In your opinion, was Star Wars better off under George Lucas or Disney?
Hard to come up with an answer to this one
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Can someone explain why everyone thinks Mace is this badass lightsaber duelist. He went out in a very weak way. Blown out a window due to unlimited power. After Anakin chopped his hand off.
To be fair the power was unlimited
If it derailed in 1983, where was the rail originally headed? Star Wars has always taken older successful ideas and repackaged them into highly commercialized blockbusters, and its own success eventually eclipsed its inspirations. I think Star Wars was always going to end up like this and I agree with JadedSkywalker that we need fresh IP.
G&G Fan, can you give a clip of the matte painting being used in the movie?
Dang. Thatâs a shame that you feel that way. What changed your mind on this AU specifically?
âDo you want to know why I keep a rabid cur in such a place of power? Because weakness, properly manipulated can be a sharp tool.â
I donât think the movie sold me on this. Also, Hux is still in the room when he says this lol
Then itâs probably just DNR, which would have been introduced in 2004. It would be worth checking the new Disney versions from 2019 to see if itâs in there (it shouldnât be if itâs DNR, or should present itself differently since itâs a new scan). Iâd do it but I no longer have Disney+ and I donât have those Blu Rays.
It might be DNR from 2004. Did you rip a Blu Ray to get this or did you do something like a web rip? Are you using the 2011 versions or the new Disney ones from 2019?
I wondered at the time why this moment bugged me, and itâs because Holdo was giving off Dolores Umbridge vibes.
Itâs funny that you say that, when I saw The Last Jedi for the first time in 2017, my friend leaned over during this scene and said âThis is Umbridgeâ. I wonder if that made Holdo easier to swallow for me.
I donât think you have to invoke Hanlonâs razor for the ST. For example, Luke is now a failure whose accomplishments are undone and who unleashes evil onto the galaxy, whose only redemption is that the fake image people have of him might eventually lead to other people cleaning up his mess. I donât think itâs malicious, because I and a lot of other people thought it was a compelling story and gave Luke some of his best character moments in the saga, but at the same time, he didnât accidentally stumble into subverting Lukeâs entire purpose in the story, and couldnât have naively thought it would be received well by everybody.
IMO, itâs a symptom of the ST being glorified fanfiction. Rian Johnson is a fan who wrote what he thought was a good story with little input from the original creator of the series, and TLJ would probably fit better if it was a spinoff or AU than as the canonical ending of Luke Skywalkerâs story.
Nope actually that line is awesome. So is the kill the past one from Kylo Ren.
Iâm not a fan of anything Holdo says in this scene
Blazing hot take I know
I think itâs hardly an insult to say Star Wars dialog sounds like it was written by George Lucas, even if his dialog wasnât great.
If it counts, it bugs me that when BB8 is beeping right before Poe says âHappy beepsâ, itâs supposed to be âI have a bad feeling about thisâ.
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Would it have been though?
He needs to confront Vader to face his fear and resist the dark side in a final spiritual confrontation. Itâs a continuation of the events of Empire Strikes Back. He failed in the cave specifically because he brought his weapons with him and he was full of fear. He failed at fighting Vader both because he was unprepared physically, but also spiritually. Now that he has his training, heâs prepared, so he needs to do it. As Yoda tells him, itâs his final trial to become a Jedi. He has to meet Vader again face-to-face, and gain the victory by resisting temptation. That includes the temptation to join Vader because heâs his father.
I did not consider this. Thank you for the interesting read!
I agree Skybatman.
Iâm hopeful if they keep damaging the brand over and over again like they are, eventually it will get to the point they have to sell it because thereâs no return anymore. So long as Disneyâs name is attached to it, no ones showing up. This would be the absolute best outcome for the brand.
The fact they keep doubling down on terrible ideas, tells me they are gonna do just that.
Star Wars makes too much money from merchandising for it to ever not be profitable. If they ever wanted to give up on making Star Wars theyâll probably just sit on the IP like dragons.
G&G Fan, is your opinion that Vader killing the younglings is a good storytelling choice or that it just isnât a new low for him?
Mostly the latter. The former heavily depends on execution, but itâs not a good choice in the film as itâs scripted, structured, presented, etc. Another thing to be considered is tact.
I donât feel like itâs a new low in the sense that I expect him to have some a higher conscience or moral code than this, but itâs definitely a different kind of evil to what he does in the OT.
George Lucas seems to have written himself into a spot where there are children who have to be killed by this regime, but I feel like thereâs a big difference in characterization between depicting a guy who leads troops into a bloodbath where children die, and depicting a guy who personally stabs children who trust him.
Would you feel the same way if George Lucas depicted Anakin as having killed small animals as a teenager? Thatâs also something I donât think Darth Vader would have some moral problem with, but making him into the kind of guy who used to do that changes his characterization significantly.
Him killing kids, plus him killing the sand people, make Anakin seem like he was always just a bad egg. I think thatâs what you like about it, but if the prequels are supposed to be about the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, I think it makes it a lot less tragic.
It might be different if the scene was in a different context, but I also donât think gradually leading into it more wouldnât change it that much.
G&G Fan, is your opinion that Vader killing the younglings is a good storytelling choice or that it just isnât a new low for him?
When is Leia whiny?
Maybe they just fell out of fashion
I donât think anyoneâs âafraidâ to say it, nobodyâs going to come and put you in jail for saying media thatâs about and for men and their experiences is a good thing. Although I donât think men are starved for male protagonists.
What do you mean by rubbing shoulders with unpleasant youtube grifters? Are you watching them and taking what they say seriously, or just failing to disagree with them on this one thing?
Honestly, itâs surprising to me that âFandom Menaceâ grifters are still around. Disney Star Wars has been consistently pointless and not worth following for years now, nobody I know in real life is even watching it anymore. Itâs also why I feel really surprised about the backlash to the Acolyte.
Not to shit on Star Wars too much. The reason weâre still talking about it, and the reason weâre still coming back here, is because it meant something to us once and we have a lot to say.
I donât think any particular line bothers me as much as some of the dumb exchanges in this movie
QUI-GON: Your highness, with your permission weâre headed for a remote planet called Tatooine. Itâs in a system far beyond the reach of the Trade Federation.
PANAKA: I do not agree with the Jedi on this one.
QUI-GON: You must trust my judgement.
End of scene.
This scene is so stupid and pointless and it grinds my gears so bad
Star Wars doesnât have to be Cocomelon to still be for kids. It can still have some level of maturity while not being on the same level of maturity as media made for adults.
I addressed that already. Obi Wan is saying that Luke has to be willing to kill Vader, but heâs not sending him to kill Vader, as that would be pointless. The word they use is confront. I already posted this somewhere else but thereâs a quote from one of the Timothy Zahn books where Luke talks about this, he says that he assumed that when they told him to confront Vader that that meant he would have to kill him, but that was wrong and that wasnât necessarily what they meant. Not that that is Disney canon or G canon, but it shows that before the prequels that was the normal interpretation.
Do you remember which book?
In the conversation theyâre having right before this exchange, theyâre disagreeing on whether or not Vader has any good left in him. I feel like the post-prequel interpretation makes more sense to me than Obi-Wan just wanting him to be prepared to kill Vader.
Why is sending Luke to kill Vader pointless? Whatâs the difference in sending him to âconfrontâ Vader if he has to be willing to kill him, anyway?
This is really cool. If OP is still around, it would be cool to see this developed further.
