SparkySywer

What about alternate realities?

TestingOutTheTest said:

As someone who does like TRoS, I just feel like some changes miss the original executed meaning of specific things/plot points/whatever and/or undermine those.

I wasn’t gonna say this because the thread’s already moved on, but there are a few other people who are mentioning this so…

Dude you really need to chill. It seems like any creative thread that mentions TRoS gets derailed by you trying to argue about the movie.

This isn’t the TRoS Argument thread, if you were looking for that, it’s [here]. Or try any of the number of TRoS opinion posts you yourself have made. None of the threads in the Fanedits section or the Scripts section are TRoS argument threads either, these people are trying to create their own stuff and all you’re doing is telling them they can’t. If you want to give constructive advice or criticism, something to actually improve their project, give them constructive advice. “You’re wrong and bad just for making a TRoS-related project” is not constructive criticism. If you disagree with their project wholesale, don’t open the god damn thread.

It’s no different from the people who hate the sequel trilogy wholesale but bitch about it all day long on the internet, just don’t watch them and move on with your life.

It’s not like these fanedits are going to replace TRoS. If you don’t like the creative choices being made, this fanedit is not for you. Just like how if someone hates the creative choices made in TRoS, that movie is not for them. Don’t watch it.

Not to link to the same thing twice, but it kinda sucks that the first comment on this thread, a script for an alternate Episode 9, is always going to be that. Yes, I know you apologized in that thread, but has your behavior changed, literally at all? No.

Anyway, something that actually contributes to this thread: RL’s puppet show is absolutely amazing. I’m genuinely surprised that fanediting has come so far that something like this is not only feasible, but has been done. Fucking great job, dude.

NeverarGreat said:

I showed the scene to my girlfriend who wasn’t clued-in beforehand, and it took three playthroughs before she figured out what was happening.

So I think we should definitely look at slowing it down a bit, though even if it was unchanged it would still be a dramatic improvement to the film.

TBH, I think it kind of works best as is, being quick. It’s something small that gives more life to the movie and more cohesion to the trilogy, but doesn’t really need to be dwelled on.

imperialscum said:

SparkySywer said:

imperialscum said:

SparkySywer said:

Servii said:

I personally think most of the issues people point to are fairly surface-level stuff that doesn’t really damage the movie as a whole. A second Death Star makes sense in-universe.

Return of the Jedi is a great movie, but I kind of think this is a stretch. The last one didn’t work, why would a second one with essentially no changes work this time? Palpatine gets a surprise attack on the Rebels I guess, but he still dies, they still lose the Sanctuary Moon, and the loss on Endor doomed the Empire.

Just because your expensive military hardware is destroyed in a battle, you do not simply stop making that hardware. When a country lost a capital warship during the World War I or World War II, they did not just say “oh that did not work, let’s stop building new ones” or “oh that did not work, let’s just stick to building small torpedo boats instead”.

If capital warships were incredibly expensive and had a well known, easily exploitable weak point that leads to total, irreparable destruction, they probably might have said that.

Except that the weak point you refer to was not well known (it took Alliance a great effort to find out about it), and it was not easily exploitable (without a pilot with rare force abilities it was impossible to do it, as clearly shown in the film).

By Return of the Jedi, it was well known, and it’s clearly easily exploitable because they easily exploit it the second time.

And besides, who says they did not fix it for the DS2?

The indie arthouse kino filme known as “Return of the Jedi”

The only reason why ships could fly inside it was because it was only 1/4 finished by the time of ROTJ.

In other words, not fixed. Edit: Or, as Yotsuya says, you could view it as them replacing one easily exploitable weakness with another that’s even worse. But if you take Rogue One’s word for it (maybe you do maybe you don’t), they literally did jack to fix the problem.

No matter which way you slice it: The core of the Death Star was too easy to put bombs inside of. Fair mistake, people harp on ANH too much for it. You have to exhaust heat somehow, and it literally took magic powers to take down the First Death Star. But they made it a thousand times easier for the Second. No excuse.

Now going to my analogy, unlike DS in Star Wars, real-life incredibly expensive capital warships (i.e., battleships) did actually have several well known, easily exploitable weak points, i.e., against attacks from relatively inexpensive aircraft or torpedo boats. Yet they were still building them for decades after those weak points were evident.

I’m no military tactician, but I imagine it’s because they aren’t actually easily exploitable. At least, I hope not. Because if they are actually sending capital warships with weaknesses so easily exploitable they get murked before they manage to even do anything (like the DS2 did), military waste is a much, much bigger issue than I thought it was.

I don’t know why the idea of Anakin giving Kylo a talking to caught on so much. It sounds like it would have been a god awful scene, no offense. It must’ve crossed their mind but I also kind of doubt it was something that was ever seriously planned to happen.

Seemed good to me

Print out every frame from the office Inkjet and flash them really fast to save electricity

sade1212 said:

The link SandMTV posted links to a video with a 15 character ID (f2ynu4megZFmo8U), but every YouTube video has an 11 character ID. Conclusion: Sand is from a distant future where they ran out of YouTube IDs and had to add four more digits.

I’m sensing a pattern here

TestingOutTheTest said:

@SparkySywer You didn’t finish the second section on your comment.

There is no second section, the second quote is just the thing I was referring to. I was unclear

Darth_Zounds said:

SandMTV said:

Add the scene of Anakin killing Obi-Wan while he’s about to depart for Utapau.

I wasn’t able to watch that.

Me neither, it was pretty heart wrenching

My friend came up with Yung Paul Rudd today watching something he was in from the 90s

imperialscum said:

SparkySywer said:

Servii said:

I personally think most of the issues people point to are fairly surface-level stuff that doesn’t really damage the movie as a whole. A second Death Star makes sense in-universe.

Return of the Jedi is a great movie, but I kind of think this is a stretch. The last one didn’t work, why would a second one with essentially no changes work this time? Palpatine gets a surprise attack on the Rebels I guess, but he still dies, they still lose the Sanctuary Moon, and the loss on Endor doomed the Empire.

Just because your expensive military hardware is destroyed in a battle, you do not simply stop making that hardware. When a country lost a capital warship during the World War I or World War II, they did not just say “oh that did not work, let’s stop building new ones” or “oh that did not work, let’s just stick to building small torpedo boats instead”.

If capital warships were incredibly expensive and had a well known, easily exploitable weak point that leads to total, irreparable destruction, they probably might have said that.

Yeah

yotsuya said:

SparkySywer said:

act on instinct said:

SparkySywer said:

Either way, if he was manipulating her here, why not go with the Palpatine manipulation right off the bat? Pull the same stuff he says in TRoS instead of waiting a year?

Kylo didn’t know by then, Palpatine told him on Exegol. If anything the question becomes why did Palpatine do the waiting.

So then he isn’t lying to manipulate her.

He was using what he knew to manipulate her. Common dark side tactic. An outright lie can be seen through with the force, but something that is true or believed to be true can be a powerful weapon when it is properly twisted.

If it’s not a lie, why bring it up? The whole argument was that Kylo was not being honest, so Rey being a Nobody doesn’t make sense.

yotsuya said:

The way TLJ is written, the whole “your parents were nobody” was all Kylo trying to turn her. So it being the unvarnished truth doesn’t make a lot of sense.

My friend from high school called himself Lil Cuban Missile Crisis. Technically taken but felt like sharing

act on instinct said:

SparkySywer said:

Either way, if he was manipulating her here, why not go with the Palpatine manipulation right off the bat? Pull the same stuff he says in TRoS instead of waiting a year?

Kylo didn’t know by then, Palpatine told him on Exegol. If anything the question becomes why did Palpatine do the waiting.

So then he isn’t lying to manipulate her.

CaptainFaraday said:

Can we maybe agree on a blanket ban on saying ideas belong in the Worst Edit Ideas thread? I understand that people generally say it as joke, but it’s not a particularly positive or constructive thing for someone to hear when they float an idea.

I agree with Captain Faraday

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The way the scene’s shot and the way Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley give their performances, it makes it clear that he’s just getting her to admit what she already knew was true. He may (may) be manipulating her, but he’s not manipulating the truth.

Either way, if he was manipulating her here, why not go with the Palpatine manipulation right off the bat? Pull the same stuff he says in TRoS instead of waiting a year? What happens when Rey finds out she’s not a nobody? Because that’s definitely going to eventually happen.

The word Sith existed before the prequels, but what they were and what it meant that Vader (and only Vader, not Palpatine) was one of them was undecided. Or hell, while that deleted scene explicitly says Vader is a Sith, that’s something Legends writers tried to go back on (He was a Lord of the Sith, maybe that meant the Sith were a group of people he ruled over, despite not being one of them?)

yotsuya said:

The way TLJ is written, the whole “your parents were nobody” was all Kylo trying to turn her. So it being the unvarnished truth doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Rey’s the one who says it though, not Kylo.

Very cool! I’ll probably read this at work tomorrow.

Servii said:

I personally think most of the issues people point to are fairly surface-level stuff that doesn’t really damage the movie as a whole. A second Death Star makes sense in-universe.

Return of the Jedi is a great movie, but I kind of think this is a stretch. The last one didn’t work, why would a second one with essentially no changes work this time? Palpatine gets a surprise attack on the Rebels I guess, but he still dies, they still lose the Sanctuary Moon, and the loss on Endor doomed the Empire.

5% as in a tenth of the well intentioned people who end up getting it wrong, or 5% as in 5% of the final total?

CaptainFaraday said:

DominicCobb said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

DominicCobb said:

Swap the 3rd quarter of ROTS with the first and call it episode IX. Swap the first quarter of TROS with the 3rd and call it episode III.

What?

Just think about it for a sec.

This is one of those top tier posts that I didn’t get until about eight hours later when it idly crossed my mind in the middle of the night.

I was about to say the exact same thing. I thought it was just nonsense and was okay with that before reading a second time. Dom’s mind truly expands further than my feeble brain could ever conceive.