The ST is about stopping their respective returns.
In the end, what that turned out to mean was “Kill Palpatine again because we didn’t do it last time.” That’s a little less compelling than the way you describe it.
You said it
> I don’t know about this guy. Seems ridiculously modern for Star Wars.
> I wonder where this character comes from?
(looks at appearances section)
>> Master & Apprentice by Claudia Gray
I would also worry about unintended resonance between those two lines.
“You’re just a clone.”
“Your clone. What Palpatine stood for, what he fought for… that’s not gone.”
Actually lol’d at this
But that’s the ‘real’ version of what happened. If you delete it, there’s only the two less accurate recollections, though I suppose that would add an interesting amount of additional ambiguity. I have seen a tweak to it here (though I don’t recall who by, sorry) where it was adjusted to have Luke explicitly turn his saber off before Ben struck at him, making it clearer that Luke wasn’t going to attack him, which might be the sort of thing you’re looking for.
If I remember correctly that was an idea put forward in the ST Radical Redux thread. I know someone started working on it, but I don’t know if they ever finished it. (I hope they did/do, though!)
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Not very impressive, you don’t ever see the blade actually retract, but if I made a fanedit of TLJ I’d be satisfied. If OP or anyone else finds this interesting they’re welcome to use it, I’ll render a higher bitrate version.
“Luke, help me take this mask off.”
“But you’ll die.”
“Wait, shit, really? Scratch that then.”
It looks like an issue with the Blu Ray, which Despecialized uses as a source.
When Luke introduces himself to the droids in ANH, he should call himself Luke Lars.
When Obi-Wan tells Luke about his father, he should spell out his father’s name was Anakin Skywalker and thus his name is actually Luke Skywalker.
Ok but how is that terrible? It’d help explain why he was never a target for the Empire or Darth Vader.
It’s a bad idea because it has the subtlety of a sledgehammer, and because Luke Lars is a stupid enough sounding name that attention should not be directed toward it.
Is this just a thread for “Edit ideas that acknowledge the prequels” (even though this wouldn’t even be exclusively dealing with the prequels)?
Why does everything have to be about this weird persecution complex prequel fans have? Literally none of this has to do with the prequels, you even say that. Where you drew the connection is honestly beyond me.
Luke and Anakin’s journeys should have paralleled a lot closer than they do in the PT we got. More than just a few visual references. Their arcs should be more or less the same, up until Luke sees he’s going down the same path as Vader and rejects it in RotJ.
Both Anakin and Luke would start their path becoming Jedi for the wrong reasons: Seeking out adventure, and becoming more powerful to help fight in a cause. They’ll both get their asses kicked by the villain of the story, but Anakin doesn’t get the revelation of the path his father went down. Anakin will start to seek out the dark side, which will leave him better equipped to fight in a war than the Jedi’s pacifist teachings. He’d defeat the enemy in a reversal of the RotJ throne room. Without his “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment, he kills the villain and ends up at Palpatine’s side.
I definitely think that the Clone Wars should have played a much larger, more visible role in Anakin’s development. Instead of seeming like a bad apple even before the War began, he should have experienced a loss of innocence as he grew up in a wartime environment. The Jedi who came of age during the War would have been of a more warlike sort, with Anakin never being trained or taught by Yoda like Luke was, leaving him as more of a warrior than a monk. This more martial personality would lead to Anakin becoming popular among the masses during the War, being seen as a champion of the Republic, while also leaving him much more vulnerable to the pursuit of more aggressive forms of power.
I like it.
What about George’s concept that Anakin was the son of Palpatine. He even had a reveal scene like Empire where Palpatine reveals it to Anakin, it was in an earlier script draft of Revenge of the Sith.
There’s a prequel rewrite on youtube where a central plot point is how Anakin is a clone of Palpatine. Anakin turns to the dark side because he’s convinced he has no free will, echoing things he says in RotJ (I must obey my master). In RotJ when he finally overthrows Palpatine, it becomes the ultimate expression of freedom as the triumph of free will. Interesting concept.
I dunno, Darth Vader is pretty evil-sounding. It makes more sense that Anakin changed his name at some point to something more sinister. The issue is that Darth became a title given to any goofball with a red lightsaber instead of a unique first name.
I always thought it would have made sense that Jedi adopt a new ‘Jedi Knight’ name after being knighted - kind of how Pope’s take a new name. That way “Ben” Kenobi would have been his rightful name, and “Obi-Wan” was his Jedi name.
Which would explain why Anakin Skywalker took “Darth Vader” as his name - once he was ‘no longer the learner’ - it was his new name to indicate he had completed his training.
I’ve always liked that idea in the context of prequel rewrites, but Vader gets more offended than would make sense if that were the case when he’s called Anakin in RotJ. I also thought it might be interesting if Anakin Skywalker was the Jedi name like suggested above, but then Luke calling himself Skywalker would be a little weird, unless it’s not.
In my opinion Anakin must be 22 by ROTS’ end in order for his canonical death age of 45 to work.
Well yeah, that’s not an opinion. But someone changing his age in RotS is probably also okay with changing their canonical death age, especially when they say it makes it more consistent with the OT.
There’s been a “XYZ Fanediting Ideas” thread for every movie that’s come out since TFA I think, but most of them have been abandoned. You’d have to dig kinda far to find it.
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Everyone I know who’s actually read High Republic think it’s great. At worst, just uninteresting. Nobody’s even said it’s bad. Like other people have said, it’s all just outrage culture clickbait BS. The insectoids must always remain outraged. Now that the ST has finished a few years ago, they need to come up with something else to be outraged over.
TRoS absolutely undeniably undoes the Chosen One prophecy, it was one thing when there were dark side dudes running around after RotJ, another when the Sith never went away and Palpatine didn’t even die.
This is what I think about the Chosen One prophecy though:
Have any prequel edits removed the Chosen One?
I’d say most of them have, it’s only the super conservative ones that don’t. It’s not a hard thing to remove, it’s talked about in a few scenes in TPM, mentioned once in AotC, twice in RotS, and never comes up again.
This comes down to how people view Star Wars. A lot of people view Star Wars movies as basically lore-shovels, and if that’s the case, this kind of thing is to be expected. But if you view them as movies, as stories, undoing a significant point in the story undermines the story. Oedipus Rex loses some impact if immediately after, he grows back his eyes. Why Oedipus Rex was the first thing to come to mind? I don’t know.
I’m not bothered much by the neo-Imperials because nobody bought the Empire would just go away, even before the ST, and not bothered much by a New Republic falling because, since the Republic begat the Empire, returning to the Republic means a return to the Empire in some shape or form. Although TRoS doesn’t go with that route, it says the New Republic fell because Palpatine, but that’s neither here nor there.
That’s pretty much it, though. There’s no “People need to understand that things are temporary” about death, so Palpatine isn’t really a fair thing to defend this way.
Hal 9000 said:
I recently had the idea to set up an automaton on my phone to randomly draw a number from 1 to 8192 every day at 2AM. If it’s one, it sets me a reminder at 6AM to let me know today is a shiny day.Doesn’t mean anything, and it’d statistically likely be 11 years before it happens, but what a fun thing it’ll be whenever it happens.
Interesting idea. I might do that.
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You’re not an extraterrestrial being, I agree dude. That show is downright unwatchable. I’ve tried so many times to like it, I really have, but it’s really just bad.
Luke and Anakin’s journeys should have paralleled a lot closer than they do in the PT we got. More than just a few visual references. Their arcs should be more or less the same, up until Luke sees he’s going down the same path as Vader and rejects it in RotJ.
Both Anakin and Luke would start their path becoming Jedi for the wrong reasons: Seeking out adventure, and becoming more powerful to help fight in a cause. They’ll both get their asses kicked by the villain of the story, but Anakin doesn’t get the revelation of the path his father went down. Anakin will start to seek out the dark side, which will leave him better equipped to fight in a war than the Jedi’s pacifist teachings. He’d defeat the enemy in a reversal of the RotJ throne room. Without his “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment, he kills the villain and ends up at Palpatine’s side.
I think TestingOutTheTest is referring to something I said, like, a month ago about TRoS and ESB’s reveals. And it’s a fair enough point for Palpatine’s return in a sense, you can look back at RotS, TFA, and TLJ after the fact and read foreshadowing into them even when it was never there. But foreshadowing alone isn’t really enough.
I wouldn’t even really call the example of Ben’s Hut scene foreshadowing, it’s more that it’s a detail which makes more sense after the twist than it did before. Stuff like that sells a twist. Stuff that either makes more sense, or only makes sense after a twist. Stuff that takes on a new, deeper meaning after the twist. Stuff that you look back on and see the twist in.
Not to use the some of the same examples again, but (avoiding spoilers for movies people haven’t seen…) Oh Dae-Su’s captivity doesn’t make a whole lot of sense… until it does. The time dilation aspect of Planet of the Apes isn’t all that relevant… until it is. Bruce Willis’s wife’s behavior seems like a detour from the main focus of the story… but it’s not. Adam being in Nerv’s basement is a blatant contradiction of the facts we know… because that’s not really what’s going on.
Those are the kinds of clues you need leading up to a twist. Foreshadowing is great and all, especially on rewatch once you know the twist, or to flex if you’re an author who’s sold a convincing twist. But it doesn’t actually sell the twist.
Bad twists fail to sell themselves to an audience when they aren’t really rooted in what’s come before. They’re just random new information which changes nothing (which is ironic). Like in Now You See Me.
They could have had every single screen in TFA and TLJ flash “Palpatine will return in Episode 9” in Aurebesh, I doubt it would help sell the reveal to many people. Because how does Palpatine returning and being Rey’s grandfather really have anything to do with the story of TFA and TLJ?
I guess it answers a few unanswered questions, but while those questions were unanswered, you can extrapolate and infer reasonable answers from the info we’re given. More importantly, though, there’s no reason Palpatine is a better answer. Not in an entertainment sense, that’s subjective. But in the sense that the answers we were led to believe were flawed or contradictory, and Palpatine is a better answer.
Snoke being a Palpatine puppet might be better setup for Palpatine’s return if we were led to believe he had another backstory, but had some reason why it couldn’t be true. Maybe we’re led to believe Snoke is some cultist or something who took power by managing to swing old Imperials and Neo-Imperials to his side by acting like the next Palpatine. Then, separately, we learn that he has some secret knowledge or something that the Republic thought died with Palpatine, and that’s how he’s able to… I don’t know, maybe build Starkiller Base or raise a clone army (fake twist misdirect there) or something related to the conflict or plot of Episode 7. When it turns out Snoke was a puppet all along and Palpatine’s still out there, you look back and think “I should have seen this coming, there’s no way Snoke could have been just some nobody because of that secret knowledge.”
But that’s kind of cheating, retroactively coming up with ideas for 7 knowing how 9 eventually turned out, because that’s not a luxury Lucasfilm had.
Another thing worth mentioning is that Vader being Luke’s father fits because it’s a natural continuation of Luke’s arc in ANH. Not the natural continuation, there’s no such thing, but it logically flows from ANH. Luke spends ANH and most of ESB wanting to be like his father, then learns his father is not at all what he should be striving to become.
Nothing about TRoS really flows forward from TLJ. Rey ends TLJ moving on from placing so much importance on her family to her and the movie placing tons and tons of importance on her family in TRoS. TLJ ends setting up Kylo Ren as the Supreme Leader who’s going to be in conflict with Hux, but to say Kylo Ren is playing second fiddle in TRoS, that alone is a pretty charitable interpretation when he’s even being upstaged by Pryde. The conflict with Hux is there, but it’s inconsequential and I wholeheartedly believe it’s only there to dodge criticism. If it weren’t for “I want Kylo Ren to lose” becoming a meme, I think people would forget Hux was even in this movie.
Every loose thread from TLJ is dropped and ignored in TRoS for an entirely new story, and like I said, the reason a lot of people don’t buy Palpatine’s role in TRoS is because it’s not a twist, it’s a premise for an entirely new story which tries to sell itself as the completion of an old one.
What do you guys think? Do I make sense or have I gone too deep into schizo territory?
This quote fro Temeura seems to indicate we’ll at least see what he was up to between ROTJ and Mando, if we don’t go back even further.
I’m sure we’ll see Boba escaping the Sarlacc pit, which makes me wonder - which version of it are they going to use? The one which is basically a hole or the one with a beak? (Not that anyone on here needs the special edition changes explained to them)
Very likely that they will. The very episode he was confirmed in used Special Edition footage of the Death Star explosion with the Praxis rings.
The Monkey Welder demonstrates the dualistic nature of the Rise of Skywalker.
Based that they wrote in a monkey, cringe that they had him weld Kylo Ren’s mask together. The writing of this movie is a Hegelian Dialectic of which the Monkey Welder is the synthesis.
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