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#354516
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings, you've hit it on the head brilliantly:

"The potential for re-editing and reworking here would be to partly underline and partly make clear these story aspects by trimming away or shifting around aspects which confuse these aspects of the story so instead of being negatives they actually enrich the story."

Exactly.

"Removing Anakin's admission of guilt to Padme turn's his massacre of the Tusken children into a dirty secret he shares with the only person he trusts (the last person he should)."

I also had this same idea a while back...if I were to do my own edit I might even leave out the Anakin killing sandpeople scene ENTIRELY! Crazy huh? :D

"Restructuring TPM so it flows from Coruscant to Naboo cuts out all the wandering about and leaves Amidala with no proof of an invasion to back up her claims.:

Woah! This sounds interesting! Want to elaborate? ;D

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#353733
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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topdawg193 said:

While on the topic of Lando, a common complaint of ROTJ is that Lando's betrayal of Han in the previous movie is never really dealt with, or talked about. It's just glossed over, and they are all-of-a-sudden good friends again.

Of course, the most likely reason for this is that this is because Lando played a big part in rescuing Han from Jabba's Palace (by infiltrating the Palace, and previously tracking down the bounty hunter who escaped from Bespin with Han), and so Han is grateful for this. But in the film, we never really see Han acknowledge Lando's role in his rescue; this is just assumed (interestingly, in the cut 'landing-area-sand-storm-scene' after the Sail Barge resuce, Han does thank Lando, awkwardly and almost bitterly, and we can see somewhat of a reconciliation between the two characters).

I was thinking, though, that it may be possible to strengthen Han and Lando's character relations, and explain clearer why they are suddenly on good terms after such a monumental betrayal, by rearranging some dialogue in two key scenes.

Immediately after the Sail Barge rescue, there is a space shot of the Falcon and Luke's X-Wing leaving Tatooine. Here, Han thanks Luke for his role in the rescue operation:

HAN     (over comlink)
Hey, Luke, thanks. Thanks for comin' after me. Now I owe you one.


What I'm thinking is, would it not be possible to trim this to just 'Hey, Luke, thanks. Now I owe you one'? Maybe by inserting a pause in between the two sentences (and this could even make Han's appreciation pack a greater emotional punch), and, if necessary, by employing certain audio edits if the inflection of the statements needs amended?

By doing this, we can then take the cut statement ('Thanks for comin' after me') and insert it into the 'Han-and-Lando-in-the-Rebel-Hangar' scene from slightly later on in the film. In this way, Han would appear to be thanking Lando, specifically, and we could understand that he has forgiven him for his previous misdeed due to the act of bravery and loyalty he showed in 'comin' after' him. Because of the pauses, and sheepish nature of that scene (with Han worried about giving the Falcon to Lando), it might not be overly problematic to effectively insert this audio line in somewhere. For example, right at the end of their conversation, before they part ways:


LANDO

Look, would you get going, you pirate.

Han and Lando pause, then exchange salutes.

 

This could become:


LANDO

Look, would you get going, you pirate.

Han and Lando pause.

HAN
[Hey]...Thanks...for comin' after me.


Then they exchange salutes.

 

Notice here that I'm changing the inflection slightly with some minor pauses, and maybe even lifting an appropriate 'hey' from Han (he says this word numerous times throughout the trilogy, including in ROTJ, so it hopefully shouldn't be too hard to find the right one) to initiate the thanks. This way, we get a a better resolution on the betrayal-redemption-gratitude-forgiveness arc of these characters' story.

The only issue I can see is, Han's dialogue is heard over a com-link in Luke's X-Wing, and so sounds a little quiet and slightly garbled. But sufficient audio editing could solve this problem, I'd imagine.

 

 OK, SOMETHING like this has to be done!...this idea could very well work.

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#351398
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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TheBoost said:
Bingowings said:

 

AxiaEuxine said :

Love this idea, I dont even care if it works with the rest of the movie... Maybe we should add mini skulls and things hanging off the Gungans belts too.

It does tie in with the rest of the movie already. The Ewoks are shown as being prepared to eat humans and wear and keep bones as tribal objects. Later they are seen to be a force capable of taking on defeating Imperial troops. They just lack motivation and direction to do it on a large scale, their God gives that to them so instead of picking off a few Stormtroopers here and there they can now take on an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops.

All that's changed is the tone. Instead of being funny little tribal teddy bears that eat people, they are a dangerous (all be it short) tribal race that eat people.

As for the Gungans (which are really a subject for the PT thread) adding skulls to them is changing their character.

 

I get your point here Bingo, but I also feel where Axia is coming from.

Ever get the feeling that a lot of fans would rather the entire movie (all six) just be packed with silent, black cloaked killing machines?

Boba Fett- He does nothing, but be silent and imply violence.  The only thing he actually accomplishes is sneaks after the Falcon, and yet he's practically worshipped. We need to edit ROTJ so that he lives, sells the Death Star plans, and hopefully kills more people.

Maul- Dressed in black, rarely spoke, killed people. He's called a 'wasted character' as if the whole PT should have been based on him.

Greivous- Would have been much better if he was black, didn't talk, and killed more people. Forget that the major plot point of Ep. III is that Grievous is always running away. It's even better if he was actually Darth Maul reincarnated. And killed more.

Ewoks- Less Ewokeese, more eating people.

Chewie- Should be shown to actually rip off peoples arms.

C3P0- Needs claws.

Palpatine- In my edit he's not Chancellor. He just walks into the Senate, kills everyone, and only has one line "I'm the Emperor now, bitches."

I actually agree with most of this...I *do* think it would be cool to have Chewie rip off an arm or two though...

 

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#349325
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
JediMasterFisher said:

I say just keep the reveal of Anakin turnning into Vader in ROTS. Its the whole point of the movie and removing it would destory the emotional impact of ROTS.

 

I think Anakin should still turn...but leave out the name "Vader"...possibly.

Sorry but that seems pointless to me, either Episodes I to III are prequels (where we know he's Vader and we are finding out how and why) or they are the first three parts of a six part saga (in which case we shouldn't know Anakin is Vader until ESB).

Knowing he has fallen and burned up but not calling him Vader seems to be the worst of both worlds.

For future generations I think it makes sense to edit the so called prequels so they live up to the Episode bit in the title and keep the surprises until later (not that brighter viewers wouldn't be able to work it out for themselves).

Anakin still falls and becomes Vader in the suit (so his tragedy remains) but we don't know it for sure until Yoda tells Luke and us in the final part.

As for Padme dying and the Death Star being built, I suggested elsewhere that we see a timelapse style building of the Death Star and changing of Clone troopers to Stormtroopers, Republic Destroyers to Imperial Stardestroyers, and Padme's funeral could be worked into that and we could see Leia as a little girl on Alderaan rather than a baby covering the ROTJ memory angle in one swoop too.

 

Well, it sounds like we are thinking the same as far as the overall saga is concerned...

MY take on Vader is that it should appear that he dies. That IS tragic. He's a good person in TPM, a hero in AOTC (take out some of his anger, wimpyness and selfishness) and in ROTS he starts the turn to the darkside. I think of it like Luke in ROTJ. If Luke had turned to the darkside it would have been tragic. Why? Because we never would've thought Luke would make that choice. I feel it should be the same for Anakin. As it stands now, we don't care if Anakin turns to the darkside because he's a butthead-...well...we want him to turn simply because we know how cool Vader is.   IMHO  ;)

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#349250
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings said:

The way I would do it is change the reference to getting a new apprentice and merge it with the reference to Lord Vader taking care of the Seperatists from later in the film (Palpatine already knows he is going to call Anakin Vader when he turns and he knows he will succeed).

I'd then hide Vader behind a cowl or mask on the attacks on the Temple and on Mustafar (making a virtue of the previously silly Sith eyes, Vader now has them all the time until Luke saves him, to create the impression this is a new character and Anakin died trying to save Mace Windu).

Removing references to Anakin (in fact most of the Volcanic duel banter) would complete the trick.

The only problems are the lightsabre and the "former pupil of mine".

It might be possible to manipulate events and the picture so Padme is given Anakin's blue sabre as proof of his death and Vader uses a red blade doing his various dirty deeds.

It wouldn't be too much to expect Obi-Wan to have a new Padawan after Anakin is knighted but getting him into a scene would be hard work.

 

I was wondering if there was some way to change up the timeline (probably not) and have the emperpor mention a new apprentice early in the film, then Obi/Anne fight, then Anakin "dies", THEN have Vader attack the Seperatists. That does create some issues though...example: why would Anakin go to Mustafar in the first place?

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#349243
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Page 7 of THIS thread (I left the whole quote cuz it's an interesting read):

adywan said:
AxiaEuxine said:

Posted by Adywan..

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

I dont think the technology was a matter of being light years ahead of the OT. Its more a mtter of the Empire controlling what gets into the hands of anyone else but themselves. Not to mention the disposable nature/attitude towards it soldiers. Thats why the tech looks better in the PT.

I also feel that the Death Star construction shot at the end of RotS is awesome. This should definitely be left in.

Posted by another user (forgot his name)

Now, I know of some adywan's intentions, like, no Vader in ROTS...

I dont know if this is true or not, if it is I beg you to reconsider Adywan. The whole point of the prequel trilogy is Anakin's turn into the baddest Dark Lord ever, Vader.

The Death Star at the end of ROTS was totally unnecessary and wrong on so many levels. So it took them 20 years to build the Death Star 1 but only 3 to build the second one? come on. Totally gone in Revisited.

I am toying with the idea that we don't see vader in the PT but I'm probably more inclined to give Vader a better role at the end. I want to see him hunting down and killing some of the remaining Jedi at the end not the stupid wimp screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" Also i never understood why the hell he needs a lifesupport suit when all that happened was he got burned. His lungs wouldn't have been affected. I'm going to be adding something that explains why he has to breath artificially when i get to ROTS:R

AxiaEuxine said:
adywan said:
And the hint that Anakin was created by the sith and the miracle Virgin birth will also be gone in Revisited. The PT needs to be given a complete make over whereas the OT is mainly cosmetics.

 

 I would ask you to read my editorial on the PT and OTSE to really understand my position on this. Link at the bottom of my posts.

As for taking out the Virgin Birth and Anakin created by the sith, you have to leave these in. The discussion at the opera is one of the best scenes in the trilogy and is a key component of Palpatine's manipulation of Anakin into turning. The virgin birth is a classic example of mythological lore, Ive never had an issue with it. It should be left in. Whats the alternative? Having this child of prophecy just be born to a slave with no mention of who the father ever was? I dont think that would be better.

oh no. i don't have to leave those in at all. You may have never had an issue with it but most people have and i certainly have. Having the sith create Anakin means that he was always destined to become evil and that takes away the whole story of how a good person can go bad. The PT is full of contradictions story wise. It needs an enema ;) And surely if they had created anakin so he would be able to destroy the Jedi then they would have made sure it was somewhere where the jedi would have spotted his skills, trained him as a jedi and given him the power to fulfil his destiny. Not have him born on an out of the way planet and left his discovery to chance. Even you yourself in your blog say that you don't like midicraplions but you say they have to be left in? Let me quote you

Midiclorians. No one likes midiclorians. I don't like them, you don't like them. One does not need to explain the mechanics of the Force. It's a spiritual thing. However I felt there had to be a reason why they were mentioned and briefly explained in The Phantom Menace and all but ignored in Attack of the Clones. For me this reason became clear during Episode 3. Palpatine explains to Anakin that Darth Plagueis could influence the Midiclorians to create life and stop people from dying. This of course was an important manipulation of Anakin and a major story element. I'm convinced Lucas planned this from the beginning hence the reason for midiclorians.

I think it could have been done differently and midiclorians are weak.

So you say that it could have been done differently but when someone mentions getting rid of them and then actually do it differently you are against it? Face it the PT is crap in comparison to the OT. They will never be hailed as classics as the OT was and still is. After reading your blog i'm almost sure you have watched a completely different set of films than everyone else

 

 

 

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#349241
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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vaderios said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

What's next? Well, I've actually been thinking about what Adywan has said about trying to insert more of Vader into ROTS...So I've been playing with an idea.... ;)

Rly? I thought he said removing completely vader from ROTS so it will make more sense to know that anakin is vader to the OT...

 

-Angel

 

 

 Forgive me for not finding the exact quote...but somewhere (maybe in this thread...or the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread) Adywan has **thought** about adding more of Vader to ROTS but at the same time making it look like Anakin and Vader are two different people. I'll see if I can find  the quote...

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#349236
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Thanks for the feedback guys! :D

Because there are still so many others things I want to tweak in that sequence I start to fill the gaps in my head as I watch it over and over. So I always wonder how this stuff looks to others...thanks again!

What's next? Well, I've actually been thinking about what Adywan has said about trying to insert more of Vader into ROTS...So I've been playing with an idea.... ;)

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#349137
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Hey peoples!

I don't mean to take over here but I would love some imput on two of my new vidz.

Without going into great detail I've had issues with the Yoda/Palps fight in ROTS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_f39t8LGM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZRgNsz4vA

So feel free to check them out and let me know you're thoughts...maybe type them here on this thread...

P.S. Look at both descriptions of the videos...I've gone into some details as to why the changes...

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#349000
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Octorox said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
vaderios said:

Star wars has always black space. This making the difference from the other movies that enhance the space with nebulas and other stuff.But w8 why a nebula in a star wars shot? Lets say this shot got an OT makeover.

-Angel

 

 Again, Vaderios, this is great! I think Adywan should definantly go down this road when he gets to the PT:R. I also hope Adywan will mimick the style of shots seen in the OT (more pan/tilt/zoom/static shots). Not all space shots HAVE to have the camera doing "fancy" movements...hmm...it's also the movement of the ships. Sometimes the ships in the PT are moving so fast (or maybe it's because they're CGI) and crazy they look and seem weightless.

Vaderios, just for fun...can you tackle a few other shots from the PT? Naboo space battle...Jango/Obi space chase...ROTS opening battle...?

Umm...they are weightless. lol

 

lol well....I hope you know what I mean. It's hard to put into words...but the look and movement of the ships in the OT have (IMHO) a completely different feeling than in the PT. I think it comes down to CGI rendering/lighting and animation. Some of the ships don't "feel" tangible. ALL of the ships in the OT have that tangible feeling. That's becuase the ships in the OT were actual tangible models that were lit with real lights (not virtual ones) and then filmed with a motion control camera. Also the animators of the OT seem to understand that the ships needed to move like airplanes...like what we know in the real world. They got it right in a few shots in the PT-...usually those shots involved actual models.

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#348699
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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vaderios said:

Star wars has always black space. This making the difference from the other movies that enhance the space with nebulas and other stuff.But w8 why a nebula in a star wars shot? Lets say this shot got an OT makeover.

-Angel

 

 Again, Vaderios, this is great! I think Adywan should definantly go down this road when he gets to the PT:R. I also hope Adywan will mimick the style of shots seen in the OT (more pan/tilt/zoom/static shots). Not all space shots HAVE to have the camera doing "fancy" movements...hmm...it's also the movement of the ships. Sometimes the ships in the PT are moving so fast (or maybe it's because they're CGI) and crazy they look and seem weightless.

Vaderios, just for fun...can you tackle a few other shots from the PT? Naboo space battle...Jango/Obi space chase...ROTS opening battle...?