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#1545572
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What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
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G&G-Fan said:

I’ve come up with a great analogy for why Anakin’s turn doesn’t work.

Imagine you have a romantic partner and they get into a terrible car accident. You’ve been in the hospital for 3 days and there’s a possibility she may die. You’re worried sick and have barely slept. Satan himself (for the record, I’m an atheist, but this is hypothetical) appears to you and says, “I’ll save her if you kill all of your neighbors, coworkers and their families, every friend you’ve ever had and their families, your entire extended family, and your partner’s entire extended family. This includes any of the children or babies.”

Who would do that?

There has to be some parallel between Anakin being tricked into becoming Space Hitler and the Senate being tricked into becoming Space Nazi Germany, though. I don’t think this is a mistake or a failure of the prequels, but genuinely how George Lucas views the world, or at least the message he was trying to convey.

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#1538538
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How would you restructure Anakin's turn to the dark side in the Prequels?
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If Anakin’s fight with Dooku in Episode 3 is supposed to call back to the Throne Room fight in Episode 6, it would be cool if Dooku called back to how Vader “must obey his master.”

Anakin would be left with the question in his mind of why a Sith would do that, which would be resolved at the end of the movie when he’s in the suit, having lost everything, and still obeying Palpatine. It would also make Dooku more of an interesting character, and retroactively add something to this scene in Return of the Jedi.

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#1535921
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Spuffure said:

I seriously don’t know how much longer I can go on like this. Life really is putting me in the shitter.

Go outside. Stop spending so much time online. Go to the gym. Look for real, genuine friends (not internet “friends”). Look for a meaningful, long term relationship, not just getting off. If you’re unemployed, get a job. Stop watching porn. None of this is new to you because you’ve talked about stuff like this in this thread before, but you have to stop talking about it and start acting. Nobody’s going to pull you out of your misery but yourself. It’s way easier said than done, but you will do it eventually. Your attitude that you can’t go on much longer like this is correct. Your suicidal ideation is not because you want to die, but because you don’t want to continue living the way you are. Every day you indulge in the behaviors that make you miserable achieves nothing but delaying your rehabilitation by a day.

My sexual fetishes and sex drive are becoming a damned serious problem.

And for the love of God, stop posting shit like this on a public forum and just fix it.

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#1530627
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George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist...
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I think it was a pretty interesting contribution G&G Fan. I’ve never read the original draft of Star Wars to be honest, so it was new information to me that one of the characters Darth Vader was based on was the father of one of the characters Luke Skywalker was based on. It shows that George Lucas clearly wasn’t just pulling him being Luke’s father out of his ass, even if that’s not what the intention was in 1977. With how pervasive the narrative that he just come up with this idea out of nowhere, and it didn’t exist at all to influence his decision-making before the later drafts of The Empire Strikes Back, it’s interesting to see this point of information.

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#1520030
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How would you restructure Anakin's turn to the dark side in the Prequels?
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I’d embrace the idea of the Jedi being kind of a cult. The Jedi, on their quest to defend peace and justice in the galaxy, have tried to systematize good and evil to help them understand what their quest even is. I like the idea of the Jedi thinking Yoda was the Chosen One, so maybe he, or some other legendary Jedi who deserves that level of respect, would have defeated the Sith, established the current Republic and a new Jedi order, and came up with a perfect moral code which always illuminates the greater good. In the 800 or so years since this, the Jedi have set out on perfecting both themselves and the galaxy.

The cult-like behavior comes from their sheer commitment to the greater good. The Order is socially engineered so all of its members always prioritize the greater good. They train Jedi from birth so they never meet their family and prioritize them over the greater good of the galaxy. They don’t allow Jedi to fall in love or even have friends because the galaxy’s history books are full of Jedi who turned to the dark side for their friends. It’s dehumanizing, but the Jedi justify it because the Force gives you an immense amount of power, and if you can’t give up your own humanity for the greater good, you don’t deserve that power. Anakin, the one who wasn’t brainwashed from birth, who will fall in love and have a child, is going to be the one who ultimately destroys the Jedi Order and hands the galaxy over to Palpatine.

The Jedi are still flawed though, and if I were to actually write this I’d like to frame it to make the argument that the greater good itself is not for the greater good. The Jedi and the Republic tolerate slavery because the effort to end it would cost many times more lives than it would liberate, and (temporarily) tolerating some evils is for the greater good. But you can’t exactly tell a slave that their slavery is a good thing, and if it turned out that the Chosen One is a former slave, you’re going to make a natural enemy of him by continuing to tolerate slavery, even if he recognizes ending slavery would let out more evils than it would abolish.

Anakin’s fall to the dark side has more to do with the Jedi’s failings than his own inclination toward evil. Anakin’s respect for all the good the galaxy’s done at first puts him on their side. But as it becomes more clear to him how much evil they tolerate, he becomes disillusioned with them. When it becomes clear that he’s the Chosen One, not Yoda/whoever, and their arcane rules prioritize the greater good over him fulfilling his destiny by ending the war and defeating the Sith, he becomes radicalized against them. He embraces fear because it’s a natural reaction to danger, anger because it’s a natural reaction to injustice, and hate because it’s a natural reaction to evil. He turns to Palpatine and the Sith, not because they were the real good guys, but because in a galaxy where moral thinking is so completely dominated by the dishonest, delusional, and ineffective Jedi, the only option he really has to turn to is the Sith, who definitely do not give a damn about the greater good, but don’t force him to tolerate slavery and don’t stop Anakin from ending the war destroying galactic civilization itself. With the Sith and the Empire, the galaxy is his to shape according to his will, but radicalized against the extreme selflessness and peacefulness of the Jedi, he becomes a brutish tyrant whose will becomes just as much of an evil as what he once fought against.

I’d like to reconstruct this in the ST. If the PT Jedi’s failings were that they prioritized the greater good over the individual good, and there’s this idea that in the ST that the Force is to become decentralized, maybe Luke and/or Rey teach the galaxy to defend their own personal good. The galaxy shouldn’t have one group of people defending peace and justice, but everyone should be defending peace and justice in their own lives. The Republic, too, would have to go, because there’s no way to enforce one singular greater good over trillions or quadrillions of people in the galaxy. Someone’s always going to get fucked over for the greater good, and some people more often than others. The political status quo after Episode 9 would be a network of small, local Republics which keep order and peace on a small scale. This is bittersweet, because without the institutions that keep galactic civilization together, civilization can not exist on a galactic scale. But that scale of civilization led to the tyrannies of the Republic and the Empire, and the hell that the Clone Wars and the Empire were weren’t worth the luxury of galactic civilization.