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#1308372
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A Less Radical Sketch of a Prequel Rewrite
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I usually prefer a more radical prequel story. The “fixing the prequels” rewrite has been done to Death, but I had this idea a while ago and figured I’d share it.

Episode I starts with the Trade Federation blockading Alderaan just like in George’s TPM (although obviously it was Naboo). However, this is for imperialist reasons. Alderaan kicked them out and stopped Federation control over their resources, and the Trade Federation retaliated.

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are sent to deal with the problem, although instead of Qui-Gon being his master, he’s just a good friend. Yoda trained Obi-Wan. However, they’re attacked by Maul, who they don’t yet know is a Sith.

The rest of the movie plays out similarly, although in a more dire way. Alderaan is being destroyed, and they evacuate the Queen. Maul is sent to go get the Queen, they land on Tatooine, yaddah yaddah yaddah. They meet Anakin.

Anakin here is not a slave, but a petty criminal who is just trying to feed his mother and sister, who is unnamed in the movie. His sister also does not show up, however his mother would later, after they win the podrace.

They meet Anakin when he tried to rob them, but he does so using the Force to try and mind trick them into giving over their money. This surprises them, it’s not exactly something you come across every day, a non-Jedi trained enough in the force to pull that. Plus, they can just feel this boy has an incredible raw power in the Force, even though he was untrained. Even the non-Jedi can feel something about him.

Obi-Wan really wants to take Anakin aboard, but Qui-Gon is not convinced that he’s capable. He has a connection with the Force, and he’s able to tap into it in some ways, but in a way that would be actually practical for the Jedi? Who knows.

Also, btw, the romance between Anakin and Padme begins around here, and by the end of the movie, they will be a couple.

Obi-Wan enters Anakin into the pod race to prove to Qui-Gon that Anakin is worth training, and also this gets the money for the parts for the ship, and extra money to lift Shmi and Beru out of poverty, since, you know, it would be morally awful to just leave them like this. Anakin demonstrates truly remarkable maneuvers in the podrace, and Qui-Gon admits he was wrong and they take Anakin to Coruscant.

Obi-Wan believes their attacker was a Sith, not just a rogue dark force user or a dark Jedi, because only the Sith would be so powerful in the Force and skilled in combat. However, prophecy says that the Sith will be destroyed by a Chosen One, and that Anakin is this Chosen One.

On Coruscant, things don’t go so well. The Jedi aren’t convinced the Sith are back or that Anakin is the Chosen One. They believe Yoda was the Chosen One, and he destroyed the Sith hundreds of years ago in the Sith Wars. The Queen pleads her case to the Senate, but they completely go off the rails. This is why we need a stronger army! The Jedi are unable to protect the galaxy! We need to take stronger control over the Outer Rim! The Queen must go back to liberate her own planet.

The movie continues on like normal, but the space battle is moved to before the big battle at the end. Anakin demonstrates his skill as a pilot as he leads them through the blockade. In this fight, he earns the nickname “Skywalker”, because it’s as if he’s walking the sky.

In the fight with Darth Maul, Qui-Gon dies, but Obi-Wan manages to kill Darth Maul. In his dying breath, he announces the revenge of the Sith and the rise of a new Sith Order. This battle proves to the Jedi Council that the Sith are indeed back. They allow Obi-Wan, already a respected Jedi to train the Chosen One.

Episode II takes place only a few years after Episode I, because Anakin would have been an adult or teenager. It’s established that the Jedi find out the Sith were able to survive for so many centuries because they only ever had two Sith. The ideas of the Rule of two would be explained here: Killing your master to make the Sith stronger, no infighting, but heavy focus on how it allowed them to avoid detection. They’ve spent the past few years trying to hunt down who the Sith Master is, but have been largely unsuccessful.

However, they have a lead and send Anakin, Obi-Wan, Padme, and a new character on this mission. I don’t have a good name for him, but he’s a former apprentice of Obi-Wan’s.

The movie is similar to Attack of the Clones, but it starts on Kamino. The group has found a bounty hunter, Jango Fett, who has been working with the rumored Sith Lord. He doesn’t cooperate, but they track him down to the planet Geonosis.

There’s a space battle here, where Anakin’s prowess is shown, but this new guy is also great. Jokingly at first, the name Skywalker is also given to this new guy, but eventually it becomes just as serious as it is for Anakin, and this makes Anakin very jealous. Being the Chosen One has sort of gone to his head, and he doesn’t appreciate the attention being off of him.

However, they end up finding the rumored Sith - Dooku. A former Jedi leading a conspiracy to overthrow the Republic and install him as leader of the galaxy. The Jedi are put in the coliseum, but they kill the monsters. Dooku, however, recognizing his former friends, grants them audience. Dooku was Qui-Gon’s master and knew Obi-Wan when he was younger, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan’s relationship went back to when they were young.

The Jedi reveal what they know, and he reveals what he knows: He is not the Sith, he wants to destroy the Sith. He found himself being tempted by the dark side years ago, and struggled with it. In this time, the Sith master (whose image and identity were hidden) revealed his control over the Republic and offered him a place in his Order to fill Maul’s shoes, but he rejected. The Sith master immediately tried to silence him, and he had to fake his own death and go into hiding before he could get word to the Jedi. He began organizing a coup, however, to fight back against the Sith.

The new guy thinks it’s better to become a martyr and that he should have told the Jedi even if it meant death. He tells the Jedi.

Now the word is out, and the Sith master sends bounty hunters to kill Dooku, successfully. The main characters return to Coruscant, but there’s another space fight where once again, the new guy proves to be a better pilot than Anakin.

On Coruscant, the new guy is praised for illuminating the control by the Sith over the Republic. The Jedi will begin investigating the Senate for links to the Sith, in hopes of finding the Sith master, and also weeding out the corruption in the Senate. There’s also not much the Senate can do about this, the Sith are so feared they could not survive going against the Jedi.

Anakin, formerly a hero in the eyes of the galaxy, does not like being one-upped by the new guy. He betrays and murders him, and he leaves the Jedi Order.

However, Anakin is contacted by a mysterious messanger. He is invited into a secret meeting where he meets the Sith master - It’s the relatively unimportant backbench Senator Palpatine. He’s aware Anakin left the Order, and being such a smart guy, he knows all about his motivations, and offers to train him, and he’d be the face of the New Order. Anakin accepts.

Skywalker actually had two children, and with him gone, Obi-Wan takes one to Tatooine, with Beru on her nice new moisture farm (this will be the first time we see of her and hear her name), with Obi-Wan agreeing to train him when he’s old enough. Padme’s brother Bail takes the other. Shmi will be dead by now.

Before Episode III, the Republic would have started wars with a bunch of small systems and local governments in the Outer Rim, publicly to “hunt down the Sith” after the “Sith Master was scared into hiding in the Outer Rim”, but this is actually the beginnings of the Empire. The Jedi would oppose this, and Palpatine would accuse them of suddenly doing a 180 and protecting the Sith. The Jedi, seeing their vetting of the Senate has failed, these wars are clearly the Sith’s doing, choose to enact Dooku’s plan, and attempt to overthrow the Republic. From here out, the movie starts being based on Revenge of the Sith more. However, the overthrow is given way more runtime than Mace Windu’s assassination.

Palpatine says the Sith have infiltrated the Jedi in the time, turning their hearts (Episode III would take place a while after Episode II, where Episode II is closer to III in GL’s prequels, II would be closer to I here) and eventually taking control. They need to get rid of the Jedi, and also restructure the government to be able to keep tabs on the galaxy to hunt down the Sith always. Not-so-coincidentally, this control over the galaxy and Outer Rim benefits a lot of the Trade Federation types and their imperialism.

Episode III ends pretty similarly to GL’s Episode III. Darth Vader now hunts down the Jedi enemies of the state. They fight on Mustafar, Anakin is injured badly and gets put in the suit.

Obi-Wan goes into hiding on the same planet as the boy he promised to train, although now Beru’s mom is dead, and her boyfriend now husband doesn’t approve of him,


A note I just want to put at the end here: The new guy in Episode II is the only way I could really see the Vader father twist not be spoiled.

Sure, you could just not name Vader, but as soon as you see the Ben’s Hut scene, you know something’s up, since he conveniently neglects to mention that Anakin turned to the dark side, and you don’t remember him being betrayed and murdered. Sure, certain point of view and all, but you won['t get that explanation until 2 movies later. So, Vader is Anakin boom.

Plus, once Obi-Wan says he trained Vader, no matter what, instant spoilage.

So, you need a second character who is trained by Obi-Wan and is “betrayed and murdered” by Darth Vader. It also helps that he has the name Skywalker, since that’s Luke’s name. If only Anakin had the name Skywalker, that would also give it away. So I also had to go with Skywalker being a pseudonym.

I also thought originally Anakin’s name couldn’t be Lars, but it turns out they actually don’t say Lars in ANH, so it could. However I thought it couldn’t be, and that’s why Anakin’s related to Beru, not Owen.

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#1308196
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The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Another idea just because I want to spit radical ideas tonight:

This would have to be done in a redubbed fanedit, and would depend heavily on how Episode IX turns out on how usable this idea is, even with a redub.

Darth Plagueis, Palpatine’s former master, was not fully destroyed. He cheated death, and 26 years after his apprentice’s death, has resurfaced.

Working off of his apprentices Empire, he founds the Ultimate Order. The master of life and death, he reanimates the ancient Sith Masters to serve him: Darth Revan, Darth Bane*, Darth Malak*, Darth Zannah*, and even his traitorous apprentice, Darth Sidious. However, they’re only shells of their former selves, slaves to Darth Plagueis.

His might has brought the fledgeling Republic, still struggling with remnants of Sidious’s Empire, to its knees, and Luke’s new Jedi Order was not able to adapt to this challenge. The risen Sith killed all his Jedi, including Han and Leia’s only child Ben, and forced him into hiding on the first Jedi Temple of Ahch-To, where he has spent the past 6 years.

However, in these 6 years, the Ultimate Order has completely conquered the galaxy. However, Leia and Han’s experience in the Rebellion have allowed them to create an even more effective Resistance against Plagueis’s Empire.

In this time of need, however, Leia sends Poe Dameron on a mission to an old ally, who has a map to the first temple. She needs Luke to come back now.

*Knights of Ren?

Not sure where it would go from there. Kylo/Revan killing Snoke/Plagueis, though, would be an ultimate act of self-determination and might be paired with a return to the light?

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#1308138
Topic
The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Star Wars: Episode VII - Legacy of the Force

Luke Skywalker has vanished after a former student, Kylo Ren, destroyed his Jedi temple. In the absence of the Jedi, Imperial sympathizers have seeped into the Republic, allowing the First Order to rise. Led by the fallen angel Kylo Ren, it now conquers the galaxy, trying to re-establish the Empire.

Rumor has it that Luke has returned to the first Jedi temple on Ahch-To, and General Leia Organa, working with a paramilitary Resistance hell-bent on destroying the First Order, hunts down the long-forgotten map to the ocean world, and has tracked down the final piece to Jakku. However, so has Kylo Ren.

The movie would go the same, until the Battle of Takodana. After Rey is taken. They go right to Star non-Killer Base. Han dies, they have the snow fight, and go to D’Qar. But, Han was right. If he could find the Falcon, so could the First Order. They evacuate just as Rey leaves to Ahch-To

The scenes of Rey meeting Luke are all in a row here. Most of the Last Jedi plays out normally, although Finn and Rose just go home after they get put in the Canto Bight prison, for time. They tell Poe it’s a failure, and that’s when his plan for an insurrection begin.

It keeps going normally until they land on Crait, where the rest of the Last Jedi would play out.

It would probably end there as a 2-in-1, though. That’s a pretty strong resolution and already a long runtime.

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#1308054
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The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Vladius said:

I think it’s really dishonest to reduce anyone who doesn’t like The Last Jedi to a bunch of politically motivated epithets like “racist,” “sexist,” “homophobic,” etc.

You said “a few,” but you also said, “oft-mentioned,” and I have zero trust in you or others like you to make the distinction.

Don’t take this as me speaking for oojason, this is my opinion not at all his, but the way I’ve always seen it, if someone is talking about racists, sexists, homophobes, etc, and you say “Oh hey they’re talking about me!”… you said it not me.

RogueLeader said:

To play Devil’s advocate, maybe her style would’ve been less “off” to some if they had kept her “hippy-dippy” personality from the first cut of the film. I could possibly see an argument in toning down her style since they also toned down her personality.

Also, if she had been introduced as a surviving senator, more people may have felt her style better matched that profession.

I wonder if either idea could be implemented in a Blackened Mantle type fanedit with a foreign dub and subtitles. Both ideas are pretty cool.

They’re space fantasy movies but they have a very particular aesthetic, especially in regards to the Rebellion/Resistance and Empire/First Order. Military figures wear military uniforms or at the very least, military style clothing. When a Vice Admiral has candy color hair and wears a cocktail dress, it sticks out, and there’s no real reason for it to stick out.

Also, ignoring everything else they’ve said in this thread, I actually agree a little with Vladius here. It doesn’t bother me, but it is a different aesthetic.

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#1306397
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OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Here’s a suggestion: remove the part in RotJ were Palpatine refers to Luke’s saber as “A Jedi’s weapon”.

Does that really contradict the PT, though? We see Vader has a saber throughout the OT, and we know for a fact that it’s not just his leftover Jedi saber, because Ben had that and gave it to Luke. Saying it’s a Jedi’s weapon doesn’t mean he’s saying it’s exclusive to the Jedi.

Thematically, though, it still shows Vader’s history as a Jedi. It could be a Jedi-only thing that Vader just happened to carry over as a former Jedi.

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#1305910
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The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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It also fits in well with Kylo Ren’s character. He turned to the dark side primarily because he believed he was owed a place in the galaxy because of his lineage (contrast with Rey also wanting a lineage to place herself in the galaxy, except she makes something of herself because she didn’t have one and had to). He could be an incredibly prized possession by the First Order because he’s a relative of Vader, Luke, Leia, and Han. They give him a place in the galaxy and he gives them one too.

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#1301066
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Nicely done! I can’t say it’s a necessary change that should be implemented…although…hmmm…I do think more fan edits should do things like this…even if a scene plays out pretty much the same way, I feel like you’re watching it more intently thinking “wait, what’s different?”. It kind of makes one sit up and pay attention, ya know?

Exactly this. It’s not significant, but it’s an artistic touch that gives the fanedit its own identity. It would make you feel like you’re watching so and so’s fanedit of the Phantom Menace, not just weird Phantom Menace.

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#1300583
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Luke projecting in TLJ had a lot more importance than Yoda projecting in the prequels would. It has consequences, for example Luke can’t be killed by Kylo Ren because he’s not really there. Yoda projecting would just be an unimportant detail since it doesn’t have any tangible effect, and would probably undermine Luke’s projection in TLJ.

Don’t let me get in the way of anything, but I think projection Yoda is a bad idea.

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#1298920
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The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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This parallel, though, I think is really unintentional. I have a hard time believing a Hollywood blockbuster is going to take a firm political stance in this decade. However, it’s not hard to read this, and the new EU makes it even easier. It would definitely be a good idea for sequel fanedits to lean even further into this.

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#1298260
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Return of the Jedi 1997 Special Edition HD Reconstruction
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One thing I noticed was that you used the Theatrical “A long time ago” text, instead of the newer version that appeared in the Special Editions and prequels. However, upon further inspection of a '97 PAL DVD and '97 Laser Disc, for some reason the new text was only added to Empire and ANH, and Return of the Jedi still has the theatrical text, so your reconstruction is still accurate.