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#1442221
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The Last Jedi: Stoic Edition (WIP)
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TestingOutTheTest said:

WIP: Luke deactivates his lightsaber immediately in the third flashback; he doesn’t realise Kylo is awake and hears it. VFX shot courtesy of SparkySywer.

Wait, did he actually complete the shot? I knew he had plans to make that edit a while back, but he actually finished it?

It’s on youtube if you want to see it. I don’t know if this is identical to what will be in TLJ: Stoic, because Faraday implied he’d be making alterations of his own, but this is what I gave him. Well, I gave a higher bitrate version of this.

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#1442076
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Stardust1138 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

It’s hard to say as Steven Spielberg said in a 90’s BBC special that part of George’s concept for the Prequels was the Sequels. He also slipped up in an interview during the lead up to Attack of the Clones where he mentioned story points in II have to connect with VII.

Sources?

“The challenge for me is telling a six-part story: so in Episode I there are things that I have to get in that refer to Episode VII… no, hang on, we’re not there yet. I mean Episode IV.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2002/may/15/news.seanclarke

Correction it was Episode I plot threads in Episode VII. It does show he had a plan of sorts. Nothing fully definitive but I can definitely see plot lines that tie into things he talked about for his Sequels. I think he always had a broad idea of where he wanted to take the story. It’s just the details that needed to be worked out. The Sequels were always less fleshed out then the Prequels.

As far as the Steven Spielberg (Rick McCallum too) bits:

https://youtu.be/jeVNa0cDOSk

3:42 minute mark.

That interview has him going on and on about how much he doesn’t want to make sequels. I think it’s fair to call it just a slip up.

Also worth noting he says stuff that we just know is false, like “[Revenge of the Sith] completes the saga as originally written.”

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#1442057
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Sparky, that is not a fair analogy. I was presenting an meme that illustrates my perception of Ric_Olie2’s argument, not of Ric_olie2 himself. Stop treating it like an ad hominem. I can repost the image with just the text and no wojaks if that helps.

It’s still “Heh, this meme is you! SmartphOWNED” regardless lol

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#1441980
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Ahsoka Tano - discussion
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The longer she lives, the worse she looks.

Especially because she’s apparently still alive during TRoS, according to Filoni. So… why isn’t she involved in the fight against the First Order? Who cares about Luke Skywalker vanishing when the main character of Star Wars according to the internet is still alive and kicking?

She was a good character in TCW and Rebels. She should have stayed there instead of being pushed to every corner of the Star Wars universe.

We also might have been spared of the worst episode of Mando if she died in Rebels.

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#1441933
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I abhor the "X undoes Y's accomplishments" criticism so much.
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yotsuya said:

NeverarGreat said:

That seems like a rather myopic way to view the conversation. The final few statements are broken into three distinct thoughts:

“When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be.”

“The Force runs strong in your family…pass on what you have learned.”

“Luke, there is another Skywalker.”

Each thought builds on the one before it, but it’s important to preserve the order of lines. Luke is being commanded to pass on what he has learned without first knowing that he has another living relative. It could be implied that Luke would pass on his knowledge to his children, or that his knowledge would lead to a ‘return of the Jedi’ in the galaxy like the title implies. Only after this order does Yoda drop the ‘other Skywalker’ bomb on him, so it stands to reason that this other would be among those Luke teaches but almost certainly not the extent of his obligation. I know I’d be pissed as a Force Ghost if my student just trained the secret twin and nobody else because of the letter of the order and not its spirit.

Yes, the order is important. He’s told to pass it on to family, not generally and then he is told there is another living Skywalker. The lines go together to say that Luke will be the last Jedi, and he has a living family member that Yoda wants him to train. Ben tells him that it is his twin sister Leia. There is not command to rebuild the Jedi. And we see in the TROS flashback that he did exactly that before he tried to start an Academy and teach others. Fans expected him to restart the Jedi and find and teach others. But that was not a goal in the OT.

Okay, sure, I can see how you can get that from those three lines in isolation, but it feels like a really weird time for Yoda to suddenly care a lot about the Skywalkers and the Skywalkers alone. It would be really weird if what Yoda really wanted was for Luke to train Leia, and then stop there, that’s it. It feels much more reasonable if “Pass on what you learned” doesn’t have a hidden “to Leia”. Leia is a jumping off point, she will be among the people he trains, not the only one.

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#1441256
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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TestingOutTheTest said:

Has anyone else made that argument on the board except you?

I kinda changed my mind on that?

You’re missing his point, nobody else really seems to be making this point, or at least it’s a very rare take. You’re arguing against a fictional position. I’m not sure anyone else has made that argument except you, although I’m not gonna say you’re the only one because that’s a quick and easy way to get owned.

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#1440886
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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jedi_bendu said:

The Rise of Skywalker - Look What You Have Made by Nerrel

Excusing the deliberately terrible thumbnail, this 40-minute critique of TROS is genuinely one the most intelligent and believe it or not, important video essays I’ve ever watched. It goes beyond complaining about the plot, having you understand the movie and why movies like it still get made. It has important thoughts about the current state and future of cinema in general, something that’s never really occurred to me before but which makes me very worried. Please watch!

Beware of spoilers for Colin Trevorrow’s Duel of the Fates and The Mandalorian season 2.

It is a very good video essay. If you’re gonna listen to some asshole youtuber talk about their opinions on Space Kino, this is the video you should watch.

TestingOutTheTest said:

It’s a jab at people acting like foreshadowing Palpatine’s return in TFA or TLJ would’ve destroyed the themes of hope or whatever.

I don’t know why you’re so hung up on that. It’s not like Palptine’s return not being foreshadowed was a creative choice, it’s because it’s some shit they came up with 10 months before the movie came out. If you’re talking about fanediting and just fanediting, you really gotta worry less about other people’s projects and their own creative decisions. There’s tons of ideas I don’t like that people incorporate into their fanedits. They can do whatever they want, even if it doesn’t appeal to me.

Regardless, I hope you know there’s a difference between retroactively altering a story and… releasing a third movie in a series that was always understood by literally everyone to be a trilogy.

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#1440885
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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NeverarGreat said:

Qui-gon’s explanation of the Force is one of duality; matter and energy, body and soul, mortal and God. A conduit, an intermediary, is required to bridge the gap and allow for a unification. It is a religious doctrine in keeping with the doctrinaire Jedi Order and its stratified system of authority and control.

Yoda dispenses with duality, implying that matter and energy are merely two appearances of the same essence. It is a spiritual teaching aiming at the highest truth, which is that all appearances of form and difference are merely shadows cast from the light of the eternal Force.

That’s a very interesting way to put it.

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#1440745
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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Spirituality, at least what I mean by it and what people mean when they criticize midichlorians for “demystifying the Force”, doesn’t really mean dealing with a higher power. There’s a materialistic explanation for the Force, the source of a Jedi’s power, and Anakin’s conception. Just because you can kind of squint your eyes and use a religious word to describe it (“God”) doesn’t mean that midichlorians aren’t totally material.

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#1440730
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:
made you look

It’s a symbiotic relationship

Sure, I dig that

and very spiritual.

A material explanation for how a Jedi gets their power is the polar opposite of spiritual.

The Midi-Chlorians and Force aren’t the same thing. It’s one of the biggest misconceptions.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Midichlorians-Are-Not-The-Force/id/84084/page/1#1415227

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#1440725
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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BedeHistory731 said:

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

Heck, I’d have loved a straight retcon of Midichlorians as a symptom of larger issues within the Jedi Order. Saying they were a bullshit idea the Order adopted in their decline as a means of selection for child abduction.

This fits in well with one of the themes of ANH of materialism vs spiritualism. It might be an interesting idea if the Jedi’s belief in midichlorians were a signifier of them leaning more toward materialism. If you lean into this enough you could make the case that the Jedi are only Jedi in name. Sure they run around the galaxy with laser swords, and they think they understand the Force (midichlorians), but they don’t have a connection to the spiritual.

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#1440713
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

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#1440547
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Worst Edit Ideas
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Ed Slushie said:

Eyepainter said:

JackNapier said:

Eyepainter said:

In the flashback sequence of The Last Jedi, have Luke straight up murder Kylo Ren in cold blood. Then, give no explanation for why Kylo is still alive in the present.

Essentially what happened in the “movie”

You mean to tell me Luke actually sliced off Kylo Ren’s head in the flashback all this time? Damn, I must be losing my memory.

Jack Napier lives in a society

Now yuo see…