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#1440886
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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jedi_bendu said:

The Rise of Skywalker - Look What You Have Made by Nerrel

Excusing the deliberately terrible thumbnail, this 40-minute critique of TROS is genuinely one the most intelligent and believe it or not, important video essays I’ve ever watched. It goes beyond complaining about the plot, having you understand the movie and why movies like it still get made. It has important thoughts about the current state and future of cinema in general, something that’s never really occurred to me before but which makes me very worried. Please watch!

Beware of spoilers for Colin Trevorrow’s Duel of the Fates and The Mandalorian season 2.

It is a very good video essay. If you’re gonna listen to some asshole youtuber talk about their opinions on Space Kino, this is the video you should watch.

TestingOutTheTest said:

It’s a jab at people acting like foreshadowing Palpatine’s return in TFA or TLJ would’ve destroyed the themes of hope or whatever.

I don’t know why you’re so hung up on that. It’s not like Palptine’s return not being foreshadowed was a creative choice, it’s because it’s some shit they came up with 10 months before the movie came out. If you’re talking about fanediting and just fanediting, you really gotta worry less about other people’s projects and their own creative decisions. There’s tons of ideas I don’t like that people incorporate into their fanedits. They can do whatever they want, even if it doesn’t appeal to me.

Regardless, I hope you know there’s a difference between retroactively altering a story and… releasing a third movie in a series that was always understood by literally everyone to be a trilogy.

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#1440885
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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NeverarGreat said:

Qui-gon’s explanation of the Force is one of duality; matter and energy, body and soul, mortal and God. A conduit, an intermediary, is required to bridge the gap and allow for a unification. It is a religious doctrine in keeping with the doctrinaire Jedi Order and its stratified system of authority and control.

Yoda dispenses with duality, implying that matter and energy are merely two appearances of the same essence. It is a spiritual teaching aiming at the highest truth, which is that all appearances of form and difference are merely shadows cast from the light of the eternal Force.

That’s a very interesting way to put it.

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#1440745
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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Spirituality, at least what I mean by it and what people mean when they criticize midichlorians for “demystifying the Force”, doesn’t really mean dealing with a higher power. There’s a materialistic explanation for the Force, the source of a Jedi’s power, and Anakin’s conception. Just because you can kind of squint your eyes and use a religious word to describe it (“God”) doesn’t mean that midichlorians aren’t totally material.

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#1440730
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:
made you look

It’s a symbiotic relationship

Sure, I dig that

and very spiritual.

A material explanation for how a Jedi gets their power is the polar opposite of spiritual.

The Midi-Chlorians and Force aren’t the same thing. It’s one of the biggest misconceptions.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Midichlorians-Are-Not-The-Force/id/84084/page/1#1415227

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#1440725
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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BedeHistory731 said:

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

Heck, I’d have loved a straight retcon of Midichlorians as a symptom of larger issues within the Jedi Order. Saying they were a bullshit idea the Order adopted in their decline as a means of selection for child abduction.

This fits in well with one of the themes of ANH of materialism vs spiritualism. It might be an interesting idea if the Jedi’s belief in midichlorians were a signifier of them leaning more toward materialism. If you lean into this enough you could make the case that the Jedi are only Jedi in name. Sure they run around the galaxy with laser swords, and they think they understand the Force (midichlorians), but they don’t have a connection to the spiritual.

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#1440713
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

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#1440547
Topic
Worst Edit Ideas
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Ed Slushie said:

Eyepainter said:

JackNapier said:

Eyepainter said:

In the flashback sequence of The Last Jedi, have Luke straight up murder Kylo Ren in cold blood. Then, give no explanation for why Kylo is still alive in the present.

Essentially what happened in the “movie”

You mean to tell me Luke actually sliced off Kylo Ren’s head in the flashback all this time? Damn, I must be losing my memory.

Jack Napier lives in a society

Now yuo see…

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#1440057
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Mysteries of hyperspace?
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Star Wars shouldn’t really have modernity in it, IMO. Modernity in the sense of being familiar to the 20th/21st century. That’s one big thing I’m not a huge fan of in the New EU.

Scientists are cool, but they should be Galileo or Tycho Brahe types, not Michio Kaku types. Schools are cool, but they should be more like ancient academies or tutors, not like the formal Prussian education system. Diners/restaurants are cool, but they should look more like medieval taverns than a 50s diner.

What we see in the OT isn’t that the galaxy is anything like our society. It’s a lot more like pre-industrial societies, culturally and economically, but with sci-fi technology. Like if you gave Rome or Medieval Japan spaceships and advanced medicine.

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#1440056
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I abhor the &quot;X undoes Y's accomplishments&quot; criticism so much.
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TestingOutTheTest said:

SparkySywer said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

you’re somehow fine with it in Civil War, Logan and Infinity War.

Why would you just assert that

I’ll give you a hint: people compare Rey to Anakin and Luke in “Mary Sue” discussions.

People do that because there’s, like, a lot of overlap between them. You know, being part of the same series and such. Hell, that isn’t even a really good argument anyway, because maybe they do think Anakin and Luke are Mary Sues, too. You can’t assume that they don’t.

If someone said Rey was a Mary Sue and I responded by saying “Uh… why are you okay with Mellori from Wizard101??? She’s no different from Rey!!” Okay, maybe they are okay with Mellori. Maybe they’re not. Chances are though the reason they’re not talking about Mellori is because she’s not remotely relevant to Star Wars. There’s a very high likelihood that they don’t even know who tf Mellori is, which turned out to be the case with Servii and Civil War, Logan, & Infinity War… he’s not an MCU/X-Men fan and doesn’t know or care about whether or not X undoes Y’s accomplishments in those movies.

Why are you even defending this? You asserted Servii is okay with something in movies he’s never seen, without any reason whatsoever to think he felt anything one way or another. It was a ballsy as hell thing to do and, shockingly, you turned out to be dead wrong.

BedeHistory731 said:

Star Wars was a mistake. Just, the whole franchise was a mistake. I side more with TestingOuttheTest, but I stand by regretting the existence of this godawful franchise.

Am I a hypocrite for posting this?

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#1439770
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I abhor the &quot;X undoes Y's accomplishments&quot; criticism so much.
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Servii said:

Except what reason do we have to believe that Palpatine is gone for good this time? At least Dark Empire, for all its issues, bothered to explain how the heroes were able to prevent Palpatine’s return in future stories, ensuring that he could never come back to life. After TRoS, though, what is there to stop Palpatine from just possessing a new body somewhere else? Is he going to be like Sigma from Mega Man X and just keep coming back over and over again until it becomes comical?

Worth noting that the canon novelization for TRoS does say there’s really no way of being sure Palpatine isn’t just gonna come back again.

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#1439740
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The Last Jedi: Stoic Edition (WIP)
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TestingOutTheTest said:

@Sparky Ah, yes, suggestions for helping achieve OP’s intention while also making sure he knows what he’s already changing is inherently wrong.

You’re arguing against the fundamental ideas of OP’s fanedit. 9 times out of 10, or probably more, you just disagree with the fanedit on a conceptual level. That’s fine. The fanedit is just not for you. OP understands what he’s changing fine. You often act like you have the supreme understanding of the ST, but you’re just one person with one particular subjective interpretation of these movies.

The best thing that could possibly happen (from your perspective) is you end up hijacking their creative project. In all likelihood, you’re just gonna end up arguing for the sake of arguing.

If you truly want to give suggestions for helping OP achieve their intention, give constructive criticism on the execution of their ideas. You often give destructive criticism of their creative purpose.

I’m probably contributing to the problem by feeding it and adding more off-topic comments to this post, though.

CaptainFaraday said:

HELP NEEDED:
Here’s where I need some help - mostly technical, but a few issues with finding access to source material I need.

  • Rendering new opening crawl.
  • Getting access to “Cobalt Squadron” audiobook narrated by KMT, to create new Rose Tico line of dialogue (“The shuttle’s being towed!”).
  • Removing music from dialogue. (“Red plomme bloom!” “The Master Codebreaker!”)
  • Colour correct shot of red plomme bloom so that it’s on DJ’s jacket.
  • Remove lightsaber audio from dialogue in third flashback.
  • Add 4K source shot to punch in for Snoke closeup.
  • Extend final group shot on the Falcon by a few seconds.

I can definitely help with the opening crawl. What were you thinking of for the text? Unless I’m dead blind and can’t find it.

I can also probably help with the plomme bloom but I’m not sure specifically what you were thinking that would entail. Speaking of which, not really sure what you mean by removing lightsaber audio from dialogue in the third flashback.

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#1439729
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Worst Edit Ideas
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bbghost said:

Eyepainter said:

Replace the musical score for the opening crawls with Cantina Band instead.

When it works, it works.
https://streamable.com/j7ksa3

This whole video screams 2000s internet

bbghost said:

yeah idk must be a fan thing. only one i could find on youtube

Edit: I think that was my youtube video lol, I made it for a thread on OT.com that’s long dead.

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#1439727
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The Last Jedi: Stoic Edition (WIP)
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TestingOutTheTest said:

The Last Jedi is a film with great ideas and themes that it doesn’t communicate clearly.

They don’t explicitly communicate them to avoid needless spoonfeeding. Imagine if J.J. explicitly had Kylo go up to the camera and spoonfeed us that he was injured and bleeding and that was why he lost to Rey.

Removed Tali and all introductions to the bombing fleet personnel - it’s more important to focus on Paige in this sequence.

It’s there to add weight to when Tallie and the others — some of Poe’s friends — are killed in the ambush.

Removed random insert shots of stuff in Luke’s hut; the scene cuts directly to his robes being folded.

It’s an establishing shot telling us that we’re inside “some kind of building”.

Reinstated the deleted scene where Finn gets his jacket from Poe, with scene transition by poppasketti and pleasehello (Hal).

It’s redundant. We don’t need to push it down our throats that Finn has to fight for the cause.

Removed Leia slapping Poe. That’s not how a good leader would act, not to mention it’s a double-standard; imagine if Han slapped Rey for something in TFA.

The difference is that Poe caused mass genocide.

Reinstated the “Luke Has A Moment” deleted scene (Hal).

I also think it’s redundant. It can be already be inferred he’s mourning Han in the Falcon scene.

Force Skype conversations: dialogue extensively trimmed. Only one line is spoken in the first one, which breaks the connection; in the second they manage to hold a short conversation; by the third, they can communicate freely; in the fourth, they touch hands.

Scene 1 re-establishes Rey saw Han as a father figure, foreshadows Luke’s death and (re-)establishes Kylo’s relationship with Luke. Don’t remember too much about Scene 2.

Cut the Robot Chicken style joke where Luke tickles Rey’s hand.

It’s to show that Rey is naive, especially when it comes to the Force.

Removed reference to Luke cutting himself off from the Force. This is such a massive idea that the KOTOR games were completely centred on exploring it, and here it’s tossed out as a throwaway explanation for something that doesn’t even need one. Having the Force was never like having a GPS tracker on you in the OT, so why would we suddenly need a reason that Leia and Snoke haven’t been able to find Luke with the Force?

Luke doesn’t want to use the Force anymore. He thinks he, himself, will make things worse. It also explains how he didn’t sense Han’s death and the NR’s destruction.

Luke’s first lesson has been pruned to focus on his opinion that the Jedi’s legacy is failure, and so is his own.

If you’re referring to the lesson about the light, that was to show that the light would still exist, even if the Jedi die off. Luke believes the galaxy doesn’t NEED the Jedi.

No shirtless Kylo japes. He just happens to not be wearing a shirt now.

It’s to show that Rey is actually seeing Kylo and not just sensing him.

Luke deactivates his lightsaber immediately in the third flashback; he doesn’t realise Kylo is awake and hears it, . VFX shot courtesy of SparkySywer.

He keeps it on because he was ashamed of what he was doing. It’s like in ROTJ when he sees his hand after catching himself harming Vader.

Removed iron/spaceship gag, using a deleted scene restored by poppasketti (Hal).

Then how are you going to explain how or where they got FO uniforms?

Used poppasketti’s editing of the buildup to Snoke’s death using musical score from The Force Awakens (Hal).

Snoke’s hubris blinds him from realizing Kylo was gonna kill him.

Removed the awkward kiss between Finn and Rose. There aren’t any romantic undertones in their story arc so it comes out of nowhere, and Finn doesn’t actually look particularly pleased about it.

That’s the point. Finn is so caught up in Rey he doesn’t realize Rose loves him, and even he rejects her because she sexually harassed him, which also reinforces that he’s still into Rey, even WITH caring for the cause.

Cut the Broom Boy scene from the ending, instead irising out on the small spark of the Resistance that the whole film has been about saving as they bond in the Falcon.

This removes the point of the movie - Luke’s sacrifice inspires hope in times of hopelessness. This also removes foreshadowing for the galaxy rallying on Exegol.

Man, I thought you’d gotten over needlessly arguing with people’s own creative projects. If you aren’t on board with someone’s ideas, move on.

This looks like a very promising fanedit, Faraday. I really like the direction you want to take the Last Jedi.

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#1438960
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Is there a fan edit that removes 3rd flashback from The Last Jedi? (Luke-Ben scene)
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CaptainFaraday said:

sade1212 said:

But that’s the ‘real’ version of what happened. If you delete it, there’s only the two less accurate recollections, though I suppose that would add an interesting amount of additional ambiguity. I have seen a tweak to it here (though I don’t recall who by, sorry) where it was adjusted to have Luke explicitly turn his saber off before Ben struck at him, making it clearer that Luke wasn’t going to attack him, which might be the sort of thing you’re looking for.

If I remember correctly that was an idea put forward in the ST Radical Redux thread. I know someone started working on it, but I don’t know if they ever finished it. (I hope they did/do, though!)

That was me

Not very impressive, you don’t ever see the blade actually retract, but if I made a fanedit of TLJ I’d be satisfied. If OP or anyone else finds this interesting they’re welcome to use it, I’ll render a higher bitrate version.