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The Original Clone Wars Were Way Different

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That’s very interesting. Thank you.

I don’t think they’d drop the ST so overtly, it would probably do the opposite of restoring faith in Disney Star Wars. It would be an embarrassing scandal and a major signal in a lack of faith in their own capabilities. They might sweep it under the rug, but does Disney even consider it worth sweeping under the rug? They’re making a Rey movie, after all.

I think what Disney Star Wars would need to become popular again would be a new generation, sub-franchise, series, idk these things are supposed to be called, with compelling new characters to be the new face of Star Wars for the next decade. I think that’s what they were trying to do with The Mandalorian, but it didn’t pan out and I don’t think the first season was designed with that in mind. I don’t think these characters are going to get a second chance.

What parallels do you see with the Wizard of Oz?

It’s my personal opinion, but I don’t feel like we need to see Anakin or Padme get brutalized for me to sympathize with them. Slavery is wrong in and of itself. Even if their master treats them well, they still own them. As a slave, Anakin would never fulfill his potential or make a life of his own, he’d simply be Watto’s property.

Similarly, I don’t feel like I have to see mass murder for me to think that the Trade Federation invading and occupying a sovereign planet is wrong, either, or that Padme’s situation of having to deal with her planet taken by force isn’t dire without seeing it. There’s a couple scenes where they say the Trade Federation is trying to make the people of Naboo suffer to coerce her into making the invasion legal, and maybe it would have helped to show and not tell, but we do still see some of the effects of the occupation, so it’s not like they don’t show it at all.

I also sort of like how young they made kid Anakin. There are some scenes where I feel like it would do the movie well if he acted more mature. But I like kid Anakin’s innocence, and, I’m not sure how to articulate it, but this feeling of Anakin’s life being a blank canvas that I’m not sure would be there if his age was bumped up to being a teenager or older like a lot of people suggest, where he’s already well on his way to being a grown man. Or maybe this is all nostalgia, though. When I was a kid I loved kid Anakin.

I agree though that Obi-Wan’s kind of lame. The older drafts of the movie where Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are combined into the same character sound really interesting, and I wish something like that was preserved. Either that, or Obi-Wan was the proactive character and Qui-Gon was another apprentice of his. It is what it is, though

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Why put The Phantom Menace so low?

What is the essence of her character? I’m curious of what you see in her.

I don’t like Padme. She loses the will to live because her heart got broken, despite having just given birth to two newborn children. Is being there for her vulnerable infants not enough to give her the will to live? Fuck them kids?

Vladius said:

The line “once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny” is also misinterpreted. Yoda isn’t saying literally any time you get angry or use the Force in anger, you’re beyond hope or redemption. … The consequences of your actions will still be there.

I don’t agree. The full line is “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will! As it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice.”

Specifically look at Yoda’s usage of the word “consume”. Your actions and your decision making will eventually be completely affected by the dark side. It isn’t just that your life is marred by the consequences of your actions, although it is that too, he’s saying that you can’t just dip your toes in the dark side. It’s something that’ll pull you further and further in.

After Return of the Jedi, there’s irony in referring to Darth Vader because he does return to the light. But Darth Vader is, at this point in the story, fully committed to evil. Yoda brings him up to emphasize that once you turn to the dark side, you inevitably become like Darth Vader.

I’ve ranted about this many times before, but Yoda and Obi Wan were not telling Luke to kill Vader.

Luke: “I can’t kill my own father.”

Obi-Wan: “Then the Emperor has already won.”

I don’t remember who, but I remember someone here a few years ago tried using James Earl Jones’s recording of the Bible to replace Vader’s line “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” to “Your mother once thought as you do”. I wonder what that would sound like with AI.

fmalover said:

YouTube user HelloGreedo made what is IMO the best critique of how Palpatine is portrayed. When he first appears in the OT he was inspired by the Roman and Chinese Emperors of old, but the prequels made him so goddamn evil, more akin to a mythological creature from the Underworld.

He’s talking specifically about Clive Revill’s performance in Episode 5. The prequels didn’t make Palpatine like that, Ian McDiarmid did.

With the rebellion being a vague analog for the counterculture movement, could Nixon’s attitude toward its more radical aspects also be a part of how Palpatine was based on him?

No, but what it really meant to be a Jedi wasn’t fleshed out anyway in the OT outside of what it meant for Luke’s growth as a character.

It’s a long shot, but you might be able to achieve something mixing the movie’s audio with the isolated film score.

Cast a Mark Hamill look alike for 9 days’ worth of footage of Luke Skywalker’s daily routine for the trip between Tatooine and Alderaan.

I liked the fight from TFA. The choreography and set(ting?) were really cool, and Kylo Ren beating his gunshot wound was awesome.

What happened?

I don’t like the prequels either but contradicting yourself on details is pretty different from an incoherent story

It’s a pretty cool idea in theory but I don’t find the timeline very impressive

I don’t think they have any sort of chemistry at all. I don’t think there’s a single scene where I can believe them as a couple, and based on George Lucas’s personal life I don’t think he has any clue what a good relationship looks like.

The Phantom Menace is the only movie which doesn’t have a reference to the Death Star. How could we add one?

This is in the Fanedit Care Package if you know where to find that

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G&G-Fan said:

I’ve come up with a great analogy for why Anakin’s turn doesn’t work.

Imagine you have a romantic partner and they get into a terrible car accident. You’ve been in the hospital for 3 days and there’s a possibility she may die. You’re worried sick and have barely slept. Satan himself (for the record, I’m an atheist, but this is hypothetical) appears to you and says, “I’ll save her if you kill all of your neighbors, coworkers and their families, every friend you’ve ever had and their families, your entire extended family, and your partner’s entire extended family. This includes any of the children or babies.”

Who would do that?

There has to be some parallel between Anakin being tricked into becoming Space Hitler and the Senate being tricked into becoming Space Nazi Germany, though. I don’t think this is a mistake or a failure of the prequels, but genuinely how George Lucas views the world, or at least the message he was trying to convey.