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#269854
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269854/action/topic#269854
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Hey, adywan!
I’m really digging what you’re doing with this edition!
I’ve been blown away with the videos and pictures you’ve posted.
I loved the escape from mos eisley clip you posted! The new shots help sooo much!
I haven’t had anything worth posting for a while…until I started thinking about something…
Have you considered putting in a scene where Vader finds out about Luke?
I feel it is important to have this scene in ANH.

Some people have suggested to leave it as it is.
I think it depends on what you want to accomplish with your own edit.
If I recall correctly, you are (eventually) planning on playing around with all six films. And the things you have been editing and adding to ANH leads me to believe you want all six films to play even more seamlessly back to back…Even more so than Lucas. Well, that obviously brings Anakin closer to the foreground of the story. So we’re not just telling the story of Luke, but also the story of Anakin.

If that is the case, shouldn’t Vader finding out about his own son be a scene worth showing?
OK, Vader finds out between ANH and ESB.
Is it lame from the standpoint of the Star Wars Trilogy? No.
Is it lame from the standpoint of the Star Wars Saga? Yes!

I know some people are on board with the idea, but they would rather reuse the scene from ESB and tweak/edit it. I’m not a big fan of this idea. The main reason being that the only scene with the emperor (from ESB) would then be gone. Why remove the *only* emperor scene in The Empire Strikes Back?

And I understand everyone’s concern about fabricating an entirely new scene for *any* of the movies.
But after seeing what can be done by watching your edit, I feel this could and should be done.
However, we all know it’s pretty much impossible (even after watching what you’ve done) to insert a scene where Vader lands on Courascant (spelling?), talks with the emperor, and finds out about Luke.
But what if it happened on his TIE? We could have it happen right after the death star going boom.

Officer: “Lord Vader, we’ve just intercepted some data from the rebels on who single-handedly destroyed the death star. His name is Luke Skywalker.”
Vader: “Skywalker…”
Officer: “I will transmit the rest of the data to you and the emperor immediately…”
Vader: “No…I will deliver it to the emperor myself.”
Officer: ”As you wish, Lord Vader.”

Anyway, something like this. This basic information would need to be communicated in the scene.
It could be said several different ways. But the idea is for Vader to find out and let the audience believe he will tell the emperor, only to find out in ESB that he hasn’t. Plus it’s finally obvious in ESB that he’s lying to the emperor's face!

You could easily record a voice for the officer, but Vader’s voice could be tricky. You might be able to piece some lines together using existing dialogue-…actually, I guess that’s the only option. That, or if you could find a ridiculously good impersonator.

Now, just using existing Vader footage, reverse, slowdown, and/or rework it. If you need longer shots of Vader (because his inserts are pretty quick) in the latest version of adobe after effects you can slow any piece of footage down significantly without it looking like it.

For those who want a peak at it:
http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/newfeatures.html >> See it in action >> Timewarp.
It’s amazing! I wish I had the money for this!
(P.S. I haven’t checked that link in a while. I hope it still works.)

I don’t have daily internet access right now, so I won’t be able to check immediately, but please reply, adywan (and anyone else)…I’d like to read your thoughts!

Here are some mockup shots. I did the Courascant ones for fun:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/SSWR/ANH_Vader_01.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/SSWR/ANH_Vader_02.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/SSWR/ANH_Vader_03.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/SSWR/ANH_Vader_04.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/SSWR/ANH_Vader_05.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/SSWR/ANH_Vader_06.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/SSWR/ANH_Vader_07.jpg
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#265642
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265642/action/topic#265642
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I've been gone for a month or so (and I'm not sure how fequent it will be for a while), but I wanted to throw my 2 cents in...
And I'm gonna be quick...
First nigthclub scene: Just amazing! The editing, the Blade Runner clips, the ambiance...wow! I was entranced! And I actually liked the smoke shot you had at the end of the scene...although it would help if you could add the top of a building or something.

I never had a big problem with the voice, but the second take was much better on delivery!
Honestly, the sync problem bugs me the most. It's really close...but it's still not there.
My DVD player gets out of sync sometimes...it'll be off by a spilt second, but I know instantly when it happens. Something just feels off, ya know? So, I don't really have a solution to this, but I felt I should throw that out there.
I hate focusing on the negative... So I'll end on a positive note: I think this edit is gonna take fan edits to a whole new level!
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#261339
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261339/action/topic#261339
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...it may be valuable to establish that she's really a senator (you know, by seeing her in the Senate).
I agree with MTHaslett on this one...plus, if I recall, she's actually doing some decent acting in this scene...

The first thing I noticed, screening it, was how un-OT the preceeding "Clone Army" marching off to war scene was. That thing is a real killer because I find that to be the most obvious CGi in the movie. It's like watching a scene from Roger Rabbit to have to pretend Palpatine and those troops are really sharing the same space. The most crippling aspect, imho, is how the camera moves around so much-- those computer made mattes allow the camera to do things that weren't possible during the OT-- so we get stuck with footage that will never match (unless Trooperman pulls off some magic). Too bad there aren't static shots of those troops and ships. I think it would all look more real and feel more OT.

Wow! I couldn't agree more! I hate how the camera is constantly moving in the PT!
I wonder if by slowing the footage down (in this scene) just a bit it might give it more credabilty...? (and playing with the colors and levels too)

Solution? I say, edit out the awkwardness.

Again, I agree.
I guess this was a wasted post, since I never really offered any new info...but I think MTHaslett's post is very much worth considering!
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#259455
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Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259455/action/topic#259455
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Johnny Ringo, I'm curious, when do you plan to do your own TPM edit?
And not taking a cannon to the nuts!
Does he really? I never noticed that! Ha!
Yeah. Cut that out.
the sphere of a trade fed ship descend - ala geonosis

Yes! That could work very well! I like it! It would be "easy" to add in to the movie too.

As everyone can tell, I'm really into this edit at the moment. I would love to do my own someday, but I don't know if I'll have the time or money. That's why I love contributing in this way. I have no responsiblity!

Erikstormtrooper, I love alot of your ideas in your post. I actually took your outline and modified it to suit my own desires...for the moment.
I just might continue to modify it until we have the whole movie. I'd like to share it with all of you:

Opening Crawl. Jist: the Republic has abolished slavery. In protest, the Niemodian slavers have secretly prepared an attack on Naboo. The Jedi have come to settle some other dispute (?), but Nute orders the droids to kill them. Why? They can't know about this invasion. They would go report them to the republic. The Jedi find the invasion army and stow away on the ships.

Then, this happens: Clip 1 (droids landing and gungans reacting)

Nute tells droid (through hologram) to attack Naboo from the gungan side, enslave them first, then attack the Naboo.

Can we put the queen scene here (the one with Palpy on hologram)? I guess we can, we just have to cut a few things...like all of Palpy's lines!

This scene happens: Clip 2 (gungan watchs army approach through binoculars)

QuiGon saves Jar Jar (Binks says he was on his way to the battle, but now he wants to help the Jedi), and the three of them head toward Theed.

Meanwhile, the Gungans emerge from the swamp (let’s cut the fog). Nute activates the droid army, and the battle begins. (Obviously, we cut Binks out of the battle because he is with the Jedi.)

Another scene here? a Nute scene?

A separate droid army rolls on to Theed, takes the city, and captures the queen.

Gungans fight and lose to Droid army.

Show Jedi and Binks coming in the “back entrance” (the last shot from the deleted waterfall scene)

Nute mentions to the queen that the Gungans have been defeated and will be placed in concentration/slave camps. Nute says the Queen and her people are next.

Queen is lead away by droids. We have Jedi & Binks appear and save them. Jedi take the queen to her ship and get off the planet.

Nute contacts Maul to track the Queen. She is needed to sign a treaty that will enslave her people.

Tatooine stuff (a whole other ball of wax).

Coruscant stuff (eh...)

They return to Naboo and have their briefing. The plan is to storm the city and capture Nute. Binks and some gungans will attempt to save a few more gungans at the concentration camps. At the same time, the pilots will disable the droid control ship. Why are they disabling the ship? As a backup, if the attempt to capture Nute fails, and, of course, to free the Gungans.

Should Binks go talk to Boss Nass (who can be in hiding in the sacred place)?

End battles play out pretty much as usual. Qui-Gon dies first. Queen is captured next. Anakin ends up in TF ship. Things are looking really bad at this point. The only thing that can save them is the force. Then Qui-Gon, already dead, uses force talk to help Anakin destroy the control ship (just like in ANH).

Ship blows up, droids are disabled, and gungans are freed.

Palpatine's shuttle arrives and Nute is escorted away.

Show gungans celebrating with clip of ROTJ SE DVD (I believe we need to see *some* kind of victory. I think this is the best way to do that).

Yoda talks to Obi Wan (but maybe this can be cut). Funeral scene (Obi Wan mentions that he will train Anakin). Last shot is everyone facing camera with Qui-Gon burning in the middle.

Iris out to end credits.
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So, there it is...for now. Let's add and change it up.

OK, I don't know if the video clips links are working or not...the links were giving me trouble. But you should be able to find them either way from the link that is there...
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#259402
Topic
Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259402/action/topic#259402
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Alright, Erikstormtrooper, Commander Courage, MTHaslett, Johnny Ringo, Dantha Fodder...great comments and observations!
I'm not even sure where to begin!
Alot of great thoughts to think about!

But I think I'll start with the gungans.
This MUST be figured out before anything else...*I* think.
So, first, IF we use the briefing scene, take a look at the background...gungans! So we can't kill them ALL off.
Second, I really like the idea of concentration camps, but it looks as if there is only one shot in the movie that really shows this idea (the one with the droids leading the gungans with their hands up).
AND it seems like there won't be a good way of roto-ing anyone out of those frames.
So, with that in mind, chew on this idea:
Sometime, before the all the fight scenes at the end, we establish that the gungans are being enslaved (like Erikstormtrooper suggested) and are going to be loaded onto the TF ship.
That's why the gungans are in the big clearing. Some ship is going to land there and the gungans will be loaded onto it (the shot of the gungans with their hands in the air).
Jedi fight, Anakin flies, Queen does her thang, and Jar Jar (with a few other gungans-...maybe tarples?) go to try and free as many gungans as they can at the concentration camps.
Now, obviously, you would have to manipulate some of the shots to make this work...like roto Jar Jar out of some earlier scenes so he could actually achieve this goal...hmm.
I'll put some more thought into this...

Oh, and another thought on that: Jar Jar could be more heroic in this scene by having him release those blue ball things onto the droids...?

Thoughts please!
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#259318
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259318/action/topic#259318
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I'm sorry I wasn't able to contribute to the harddrive. At the moment, I don't have a way of sending or spending online.
But thanks for posting the new trailer! AMAZING STUFF!!!
You're probably tired of hearing it, but the cantina is freaking awesome! Greedo is now emoting! I can't believe it!
This is just making me more excited...not only about this release, but once you get to ROTJ! This will do wonders for the ewoks!

The battle droid is a great touch...the pink sky is gone!...3PO coming up the stairs...brilliant! Jump cut is much better! DS looking good...torture droid is fun...honestly, too many things to mention!

I will throw a couple of thoughts your way:
-Mos Eisley...In that first shot of the speeder...I would try and play with that shot a little more like tweaker said, but I would also try and play with the colors some more...it looks like there's too much red in the picture...

-the first alien you see in the cantina...I noticed you did manipulate his expressions a bit...but I would put in an eyeblink too. A couple more eye blinks on some of the other aliens (like the Greedo blink) would be nice...*I* think (like the mouse).

Again, I love what's happening with this scene! Walrus man...his squinty look at Luke is great! And the duros (or whatever they're called) look awesome in their closeup!

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#259124
Topic
Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259124/action/topic#259124
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Well, I think Anakin needs SOMETHING to do. I think he could still blow up the ship (as Ith has said before)...but does he disable the droids?
If so, what footage do we use to show this happening to the droids?
Do we use the original footage that includes the gungans?
If so, why are the gungans there? Are they fighting the droids again?
Or is it possible to rotoscope a few droids out of that scene and put them elsewhere?
If so, where? In the throne room?

Lots of questions...

OK, so I was going back re-reading some of the thread when I saw that the gungans are supposed to be dead (according to an earlier post by Ith) by the end of the film-...I guess, except Jar Jar.
I'm not sure it's a good idea to kill ALL of them off. Not sure if I could really say why...it's a bold idea...
Actually, I thought maybe you were planning on the TF capturing the gungans and using them as slaves (looking at the new crawl).
Another random thought: A good way to have a celebration (without using the one currently in TPM) at the end of the film (ala ANH) would be to use the Naboo shot used in ROTJ SE DVD.
OK, I'm done for now!
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#258890
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Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258890/action/topic#258890
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Someone mentioned earlier that the whole bongo scene can be removed, and I like this idea. However, filmically, I think the audience needs to see the Gungan city so that they have some empathy with the Gungans (and have met them in a quasi-intelligent capacity) before the battle.

OK, I hope my reasoning makes sense.
So, to be honest, I think I'm kind of against this idea. I never would have thought I'd want to cut any of that...I love the gungan city and the sea creature chase!
But, now, I'm thinking it's better out. For one thing, It'll help speed up the trip to Anakin. I think this is probably the most important concept.
But I also don't think we need to go to the city because, at least for me, it doesn't really create any empathy...well, maybe it does...but do you really need to know the gungans that well?
The one we need to know about is Jar Jar-...
Maybe I'm picturing this edit differently.
My idea (if you were to use my video clip concepts) is that the gungans are there when the droids land. We meet Jar Jar too. A little later, the gungans battle the droids. The battle takes place before Tatoonie...maybe. After that, the gungans really don't show up again-...which, now that I think about it...that doesn't make much sense. You need some kind of closure with the gungans. But since I *think* you're cutting the end celebration, what fate will the gungans have? I guess my other question would be: are the Naboo and the gungans friends or enemies?

It also allows Jar Jar to come out of the swamp later and comment something like "a massacre... they're all dead!", just before the raid briefing scene.

I think without seeing any battle in the underwater city, what's the point of having JarJar mention it?
As I understand it, by this point in the movie, we've seen the gungans battle the droids and lose...right?
Plus Jar Jar doesn't seem too upset if it were a massacre...
Also, another thought: do we NEED the briefing scene? I guess a briefing scene is normal for star wars...it just doesn't have much...gusto.
Plus, does that mean you have to cut out the talk about the gungans fighting the droids? Or do they fight them again?

There's a few things to chew on...
Just bringing thoughts to the table, Ith!
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#258636
Topic
Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258636/action/topic#258636
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Alright, I’ve been working on this idea on and off for a few weeks now…
I’d call this an animatic, since these videos only consist of stills and audio from TPM…
The purpose of these two clips is:
1. To be useful for Ith’s edit with the gungan battle on Naboo.
2. Trying to use footage in other places so we don’t have an 80 minute TPM.
I should also mention that some of the ideas are able to be achieved ONLY if you can slow/massage the original TPM footage.

Let’s look at the first video:
Clip 1
So this would be a new intro for the gungans and Jar Jar. You could throw Boss Nas in there if you want saying “Who’s a dis?”, but I decided to leave him out. Heck, in this version, you probably wouldn’t have to have Boss Nass in the movie at all.
I like this version because you now see some of the creatures from Naboo REACTING to the invasion!
Also this version would allow us to not even bother going to the gungan city at all. We basically show Jar Jar leading the Jedi to the palace on foot (this is also something I’m working on). So yeah, no gungan city, and no bongo ride.

Second clip:
Clip 2
Following this clip, you could then cut the gungan battle together with the queen being captured and the Jedi arriving. The great thing about this idea is that in this timeline, Jar Jar is with the Jedi, so he can’t be in the battle at all!

The hardest part would be figuring out what to do with the Padme/Queen subplot. Because if you go with these ideas, you wouldn’t have that scene (where she reveals herself to everyone) in the movie at all.

So, these ideas are not completely fleshed out…and some of the shots might be difficult, but I think it could really be worth it.
I’d love to hear some thoughts…

Ith, if you're there, I'd love to hear from you too!
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#257401
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257401/action/topic#257401
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Trooperman! sweet stuff! I like both clips but I'm really impressed with the second!
The new lines for Anakin (espicially his "eh!" line) really add some spunk to Anakin that was missing! And dusk looks really cool!

The garage scene looks a little funky...mainly because Hayden is being much louder in the scene which makes his mouth open much wider.
But I think that after watching it a few more times, it looks more natural.
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#255564
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255564/action/topic#255564
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Hey, Trooperman, I can't remember...is Jar Jar speaking english in your version? I seem to recall he is...
I'm wondering because I'm looking at TPM for Ith's edit and wondering what Jar Jar will sound like (if he's modeling his edit after yours)...


Oh, and I hope I didn't open a can of worms when I suggested that the DVD cover look more OT! I hope I didn't offend you, klokwerk!
But the stuff your cranking out is great! I DO think THX is on to something though...
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#255562
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255562/action/topic#255562
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I'll still be bouncing my ideas off you all. I just thought that posting so many clips would probably spoil the whole surprise element of the new edit, plus rendering the clips to post is taking time away that could be better spent on finishing the movie ( its taking hell of a lot longer than i first thought). Everyones input and ideas have been invaluable for this edit and i am very grateful. I couldn't have done even half the stuff without you guys.
I'm glad we've helped! And I understand why you wouldn't post more clips...I just love clips!

I would suggest leaving the planet as a Generic planet somewhere out in space. This, to me, would effect the story of Star Wars the least and make the change more about visuals rather than about rewriting the story.

I think I'm with Dan on this one...but I also agree that it looks similar to Alderaan...not sure if that's really a problem, though...hmm
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#255328
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255328/action/topic#255328
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Wow! adywan!
OK, first off...

Audio: excellent! Darth sounds amazing! the EQ sounds better over all...

New DS approach: HOLY COW! Just amazing! This should have been here a long time ago! I dig the planet, I dig the scale (yeah, maybe check on those SD), I dig the music!
Of course, a few "nitpicks": you might consider reducing the number of ties in that first shot of the DS. I was blown away by the entire shot, but I didn't know where to look at first...I think the DS should be the focus.

Music: the piece when Vader says "I find your lack of faith disturbing" is freakin' awesome! chilling!

Question: did you trim a few frames from the conference scene? some shots seem shorter...?

Pic of droids going down below: finally! no more pick blob!

Again, just amazing work! I keep watching this clip over and over!

Also, if this is one of your last clips to show all of us, obviously, I'm sad.
BUT don't be afraid to bounce ideas off of us...hopefully our nitpicking has helped and not hendered your progress!
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#255005
Topic
Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255005/action/topic#255005
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Ah, well, I figured if we could look at this raw edited scene, we could come...to...some...kind...of...conclusi-...No, I just really love it when people post video clips!

I've been looking at all the Naboo footage from TPM...trying to come at it from a different angle (invasion and gungan battle taking place early in the film)....
Ith, any more detailed thoughts on that part of the film?
I've come up with a few ideas...but I'll massage them a bit more before I post them...