Sounds more like he’s a moron who’s bad at interviews and trying to sound profound than someone who has a catastrophic misunderstanding of Star Wars.
The problem is that it pretty neatly falls into the 1960s-1980s “Pushy guy gets the girl even though she repeatedly refuses his advances” trope. I think the hotshot deleted scene is kind of the only thing that can fix it completely, although I suppose it could be downplayed.
Not a fan of the SEs or this change, but the usual reason given in favor of it is that Vader’s hiding information from Palpatine. He doesn’t want Palpatine to know that he already knows Luke is his son.
It raises a few more questions, though. Like, why would Palpatine care if Vader already heard about it? Or, why is the movie bringing this up when it’s never really relevant again? Plus, I don’t think that’s actually what Lucas had in mind when making the change.
But that explanation isn’t so horrible, and while I much prefer the original, it’s good enough for me. What bothers me more about the scene is Palpatine’s RotS makeup.
I wouldn’t call SE fans insane, though.
That explanation doesn’t really fly for me, since it takes a spectacular amount of obtuseness for Vader to not at least suspect that the Force-sensitive teenager who blew up the Death Star named Skywalker is his kid. Acting dumb just makes him look like a buffoon in front of the Emperor. Besides, since Vader is openly calling this kid ‘Skywalker’ from the beginning in an obsessive hunt, there’s no reason that the Emperor wouldn’t know his reasons for searching. Hell, I’m sure the paperwork on the probe droid operation would have been labeled ‘The Search for Skywalker - Probable Child of the Famous Jedi of the Same Name’.
Also, the idea that Vader would have some ill-will towards Palpatine for calling Padme’s death a few hours early seems like a stretch. It’s technically true that Anakin and his anger killed her, even if the details aren’t exactly as it seemed in ROTS. The fact is that Padme eventually died at Anakin’s hand and a child exists, something that isn’t impossible so Vader’s astonishment, feigned or not, is silly.
Yeah, I absolutely agree with everything here, plus these reasons probably weren’t even in mind while making the change. He probably thought “Wait, I made Anakin think Padme was dead in RotS” and made the change without putting any thought into the context whatsoever.
As far as ad hoc explanations go, though, I’ve seen far worse.
If they had to make the change should have matched the Jedi makeup, used the original line reading and had Ian McDiarmid use the same inflection. Just so you know this is a 2004 change the original Emperor is in the 1997 version of the Special Edition. Just like Jason Wingreen is also Boba Fett not Temuera Morrison in the 97 edit of Empire.
IIRC they just pulled Ian aside one day on-set for RotS. That’s why the makeup doesn’t match.
What’s really depressing with the later releases of the OT is how little effort they put in after the 2000s.
Hey, man… the Book of Henry was awful, but DotF was still better than TRoS.
It would have worked if Anakin was in his twenties in episode I and by the end of the trilogy he was in his forties. But that would have made Padme older by extension.
Maybe Anakin and Padme were each others’ second marriage and Luke and Leia were the kids remarried couples seem to have so often in their late 40s.
You could then retroactively add some fanservice and make another OT character a Skywalker.
Boba Fett is Luke’s brother?
I imagine the thought process when casting Shaw was “Dads are old, cast an old guy.” And that’s honestly the impression I get from Shaw Anakin, too. If you think about the actors’ ages, Shaw was way too old to play Luke’s dad. But in the final movie, he just gives me the vibe of the father of an adult son. So it never bothered me.
Maybe you could explain it away with how the dark side had been rotting him away for more than half his life.
Not a fan of the SEs or this change, but the usual reason given in favor of it is that Vader’s hiding information from Palpatine. He doesn’t want Palpatine to know that he already knows Luke is his son.
It raises a few more questions, though. Like, why would Palpatine care if Vader already heard about it? Or, why is the movie bringing this up when it’s never really relevant again? Plus, I don’t think that’s actually what Lucas had in mind when making the change.
But that explanation isn’t so horrible, and while I much prefer the original, it’s good enough for me. What bothers me more about the scene is Palpatine’s RotS makeup.
I wouldn’t call SE fans insane, though.
It is when you remember that the reason Luke’s lightsaber was changed to green for ROTJ was because the lightsaber’s blue color blended with the sky too much, making it hard to see.
Just recolor the sky, silly.
A great fix to our problem
That’s much more manageable in a modern fanedit than with 80s SFX methods.
Hey, that’s not that bad of an edit.
The firing of Colin Trevorrow caused the capitol riots
If the Coruscant Riots were included in Episode 9, the Trump supporters would have been embarrassed to play it out and wouldn’t have done it
Have a voiceover like in Who Killed Captain Alex
I don’t know, guys, there’s something that really hit the spot with Yoda lifting up the X-Wing in TRoS. It so completely and fully undermines Luke’s character, all these years later he still hasn’t progressed in his arc enough to lift the X-Wing.
I can imagine someone unironically defending the ghost colors one, though. That was pretty bad. This thread’s on a roll lately. No offense to Ed, though.
Hal I think you’ve come pretty close to the very Worst Edit Idea
How about when Rey defeats Palpatine you suddenly see Anakin’s face deepfaked on top of hers.
That sounds like a Frink edit therefore it’s good, wrong thread
Hal I think you’ve come pretty close to the very Worst Edit Idea
Skywalker? Well, you won’t be needing this, then.
I mean that the ending of ESB is more pointedly existential than AOTC and it retains its focus on the core drama.
Man, just like RogueLeader said, it’s funny seeing an actually really interesting idea like this in the Worst Edit thread. Never thought of it like this, and it explains a lot.
I’m the tallest person at my work. There’s not a whole lot of people there so it’s not an accomplishment or anything, but it’s funny, because I’m only very slightly above average. I just work with a lot of short people for some reason.
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I really want to make a Blackened Mantle style ST edit because I have more defined ideas for how that might play out than a PT edit in that style. Is the Japanese voice acting any good for the ST? Because that was a big factor in Blackened Mantle’s creation, originally.
This might be a dumb idea but would it be possible to just lift the scene of Rey watching the ship liftoff in the TFA trailer/TFA and use that as Rey’s parents leaving? That way, you can have two different ships for Ochi and Reyrents.
That’s not a dumb idea and it would probably be the best option, unless you go with SherlockPotter’s suggestion or if you want to bank on Dom’s idea. I think some people might be reluctant to change TFA for TRoS’s sake, though.
I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t been banned yet.
He has been banned actually lol
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Even if they look different (not sure what the difference is) they’re too similar as is if you want them to be different ships. More drastic changes would probably be needed.
Looks good! I wonder if someone could add in Anakin’s eye scar to that scene?