SomethingStarWarsRelated

JediMasterFisher said:

Monroville said:

Bingowings said:

Here are a couple of mockups showing Bail Organa's ship landing on Dagobah.

This would serve two purposes, now Yoda doesn't have to hide his escape pod in the swamp (he just walks down the ramp) and it explains why Luke finds the place so familiar (he was born there and not on some fancy asteroid base in the middle of nowhere):

Really cool!  But if you can (if you or someone manages to make the scene) please do it similar to the Falcon approach to Yavin 4 (as in: we see it head to Dagobah, it flies over the shroud of fog and the following shot is it already landed above.  Please, no more PT landing shots... <:( )

 

ok this NEEDS to happen.

Before Episode III came out I was really looking forward to seeing them land on Dagabah and even see luke and leia born there. The line Luke said when he was there about "something fimilar about this place" I always though ment he was born there. when I found out he and leia were born on as asteroid I was very mad at this. Please someone MAKE THIS CHANGE!!!!!!!!

 

Yes Bingowings! This is genious! Why has noone thought of this before?

So are we saying here that Padme gives birth here? If so, then where is this medical station? We could just say it's on the ship...? If so, why bother landing? Hmmm...this HAS to work! :D

Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?

And I agree with everyone else that there's too much ship landing in the PT. Only when needed for story or establishing shots.

Bingowings said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

Further to my comment earlier I've amended the haunted hut scenerio a bit.

When Luke lands Threepio (who has been left with the Falcon) says something along the lines of "Master Luke, I tried to stop them...."

To which he says something like "Oh no...Leia!". (I'm sure something along those lines can be sampled from other sources).

The Hut scene plays out in the evening as he has been planning his rescue plan for the rescue plan that's already gone wrong and Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience....

 

 This looks more promising!

But what do you mean: "Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience...." What dialouge?

He explains that Leia is his sister and Vader's daughter.

Anakin put his fear of losing Padme before his head and falls, Luke put his fear of losing his friends at Cloud City and almost falls, Leia is putting her fear of losing Han before everything and get's captured.

The family tree has more than strength in the Force running through it (something that is played up again when Vader uses it as a trigger to almost turn Luke).

 

Oh I understand...I thought you were referring to some other dialouge that might actually use the words "Liea's lack of patience". Nevermind! :D

ben_danger said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knAtC8lxQJg

 

it has some clips in, but really bad quality. interesting material though!

 OK, something has just dawned on me while watching this again.

I *think* THIS was the original ending for AOTC. Yes, they would've chased Dooku and battled him but that would've been it! And you'll notice that no CLONES are in this video.

Here's a lovely quote regarding the first clone war battle:  "...we bypassed storyboards altogether and went straight into animatics." - Rick McCallum

Why no storyboards? Because Lucas decided to change the ending of the movie last mintue! It would have been a rehash of TPM ending so he changed it.

So *IF* I'm right (had Lucas contiuned with his original plan) Yoda never would've showed up with the clones at all! Interesting...

I *think* there's another quote of McCallum talking about Geogre coming in one day and saying something like "what if Yoda showed up last minute?" I don't know for sure...I'll try and find it....maybe on the commentary...

Bingowings said:

Further to my comment earlier I've amended the haunted hut scenerio a bit.

When Luke lands Threepio (who has been left with the Falcon) says something along the lines of "Master Luke, I tried to stop them...."

To which he says something like "Oh no...Leia!". (I'm sure something along those lines can be sampled from other sources).

The Hut scene plays out in the evening as he has been planning his rescue plan for the rescue plan that's already gone wrong and Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience....

 This looks more promising!

But what do you mean: "Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience...." What dialouge?

ben_danger said:

got carried away.

 

had a tinker with obiwan/jango fight in geonosis.

 

though one thought is to maybe have this scene as he is approaching kamino, as if they are protecting the secret from him.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VASUJhw-qOc&feature=channel_page

 I'm digging your style ben_danger...I think we're on similar wave lengths :)

Ya know what might help this fight? IF Jango were to be redubbed you could add him saying a thing or two to Obi over the intercom thingy (like in ROTJ)...

Man, I still hate alot of those CGI shots in this film...the camera and the ships are zooming around all over the place...there's no real weight to them...IMHO  :D

BarBar Jinkx said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

-Tried making Anakin a likable guy.

-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.

-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.

-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...

Just had a thought, now that the scene of yoda looking at Palps with the "what you up to?" look

put it later on when they are discussing the emergency powers amendment in his office

 I actually made a version of that some time ago. If that shot of Yoda gets used...I think that would be a good place...

ben_danger said:

meh, were both british. just seen it though, its really great! i could imagine the explosion being huge, but only if we had perhaps seen a montage of similar terrorist attacks. maybe padme's could included, but we assume that she is blown up in the ship.

 

the dooku hologram is pretty cool! in regards to alternative dialogue for the RoTS possible dooku/sidious opening, perhaps something from the clone wars could be used.

 

another thought too, in regards to dookus name, how many time is 'dooku' actually mentioned throughout he whole film? if its not many, then perhaps changing wouldnt be too hard?

 Glad you liked it!

A montage might be possible...or maybe that could be described in the opening crawl? It would obviously be better if shown though....speaking of the opening crawl...what do you think it should say as far as the seperatists are concerned?

Yeah, I guess I should get around to seeing the clone wars movie  :P

Oops! In my youtube video I credited Bingowings...Sorry ben_danger! For some reason I got your names mixed up in my head! :D

ben_danger said:

well AOTC could be like the Prisoner of Azkaban of STAR WARS. without voldemort (sith subplot) the characters all evolved a little, and it was like the intermission before thngs started getting darker. also in ROTS, if the jedi are percieved to be becoming corrupt, palaptine springing the sith on anakin could perhaps seem like a positive thing? (i think ID was talking about this earlier)

id like to see all the PT sabers turned to blue for jedi (just thought to mention that again for the hundredth time) if dooku is rogue, then i guess he could take any colour, but blue may be used. i liked him with yellow in magnolia fan's edition. maybe we should make a screenshot gallery of his many sabers.

an alternative is have dooku as a sith, but not revealed in AOTC, perhaps by shifting ROTS around, and somehow having it revealed at the beginning of it, maybe having that final scene of AOTC with dooku and sidious put at the beginning, but enstead of coruscant, it is somewhere else, maybe a huge battlefleet.

does the EPIII computer game have a different opening to the film?

 This sounds promising. I'm still hung up on the whole color lightsaber thing...I can't decide if I like the idea of changing whats already there in the films...but still some cool thoughts!

And moving the Dooku/Palps scene to ROTS? VERY interesting! Although the line: "...the war has begun" seems a little obvious...unless it's used in another context...

Davnes007 said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Davnes007 said:

The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.

 Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)

I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?

And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...

I always thought that when Palpy finished Padme's sentence, Yoda looked at Palpy as if to say/think "WTF?...finished Padme's sentence he just did, the force he is using?" (yes, Yoda even thinks in 'Yoda-ese', lol).

So, it's not 'the plan' that Yoda is concerned about, it's Palps possible knowledge of the force that he's concerned about.

:) Just my 1.99 cents worth.

 

I don't know...people finish each others sentences all the time in the real world ya know? But I see what you're saying  ;)

Histeria said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.

-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.

-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.

-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...

A minor thing, but I'd lose "who's trying to kill you" in the apartment scene, to avoid unnatural conversation repetition.
 
i.e.
 
Padme: "I want to know who's trying to kill me"
Anakin" We will find out who's trying to kill you, Padme"

 

 

Yes! Thank you! I hated the way I had it! :D

DarthBo said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

vaderios said:

I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.

I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.

Keep it up.

-Angel

Thank you Angel. Are you referring to the Jedi-and-security-searching-the-building-scene? Yeah...just an idea...hoping it might build a little tension...

I have to disagree with Angel here, I really liked what you did there.

I was thinking about the idea of more senators being killed and a bomb going off in a senate meeting and I had an idea for a scene...

Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."

-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators

-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face

Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."

-reactions from the senate

-close up of Palps

-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."

Something like that...what do you think?

:o

make

it

happen

 

 Thank you for the complement, DarthBo. And it's funny you want to see that scene...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NAqWKeIFVI

*note* it may take a minute or two...I've just uploaded it.

ben_danger said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."

-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators

-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face

Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."

-reactions from the senate

-close up of Palps

-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."

Something like that...what do you think?

 

how do you figure this stuff out? that would work amazingly!

 

i also agree on making palps as nice as possible, maybe even making him seem innocent to the point of idiocy. kind of related to the palpatine innocence point, is that if dooku is not a sith, AOTC could be sith/red lightsaber free, thus maybe even allowing us to forget about sidious, so maybe furthering him from that identity even more.

Are you talking about the whole purple saber for Dooku? Or removing his lightsaber battling completely?

kind of forgeting about Sidious in AOTC? yesssss..... :D

Davnes007 said:

ben_danger said:

anakin on various hormone medication. i personally like -150 and -200 pitch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKTPNL7piU&feature=channel_page

I think the -200 setting is a bit too low. The -150 setting sounds good.

 

 

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

...

 

The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.

 

 Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)

I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?

And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...But why does Palpatine have to be behind every possible plot point? Can't some things just happen? In my ideal version the Palpatine/Sidious reveal would hardly be suggested at all...until of course ROTS. I would remove that obvious close up shot of Palps at the end of TPM...anything remotely like that...until ROTS...THEN it becomes a surprise just like the Vader/father thing in ESB.

Sorry 007, I'm not upset at you...that's just been on my mind ;)

vaderios said:

I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.

I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.

Keep it up.

-Angel

Thank you Angel. Are you referring to the Jedi-and-security-searching-the-building-scene? Yeah...just an idea...hoping it might build a little tension...

ben_danger said:

if anyone wants to, we could agree on a framework, and build a rough edit of AOTC via connected mockups on youtube, via  a playlist? some of my bits could go with SSWR bits, and then just make some little clips to connect them. it would be rough, but maybe create a decent framework for someone more....obsessive.....

This could be fun! I'm not sure how consistant I can be with submiting videos (real life takes over quite a bit) but yeah...  :D

ben_danger, I was thinking about the idea of more senators being killed and a bomb going off in a senate meeting and I had an idea for a scene...

Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."

-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators

-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face

Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."

-reactions from the senate

-close up of Palps

-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."

Something like that...what do you think?

ben_danger said:

ooooh, really cool ideas SSWR. it makes great use of dialogue that is usually cut. i especially liked the lift part.

 

been thinking of a few ideas for an AOTC edit, trying to orientate it to a noir detective story that phases into the pulp jungle (indiana jones) ending. maybe we could bounce some of them around a bit to see if theyd work?

 

two key ideas are:

either an opening or early on in the film, BEFORE padmes attack, there are a series of assassinations on senators, maybe a characteristic bomb is seen? a cool scene, would be the deleted scene of padme addressing the senate, only for a bomb to interrupt her which kills some more senators. this would hopefully make her seem in more danger. im guessing the assassination attempt upon her would have to be viewed before the senate bomb.

obi wan doesnt discover the clones, they are not clones of jango. he finds jango somewhere else perhaps, and follows hm to geonosis. maybe the jedi start to question why the seperatists are trying to assassinate the only senators who are against the creation of the clone army. the clone army isnt a secret, and is perhaps a small experimental program, that needs the go ahead for full production

a possible alternative opening? maybe something to do with the seperatists, or the clones.

I'm liking these ideas, ben_danger. I'm not sure how you would rearrange the whole Jango/clone plot but it's worth discussing. I really do like the idea of more senators deaths. A bomb in the deleted senate scene could maybe work...I also like the idea of empty pods in that scene as well...showing that there have been others leaving the crumbling republic. (I forget who originally suggested this)

An alternate opening? That might be cool...I think it would still have to be similar in style...just like all of the other movies...

Thanks for the feedback too! :D

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.

-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.

-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.

-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...

shanerjedi said:

7)Get rid of Vader's dialogue " No I will deal with them myself." Just have him stop at "No".

 I would even remove "No". We don't need to know what Vader is thinking at this point. We, as the audience, should be wondering (just as Luke is) what Vader is thinking. We then find out that he goes to the emperor to tell him whats going on.

TMBTM said:

Maybe just an "Obi-Wan killed her" line can be done with mixing some Palpatine's lines and used on one of the shots of Vader (emperor as voice over), hope I make myself clear...! ;\

But it would be hard to believe, even for Anakin, that Obi-Wan killed a pregnant woman... God it's tricky...

And maybe pointless if we can find a more radical change for the end of ROTS.

 The problem would be ANH. Wouldn't Vader say something about this to Obi-Wan on the death star?

BarBar Jinkx said:

Yeah I think we are really onto something with the "don't tell padme" bit

 Yeah, especially since there is some truly terrible dialouge in this scene.

"I will even learn people to stop from dying!" What? Was that an actual sentence? ;)

I'm wondering...did you guys like the Palpatine dialouge in my altered scene?

Sluggo said:

I'm liking this idea more and more.

By removing the scene, it helps justify his relationship with Padme, but it wastes potential for the audience to see Anakin at his darkest.  And by putting Palps in it, maybe you could keep the sith music as well.

 For me, the question is: should Anakin kill *anyone* in AOTC? We need to like him (he is the hero after all...or one of them) in AOTC and this makes his fall in ROTS tragic.

Sluggo said:

Interesting concept, SSWR.  That idea has potential for great things.  And by keeping it from Padme, it makes her look less like a lunatic for falling in love with him.

 Exactly. :D

AND it really solidifies the Anakin/Palpatine relationship...

Here's my early version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4cCQrlxAfw

My thoughts are it should be left ambiguous as to wether Anakin told Palps or not...we then find out in ROTS that he in fact DID.

Octorox said:

No offense but I completely despise TheoOdo's idea. The point of the prequels is to show the glory day's of the old republic and how they came to an end. There needs to be a huge but gradual shift in attitude and style from TPM to ANH. To have the Jedi and the Republic  already laughable Day 1 does not show that.

Well, like Monroville said...the TF are implying this...not that they actually ARE (think about Tarkin's statements in ANH).

Here's my take on this glory day/hey day of the republic/Jedi dialouge that's always thrown about. Guess where we all got this particular wording/thought process? That's right. Lucas himself. Remember those web docs they released before each prequel film?

And when you look at each film with those thoughts already in your mind-...

It's kind of like if Lucas had said "In the PT you'll find that 2 + 2 = 4." Then, after hearing this, you go see these movies and on screen it's showing that 1 + 1 = 4! And we are trying to make it all fit in our minds: "But Lucas SAID it was the other way...so...it MUST be there SOMEWHERE in the films!" And it's simply not there but we don't want to give up on making it work-...hmmm...that's what this whole forum is about isn't it? ;)

The Jedi ARE in their prime...I think that's what Lucas intended, but it's not on screen. If they were in their prime, they would have found "alternatives to fighting" and the like.

Forgive my rambling...I'm still figuring out my take on the PT. I think I just contradicted myself a few times! ;)

Bingowings said:

BarBar Jinkx said:

I've been thinking about the confession scene in the garage in AotC

 

would it be possible to paint Padme out & have anikin confess the killings to a holographic Palpatine, & have Padme come in as Palps leave for the "I miss her so much" part

 

 

is this doable at all?

its been so long since I have watched this movie I just cant remember Anikins posture in the scene.

It's doable (though not easy) but possibly a little pointless and counter productive.

We find out in ROTS that Anakin told Palpatine and Anakin is meant to be keeping a low profile, hiding Padme from Nute Gunray and his agents so getting the Chancellor on the Batphone to have a heart to heart, even on the worst of bad days sounds like replacing one problem with another, rather than working as an active solution.

It might work though, all (like it's really easy and not time consuming at all) you'd have to do would be to take or fake footage of Palpatine looking concerned and paste it over the scene with Padme gone in the holograph style.

If George can have Terence Stamp deliver his lines to Amidala via a mop handle and drop her in later (so she can have the day off) in Episode One doing the opposite should be possible.

 

Wow. This is crazy. I've actually made a version of Anakin talking with Palps just recently...I'll try and post it soon. I do understand where you're coming from Bingowings...but I personally think it would be OK to have Anakin's emotions take over and have him contact Palpatine. It strengthens the relationship they have and shows that Anakin *doesn't* go to Padme or Obi-wan with this issue...I think it's important to make sure the audience realizes this point.

TheoOdo, holy crap! That was great! If Adywan goes with the original structure of the movie this is the right direction. We've got to do something about the image of the Jedi and the force. I have some additional thoughts about introducing the Jedi in TPM that I'll share later...still working it out...

RoccondilRinon said:

Oh yes, I'm not objecting to killing off Lando, but I'd be hesitant about ben_danger's idea of killing him off in an accident. I'd rather his death be an heroic sacrifice.

 I will say that having it be an accident makes it easier from an editors standpoint. You don't have to have additional dialouge/reactions from Lando "Tell Han I love him!"...know what I mean? ;)

Bingowings said:

The opening crawl is a great way of addressing some of the problems with TPM.

It's the first crawl in the saga so it should set up in very broad strokes the bear essentials for understanding the film.

If it had a paragraph explaining that after a thousand generations the Republic is crumbling under it's own weight, that the Jedi after defeating their rivals the Sith a thousand years before are bound by a code limiting their authority within Republic borders and another setting up the Federation's claim to the planet the audience would have almost everything upfront without the need for expositional dialogue.

The current crawl contains some of those details but it's crouched in terms that are rather dull and taxation is a something most people go to the cinema to forget about.

Magnoliafan's slave plot adds menace but if the Naboo and the Federation are part of the Republic it doesn't make sense that the Jedi wouldn't stop it.

 

Yes yes...this could work...

Now the whole Naboo/Federation thing...I haven't watched TPM in a while but if we simply removed the Federation from the actual Senate meeting....could that work? I'm still a bit confused by the whole political side of things...

Sluggo said:

JasonN said:

JediMasterFisher said:

That youtube reviewer knows nothing about the story of Star Wars. He says the Jedi were bad because they did not lead an army to free the slaves. Doesnt he realize that would start a war with the Hutt clans and that wouldnt be good. 

How could he?
Apart from seeing Jabba in the first 1/3 of RotJ (oh, and that bullsh*t scene in the SW Special Edition), the Hutts play absolutely NO purpose to the story of the six SW films, so why would the reviewer (or for that matter, the majority of the audiences who saw these movies) have any knowledge of that "Hutt war" concept???

 

 I think that is what most people are missing about his reviews.  The movies should make sense to the average audience member.  Most of the people who are up in arms are so up their eyeballs in Star Wars that they can't see straight. 

A person shouldn't have to earn a PhD in Star Wars History and Lore to have the movies be understandable.  If the person who is slightly familiar with a movie series goes in to see the latest installment shouldn't have to be scratching his head the whole time.

A problem or plot-hole doesn't disappear because it is patched up outside of the movie.  If I take a picture of the pothole in my driveway and photoshop out the hole on my computer, the hole is still out in the driveway.

Exactly. I find that I still (sometimes) fall into this way of thinking when I watch the movies...

Bingowings said:

JasonN said:

JediMasterFisher said:

That youtube reviewer knows nothing about the story of Star Wars. He says the Jedi were bad because they did not lead an army to free the slaves. Doesnt he realize that would start a war with the Hutt clans and that wouldnt be good.

How could he?
Apart from seeing Jabba in the first 1/3 of RotJ (oh, and that bullsh*t scene in the SW Special Edition), the Hutts play absolutely NO purpose to the story of the six SW films, so why would the reviewer (or for that matter, the majority of the audiences who saw these movies) have any knowledge of that "Hutt war" concept???

George could have solved all this by just having Qui-Gon say something along the lines of "The Jedi are forbidden to interfere outside the Republic", when Anakin asked if he was there to free the slaves.

 

 

That would've worked...*sigh*...I guess we'll end up dubbing EVERYONE in the PT, huh? ;)