:

SparkySywer said:

I’m not sure how I feel about video games and other electronic entertainment existing in the Star Wars universe.

Other than the video game chess Chewie plays?

It’s fine, it’s basically a normal board game but with hologram pieces.

And the electronic entertainment played on screens at Coruscant bars?

Not a fan, although that’s just something in the background that isn’t delved into much. It could be something different in nature to watching sports on TV, although I’m pretty sure the intention was watching sports on TV.

And Padme’s teenage bedroom holo-portraits?

Not a fan, but I think that’s only in a deleted scene anyway.

Or do you prefer your SW entertainment to be Luke still playing with his plastic rocketships at 19 going pew pew while his friends play Water-pool at Toshi Station?

Yeah

Anakin Starkiller said:

I feel like it’s stronger if he’s actively trying to think of something casual and relaxing, like watching space anime. It gives the impression he’s trying to relax but can’t because he’s in such a horrible situation.

I’m not sure how I feel about video games and other electronic entertainment existing in the Star Wars universe.

TheAlaskanSandman said:

idir_hh said:

In Revenge of The Sith when Anakin is playing on that Nintendo wii u looking thing, can we make it look like he is checking on Ashoka in the siege of Mandalore?

Imo the only thing this scene needs, is glimpses of Padame and Obiwan together mixed in his vision to give impression of infidelity.

I agree. It’s cool fanservice but doesn’t really make sense in the context of the movie.

HarrisHolt said:

Like when they knocked down some walls in the Cloud City.

I feel very strongly about this.

Irvin Kershner chose to make it so the sets got more and more constricted and claustrophobic as the Empire closes in on the Rebels, to give the audience that same feeling of claustrophobia. Then George Lucas comes in and adds these CGI windows that don’t even look right, and mucks it all up.

For someone who moans about original visions so much, it’s pretty ironic that he disrespects Kershner’s original vision.

The discourse around this change can get so weird, too. It’s as if people think the lack of windows was an accident or something. Someone even told me once that there wasn’t any windows because of a technological limitation making ESB. They do realize there have been windows in movies since 1895, right? Hell, the unaltered cut of ESB had windows, just less of them.

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Not sure about the prequels, but the sequels were not.

Edit: Guess I’m wrong

This whole thread got hijacked by Duragizer being a wackass and then people meming about it

ANH has a soft ending. Everything introduced in ANH is wrapped up before the credits roll. It’s a soft enough ending, though, that ESB and RotJ can reopen it without undermining ANH.

For example, Luke’s arc in ANH is to trust in the spiritual aspect of the world over the material. It’s resolved when he relies on the Force instead of his targeting computer to destroy the Death Star. However, ESB reopens it as he starts to become a Jedi, and his arc is given a hard ending in RotJ when he beats Vader but doesn’t kill him.

But that soft ending is still there in ANH, and you can easily view ANH as the only Star Wars movie.

As another example, Breaking Bad was supposed to end with Season 4. Everything’s wrapped up and every conflict is resolved, and hell it even ends with Walt saying “It’s over. We’re safe. I won.” You could stop at Face Off and have a complete story.

But Heisenberg is still at large, Walt’s still dealing drugs, you can keep the story going from there, and they did continue the story in a fifth season. So it’s only a soft ending.

I don’t know, maybe that’s what’s going on? I’m not Shopping Maul so I can’t tell you for sure but I imagine that’s what’s going on.

At least there’s some people in the comments mentioning who made it, but Reddit strikes again.

This has got to be one of them

The overarching story George Lucas says is in 1-6 does not exist in the OT. The OT is way more like the first, second, and third movie in a three-part story than a fourth, fifth, and sixth in a six-part story, and ANH and ESB, the first two movies, are entirely filler in a supposed story about Anakin Skywalker. Hell, I can barely imagine the PT as taking place in the same universe as the OT. That’s not even a low the ST descends to.

The story of Star Wars begins in Episode 4 and ends in Episode 6. 1-3 are an entirely separate story that acts as a prequel to Star Wars. 7-9 are an entirely separate story that acts as a sequel to Star Wars.

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I like the idea that all pre-RotJ Jedi had blue lightsabers, but all post-RotJ Jedi had green lightsabers. It adds more depth to Return of the Jedi that the new lightsaber color means a new era of Jedi.

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There is no Star Wars saga. There’s the Star Wars Trilogy, and like them or not, two orbiter trilogies. Each trilogy is its own atomized story.