SparkySywer

I’m stealing Dave Fulloboloney

Does it have to be revisionism? Can’t it just be cope?

This fanedit is now 100% complete. You can DM me for a link. I look forward to moving onto the next fanedit, “From You, 2000 Years Ago”

RangerofAquilae said:

Sure, Vader was a bad guy in the OT. I mean, obviously! But there are important moral differences at play. Not every bad act is morally equivalent. For example, being part of, and supporting, a genocidal regime is not necessarily the same as committing genocide oneself. (Just as aiding and abetting a violent crime can be distinguished from the violent crime itself.) Sure it’s bad, but not as bad. When it comes to the destruction of Alderaan, Tarkin was the far worse actor.

I agree with twoyennan though and I wish we got a more earnestly heroic Anakin in the PT. We only kind of get a facade of that in Episode 3. If Anakin and Luke’s stories are meant to complement one another, having Anakin become a mass murderer in Episode 2 feels like a total misstep.

There’s a comic book which covers that, and IMO that’s the best place for that kind of story to exist.

Tongue-in-cheek jokes and serious considerations both welcome. Obligatory “it would suck”.

They’d be able to tell that the Death Star gets built, and I’m sure they’d figure out that it gets used. I’m not sure they’d guess that there are two Death Stars. The Mandalorian mentions that there are two Death Stars, but strictly in the ST, they never mention there being a second Death Star.

They would definitely write a Throne Room scene into their OT. Of the movies they’d watch, half of them have a Throne Room scene. The Rise of Skywalker even shows us the Emperor’s Throne, so they might correctly place it on the Death Star.

If they had any cultural osmosis from the OT, they’d know to make Luke’s parentage a twist. But if not, they probably wouldn’t assume to. From The Last Jedi, we know that Luke will redeem Darth Vader, foreshadowed in Revenge of the Sith. They might deepen that by having Obi-Wan explicitly train Luke from youth to defeat Darth Vader, especially since the prequels do little to lead into Luke being just a normal kid being raised by his aunt and uncle. Luke seeing the good in him might not come from realizing Darth Vader is his father, but in hesitating in his mission. As for Leia, I’m not sure what her story would look like in the OT at all. Like Luke, her relationship with the Organas is not really justified by the prequels so I doubt they’d come to the same conclusion about what that’s like for her. But she isn’t being hidden with a Jedi between the PT and OT, and we know from The Rise of Skywalker that she’s never trained as a Jedi in OT, so that isn’t what she’s going to be up to.

I bet they’d think that the OT is tonally more similar to the prequels, slower paced and with way more politics, and way more centered on Coruscant. Especially if they know that the ST was made after being sold to Disney. But even if they don’t, they might perceive the First Order blowing up the New Republic as a signifier of a tonal shift in the series. No more politics, full action adventure. This would also reframe the ST a little bit, instead of being a retread of the OT, resetting the status quo to A New Hope in The Force Awakens might come off like a massive power play that apocalyptically removes a huge element of the narrative and alters the tone of the story permanently. Chewbacca knows Yoda, so he’d probably have more of a connection with the Jedi than he does in the OT. Maybe he even already knows Luke before Episode 4.

I’m not sure what they’d do with Han. He’s back where he was in A New Hope as a smuggler, and they do explicitly call out that he’s gone back to his old ways. So they might make him into a criminal, who leaves his life of crime to join the Rebellion, but I doubt this would be the kind of arc it is in the actual OT. I doubt we’d see Jabba or expect any connection between him and Han, despite Jabba appearing in The Phantom Menace.

After the revolving door of villains in the PT, I doubt that Darth Vader and Palpatine would be the only Sith. We don’t see any of Dooku’s apprentices in the PT, but I think it’s reasonable to expect that Darth Vader would try to train an apprentice of his own. Maybe Darth Vader even dies before Episode 6 and we see Palpatine train another apprentice. Who knows.

What else?

Probably, but it’s a neat thought experiment or writing prompt for something along the lines of prequel rewrites from back in the day.

I watched the first two episodes when they dropped and I wasn’t super impressed. But I finished it the other day and I liked it a lot more. I didn’t like the two Jedi characters at first, but by the end of the series I thought they were great. It was really cool seeing them have to work together with Darth Maul, who himself works well in the anti-hero role. I’m curious where this show is going to go in Season 2. The only thing I’m worried about is that Darth Maul’s story is extremely constrained by canon.

I know what’s in the 1997 editions. I guess I misinterpreted the question. I’m not really sure what the point of doing a full restoration of specifically the '97 editions would be. There’s not a whole lot of footage that exists in '97 that doesn’t in the unaltered editions or the D+ versions. I guess it would be nice to have an officially released, ultra collector’s box set of each version of each movie. But I think that’s the only audience, and especially considering how little content there is in '97 that isn’t isn’t in '77 or D+, I can’t imagine why Disney would bother.

FWIW, it’s not lost media. Orphaned media maybe, but if you can still find SD VHS’s, and there are fan preservations online (like 4k97 and Harmy’s Respecialized Editions), it isn’t lost media.

I would have Darth Vader say “No, Luke, I am your father.”

Didn’t they get that treatment in 2017? Isn’t that what’s on Disney+?

Can’t say I agree that any Star Wars movie is as bad as World War 2

Not that I miss Starkiller or think he should be brought back, but it’s interesting that he’s one of the things Disney Star Wars is allergic to.

Just a few weeks ago nobody I knew even knew there was a Star Wars movie coming out so soon, but now all my coworkers and a lot of my family are talking about catching up on all the Disney+ shows to see the “Baby Yoda movie”.

He picked up smoking

Thank you very much! Yeah, part of the reason I even bothered trying this is because it’s animated. If this was live action, I likely would have just released this with the credits, despite how awkward it was.

Vladius said:

Reposting my previous post

It’s a small Star Wars fan editing site where the majority of its existence was about fixing the prequels, with attention to detail. It existed long before huge youtube video essays. This is a repository of evidence proving a point, the over-reliance on CG effects and the rushed nature of the movies.

I remember, I’m just not really convinced. This isn’t a constructive or fanedit-focused thread, so I don’t really see how it’s relevant that this site used to make prequel fix-it fanedits. It’s an argumentative thread, and it’s not very good at making its argument. I’m aware this website is older than huge youtube video essays, this thread isn’t though. Even if it was, I think it’s apt to compare the way it tries to make its argument, by sheer volume.

If this was just a hate thread I’d respect it more for being more honest, like the threads for shitty dialog on this forum. But it is trying to make a deeper point, and introduces itself as trying to set the record straight after ILM focused on the prequels’ part in the development of film making technology and not enough on how shitty the prequels are. Which is totally insane, by the way.

Spartacus01 said:

I’m not going to pretend the Prequel Trilogy didn’t rely too heavily on CGI or that there weren’t some pretty obvious misses in that department. We all agree on that point.

But honestly, this thread feels like it was designed just to slowly post every single frame from the trilogy one by one, nitpick something in each of them, keep going until there are no frames left, and then say, “See? We checked every frame and none of them are good. That proves that the Prequels suck.”

I genuinely don’t see what the point of this thread is supposed to be beyond that.

This is what I was saying before. This thread is a lot like these 12 hour long video essays which just list off tons and tons and tons of nitpicks without ever saying anything actually insightful about these movies. Even beyond just whether or not I agree or disagree with the point the thread is trying to make (whatever that is), compare it with Empire Wrecker’s “Why does Attack of the Clones look like a video game” video, which Jason cites in this thread. It has a lot to say about what was happening behind the scenes during the production of this movie, and isn’t just a big long list of snafus. The examples he does give provide holistic insight into what makes the movie feel the way it does, and are more often representative of problems throughout the whole movie. It isn’t just Obi-Wan’s lightsaber being color graded darker than it should be in one shot.

oojason said:

Even if you have an EFAP/CinemaSins level engagement in the media you consume, and the raw number of “sins” in a movie makes it worse, what makes seeing the Wampa puppeteer’s arm in ESB charming, the disappearing dagger in TLJ a hit below the belt, the crew member in jeans in Mando funny, but Padmé’s cable in TPM a “sin”?

Not to mention, like all of Jason’s tomes, this thread is full of QC errors of its own.

Most entries in this thread, especially from Revenge of the Sith, aren’t actually poor quality CG, or even a movie mistake or QC problem. Like the scene where Anakin just landed on Coruscant, or the opening long take. There’s nothing actually wrong with these scenes, and the latter features a pretty appropriate usage of CGI, even if I think the scene is very overrated. Tons of examples just vaguely gesture at the effect “looking like a video game”, which captures a true feeling for most of the prequels, even if they really don’t look like video games from 2026 let alone the 2000s. But… what about it specifically makes it look like a video game? Even if we’re just cataloguing shots and not trying to analyze them deeply, it’s unclear why many of these belong here.

You could call it padding for quantity over quality, but it seems more like Jason was flipping through some youtube video, saw a shot like this…

^ No, again, the above image is not from one of the video game tie-ins… or animated series - but from the film itself.

…and just makes a connection to this thread, saying…

This seems to be a theme, because it’s present in the Time Traveling revisionist thread. It’s full of bad sources, incorrect information, and tons of examples that have little to do with the supposed point of the thread. When this has been pointed out, rather than remove it or update the thread, he’s tended to double down.

NFBisms said:

Hypothetical villain Mon Mothma as a Robespierre or Stalin-type figure might work better than her having always been an imperial spy.

I like this idea but I’m still unsold on Mon Mothma being this character specifically

JadedSkywalker said:

SparkySywer said:

George Lucas’s ideas for the sequel trilogy were to focus on the reconstruction of the galaxy after the fall of the Empire. Although it’s not exactly the same, I think this lines up well with some ideas other people on this site have floated around, where the main conflict of the Sequel Trilogy is to prevent/contain a war before it becomes a galactic, existential crisis. In GL’s ST we might have seen the New Republic face similar stressors to what brought the collapse of the Old Republic, and prevail, demonstrating that the galaxy has grown and learned over the saga and that our heroes have brought about lasting change.

Here you don’t really need for there to be another BBEG. The story is no longer about a guy that has to be defeated for the galaxy to have peace. Bringing back Palpatine, or having Darth Plagueis or Mon Mothma be the villain of the ST all has the same problem, in different flavors. The ST’s story becomes based on how the heroes didn’t really defeat the bad guy yet, and there’s still a little more to go. This doesn’t work when for 32 years we’ve had a satisfying victory for the heroes. But making the ST about reconstruction in the aftermath of the BBEG getting defeated extends the story past Episode 6 more naturally without undermining it, and shows a clear narrative progression across all 9 movies.

I disagree George having Maul as the big bad and likely the new emperor is just as bad.

I don’t know if Darth Maul is meant to be the “big bad” in George’s ST. Maybe he is, he is a Sith master and a clear primary antagonist for the Jedi. But on the other hand, he’s more associated with the criminal underworld of the galaxy while the primary antagonistic force of the story are Imperial ideological holdovers, ex-Stormtroopers in militias refusing to give up like Ba’athists joining ISIS. Maybe they’re in league with each other, maybe Darth Maul takes control of these guys, or maybe they aren’t working together at all. Who knows, George Lucas never made this trilogy. There’s a bunch of different ways it could have played out.

What I was saying wasn’t that George Lucas’s ST pitch had it all figured out, or that if he or Michael Arndt realized it, it would’ve been the objective, correct direction for the sequel trilogy. So talking about midichlorians or prequel-isms is really beside the point. Bringing the conflict of the story in this direction means that the story doesn’t place as much emphasis on beating a new BBEG at the climax of the saga. All these other ideas: Bringing back Palpatine, Snoke or some other knockoff Palpatine, Darth Plagueis surviving, and Mon Mothma, all make the conflict into how the Rebels didn’t actually win in Episode 6, and now they have to win for real this time in Episode 9.

George Lucas’s ideas for the sequel trilogy were to focus on the reconstruction of the galaxy after the fall of the Empire. Although it’s not exactly the same, I think this lines up well with some ideas other people on this site have floated around, where the main conflict of the Sequel Trilogy is to prevent/contain a war before it becomes a galactic, existential crisis. In GL’s ST we might have seen the New Republic face similar stressors to what brought the collapse of the Old Republic, and prevail, demonstrating that the galaxy has grown and learned over the saga and that our heroes have brought about lasting change.

Here you don’t really need for there to be another BBEG. The story is no longer about a guy that has to be defeated for the galaxy to have peace. Bringing back Palpatine, or having Darth Plagueis or Mon Mothma be the villain of the ST all has the same problem, in different flavors. The ST’s story becomes based on how the heroes didn’t really defeat the bad guy yet, and there’s still a little more to go. This doesn’t work when for 32 years we’ve had a satisfying victory for the heroes. But making the ST about reconstruction in the aftermath of the BBEG getting defeated extends the story past Episode 6 more naturally without undermining it, and shows a clear narrative progression across all 9 movies.

IMO it’s a great line. The Rise of Skywalker is not going to waste time trying to convince you that bringing back Palpatine makes any sense. Because there is no way they could ever justify it. Audiences would totally see right though whatever bullshit explanation they could ever come up with. This is just the movie where Palpatine comes back. How did Palpatine come back? Somehow. You’re either on board with it or you’re not.

In that genre of Star Wars movie, Rogue One stands out for sure

It’s been about four months and I wanted to give a little update and have something to show for the time. I’m still working on polish, although I neglected to mention in the original post that almost all of the polish I’ve been doing is removing credits from over the Island Devils scene. It’s really tedious, but since this scene is over an hour and a half into the movie, I think it’s necessary for the edit to not come off as sloppy.

In this video you can see the progress I’ve made on that scene, and how much is left. Top is the newer version and bottom is what the scene looked like in 2022, audio is from the dub. At the pace I’ve been going at in the latest shot I’ve been working on, it might take me until mid spring to finish scrubbing credits… which I think is not an acceptable pace. But some of the remaining shots are really simple and don’t have as much movement over the credits, so that pace might not be accurate.

Feedback as always very appreciated. There’s a lot of clone stamp abuse. I’m not sure how consistent it came out. Absolutely everything outside this clip is 100% complete, this clip contains all the incomplete footage of the edit.

You can also see in that clip I extended the beginning a little. I like the track playing in this scene and I used the soundtrack to grab it rather than the TV show itself like I originally did. I like it, but it might be awkward without the Mikasa monologue from the original scene. Speaking of which, some of the polish I had to work on was improving the way I removed Mikasa’s monologuing over the Island Devils scene, which was really jank in the 2022 version of the edit.

As before, the 99% WIP version of the edit is available for anyone who’s interested. I’m excited to move on to the next movie, too.