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#292945
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292945/action/topic#292945
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"Before the PT I had no problem believing that Obi-Wan knew how to come back as a force ghost."

Well, I suppose the problem started with Qui-Gon.
The question becomes "Why doesn't Qui-Gon come back in the same way that the Obi does in ESB and ROTJ?"
In fact, why doesn't ANY Jedi show up later in ANY of the films?

"There is no need to explain anything about the force ghost or mention Qui-gon. It dumbs down the Force for the audience, and makes it less mysterious."
I guess I disagree here. Midichlorians dumbed the force down. Returning in qhost form is interesting.

"Let the audience draw their own conclusion as to why Jedi can come back as force ghosts."
But that's the problem. Out of hundreds of Jedi we see in the saga, only 3 return? The questions is "why?"
I personally think that is something that needs to be explained.

"This would remove the need to insert and mix dialogue from other films that does not sound good and stands out very badly."
Ouch. The clip Good Musician posted was (he said so in the same post) raw and unfinshed.
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#292888
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292888/action/topic#292888
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"As I said in a few posts back, I'm trying to create a similar conversation to what was in the original scene.."
-Oops! I'll go take a look over at T-bones site!

"I kinda want to re-watch episode I and III and see if there isn't any more dialogue that I could insert for Yoda. I think I got most of what Qui-Gon has said... your idea of using Yoda's Line "How can this be?" would be a good idea... but I don't recall it lol... where in Episode II is it?"
-It's the scene where Yoda's teaching the younglings.

"I guess my whole thing with the clones was maybe to Show Yoda's distrust that he was the chosen one... to bring balance to the force... The Clones represent the opposite... that things went out of whack... and that Sidious gained power instead of losing it."
-Hmmm...the idea is nice...I must admit that it didn't occur to me when watching it. But I also know you're not done with it.

"As for "ruining" an iconic moment from the PT, I kinda take offense to that lol... I mean... I kinda liked it after I saw it... ... but maybe I'll put it as I'd had it before..."
-I'm sorry, Good Musician. Please don't take offense. "Ruining" does sound harsh. I just meant it is a very iconic shot from ANH. I personlly thought it was overkill when Lucas reused it in ROTS. Ya know, Lucas trying all that he could to tug on our heart stings. I did, however, like the mirror image he created in AOTC.
But, again, that's just my one and only opinion. Thanks for reading.
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#292881
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292881/action/topic#292881
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Alright! This Yoda/Qui-Gon scene has potential! Let's chat...

The dialogue that you've patched together works really well!
When I watched your clip, I didn't want the scene to end! I really miss Qui-Gon from the PT and it was cool to have him "back".
The line "You still have much to learn, my apprentice." Doesn't work as well, in my opinion.
I guess having Qui-Gon call Yoda "apprentice" is odd. I guess I can't really say why. I just don't think of Yoda as an apprentice.
Could it be "You still have much to learn, old friend." Or "...master Yoda."?
Yeah, I would take a listen to Batman Begins and see what might work there.
I would encourage you to try and extend the dialogue between the two...it's just so cool!
This idea just came to me:

Qui-gon: "He IS the chosen one."
Yoda(from ATOC): "How can this be?"

I liked SOME of the cutting back and forth between Yoda and the visions, but it was slightly over done.
I'm also not sure about some of the clips:
Clones: Why clones?
Padme: We're gonna see her in a sec.
Luke: Let's not "ruin" the iconic shot from ANH.

"Also, do you guys think I should pull that short clip of the skiff flying away from Mustafar (the unused one). I tried extending it but it got all weird and blurry... I kinda like that shot..."

Yes, I would cut it. But if you feel it should stay, you should at least flip the shot for screen directions sake.

Gotta go!

Again, great stuff! Please continue!
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#292744
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292744/action/topic#292744
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It would have made more sense to leave Yoda out of the PT completely.
I mean, how great of an introduction do we get for Yoda in ESB?
Then, we meet him again-...for the "first" time in the PT, and what do we get?
Almost a parody of what he was in ESB! Heck, that's almost the case in ROTJ...

It would have made more sense to have him mentioned as being on some far off planet where every Jedi went to take the trials (Great idea from someone on these boards...I forget who! Sorry!).

Lucas decided to bring back almost EVERY character from the OT into the PT and now, watching them in order, you get almost ZERO new characters in 4,5, and 6. Which, of course, makes it a very small universe.
We didn't need Jabba, Boba, Chewy, Yoda...the only ones that really needed to return would have been Obi, Anakin, and Palps.

OK, that was a random rant!
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#292669
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292669/action/topic#292669
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I figured I'd throw a new version out there incorperating some of the new ideas we've tossed out...
Again, it's very very rough...in fact, the second half with Obi picking up the saber is extremely rough. There needs to be a few more shots incorperated into it. I wish there were some shots of the lava bank without Anakin smoldering. That would be ideal.
Then, you could make it seem as though Obi came down to the bank to see if he could find Anakin, but all he found was his saber.
That is what I'm trying to get across in this edit......

AnakinFallsAndObiSearches
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#292636
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292636/action/topic#292636
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Great idea about the cut away, Good Musician!- as long as it's possible...

jedi_jra,
I'm glad you were able to make use of my edit...and the music...
I'm still wondering if there is enough footage to really make this thing work...

Oh! Just had a thought: It would be nice to maybe have Obi yelling "Anakin!" (from the line: Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!) as if he's trying to tell him to hurry or something.
Maybe we only hear "Ana-" and then you start to hear the big falling arm off screen.
The shot would have to be flipped (screen direction, you know) but you wouldn't be able to tell...
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#292397
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292397/action/topic#292397
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Excellent clip, Good Musician!
I don't know if you're looking for comments on changes, but I thought I'd throw out a few...

1) I moved an establishing shot from Episode II of Padme's Residence to the beginning of this sequence, cutting into the normal film late in, just enough to show the pramanade.

The AOTC clip worked well, however, the shot of the pramanade went by so quick it was very jarring. I think you could easily leave the shot out all together.

2) Instead of cutting to Mustafar as Obi-Wan enters his ship, it cuts back to a shot of Padme sitting on the couch, her head hanging.

This works extremely well. However, going back to the shot of the pramanade is, again, very jarring. Why is Obi's ship just sitting there? I think it works well to end the scene with the shot of Padme. We see her thinking about all that Obi Wan has told her, and then, in the very next scene, we see what she has decided to do.

4) As the ship exits frame, I insert 2 new shots:
- The first from Episode III during the exchange between Padme in her residence and Anakin in the Jedi Temple
- The second from Episode I showing the elapse of time
(The film then cuts back in at the establishing shot of the Senate Building)

These shots flow into each other well. It feels very natural. Nicely done!

10) I cut the line "You cannot stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than you or I etc." through to Yoda's line about having too much faith in his apprentice and the dark side.

Yes yes! Moving straight to the fight actually works better in this case. I wish there was a way to take out Yoda's flip...

I enjoyed everything else you did in the edit...some stuff I didn't even noticed until I came back and read this thread. Again, excellent! Can't wait to see part 2!
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#291152
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/291152/action/topic#291152
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"Dooku tears the object off of the wall and throws it at Anakin. You see the object fly towards the camera, you cut to Dooku, and then you see Anakin on the ground (implying that the object hit Anakin). It just doesn’t work well- it leaves you feeling cheated and makes it feel like a fan-edit. If Dooku hit Anakin with the object, you want to see the object hit him. At the very least you want to see Anakin fall to the ground. But the Anakin falling shot also contains the force lightning. It’s just not in the style to imply something as critical as that and not even show it. And yeah, the smoke is annoying, but if that’s the only continuity error, I can live with that."


Well, it still could be simliar...
-Dooku tears the object off of the wall (with yellow sparks and yellow electricity added) and throws it at Anakin.
-You see the object fly towards the camera (with a few trails of electricity added)
-You cut to Dooku
-You see Anakin fall to the ground with the object also falling, somewhat obscuring him, with trails of electricity(the force lightning that couldn't be removed could be tinted yellow).
-the smoke in the shot could be construde as dust from the object...?

Did that make sense?
I'll try again:
Try and remove all force lightning from the shot, but what can't be removed could be construde (if tinted yellow and/or white) as the electricity from the object.
Maybe?
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#290247
Topic
.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/290247/action/topic#290247
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Pretty cool, Tellen! It's hard for me to choose which I like better.
I would've told you (once the SE came out) that I liked the new shot better...but now I'm not sure.
I don't like (in the SE) how close you are to seeing Luke moving around in his cockpit...not sure why...
I guess we never see anything like that in the rest of the OT. Maybe that's why I don't like it...it's not consistant...?
The movement in both of your shots are nice, though!
Maybe the second shot would look better if the camera was further away? But what do I know?
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#288463
Topic
ROTJ: Fan-O-Matic! 3 new clips!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288463/action/topic#288463
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"I'm a dunce at surround-sound editing, but if you or someone can get that line of Threepio's into the surround mix, I'd use it whenever I get around to ROTJ."

I pretty sure it's possible...
...I seem to remember a website where you could download all the radio dramas...?

"Also, do you think the scene where Leia meets Wicket could be safely removed altogether? That way we don't know what happens to her, and the Ewoks are first revealed when the gang are trapped in the net."
Oh yes, this scene has to go.
And I've watched ROTJ without that scene and it works perfectly fine.
Since that scene is gone in my version, I've added Liea behind the giant tree shooting at the scout bike into the final endor battle. It gives Liea a little more to do...which is good.
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#288449
Topic
ROTJ: Fan-O-Matic! 3 new clips!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288449/action/topic#288449
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Thanks bkev!
I'm a little surprised I didn't get more of a response from my last post...
Was my last clip a little over the top? Too implausable? Too different?

Anyway, I thought I should post another clip to see what everyone thinks.

Setting: Ewok Village.
link

To start with, I cut out almost every ewok close up in the scene. I left one or two because the scene seemed to call for it. With simply removing those shots, it was already much better. The scene now feels a little more chaotic...

R2 is now released early for 2 reasons:
1) I remember hearing about the radio drama dialogue and liked it.
2) If you didn't already notice, in the original cut, R2 goes from bound to loosed to being bound to being loosed again.

Then I decided to rearrange some shots I felt were out of place.
In my edits, I've been trying to bring Liea's acting up a notch when possible.
While still not great, it now feels a bit more natural...

I've thought about trimming it a bit more...thoughts?
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#288407
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288407/action/topic#288407
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Well, thanks for checking it out, adywan. I'd thought the people in the background were to far away to tell, but...I just wish there was something that could be done with that shot...
Maybe you could create a new shot using elements from TPM?
Whatever you choose to do (something or nothing) will be fine. I just can't wait to see the finished product!


"Also its looking like that horrible model shot of the death stars surface when luke blasts at it will ahve to stay too. I've become totally stuck as to what to do here."
--Dang! There has to be somthing...Maybe adding the inside of Lukes cockpit would help?
--cbaka and vbangle have good suggestions as well...

"I've tried using HDTV footage from Jedi for the surface and added lukes X-wing diving in whilst blasting away..."
--Sounds interesting...Since you're not using that shot, you wanna post it?
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#288228
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288228/action/topic#288228
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Alright, Adywan, it's time for another crazy idea from SSWR! ;P

So the SE entrance to mos eisley works to some extent, right?
Well, there's been one shot that has bugged me for quite some time.
It's the shot of the droid smacking the floating droid, and the camera then follows the speeder to reveal the rest of the city.
This is not about the droid crap (thank you for removing it!).
It makes since that Lucas added this particular shot. It's a nice entrance to the city. It lets the audience know where they are.
But someone once pointed out to me that the camera move would not have been possible back in '77.
Well, maybe not impossible, but it certainly would not have been as smooth a tracking shot as the SE shot has made it.
That shot takes me out of the movie, because it's so fast and so precise!
And, then, of course, the CGI is pretty darn bad…

So...with that being said, here’s something I stumbled onto:
mosshotidea

Here’s what I did:
I reversed, flipped, and slowed down the shot.
I had originally planned to simply slow the footage. But I continued to play with it and this is what I came up with.
Maybe this is just me, but the overall staging and movement is much better.

Here are some obvious problems and possible solutions with this shot idea:
1. The speeder is backwards
Well, the original speeder would have to be painted out and then replaced. If you could find a shot of the speeder from the right angle it might work.
The speeder IS pretty far away...it might work. Maybe you could get tellen to make you a model of it…?

2. The smoke in the bg is reversed
Paint it out? Overlay it with new smoke elements?

Maybe this is too ridiculously hard to do. But, again, I felt I should throw it out there. Thanks for listening to me babble!
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#287776
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287776/action/topic#287776
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Adywan! This new clip is most impressive!
I can’t tell you how excited I am!

I’d like to point out some of my favorite moments:

- Modified shot of xwing lifting forward and it’s “feet” retracting! It’s so seamless! This type of stuff just makes it easier to immerse oneself in the movie!

- The “Luke, the force will be with you.” Shot is also a welcome shot. I remember the first pass you did on this shot…this new one is even better!

- The newly edited “Stand by alert” segment works very well also! That never would’ve occurred to me to try different/alternate shots in those scenes…

- I am also wondering why the “All wings report in.” shot is flipped…? Screen direction is very important-…as I’m sure you know!

- Every shot you’ve added the red planet too…a simply wonderful and logical thing to do!

- The battle is actually (I hate to admit after all these years) making some sense! Originally, the beginning of the battle was kind of confusing. Of course, I’m assuming Lucas intended that. But you’ve cleared some things up for me now (such as where certain pilots are).

- About the temp shot after “This is red five, I’m goin’ in.”. I hope you’ll be able to make that shot more convincing. They look terrible compared to everything else!

I hope that encourages you to press on!
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#287178
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287178/action/topic#287178
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"It's a good idea SomethingStarWarsRelated but , after playing about with some tests after seeing your post, it would be a nightmare to pull off. If you look at all the shots of Vader inside his cockpit then you will see that thay are all taken from and angle. either from below or to the side and there are none taken from directly in front, which i would need a shot like that to be able to pull something like this off. I guess i could use footage of vader from a different scene, recolour it and try and piece the background from other shots but it would be so hard. Even with the HD version the zoom in would be so much & so fast that it would look terrible. Oh, well. It was still a good suggestion."

Ah! Too bad. Yeah, I didn't really give any thought to the shots of Vader being from different angles...
Why do you suppose it was filmed that way to begin with? You would think it would've been easier and saved time to keep the camera stationary...?

By-the-way
Happy Birthday! This edition will be a nice birthday present to...yourself!
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#287155
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287155/action/topic#287155
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"Might be possible if you took that shot from the 1080i hd version and then downscaled to standard def, might give you enough resolution to do that big of a blow up/with motion blur of course....."

That might work...wait-... is there a large picture of Vaders TIE in that scupting a galaxy book?
That might be a good source for several ships...
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#287152
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287152/action/topic#287152
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It's been a while since I've posted in here, but I've been following the thread closely!

adywan, I've had this idea for combining two shots in the end battle.
This shot idea may have occured to you as well:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/SSWR/TIEZOOM.jpg
What if you were to add Vader INTO the exterior shot of the TIE and basically "zoom" into the cockpit shot?

Just kind of a wild idea I've had...Lucas did a similar shot in ROTS...

Also, back when we were all discussing the possible new Vader-post-death-star-scene...
I just wanted to know if you have tried playing around with that idea again...?