SparkySywer

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

This might be a dumb idea but would it be possible to just lift the scene of Rey watching the ship liftoff in the TFA trailer/TFA and use that as Rey’s parents leaving? That way, you can have two different ships for Ochi and Reyrents.

That’s not a dumb idea and it would probably be the best option, unless you go with SherlockPotter’s suggestion or if you want to bank on Dom’s idea. I think some people might be reluctant to change TFA for TRoS’s sake, though.

DZ-330 said:

I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t been banned yet.

He has been banned actually lol

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Even if they look different (not sure what the difference is) they’re too similar as is if you want them to be different ships. More drastic changes would probably be needed.

Looks good! I wonder if someone could add in Anakin’s eye scar to that scene?

Servii said:

Okay, I have a confession to make. I’ve watched Nerdonymous’ other videos, but I hadn’t actually gotten around to finishing this one yet. From what you’re describing, Sparky, I have to agree that it sounds pretty bad. It sounds more like he’s just lashing out against the anti-George Lucas sentiment rather than actually offering a coherent counterpoint to the video. I must admit I’m disappointed in this guy.

My apologies then for including your name in my comment

G&G-Fan said:

When did he bash fan preservations?

1 hour 48 minutes 49 seconds is when Nerdonymous starts talking about it, maybe start a few seconds earlier for context.

Edit: To make it more clear, he responds to a part of RocketJump’s video talking about fan preservations, specifically showing a clip from Harmy’s making of video, and compares it to “George Lucas raped my childhood” bullshit from the time.

Rodney-2187 said:

Without George Lucas, there would be no Star Wars. Period.

This is also an important mentality to have. Because while Lucas’s revisionism is BS and harmful, and while Nerdonymous’s video is incorrect in asserting RJ’s video was an attempt at discrediting George Lucas, there are people who do want to discredit George Lucas, and that’s wrong too.

Plus, there’s a quote by exurb1a I think is relevant for people who don’t like the prequels. Paraphrasing it because I can’t be bothered looking it up: “The key to happiness is recognizing that the prequels were awful, but thanking George Lucas for the Original Trilogy anyway.”

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I’ve personally never heard of Rick Worley before.

Length and quality do not correlate at all. There are tons of really long video essays which make really strong arguments and are paced well enough that they don’t feel like their runtime, but there’s also tons of video essays which use their incredible length to hide their lack of depth. There’s thoroughness, and then there’s listing off a bunch of points that never build into any sort of argument.

There’s a lot of pro-PT pro-Lucas content (“content”) on Youtube that fits the second category. That’s probably what Mocata is getting at and that’s what I was getting at earlier. Don’t know if this video fits that trend, I plan on watching it in an hour or two when I get the chance to, but it’s an undeniable trend.

Long = smart

I haven’t seen the whole video and don’t plan on doing so today, because it’s 4 AM in my time zone and I don’t want to commit myself to staying up past 6 just to watch one video. I probably will tomorrow. I’d also have to watch RocketJump’s original video too, it’s one of those videos that’s always been in my recommendations but I’ve never seen. But the first few minutes give me red flags, mainly the format of the video. It’s incredibly common for the “let the original play, and then pause and make some comment” format to be used downright dishonestly.

As far as I watched (not that far) I didn’t notice anything that seemed (to me) outright dishonest, but it also didn’t put my concerns to rest. For one, the first few minutes complaining about how RocketJump talked about the unfinished state of the early cut shown to Spielberg seems to try and make RocketJump look dishonest by intentionally missing the point of the segment in their video: That being most people in the audience aren’t exactly familiar with movie development and might need more information on what Star Wars was like in this stage. But to be fair to Nerdonymous, it isn’t strictly necessary and Nerdonymous is technically correct. It’s also possible that there’s context I’m missing where this segment is a lot worse than I think, but if that’s the case, Nerdonymous isn’t giving us that context.

I’ll watch this tomorrow with an open mind, because while George Lucas’s revisionism is pretty awful, it’s just as awful that a lot of fans in the late 2000s and early 2010s swung so hard in the other direction. Given that the idea that Star Wars was saved in the edit became common knowledge (or maybe, became incorrectly taken for granted) around that time, I’d rather hear him out and not be part of the problem.

RogueLeader said:

I personally interpreted it as Luke being afraid that he would just make things worse if he were to get back involved.

I feel like I’m being a little flippant to say when you went into a much more deeper place in the rest of your comment, but that’s the text of the movie. There’s not really any other interpretation to be had, unless you want to get into really weird justifications, like, “Everything Luke says in TLJ is a lie, oh and also Kylo’s in on it too for no reason”. Luke is on the island because he thinks that leaving the island would hurt the galaxy.

Either way, the line’s awful and I fully support cutting it. Because, no, JJ, fear wasn’t what kept Luke there. That’s the kind of gross misinterpretation of TLJ you’d find on Reddit.

Servii said:

Mace Windu’s poop is purple.

Instead of using magic to vanish the poop away, they just use the Force to “cast” it as a projectile attack against their enemies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bu8GcLK6vY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXHwIrEpeSQ

Eyepainter said:

Change everything so that the force is really about alcohol. When Obi-Wan says, “Use the force, Luke.” Luke finds a can of beer and guzzles it down. The first shot of Luke on Cloud City will be digitally altered so that Luke is drinking a pint before his confrontation with vader. In Episode II, when Mace Windu and friends arrive on Geonosis, every single jedi turns on their lightsabers and opens their bottles. Add in a line that mentions that Vader’s suit is fueled by alcohol which is why he is strong in the force. Also, redub and/or alter every line said by jedi and sith so that their speech sounds slurred. The list of changes could go on forever.

Mocata said:

SparkySywer said:
it’s something that needs a lot more work from a storytelling perspective

What an understatement.

Intentionally lol

That’s an interesting idea, and the fact that you can pretty seamlessly edit Midichlorians entirely out of the movie is good evidence for that.

NeverarGreat said:

ThisIsCreation said:

Hal 9000 said:

Tatooine causes people to age in dog years.

I agree somewhat with this, but i also look at force users as people who age faster the closer they are to the force and how they harness it.
Obi-wan aged the way he did because of a mixture of stress, the planets conditions & the force within him causing him to age that way.

So you’re saying that without the Force, Yoda would have lived 2,000 years?

Maybe that’s why Grogu is 50 and still acts like a baby, despite Yoda having been training Jedi at 100ish.

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G&G-Fan said:

Mocata said:

The Force and the microbes are separate entities. And yet doing a blood test for them is normal, as if the Force power level is measured in Midochlorian XP. Once again the prequels try something vaguely interesting but muddle it so badly that it never works. Mysticism and biology become blurred making the whole thing reductive and stupid.

Now try and re-write this by saying that they are attracted to a Jedi somehow, maybe that would work. Maybe those who train hardest can absorb more of them and gain mysterious wisdom or something. But claiming that they talk to the Jedi and it never gets mentioned again? Just nonsense.

At the end of the day people like feeling as if they can vicariously live out the adventures of Luke etc. But if you say Luke is only strong with the Force thanks to his high M-cell count because of hereditary traits? Big surprise everyone hates it.

Because the more midichlorians someone has, the better they’re connected to the Force, because midichlorians are the bridge that connects things to the Force.

Also Luke literally says “The Force is strong in my family”. In fact there are multiple lines in Return of the Jedi that talk about how the Skywalker bloodline has a hereditary affinity for the Force (I believe Yoda also says this to Luke), so this isn’t a prequel concept.

It’s possible to read the Force being strong in the Skywalker family being more about how destiny swirls around the Skywalkers, yaddah yaddah yaddah, instead of “The spells we and our dad cast are stronger than other people’s spells because of heredity.”

Even if you don’t buy that, destiny swirling around the Skywalkers is a better explanation for why the Skywalkers have hereditary power than midichlorians, and Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan just being able to feel something along those lines in the Force would’ve been a better way to introduce that in the Phantom Menace.

act on instinct said:

There are dissertations shorter than this, I’m gonna need an abridged version to know what the hell either of you two are saying, it’s like I’m reading Infinite Jest over here!

lol

As for what’s going on in this thread right now instead of a few days ago, Vader committed far worse crimes against the galaxy, but Kylo committed far worse crimes against the audience in TFA alone by killing Han Solo. Plus, Vader’s arc in the OT seems to mostly set him up more and more for redemption, but in TFA and TLJ, Kylo just goes deeper and deeper into the dark side. The only time I really hate Vader is at the end of Empire, most of the OT it’s the Empire you hate, and Vader’s just an agent of the Empire. Kylo is good/humanized more often than Vader is even in RotJ, but he also swings to the rotten through and through end of the spectrum more often than I think Vader did.

I don’t think this necessarily means Kylo can’t be redeemed, but it’s something that needs a lot more work from a storytelling perspective than Darth Vader.

The 1984 Deniece Williams hit “Let’s Hear it for the Boys” was actually a cover of a 1914 British WWI propaganda song used to promote recruitment, which, given the historical context, makes it feel a lot darker.

Mocata said:

Now try and re-write this by saying that they are attracted to a Jedi somehow, maybe that would work. Maybe those who train hardest can absorb more of them and gain mysterious wisdom or something. But claiming that they talk to the Jedi and it never gets mentioned again? Just nonsense.

A lot of people on the internet seem to think that that’s how it was always intended by Lucas, and that’s how midichlorians are in the prequels and also current canon.

Just to say this before someone else says that, that’s not true at all, at least according to Lucas, the prequels, and current canon. Midichlorians are not just innocently attracted to the Force in current canon. Like Mocata says, this would require a rewrite.

You’re sacrificing your life for us, Mark? 🙄 Go complain somewhere else, we’ve all got problems.

CaptainFaraday said:

Eyepainter said:

Replace all footage of Darth Vader with YouTube videos of cute adorable bunny rabbits.

Don’t replace the entire shot; just motion track the YouTube video over the top of the space Vader occupies in frame.

I foresee arguments arising about which moment exactly to start adding the adorable bunny rabbits when editing ROTS.

Start inexplicably putting them over C3PO