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#1284346
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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Peter Pan said:

SparkySywer said:

I tried to edit the OT into a 3 in 1 movie, I consider it a failure.

For one, 3 in 1 prequel edits work because the prequels have a ton of filler, and the OT doesn’t really. There is a ton of stuff you could cut (the point of my 3 in 1 edit was to have one single Death Star, so obviously the Death Star attack in ANH could go), but not nearly as much. I couldn’t really get it shorter than 3h55, and I cheated by speeding it up from 23.976 FPS to 25 FPS.

Secondly, I felt like having the Jabba’s Palace sequence in the same movie as Han getting frozen in carbonite was… bad? It felt like backtracking, although I could also see it being like a chance to see more of the universe? In a meta way?

I don’t know. Don’t let this discourage you, rocknroll41’s idea especially seems promising. I’m just warning you it’ll definitely be hard to get to work.

I think the best way to handle Han being frozen in carbonite is to cut this subplot.

Yet I am unsure on how to do so. The best way I see is to adjust the scene of Lando visiting Han, Leia, Chewie and 3PO in their cell, so it is hinted that he may help them and then dubb the dialogue of an imperial officer telling Vader that the prisoners escaped.
On bord of the falcon Han would rest, still suffering, because he was tortured by the Empire (use the scene of him laying down on the plank bed in the cell).

The most difficult challenge would be to add Han to the escape from Cloud City sequence.
Even though he would be unable to fight, because of the torture he experienced a few minutes ago.

I also have a slight feeling a very skilled editor could change the ending to RotJ to have Han be killed in the freezing process. This is probably easier, though.

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#1284036
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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I tried to edit the OT into a 3 in 1 movie, I consider it a failure.

For one, 3 in 1 prequel edits work because the prequels have a ton of filler, and the OT doesn’t really. There is a ton of stuff you could cut (the point of my 3 in 1 edit was to have one single Death Star, so obviously the Death Star attack in ANH could go), but not nearly as much. I couldn’t really get it shorter than 3h55, and I cheated by speeding it up from 23.976 FPS to 25 FPS.

Secondly, I felt like having the Jabba’s Palace sequence in the same movie as Han getting frozen in carbonite was… bad? It felt like backtracking, although I could also see it being like a chance to see more of the universe? In a meta way?

I don’t know. Don’t let this discourage you, rocknroll41’s idea especially seems promising. I’m just warning you it’ll definitely be hard to get to work.

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#1283924
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Star Wars: Death of the Author
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tl;dr: A new, fanmade Star Wars continuity, starting with nothing but a clean slate and the Original Trilogy as our source material, and a community around writing fanmade stories to populate the canon.


Death of the Author

Philosophically I’m a hard believer in Death of the Author. In case you don’t know what that is, it’s the belief that once an author released their work, their beliefs and interpretations on it no longer serve as the ultimate authority, and that limiting a work to one definitive meaning or interpretation is restrictive. The author dies, and becomes part of the audience just like us.

That could also extend to the idea of canon in general, since deciding whether something belongs in canon is based in whether they align with the decider’s subjective interpretations. It then follows that neither the author, nor a company or anyone should have the complete authority to decide what is and isn’t canon if they shouldn’t decide which interpretations are and aren’t valid. The only reason Lucasfilm has this discretion now is because people listen to them.

Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with making a canon, making a consistent shared continuity between stories. This isn’t a #ResistDisney movement, you’re allowed to have a canon. This isn’t challenging the legitimacy of Lucasfilm’s EU either, or bellyaching about how bad the new movies or new canon is, I personally have enjoyed the new movies myself. But there doesn’t have to be just one canon, and I think it would be a fun experiment if there weren’t.

That’s not a new idea in the Star Wars fandom, especially amongst fans of the Old Legends EU, a lot of whom continue to follow it as if it never got reset. There’s no reason we can’t collectively make our own continuity.

This is what Star Wars: Death of the Author would be, a community-created continuity, with fan-written stories populating it.

The idea would be that it starts out empty, with nothing but the source material all of Star Wars is based on: The Original Trilogy. From there, the continuity would be expanded upon, more episodes could be written, stories short and long would fill the canon to a full and thriving timeline.

Members would democratically decide together whether or not the story fits into the canon we’ve established.

Something that I’d hope is for this continuity to develop its own personality and crazy ideas. I would hope it wouldn’t be too similar to the New Lucasfilm EU or the Old Legends EU.

The stories written in this continuity don’t have to be bound to the assumptions and ideas from either other continuity. The prequel trilogy of this continuity doesn’t have to have anything to do with Darth Vader’s fall to the Dark Side or the fall of the Republic, nor do either of them have to happen concurrently. Maybe Darth Vader is a rebel spy who betrays the rebellion and joins the Empire. Maybe he’s just a battle-hardened general who picks one side of a purely political civil war between the Republicans and the Imperials. It doesn’t even have to be a three-part story, you could have them be three disparate unrelated stories. Think outside the box! The state of the galaxy thousands of years before the Empire doesn’t have to be all Darth Revan Darth Bane Knights of the Old Republic, maybe the Jedi go on epic quests to fight off evil Force Monsters, or maybe there are tons of Force Religions or sects, not just the Jedi and Sith, but maybe the Bendu and the Ashla and the Nightsisters or a bunch of other crazy ideas, too, all fighting each other and the Jedi are just the ones that last into the age of the Empire.

I could go on with examples, but the point is: Let your mind wander and be as creative as you want: Don’t be bound to the ideas of Legends EU or the new Lucasfilm EU!

I made a discord here! Our first order of business is to decide what our first order of business will be.

At the very least, you should join us because it’s a guaranteed audience to share your writing with.

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#1283828
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Rewriting the OT-What would you do?
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Since the OT is the source material of Star Wars, I’m assuming you mean a complete Star Wars reboot, and not something in the same vein as prequel rewrites where I’d have to keep them in line with some existing material.

I’ve always liked the idea of a 1800s or pre-WWI 1900s Star Wars with some anachronism. It’s set on one planet, with boats instead of spaceships, real sabers instead of light sabers, Vader is a full-on samurai. Technology and culture haven’t evolved in the same way on this planet as our own, so naval warfare technology is advanced, with WWII-era planes (to keep that dogfighting babey), but other areas of technology are lagging. The Death Star would be the first nuclear weapon this world has seen.

Cybernetics is a bit of a stretch, though, so Vader can’t be a cyborg, and Luke can’t lose a hand. Vader is probably horribly disfigured from self-mutilation, maybe to bring himself more in line with the Dark Side of the Force, maybe that’s just something he does. He wears a mask to cover this up, not to help breathe.

The plot would be like how I, someone who has never read a Marvel comic, think the MCU treats the comics: Some ideas and themes, and maybe the premises of each story are taken, but they’re not super faithful. General arcs of most characters and their characterization would remain the same: Vader is still a bad guy who turns good because of his son, Luke still starts out as a Jedi’s son who wants to be more like his father, only to find out his father is a monster, but then finds out he isn’t and tries to redeem him. Han is still a scumbag who turns good, etc. Maybe some premises would draw inspiration from the actual OT movies, but no story identical to any of them would exist.

I’d think maybe the best format is a series show like Game of Thrones. A normal TV show I feel wouldn’t have enough weight, but it’s sacrilege to make a Star Wars cinematic reboot. Each season should have a defining thing about the plot, Season 1 might be the Death Star season, Season 2 might be the season with XYZ, Season 3 is the ZYX season, etc.

The Death Star would be a looming presence for a significant chunk of the show, if not the whole show, and there would only be one Death Star.

Vader being Luke’s father couldn’t be a twist, so maybe we can exploit that and put subplots of Vader finding out who Luke is in earlier seasons.

The show would be entirely OT-based. There could definitely be flashback or flash forward episodes, but the bulk of the show is with the OT cast of characters. In these flashbacks, the contrast between Anakin and Vader should be as much as possible, and Anakin should be as similar to Luke as possible. Where Vader is a horribly mutilated, disfigured creature, Anakin is a stunningly handsome specimen of a man. He’s uncannily similar to Luke in personality. Any dark side stuff that’s started yet is hidden well. No rage-filled outbursts. He’s also just an all-around cool guy. Someone you’d hate to see fall.

I wouldn’t have Luke and Leia be siblings. Luke could have a sister, maybe named Nellith like what she was in older drafts of Empire and Jedi.

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#1277645
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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snooker said:

My source was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZasLcoKWlY.

I don’t have the DVD copy of the movie, and I assume that the one on the Star Wars official YouTube channel is the best quality version of it considering it was uploaded more than a decade after the DVDs came out and could take advantage of everything that goes with that. If anyone has a direct, lossless rip from the DVD itself it might help, but I just don’t think anything will help it exactly match the surrounding footage.

Youtube definitely compressed it, though. The DVD version might not actually look all that bad compared to the Youtube version. They’re both 480p, anyway.

Color correction could also help make it stand out less.

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#1277457
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The Force Awakens - PG edit
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DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I mean, that’s literally the only example of censorship in the SE’s. Nothing else in ANH or anything in ESB or ROTJ were censored when it was resubmitted to the MPAA in 1997, and again, both TPM and AOTC were given PG ratings in 1999 and 2002.

A lot has changed since then. Hard to think of many movies in recent years with similar content to the first 5 Star Warses that haven’t been rated PG-13. I’d bet if the films were made today they all would get PG-13, save maybe TPM.

A man gets cut in half. I’d say that would be PG-13 today.

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#1275890
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The Force Awakens - PG edit
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It’s important to keep in mind that before 1984, the ratings system was completely different. G meant for kids, PG meant for teenagers (kids aren’t recommended), R meant for adults (kids aren’t allowed without parental permission), and X meant kids aren’t allowed whatsoever under any circumstances (usually porn, but not always).

PG-13 not only didn’t exist, but PG of the time was definitely harder than PG-13 of today, and while the Original Trilogy wouldn’t be considered R today, a lot of PG movies of the 80s would be considered R today (especially horror movies, which is what prompted the redesign of the ratings system, people thought PG meant okay for kids when it did not). Additionally, I’m pretty sure all three OT movies would get PG-13, and maybe my hatred for American puritanism exaggerates this in my mind, but I’d imagine RotJ might push it with Slave Leia. All three of them are harder than anything in the sequels or prequels.