I’m also pretty sure Nev (perhaps someone else, Ridley?) did an edit where the ground didn’t break between Rey and Kylo, and Rey just ran off on her own accord.
Maybe Digmod? I’m not sure who did that effect.
It was Digmod. This was the fanedit that made me sign up here on OT.com… a few months later when registration reopened.
The Last Jedi
- Rey watching Luke’s routine set to “Losing My Religion” by R.E.M.
https://youtu.be/iOyrJ5EQL2A
A little on the nose, don’t you think?
Well, that’s why this is the Radical redux ideas thread.
Every time someone talks about how something’s unfeasible in these radical redux threads, I kinda want to point them out to the absolutely batshit insane stuff in the earlier posts on the prequel radical redux thread.
Just in case anyone wants to believe anything written in those Archive books:
When the Jabba scene was cut, the Greedo scene did not make sense. It was shown with Greedo speaking an alien language without subtitles in 1977, so it looked like Han just shot in cold blood. Subtitles were added for the 1983 VHS release to clarify Greedo intended to kill Han.
Seems like that tweet is gone.
It really bothers me that they didn’t bother to, like, set them aside. Or make the story of the park canon, but the actual park itself isn’t.
But nope, the park, the whole park, all of it’s canon. That includes the sodas, and other dumb stuff like that.
Not sure which of the prequels is the best/least-bad. RotS is the easiest to swallow, but TPM has the actual story. And as for AotC, well, it’s cringier than TPM and only barely has more of a story than RotS, but it has some cool action scenes and the Obi-Wan part of the movie is kind of cool.
I’d argue that RotS is just as “cringe” as the other two, but hides it well behind slightly more competent direction and more lively acting.
Yeah, I’d agree. I’d say it’s more that all three prequels have the same amount of cheese, but for TPM and AotC, it rears its head as cringe, but for RotS, it’s camp. Or at least, it’s cringe more often in TPM and AotC, but camp more often in RotS. All three have both.
AOTC actually tries to have a mystery plot, which is a new and interesting direction for a Star Wars movie. Even if it doesn’t ultimately work, it at least tries. In comparison, TPM and ROTS are much more straightforward.
In my opinion RotS felt too fan service focused
Yeah, honestly, Revenge of the Sith doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on outside the forced OT fan service at the end. Had it ended with the characters and the galaxy a little further from the exact same state as they are at the beginning of ANH, like a better Episode 3 might have, it would have had nothing left.
I rewatched Revenge of the Sith the other day for, reasons, but genuinely I think the only way anyone can be so much of a fan of this movie that they call it a masterpiece, like some people do nowadays, is just out of nostalgia, and because of the forced connection to the OT at the end. That’s it.
The movie feels like a bunch of skits barely strung together by any plot, if even. Sometimes shit just happens for no reason. It feels like behind the scenes, they just kinda gave up on trying to write a story and just thought up a few lightsaber fights first and foremost and figured they’d just figure out how to justify them with context as they went, if even, since the lightsaber fights were the only thing people responded well to in the last two movies.
The pacing’s horrible. Every scene goes on forever and ever, every single time I feel like a scene’s over, it keeps going. Like, George, dude, the message was already sent. The point got across. Move on. The editing looks like the kind of shit I would’ve done when I was 14. The movie feels like George Lucas just stopped giving a shit after the last two didn’t do well, finished this movie as a formality because, well, you already signed the actors for one last movie.
Because of this, there’s absolutely no tension. George Lucas couldn’t bring himself to give a shit about this movie, and so I can’t either. Stuff just kinda happens, and then stops happening, scenes just kinda move on. Everyone’s super monotone the whole time, and so it’s a hard sell that this is a galaxy defining catastrophe.
This is why parodies of the prequels, or even stuff like the Lego Holiday Special are a hundred times better than the prequels themselves, even just following the story, not even as parodies. The people parodying the prequels give a shit, so the characters give a shit, so I give a shit.
This movie never really does anything praiseworthy, the best it ever really gets is not incompetent. Like, prequel fans gush over the political message, but that’s like, the bare minimum for a movie about how the Republic fell and the Empire was born. It’s not even a very interesting political message. Democracies can turn into dictatorships through their own mechanisms? Wow, I learned that when I was in sixth grade history class when I was eleven. Not exactly the political thriller of the century.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I wanted to share the thoughts I was having the other day with the world. This probably isn’t well organized at all though, so who knows how well it’ll convey them.
I’m happy with Endor in green.
I suppose that’s why Ed Slushie ended up making the video instead of you.
I tried doing a 3-in-1 of the OT, it doesn’t work. The OT simply doesn’t have the sheer amount of filler that the PT does.
The framerate on the file I have is 29 FPS (not 29.97, 29, weird framerate but okay), but it looks like they’re just duplicating every 5 or so frames. Easy fix.
I think that was Disney’s plans when they bought out Lucasfilm. Get a sequel trilogy out of the way because that’s what everyone expects from them, and then start a Star Wars cinematic universe. I think Rogue One was a test run, and then Solo was the real beginning of the SWCU, or maybe they were going to start the real SWCU with, or after, the third cancelled spinoff movie.
But then all three sequel trilogy movies outperformed both spinoff movies, and one of the spinoffs downright bombed. Most of the spinoff movies they announced back in 2017 have either been cancelled or they’ve been dead silent on. If there ever was plans for a Star Wars cinematic universe, they’re gone now.
The sequel trilogy was definitely not their main focus, though, and a cinematic universe was definitely at least on their minds given how everyone and their dog was starting one in the early 2010s.
Coke and Sprite are canon in the New EU
I really don’t like the A New Hope title, but I kinda bring myself to calling it that because calling it “Star Wars” can be confusing.
Jedi Rocks is absolutely horrific. Whenever I watch ROTJ I mute my television out of embarrassment when Rocks comes on.
> not watching the theatrical cuts
Legends Sith Lords also make the most of the “cool evil name” trend: Sadow, Darth Ruin, Tenebrous, Nihilus, Phobos, Vengean, Desolous, etc.
You forgot the best one: Darth Millenial.
You know, to be fair, they named this one before the word Millennial got associated with the generation.
In TLJ, there’s a scene where they reuse an OT soundtrack for a little bit. Not a motif, not a phrase, an entire track. I bet that this was a test run, and that we’d be seeing a lot more of that in the future.
In Solo, there’s an entire scene whose entire purpose seems to just be reusing OT soundtracks. Then in TRoS, the entire movie reuses OT and PT soundtracks the whole time.
I didn’t mean to say all movies are equal, just that people are more forgiving of flaws in the movies they like, for whatever reason, but more critical of similar flaws in another they may not be a fan of, for whatever reason.
Hot take, the memes aren’t funny.
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RotS the worst and most soulless of the three prequels
TPM and RotS are opposites: TPM is super cringe, but at least has a decent story. RotS isn’t (that) cringe, but its story is barely even there.
Not sure which of the prequels is the best/least-bad. RotS is the easiest to swallow, but TPM has the actual story. And as for AotC, well, it’s cringier than TPM and only barely has more of a story than RotS, but it has some cool action scenes and the Obi-Wan part of the movie is kind of cool.
The Force Awakens wasn’t super radical, but it didn’t have to be. Their goal was to prove that one, post-buyout Lucasfilm was capable of making movies, and two, that the prequels didn’t kill Star Wars. It was a safer movie to bring people on board to future movies. It looks like it did its job, because most of the criticism made against it is done in retrospect.
The Last Jedi was the radical one, and that was a good thing. Episodes 8 and 9 were the ones that had to pick up the slack story-wise for the sequel trilogy, and the Last Jedi did its part. I really liked its story. It can be a little bit of a “good story, weird execution”, though. The bathos goes way too far in some places. But overall, its story is good.
I think though inevitably because TLJ tried to take Star Wars in a new direction, that was going to turn some people off. Not because they want Star Wars to stagnate, but because when you go in a new direction, that new direction might not be the direction they were wanting it to go in. And you kinda have to respect that.
It’s hard to take some criticisms against TLJ, like how it’s a complete cinematic catastrophe, or how the plot makes zero sense, or that Rian Johnson’s a hack, seriously at all. Because it’s not a catastrophe, the plot’s fine, and you KNOW Rian Johnson’s not a hack.
The Rise of Skywalker I don’t think picked up the slack at all. I think it reacted too hard to criticisms made against TLJ, and it ended up suffering for it. Bringing Palpatine back was dumb and Rey Palpatine was dumb. The plot of the movie is super uninteresting, and the characters have really lost any and all uniqueness they had in the former two sequels, except maybe Kylo Ren.
I think there’s a lot of people who were on board for the first two sequels, but TRoS kind of ruined the trilogy as a whole. That’s fine. But personally I just kind of put a wall between TLJ and TRoS. It’s the sequel duology and the weird bad one that came out afterwards in my mind.
The first two sequels do a lot of work in bringing back the fundamental things that make Star Wars Star Wars that the prequel trilogy threw away, and if they didn’t, I’d probably just consider myself an OT fan instead of a Star Wars fan. They don’t go so far as to outright contradict the prequel trilogy, because Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy are big fans of the prequels, but they fix some of the damage the prequels did.
Snooker please come back
Do you think you could upload a sample?
Except, again looking at Star Wars/A New Hope, they mention an Old Republic. What happened to that Old Republic? Why is there a senate to be dissolved if this Republic has been gone for so long? Is the Empire new? How’s it gain so much power so quickly?
Snoke doesn’t undo anything of the original trilogy. Palpatine not being defeated does, but a new threat coming from the Unknown Regions does not.
It’s not any more or less established in universe, your need for every answer coming from a 30 year gap is not the same as a flaw in storytelling.
Imagine in Episode V’s crawl opened with the New Republic many years after the defeat of the Empire. It wouldn’t make any sense and would make ANH feel pointless in retrospect.
I mean… Until a sequel was announced, most people just kind of assumed that the Death Star getting destroyed meant the Empire was gone too. They put all their eggs in one basket, banking on this Death Star thing so hard they dissolved the Senate that was so critical to their control of the galaxy, and it all fell apart.
If Star Wars 2 had such a wildly different setting I don’t think it would have worked, but not because the setting doesn’t make sense.
A few years back, there was an “Erasing the Prequels Entirely” thread, where I made something like that by masking out the Episode Numbers.
The people in the thread thought it would be a better idea to have no episode title in the crawl at all, and to change the logos. I agree that would be a better idea, but doing that with Blender or something like it kind of always makes it look out of place. At least in my opinion.
Maybe I’m just not an audiophile, but I don’t think I could tell the difference in quality.
I don’t plan on continuing to update this project. It took way longer than I thought to do, and at a certain point it kind of outlived the novelty it had after Endgame came out. If you want to take over and have me to give you everything I had made for it, I will, but I don’t think it’ll be super impressive.
As for the inconsistencies, yeah, the MCU is held together by a thread. I just kinda made calls for whatever I thought was right when there was a contradiction, which happened a lot especially with Phase One stuff. That’s what I recommend you do as well.
Writing should focus on story and character first, I don’t even know if I’d put filling out Wookieepedia pages as secondary…
That’s really what it comes down to, isn’t it? The fandom’s obsession with lore for lore’s sake.
Lore is only interesting or cool or valuable in service of a story. Neutering Snoke just for the sake of some technical backstory is a horrible idea.
