Then recast her, you cowards!
Hey Mando! I look different? Oh, yeah, I get plastic surgery every once in a while. I have a bit of an addiction. I also took voice changing pills. Anyway, how’s the little green dude?
Don’t edit the movies at all. That’s probably the worst edit idea. If you don’t even edit the movie, you’ve completely failed at fanediting.
Ben Solo memorized the way to Exegol.
In the theatrical movie, that is what happens. Cinefy is proposing we fans edit the movie so that something different happens. Fans doing editing is what’s known as fan editing, or fanediting.
2h18? Dang, I would’ve thought there was more Naboo than 4 minutes.
I’m opposed to fanedits which set up Palpatine in TFA and TLJ mostly because I don’t like what’s done with Palpatine and his return in TRoS and don’t want to taint TFA and TLJ with it. But if you want to have Palpatine return, you kind of have to.
I’m kind of preaching to the choir here, and also preaching to the wall behind the choir, but the reason the Luke’s father twist works, and similar twists like Bruce Willis being dead the whole time, is not because they come out of nowhere like TestingOutTheTest says. It’s because they don’t come out of nowhere. Because you could have seen them coming, and honestly, I think part of the enjoyment comes from knowing that you should have seen it coming.
A good twist works when there’s lots of clues, or ideas that reinforce the twist before the twist actually happens. Nothing too blatant to spoil it, but enough that when it’s revealed you look back and think “Oh, shit, that’s why XYZ was doing ABC!” That’s why Bruce Willis never talks to anybody. That’s why Obi-Wan and Yoda act kinda goofy when talking about Luke’s dad. That’s why Dae-Su was being held prisoner. Although many movie twists are less straightforward than that.
Even when previous media was made without the twist in mind, good twists can be based in the facts of the previous media. You can just say “Oh they were lying” when a twist retcons something someone said, but it’s incredibly easy to read the Vader twist into Alec Guinness’s acting in the Ben’s Hut scene.
This is all the long way to say that twists only work in the story if they’re well rooted in the entire story.
The Palpatine twist comes out of nowhere, and it completely redirects the plot. None of the plot of TRoS is really a continuation of TLJ at all, save for a few almost irrelevant references that feel pasted in just to specifically deflect this criticism (Hux being a spy is the best example). Fanedits that retroactively put Palpatine back into TFA and TLJ make it less jarring by at least putting some connections to TRoS in them.
Lucasfilm themselves couldn’t do that because the idea of Palpatine even being there wasn’t decided until 10 months before TRoS was completed, let alone while TFA or TLJ were even being worked on. But they should have at least rooted Palpatine’s return better in TFA or TLJ. Or if they figured they couldn’t (and this is probably the case because these people are pretty experienced film makers), the concept probably should have been put in the “Cool idea, doesn’t work” bin.
If Palpatine wasn’t in the trailers and we first heard of him in the opening crawl, it may have been more shocking. But shock isn’t a very long-lasting emotion for a movie to portray. It would just worsen the problem. You’d get an admittedly cool moment of shock for one second, and then it would feel a lot more out of nowhere without the 8-month leadup knowing Palpatine was going to be in this movie.
Maybe this is a weird thing to say after wasting 524 words about how Palpatine’s return functions as a twist, but Palpatine’s return really isn’t a twist, I feel like it’s more of a premise. That’s why it feels like TRoS is an Episode 10 without an Episode 9. It feels like this is another story with Rey and Finn and the crew after their main story has been finished. Except their main story hasn’t been finished and never will be.
Hell, I wonder if a fanedit could make it an actual Episode 10, and just say that Episode 9 doesn’t exist. Like how for a while Episodes 1-3 didn’t exist. They skipped 9. It’s like the story ends in medias res, which, sure, is ridiculously unsatisfying and not as cool as starting a story in medias res, but whatever. Maybe it would sell TLJ better as a soft ending.
He finds the wreckage of the Second Death Star, and finds Palpatine desperately clinging to life with dark side magic, and maybe a little help from life support maintained by freak show cultists.
I do really like your idea Sparky, but not quite enough for me to look past Palpatine’s importance to the Saga. If it were any other Sith lord, this would be a perfect end, but not him. He’s our big bad.
That’s kind of why I like the idea. He’s our big bad, and look what he’s been reduced to. Don’t do dark side, kids.
To praise TRoS for a moment, that’s actually why I also really like his character design in TRoS. He’s a corpse who’s spent more time hanging from a life support system than ruling the galaxy. He’s spent about the same amount of time hanging around as he spent in power, there are 35 years between TPM and RotJ, and 31 years between RotJ and TRoS.
Although I think it’s self-explanatory that the storytelling does not at all match up with this. I may think it’s self-explanatory, but for obvious reasons I might have to explain myself anyway: In this movie, Palpatine is actually the villain, who is capable of destroying planets and is hours away from galactic domination. He’s so powerful that he makes the First Order entirely irrelevant overnight. He’s not really weak or pathetic in this movie, which is what I dug in his character design.
Imagine if maybe, Kylo Ren heard Palpatine was still alive on Endor (or Kef Bir if need be) after all these years, something he might find useful. Maybe Palpatine knows of some secret Imperial something, or secret Sith information, or maybe something something the Force meeting up with the most evil guy will help fix Kylo’s imbalance. His reason for seeking out Palpatine doesn’t matter.
He finds the wreckage of the Second Death Star, and finds Palpatine desperately clinging to life with dark side magic, and maybe a little help from life support maintained by freak show cultists. But for what? He’s completely irrelevant to galactic politics, and his dark influence over the Force has entirely waned. To the rest of the galaxy, he may as well have died way back then, it makes no difference. He’s using up so much effort just to not croak on the spot that he can barely even move his mouth to talk to Kylo, and on top of all this, the unnatural state of his continued existence is diminishing his power in the Force, so eventually he will not be able to keep this up.
Maybe Kylo comments on all this, noting how jarring it is to see the guy who once ruled all of existence and struck terror into the hearts of trillions, or more, without even the control of his bowels. After getting whatever he wanted out of Palpatine, something noted to not even be as useful as he originally thought, he cuts him down with his red lightsaber. All that effort just so he could spend over three decades covered in his own filth.
That would be a pretty cool depiction of the dark side, and what happens to those who devote themselves completely to it.
The moment just works better if he is rejecting the dark side. For that reason alone I choose to believe he does.
Also, it doesn’t help when such views are either presented as “fact” and other views are wrong or “they don’t understand.”
People refute criticisms of commonly criticized films all the time. I’m doing the same with TRoS.
Do it in the god damn opinion threads, dude. We have those. This is not the place for that.
Apologies if this has been discussed already, but has any consideration been given to removing the implication that Lando and Chewie somehow managed to assemble the largest fleet we’ve ever seen, in a couple hours at most, in what the film strongly suggests is a 180-degree reversal of the dominant mood of the galaxy? Personally, I consider that and the dagger compass (which has already been brilliantly fixed in Ascendant) to be the two most logic- and suspension-of-disbelief-breaking moments in the entire Saga.
I wonder if it could be implied or outright said that the First Order is doing something to keep down the effects of Luke on Crait? I don’t know how to word this lol. But like, maybe this fleet has already been pretty much happening and the First Order has just lost control handling it, or something like that.
I think it was more a publicity thing they deemed necessary because Carano was controversial.
Yeah: when you don’t think like Disney and all mainstream corporations tell you to, you become controversial. That’s also what Star Wars was about back in the 70s.
When Star Wars becomes the all powerful Empire, fans should stop defending it… (imho, of course)
Well, also when you say transphobic stuff when the lead actor has a trans sister, said lead actor might not want to continue being your coworker.
It’s not officially cancelled yet, and will maybe still continue, but to me this implies that Rangers was going to heavily feature Cara Dune and that’s now been quietly thrown out of the window. It’s a shame if it really is cancelled - I was hoping the series could replace Cara (if it was ever going to feature her) with a character like Hera Syndulla.
I think it was pretty petty to fire Carano in the first place. This is why I hate Twitter.
I also hope Rangers isn’t canceled from just Carano. There’s so much potential I’d much prefer the show to star original characters and flesh out their original stories. Include a few recognizable characters like the X-Wing Pilot from Mando, but put most of the focus on new faces.
I agree. They clearly had some story plan that I bet could be carried over to another character. Schmara Dune, Cara Dune’s twin sister.
What about alternate realities?
As someone who does like TRoS, I just feel like some changes miss the original executed meaning of specific things/plot points/whatever and/or undermine those.
I wasn’t gonna say this because the thread’s already moved on, but there are a few other people who are mentioning this so…
Dude you really need to chill. It seems like any creative thread that mentions TRoS gets derailed by you trying to argue about the movie.
This isn’t the TRoS Argument thread, if you were looking for that, it’s [here]. Or try any of the number of TRoS opinion posts you yourself have made. None of the threads in the Fanedits section or the Scripts section are TRoS argument threads either, these people are trying to create their own stuff and all you’re doing is telling them they can’t. If you want to give constructive advice or criticism, something to actually improve their project, give them constructive advice. “You’re wrong and bad just for making a TRoS-related project” is not constructive criticism. If you disagree with their project wholesale, don’t open the god damn thread.
It’s no different from the people who hate the sequel trilogy wholesale but bitch about it all day long on the internet, just don’t watch them and move on with your life.
It’s not like these fanedits are going to replace TRoS. If you don’t like the creative choices being made, this fanedit is not for you. Just like how if someone hates the creative choices made in TRoS, that movie is not for them. Don’t watch it.
Not to link to the same thing twice, but it kinda sucks that the first comment on this thread, a script for an alternate Episode 9, is always going to be that. Yes, I know you apologized in that thread, but has your behavior changed, literally at all? No.
Anyway, something that actually contributes to this thread: RL’s puppet show is absolutely amazing. I’m genuinely surprised that fanediting has come so far that something like this is not only feasible, but has been done. Fucking great job, dude.
I showed the scene to my girlfriend who wasn’t clued-in beforehand, and it took three playthroughs before she figured out what was happening.
So I think we should definitely look at slowing it down a bit, though even if it was unchanged it would still be a dramatic improvement to the film.
TBH, I think it kind of works best as is, being quick. It’s something small that gives more life to the movie and more cohesion to the trilogy, but doesn’t really need to be dwelled on.
I personally think most of the issues people point to are fairly surface-level stuff that doesn’t really damage the movie as a whole. A second Death Star makes sense in-universe.
Return of the Jedi is a great movie, but I kind of think this is a stretch. The last one didn’t work, why would a second one with essentially no changes work this time? Palpatine gets a surprise attack on the Rebels I guess, but he still dies, they still lose the Sanctuary Moon, and the loss on Endor doomed the Empire.
Just because your expensive military hardware is destroyed in a battle, you do not simply stop making that hardware. When a country lost a capital warship during the World War I or World War II, they did not just say “oh that did not work, let’s stop building new ones” or “oh that did not work, let’s just stick to building small torpedo boats instead”.
If capital warships were incredibly expensive and had a well known, easily exploitable weak point that leads to total, irreparable destruction, they probably might have said that.
Except that the weak point you refer to was not well known (it took Alliance a great effort to find out about it), and it was not easily exploitable (without a pilot with rare force abilities it was impossible to do it, as clearly shown in the film).
By Return of the Jedi, it was well known, and it’s clearly easily exploitable because they easily exploit it the second time.
And besides, who says they did not fix it for the DS2?
The indie arthouse kino filme known as “Return of the Jedi”
The only reason why ships could fly inside it was because it was only 1/4 finished by the time of ROTJ.
In other words, not fixed. Edit: Or, as Yotsuya says, you could view it as them replacing one easily exploitable weakness with another that’s even worse. But if you take Rogue One’s word for it (maybe you do maybe you don’t), they literally did jack to fix the problem.
No matter which way you slice it: The core of the Death Star was too easy to put bombs inside of. Fair mistake, people harp on ANH too much for it. You have to exhaust heat somehow, and it literally took magic powers to take down the First Death Star. But they made it a thousand times easier for the Second. No excuse.
Now going to my analogy, unlike DS in Star Wars, real-life incredibly expensive capital warships (i.e., battleships) did actually have several well known, easily exploitable weak points, i.e., against attacks from relatively inexpensive aircraft or torpedo boats. Yet they were still building them for decades after those weak points were evident.
I’m no military tactician, but I imagine it’s because they aren’t actually easily exploitable. At least, I hope not. Because if they are actually sending capital warships with weaknesses so easily exploitable they get murked before they manage to even do anything (like the DS2 did), military waste is a much, much bigger issue than I thought it was.
I don’t know why the idea of Anakin giving Kylo a talking to caught on so much. It sounds like it would have been a god awful scene, no offense. It must’ve crossed their mind but I also kind of doubt it was something that was ever seriously planned to happen.
Seemed good to me
Print out every frame from the office Inkjet and flash them really fast to save electricity
The link SandMTV posted links to a video with a 15 character ID (f2ynu4megZFmo8U), but every YouTube video has an 11 character ID. Conclusion: Sand is from a distant future where they ran out of YouTube IDs and had to add four more digits.
@SparkySywer You didn’t finish the second section on your comment.
There is no second section, the second quote is just the thing I was referring to. I was unclear
Add the scene of Anakin killing Obi-Wan while he’s about to depart for Utapau.
I wasn’t able to watch that.
Me neither, it was pretty heart wrenching
My friend came up with Yung Paul Rudd today watching something he was in from the 90s
I personally think most of the issues people point to are fairly surface-level stuff that doesn’t really damage the movie as a whole. A second Death Star makes sense in-universe.
Return of the Jedi is a great movie, but I kind of think this is a stretch. The last one didn’t work, why would a second one with essentially no changes work this time? Palpatine gets a surprise attack on the Rebels I guess, but he still dies, they still lose the Sanctuary Moon, and the loss on Endor doomed the Empire.
Just because your expensive military hardware is destroyed in a battle, you do not simply stop making that hardware. When a country lost a capital warship during the World War I or World War II, they did not just say “oh that did not work, let’s stop building new ones” or “oh that did not work, let’s just stick to building small torpedo boats instead”.
If capital warships were incredibly expensive and had a well known, easily exploitable weak point that leads to total, irreparable destruction, they probably might have said that.
Yeah
Either way, if he was manipulating her here, why not go with the Palpatine manipulation right off the bat? Pull the same stuff he says in TRoS instead of waiting a year?
Kylo didn’t know by then, Palpatine told him on Exegol. If anything the question becomes why did Palpatine do the waiting.
So then he isn’t lying to manipulate her.
He was using what he knew to manipulate her. Common dark side tactic. An outright lie can be seen through with the force, but something that is true or believed to be true can be a powerful weapon when it is properly twisted.
If it’s not a lie, why bring it up? The whole argument was that Kylo was not being honest, so Rey being a Nobody doesn’t make sense.
The way TLJ is written, the whole “your parents were nobody” was all Kylo trying to turn her. So it being the unvarnished truth doesn’t make a lot of sense.
My friend from high school called himself Lil Cuban Missile Crisis. Technically taken but felt like sharing
Either way, if he was manipulating her here, why not go with the Palpatine manipulation right off the bat? Pull the same stuff he says in TRoS instead of waiting a year?
Kylo didn’t know by then, Palpatine told him on Exegol. If anything the question becomes why did Palpatine do the waiting.
So then he isn’t lying to manipulate her.
Can we maybe agree on a blanket ban on saying ideas belong in the Worst Edit Ideas thread? I understand that people generally say it as joke, but it’s not a particularly positive or constructive thing for someone to hear when they float an idea.
I agree with Captain Faraday