SparkySywer

Mocata said:

His entire class of pupils are murdered and he doesn’t really seem that shocked. He just heads over to Palpy for a few extra force power moves before quitting. He might has well have said “failed to do enough flips to beat him I have”.

100%. “Failed I have”, in the context of the movie, is not some grander statement on his role in the Jedi, he’s literally just talking about how he lost the dance-off with Ian McDiarmid.

This interpretation of Yoda’s character arc, it’s cool and all, but it’s not at all present in the prequels.

Here are some of the very, very broad strokes of galactic history. It’s very sparse, so think of this more as a bunch of eras for writing more specific stories in rather than actual galactic history. Not to mention, there’s plenty of gaps.

~100,000 BBY - The First Beings leave their home planet, the identity of which is lost to time. They begin to colonize the galaxy through conventional space travel. Because conventional space travel is so slow, each star system is basically entirely isolated, and so the First Beings evolve into the many millions of beings of the galaxy.

~30,000 BBY - Very early Force users learn to create portals between star systems. Most star systems are not accessible through portals, and the ones that are only link to a small handful of other star systems, but this is enough to create a few galaxy-spanning portal webs, allowing for the first galaxy-spanning Empires and the beginning of Galactic Civilization. Early rulers of these galaxy-spanning Empires are despotic Kings trained in the Dark Side of the Force.

~25,000 BBY - Slave Rebellions in one of the web Empires, assisted by the first Jedi, begin winning victories. Eventually they take full control, founding the Galactic Republic. It’ll exist in many different forms, but won’t fall for over a thousand generations. The Jedi Oath is written.

~4,000 BBY - Hyperspace travel is invented, opening up the entire galaxy to civilization. This embroils the Republic in two conflicts: One with the Mandalorians, who had their own web Empire, and one with a new group called the Sith, a xenophobic group of Dark Side Force Users who want to eradicate the galaxy of the alien species newly introduced to galactic civilization. The Republic ends up defeating the two of them, casting them to hide in the dark shadows of the galaxy.

~1,000 BBY - The galaxy experiences centuries of peace and prosperity after rebuilding from some conflict.

100~20 BBY - The galaxy undergoes a cultural revolution, turning away from the spiritual, and toward the material. Tons of new technologies are invented, but also horrifying weapons of war. The Jedi’s numbers dwindle over decades until Darth Vader finally finishes them off, but in this time, the old foe of both the Mandalorians and the Sith return. The Republic finally falls around 30~20 BBY, and the Galactic Empire rises from its ashes.

4 ABY - The Emperor dies. Who knows what happens next?

Because there’s been a bit of a reset, I’m leaving out some of the eras/events that might not be brought back. Unfortunately, the Viral Wars, something I thought was really cool, is probably not gonna stay. Alas.

Knight of Kalee said:

Qui-Gon didn’t actually leave, though. He just treaded the fine line between following the Code and listening to the actual will of the Force.

Oops my bad lol

Well technically he leaves at the end of TPM

G&G-Fan said:

Remember when Yoda said “Wars not make one great” in Empire Strikes Back? He learned that from the Clone Wars.

It’s only through the teachings of Qui-Gon, who became his master after Revenge of the Sith and was basically the perfect Jedi, even if nobody could see it, was Yoda able to grow into the character he is in Empire Strikes Back.

I’d find this a lot more compelling if this was an actual plot thread in the prequels, instead of something people just inferred from a bunch of EU media.

When Yoda says this in Empire, it’s not hard to imagine he’s saying this from firsthand experience. But in the prequels, that’s really not what’s portrayed. Yoda has no character arc where he learns the horrors of war. If it’s true that he learned this through Qui-Gon, you gotta remember that this is entirely off-screen, after the credits roll in Episode 3.

According to the New EU, there’s this weird line of Jedi that all realized the Jedi Order was super bad. Most of them end up leaving, through good or bad circumstances. A lot of the fandom is of the opinion that these guys are super based and the reason they’re the most important Jedi is because they recognized the Jedi were super evil and stuff. Which is really weird if you think about that idea even in the context of the PT, let alone the OT.

Yoda > Dooku > Qui-Gon > Obi-Wan > Anakin > Ahsoka, although maybe Yoda doesn’t count since he doesn’t fit as well. So Dooku > Qui-Gon > Obi-Wan > Anakin > Ahsoka?

The only ones who didn’t leave were Yoda and Obi-Wan, but even Obi-Wan was super critical of the Jedi according to the New EU.

I’m probably not expressing this idea very well

Anakin showing up in TLJ would have overcomplicated everything. You’d have to touch on Anakin and Luke’s obviously rocky and very complicated relationship, and at least address why Anakin is talking to Luke and not Kylo (not a hard question to answer but it’s still one you’d have to address). Using Yoda is simple and straightforward for the purpose of the scene.

I already answered this a few years ago but I change my answer to “So love has blinded you”

thebluefrog said:

OutboundFlight said:

So we have a Death Star 3. Let’s do something interesting with that.

What if instead of just destroying the Hosnian system, Starkiller destroys dozens of planets in one launch? This would explain how the Republic collapsed – they had ships at bases across the galaxy, but Starkiller was able to destroy all of them in a single mass launch.

Starkiller should’ve…literally killed a star. Wiping out all planets in the system.

Kind of strange no one at Disney saw that.

Well, it does. I bet you could probably easily repurpose footage of it killing stars and just… leave it at that. No planet destroying.

Double basement

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NeverarGreat said:

RogueLeader said:

I’m also pretty sure Nev (perhaps someone else, Ridley?) did an edit where the ground didn’t break between Rey and Kylo, and Rey just ran off on her own accord.

Maybe Digmod? I’m not sure who did that effect.

It was Digmod. This was the fanedit that made me sign up here on OT.com… a few months later when registration reopened.

JakeRyan17 said:

The Last Jedi

• Rey watching Luke’s routine set to “Losing My Religion” by R.E.M.
  https://youtu.be/iOyrJ5EQL2A

A little on the nose, don’t you think?

Ed Slushie said:

Well, that’s why this is the Radical redux ideas thread.

Every time someone talks about how something’s unfeasible in these radical redux threads, I kinda want to point them out to the absolutely batshit insane stuff in the earlier posts on the prequel radical redux thread.

doubleofive said:

Just in case anyone wants to believe anything written in those Archive books:

When the Jabba scene was cut, the Greedo scene did not make sense. It was shown with Greedo speaking an alien language without subtitles in 1977, so it looked like Han just shot in cold blood. Subtitles were added for the 1983 VHS release to clarify Greedo intended to kill Han.

https://twitter.com/kershed/status/1330302102296535042?s=21

Seems like that tweet is gone.

It really bothers me that they didn’t bother to, like, set them aside. Or make the story of the park canon, but the actual park itself isn’t.

But nope, the park, the whole park, all of it’s canon. That includes the sodas, and other dumb stuff like that.

zzzonkers said:

SparkySywer said:

Not sure which of the prequels is the best/least-bad. RotS is the easiest to swallow, but TPM has the actual story. And as for AotC, well, it’s cringier than TPM and only barely has more of a story than RotS, but it has some cool action scenes and the Obi-Wan part of the movie is kind of cool.

I’d argue that RotS is just as “cringe” as the other two, but hides it well behind slightly more competent direction and more lively acting.

Yeah, I’d agree. I’d say it’s more that all three prequels have the same amount of cheese, but for TPM and AotC, it rears its head as cringe, but for RotS, it’s camp. Or at least, it’s cringe more often in TPM and AotC, but camp more often in RotS. All three have both.

zzzonkers said:

NeverarGreat said:

AOTC actually tries to have a mystery plot, which is a new and interesting direction for a Star Wars movie. Even if it doesn’t ultimately work, it at least tries. In comparison, TPM and ROTS are much more straightforward.

In my opinion RotS felt too fan service focused

Yeah, honestly, Revenge of the Sith doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on outside the forced OT fan service at the end. Had it ended with the characters and the galaxy a little further from the exact same state as they are at the beginning of ANH, like a better Episode 3 might have, it would have had nothing left.

I rewatched Revenge of the Sith the other day for, reasons, but genuinely I think the only way anyone can be so much of a fan of this movie that they call it a masterpiece, like some people do nowadays, is just out of nostalgia, and because of the forced connection to the OT at the end. That’s it.

The movie feels like a bunch of skits barely strung together by any plot, if even. Sometimes shit just happens for no reason. It feels like behind the scenes, they just kinda gave up on trying to write a story and just thought up a few lightsaber fights first and foremost and figured they’d just figure out how to justify them with context as they went, if even, since the lightsaber fights were the only thing people responded well to in the last two movies.

The pacing’s horrible. Every scene goes on forever and ever, every single time I feel like a scene’s over, it keeps going. Like, George, dude, the message was already sent. The point got across. Move on. The editing looks like the kind of shit I would’ve done when I was 14. The movie feels like George Lucas just stopped giving a shit after the last two didn’t do well, finished this movie as a formality because, well, you already signed the actors for one last movie.

Because of this, there’s absolutely no tension. George Lucas couldn’t bring himself to give a shit about this movie, and so I can’t either. Stuff just kinda happens, and then stops happening, scenes just kinda move on. Everyone’s super monotone the whole time, and so it’s a hard sell that this is a galaxy defining catastrophe.

This is why parodies of the prequels, or even stuff like the Lego Holiday Special are a hundred times better than the prequels themselves, even just following the story, not even as parodies. The people parodying the prequels give a shit, so the characters give a shit, so I give a shit.

This movie never really does anything praiseworthy, the best it ever really gets is not incompetent. Like, prequel fans gush over the political message, but that’s like, the bare minimum for a movie about how the Republic fell and the Empire was born. It’s not even a very interesting political message. Democracies can turn into dictatorships through their own mechanisms? Wow, I learned that when I was in sixth grade history class when I was eleven. Not exactly the political thriller of the century.

Sorry for the wall of text, but I wanted to share the thoughts I was having the other day with the world. This probably isn’t well organized at all though, so who knows how well it’ll convey them.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I’m happy with Endor in green.

I suppose that’s why Ed Slushie ended up making the video instead of you.

I tried doing a 3-in-1 of the OT, it doesn’t work. The OT simply doesn’t have the sheer amount of filler that the PT does.

The framerate on the file I have is 29 FPS (not 29.97, 29, weird framerate but okay), but it looks like they’re just duplicating every 5 or so frames. Easy fix.

I think that was Disney’s plans when they bought out Lucasfilm. Get a sequel trilogy out of the way because that’s what everyone expects from them, and then start a Star Wars cinematic universe. I think Rogue One was a test run, and then Solo was the real beginning of the SWCU, or maybe they were going to start the real SWCU with, or after, the third cancelled spinoff movie.

But then all three sequel trilogy movies outperformed both spinoff movies, and one of the spinoffs downright bombed. Most of the spinoff movies they announced back in 2017 have either been cancelled or they’ve been dead silent on. If there ever was plans for a Star Wars cinematic universe, they’re gone now.

The sequel trilogy was definitely not their main focus, though, and a cinematic universe was definitely at least on their minds given how everyone and their dog was starting one in the early 2010s.

Coke and Sprite are canon in the New EU

I really don’t like the A New Hope title, but I kinda bring myself to calling it that because calling it “Star Wars” can be confusing.

Hoop28 said:

Jedi Rocks is absolutely horrific. Whenever I watch ROTJ I mute my television out of embarrassment when Rocks comes on.

> not watching the theatrical cuts

Anakin Starkiller said:

Legends Sith Lords also make the most of the “cool evil name” trend: Sadow, Darth Ruin, Tenebrous, Nihilus, Phobos, Vengean, Desolous, etc.

You forgot the best one: Darth Millenial.

You know, to be fair, they named this one before the word Millennial got associated with the generation.