SparkySywer

Not a fan of the SEs or this change, but the usual reason given in favor of it is that Vader’s hiding information from Palpatine. He doesn’t want Palpatine to know that he already knows Luke is his son.

It raises a few more questions, though. Like, why would Palpatine care if Vader already heard about it? Or, why is the movie bringing this up when it’s never really relevant again? Plus, I don’t think that’s actually what Lucas had in mind when making the change.

But that explanation isn’t so horrible, and while I much prefer the original, it’s good enough for me. What bothers me more about the scene is Palpatine’s RotS makeup.

I wouldn’t call SE fans insane, though.

Anakin Starkiller said:

It is when you remember that the reason Luke’s lightsaber was changed to green for ROTJ was because the lightsaber’s blue color blended with the sky too much, making it hard to see.

Just recolor the sky, silly.

A great fix to our problem

That’s much more manageable in a modern fanedit than with 80s SFX methods.

Hey, that’s not that bad of an edit.

The firing of Colin Trevorrow caused the capitol riots

If the Coruscant Riots were included in Episode 9, the Trump supporters would have been embarrassed to play it out and wouldn’t have done it

Have a voiceover like in Who Killed Captain Alex

I don’t know, guys, there’s something that really hit the spot with Yoda lifting up the X-Wing in TRoS. It so completely and fully undermines Luke’s character, all these years later he still hasn’t progressed in his arc enough to lift the X-Wing.

I can imagine someone unironically defending the ghost colors one, though. That was pretty bad. This thread’s on a roll lately. No offense to Ed, though.

DominicCobb said:

SparkySywer said:

Hal I think you’ve come pretty close to the very Worst Edit Idea

How about when Rey defeats Palpatine you suddenly see Anakin’s face deepfaked on top of hers.

That sounds like a Frink edit therefore it’s good, wrong thread

Hal I think you’ve come pretty close to the very Worst Edit Idea

Skywalker? Well, you won’t be needing this, then.

NeverarGreat said:

I mean that the ending of ESB is more pointedly existential than AOTC and it retains its focus on the core drama.

Man, just like RogueLeader said, it’s funny seeing an actually really interesting idea like this in the Worst Edit thread. Never thought of it like this, and it explains a lot.

I’m the tallest person at my work. There’s not a whole lot of people there so it’s not an accomplishment or anything, but it’s funny, because I’m only very slightly above average. I just work with a lot of short people for some reason.

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I really want to make a Blackened Mantle style ST edit because I have more defined ideas for how that might play out than a PT edit in that style. Is the Japanese voice acting any good for the ST? Because that was a big factor in Blackened Mantle’s creation, originally.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

This might be a dumb idea but would it be possible to just lift the scene of Rey watching the ship liftoff in the TFA trailer/TFA and use that as Rey’s parents leaving? That way, you can have two different ships for Ochi and Reyrents.

That’s not a dumb idea and it would probably be the best option, unless you go with SherlockPotter’s suggestion or if you want to bank on Dom’s idea. I think some people might be reluctant to change TFA for TRoS’s sake, though.

DZ-330 said:

I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t been banned yet.

He has been banned actually lol

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Even if they look different (not sure what the difference is) they’re too similar as is if you want them to be different ships. More drastic changes would probably be needed.

Looks good! I wonder if someone could add in Anakin’s eye scar to that scene?

Servii said:

Okay, I have a confession to make. I’ve watched Nerdonymous’ other videos, but I hadn’t actually gotten around to finishing this one yet. From what you’re describing, Sparky, I have to agree that it sounds pretty bad. It sounds more like he’s just lashing out against the anti-George Lucas sentiment rather than actually offering a coherent counterpoint to the video. I must admit I’m disappointed in this guy.

My apologies then for including your name in my comment

G&G-Fan said:

When did he bash fan preservations?

1 hour 48 minutes 49 seconds is when Nerdonymous starts talking about it, maybe start a few seconds earlier for context.

Edit: To make it more clear, he responds to a part of RocketJump’s video talking about fan preservations, specifically showing a clip from Harmy’s making of video, and compares it to “George Lucas raped my childhood” bullshit from the time.

Rodney-2187 said:

Without George Lucas, there would be no Star Wars. Period.

This is also an important mentality to have. Because while Lucas’s revisionism is BS and harmful, and while Nerdonymous’s video is incorrect in asserting RJ’s video was an attempt at discrediting George Lucas, there are people who do want to discredit George Lucas, and that’s wrong too.

Plus, there’s a quote by exurb1a I think is relevant for people who don’t like the prequels. Paraphrasing it because I can’t be bothered looking it up: “The key to happiness is recognizing that the prequels were awful, but thanking George Lucas for the Original Trilogy anyway.”

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I’ve personally never heard of Rick Worley before.

Length and quality do not correlate at all. There are tons of really long video essays which make really strong arguments and are paced well enough that they don’t feel like their runtime, but there’s also tons of video essays which use their incredible length to hide their lack of depth. There’s thoroughness, and then there’s listing off a bunch of points that never build into any sort of argument.

There’s a lot of pro-PT pro-Lucas content (“content”) on Youtube that fits the second category. That’s probably what Mocata is getting at and that’s what I was getting at earlier. Don’t know if this video fits that trend, I plan on watching it in an hour or two when I get the chance to, but it’s an undeniable trend.

Long = smart

I haven’t seen the whole video and don’t plan on doing so today, because it’s 4 AM in my time zone and I don’t want to commit myself to staying up past 6 just to watch one video. I probably will tomorrow. I’d also have to watch RocketJump’s original video too, it’s one of those videos that’s always been in my recommendations but I’ve never seen. But the first few minutes give me red flags, mainly the format of the video. It’s incredibly common for the “let the original play, and then pause and make some comment” format to be used downright dishonestly.

As far as I watched (not that far) I didn’t notice anything that seemed (to me) outright dishonest, but it also didn’t put my concerns to rest. For one, the first few minutes complaining about how RocketJump talked about the unfinished state of the early cut shown to Spielberg seems to try and make RocketJump look dishonest by intentionally missing the point of the segment in their video: That being most people in the audience aren’t exactly familiar with movie development and might need more information on what Star Wars was like in this stage. But to be fair to Nerdonymous, it isn’t strictly necessary and Nerdonymous is technically correct. It’s also possible that there’s context I’m missing where this segment is a lot worse than I think, but if that’s the case, Nerdonymous isn’t giving us that context.

I’ll watch this tomorrow with an open mind, because while George Lucas’s revisionism is pretty awful, it’s just as awful that a lot of fans in the late 2000s and early 2010s swung so hard in the other direction. Given that the idea that Star Wars was saved in the edit became common knowledge (or maybe, became incorrectly taken for granted) around that time, I’d rather hear him out and not be part of the problem.

RogueLeader said:

I personally interpreted it as Luke being afraid that he would just make things worse if he were to get back involved.

I feel like I’m being a little flippant to say when you went into a much more deeper place in the rest of your comment, but that’s the text of the movie. There’s not really any other interpretation to be had, unless you want to get into really weird justifications, like, “Everything Luke says in TLJ is a lie, oh and also Kylo’s in on it too for no reason”. Luke is on the island because he thinks that leaving the island would hurt the galaxy.