SparkySywer

Mocata said:

People still argued about it at the time though. Not sure what the expected, as if Palpatine was going to be his brother or something.

A lot of people at the time expected the man who brought us Vader being Luke’s father to have something up his sleeve. Maybe Palpatine was a puppet controlled by some higher evil? Clones?

But it was played absolutely straight.

ShamanWhill said:

Fourthly, I think we need to have a more political plot line in the movie. Why is the Emperor building another Death Star? In Episode IV, Tarkin reveals that the Original Death Star was to be used to keep the Regional Governors in line with the Empire. So since the rebels destroyed the first one, are the Regional Governors not following the Emperors will? Just throwing a couple of lines that explains the state of the Galaxy would help tremendously.

It was actually there to keep the locals in line with the Regional Governors, but your sentiment is right.

NeverarGreat said:

Minutes before this he was self-assuredly walking into the Senate saying how Palpatine’s rule was about to end and his faith in Vader and the Dark Side was misplaced. These words may be bluster, but at the same time they don’t reveal a deep conflict within Yoda. He seems to only question himself once he loses the fight, at which point he has decided to run off into exile before the speeder has even left the air parking lot. Maybe if we saw him gazing out at the still-burning Jedi Temple, the virtual camera lingering on the sadness in his eyes as he comes to a conclusion, it would be clearer that he views his failure as something more than losing a single fight. But that’s not in the film, and I don’t see why I should do Lucas’s job for him.

What changed between when Yoda’s talking big to Palpatine and when he says “Failed, I have”?

Nothing to do with the Jedi or the Republic, or the Sith or the Empire. What changed is he lost a fight. That’s kind of what we have to go on, and that’s really the only real interpretation I think you can get from the movie itself.

Not to mention, why does he realize he’s failed then of all times, if he’s talking about some grand centuries-long, galaxy-defining failure? I’d say even before the fight, even if Yoda won, Palpatine getting as far as he did shows that something at least had failed. If this was all actually in the prequels, why wouldn’t he say this right when it became obvious that Palpatine was a Sith?

DuracellEnergizer said:

SparkySywer said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wexter said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The PT & ST reflect each other perfectly — equally terrible in diametrically polar ways.

Is this really an unpopular opinion? Thought it was cannon…

From what I’ve seen, most fans love one trilogy, loathe the other, or enjoy both. Fans who dislike both trilogies seem to be in the minority.

I don’t think fans who dislike both trilogies are so rare, moreso that they end up picking one side or the other on the internet.

Yeah

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wexter said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The PT & ST reflect each other perfectly — equally terrible in diametrically polar ways.

Is this really an unpopular opinion? Thought it was cannon…

From what I’ve seen, most fans love one trilogy, loathe the other, or enjoy both. Fans who dislike both trilogies seem to be in the minority.

I don’t think fans who dislike both trilogies are so rare, moreso that they end up picking one side or the other on the internet.

Owned?

Z6PO said:

sade1212 said:

how fascism can come about.

You don’t need a decade long overly complicated secret plan to stage a coup (just look at the state of the world today). The PT (and The Clone Wars animated TV show) fail completely to be relevant as understanding politics (especially the TV show aimed at children: the more political arcs are dreadfully boring)

Gotta agree, Palpatine’s rise to power is completely inaccurate to how actual dictators rise to power. George Lucas compares Palpatine to Caesar, Hitler, and Napoleon, and none of their rises to power have any similarities to Palpatine other than that they gamed the system from the inside.

Caesar, Hitler, and Napoleon were natural consequences of centuries of building rot in the nations they took power in. What was this in the Galactic Republic?

For all the movies are concerned, Palpatine comes out of nowhere for no reason and wins because something something manipulation.

(not my video but this would probably take the cake for the worst edit idea)

DuracellEnergizer said:

Spuffure said:

I wonder how much longer I’ll last here… without completely fucking volcano.

By all means, fuck a volcano. Not a paraphilia I go for, but you do you. Just make certain it’s a dormant volcano you make passionate love to. There’s hot sex, and then there’s hot sex.

Me after burning my dick off after fucking a volcano

WitchDR said:

I’m all for continuity with the PT and OT.

I don’t know why they decided to edit the OT to fit with the PT, instead of writing a prequel trilogy that fits in with the OT.

Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is alright. It’s the worst of the four, but it’s not that bad.

Mocata said:

His entire class of pupils are murdered and he doesn’t really seem that shocked. He just heads over to Palpy for a few extra force power moves before quitting. He might has well have said “failed to do enough flips to beat him I have”.

100%. “Failed I have”, in the context of the movie, is not some grander statement on his role in the Jedi, he’s literally just talking about how he lost the dance-off with Ian McDiarmid.

This interpretation of Yoda’s character arc, it’s cool and all, but it’s not at all present in the prequels.

Here are some of the very, very broad strokes of galactic history. It’s very sparse, so think of this more as a bunch of eras for writing more specific stories in rather than actual galactic history. Not to mention, there’s plenty of gaps.

~100,000 BBY - The First Beings leave their home planet, the identity of which is lost to time. They begin to colonize the galaxy through conventional space travel. Because conventional space travel is so slow, each star system is basically entirely isolated, and so the First Beings evolve into the many millions of beings of the galaxy.

~30,000 BBY - Very early Force users learn to create portals between star systems. Most star systems are not accessible through portals, and the ones that are only link to a small handful of other star systems, but this is enough to create a few galaxy-spanning portal webs, allowing for the first galaxy-spanning Empires and the beginning of Galactic Civilization. Early rulers of these galaxy-spanning Empires are despotic Kings trained in the Dark Side of the Force.

~25,000 BBY - Slave Rebellions in one of the web Empires, assisted by the first Jedi, begin winning victories. Eventually they take full control, founding the Galactic Republic. It’ll exist in many different forms, but won’t fall for over a thousand generations. The Jedi Oath is written.

~4,000 BBY - Hyperspace travel is invented, opening up the entire galaxy to civilization. This embroils the Republic in two conflicts: One with the Mandalorians, who had their own web Empire, and one with a new group called the Sith, a xenophobic group of Dark Side Force Users who want to eradicate the galaxy of the alien species newly introduced to galactic civilization. The Republic ends up defeating the two of them, casting them to hide in the dark shadows of the galaxy.

~1,000 BBY - The galaxy experiences centuries of peace and prosperity after rebuilding from some conflict.

100~20 BBY - The galaxy undergoes a cultural revolution, turning away from the spiritual, and toward the material. Tons of new technologies are invented, but also horrifying weapons of war. The Jedi’s numbers dwindle over decades until Darth Vader finally finishes them off, but in this time, the old foe of both the Mandalorians and the Sith return. The Republic finally falls around 30~20 BBY, and the Galactic Empire rises from its ashes.

4 ABY - The Emperor dies. Who knows what happens next?

Because there’s been a bit of a reset, I’m leaving out some of the eras/events that might not be brought back. Unfortunately, the Viral Wars, something I thought was really cool, is probably not gonna stay. Alas.

Knight of Kalee said:

Qui-Gon didn’t actually leave, though. He just treaded the fine line between following the Code and listening to the actual will of the Force.

Oops my bad lol

Well technically he leaves at the end of TPM

G&G-Fan said:

Remember when Yoda said “Wars not make one great” in Empire Strikes Back? He learned that from the Clone Wars.

It’s only through the teachings of Qui-Gon, who became his master after Revenge of the Sith and was basically the perfect Jedi, even if nobody could see it, was Yoda able to grow into the character he is in Empire Strikes Back.

I’d find this a lot more compelling if this was an actual plot thread in the prequels, instead of something people just inferred from a bunch of EU media.

When Yoda says this in Empire, it’s not hard to imagine he’s saying this from firsthand experience. But in the prequels, that’s really not what’s portrayed. Yoda has no character arc where he learns the horrors of war. If it’s true that he learned this through Qui-Gon, you gotta remember that this is entirely off-screen, after the credits roll in Episode 3.

According to the New EU, there’s this weird line of Jedi that all realized the Jedi Order was super bad. Most of them end up leaving, through good or bad circumstances. A lot of the fandom is of the opinion that these guys are super based and the reason they’re the most important Jedi is because they recognized the Jedi were super evil and stuff. Which is really weird if you think about that idea even in the context of the PT, let alone the OT.

Yoda > Dooku > Qui-Gon > Obi-Wan > Anakin > Ahsoka, although maybe Yoda doesn’t count since he doesn’t fit as well. So Dooku > Qui-Gon > Obi-Wan > Anakin > Ahsoka?

The only ones who didn’t leave were Yoda and Obi-Wan, but even Obi-Wan was super critical of the Jedi according to the New EU.

I’m probably not expressing this idea very well

Anakin showing up in TLJ would have overcomplicated everything. You’d have to touch on Anakin and Luke’s obviously rocky and very complicated relationship, and at least address why Anakin is talking to Luke and not Kylo (not a hard question to answer but it’s still one you’d have to address). Using Yoda is simple and straightforward for the purpose of the scene.

I already answered this a few years ago but I change my answer to “So love has blinded you”

thebluefrog said:

OutboundFlight said:

So we have a Death Star 3. Let’s do something interesting with that.

What if instead of just destroying the Hosnian system, Starkiller destroys dozens of planets in one launch? This would explain how the Republic collapsed – they had ships at bases across the galaxy, but Starkiller was able to destroy all of them in a single mass launch.

Starkiller should’ve…literally killed a star. Wiping out all planets in the system.

Kind of strange no one at Disney saw that.

Well, it does. I bet you could probably easily repurpose footage of it killing stars and just… leave it at that. No planet destroying.

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NeverarGreat said:

RogueLeader said:

I’m also pretty sure Nev (perhaps someone else, Ridley?) did an edit where the ground didn’t break between Rey and Kylo, and Rey just ran off on her own accord.

Maybe Digmod? I’m not sure who did that effect.

It was Digmod. This was the fanedit that made me sign up here on OT.com… a few months later when registration reopened.

JakeRyan17 said:

The Last Jedi

• Rey watching Luke’s routine set to “Losing My Religion” by R.E.M.
  https://youtu.be/iOyrJ5EQL2A

A little on the nose, don’t you think?

Ed Slushie said:

Well, that’s why this is the Radical redux ideas thread.

Every time someone talks about how something’s unfeasible in these radical redux threads, I kinda want to point them out to the absolutely batshit insane stuff in the earlier posts on the prequel radical redux thread.