Oops! In my youtube video I credited Bingowings...Sorry ben_danger! For some reason I got your names mixed up in my head! :D
ben_danger said:well AOTC could be like the Prisoner of Azkaban of STAR WARS. without voldemort (sith subplot) the characters all evolved a little, and it was like the intermission before thngs started getting darker. also in ROTS, if the jedi are percieved to be becoming corrupt, palaptine springing the sith on anakin could perhaps seem like a positive thing? (i think ID was talking about this earlier)
id like to see all the PT sabers turned to blue for jedi (just thought to mention that again for the hundredth time) if dooku is rogue, then i guess he could take any colour, but blue may be used. i liked him with yellow in magnolia fan's edition. maybe we should make a screenshot gallery of his many sabers.
an alternative is have dooku as a sith, but not revealed in AOTC, perhaps by shifting ROTS around, and somehow having it revealed at the beginning of it, maybe having that final scene of AOTC with dooku and sidious put at the beginning, but enstead of coruscant, it is somewhere else, maybe a huge battlefleet.
does the EPIII computer game have a different opening to the film?
This sounds promising. I'm still hung up on the whole color lightsaber thing...I can't decide if I like the idea of changing whats already there in the films...but still some cool thoughts!
And moving the Dooku/Palps scene to ROTS? VERY interesting! Although the line: "...the war has begun" seems a little obvious...unless it's used in another context...
Davnes007 said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Davnes007 said:The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.
Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)
I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?
And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...
I always thought that when Palpy finished Padme's sentence, Yoda looked at Palpy as if to say/think "WTF?...finished Padme's sentence he just did, the force he is using?" (yes, Yoda even thinks in 'Yoda-ese', lol).
So, it's not 'the plan' that Yoda is concerned about, it's Palps possible knowledge of the force that he's concerned about.
:) Just my 1.99 cents worth.
I don't know...people finish each others sentences all the time in the real world ya know? But I see what you're saying ;)
Histeria said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14
It's rough but what do ya think?
-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.
-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.
-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.
-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...
A minor thing, but I'd lose "who's trying to kill you" in the apartment scene, to avoid unnatural conversation repetition.
i.e.
Padme: "I want to know who's trying to kill me"
Anakin" We will find out who's trying to kill you, Padme"
Yes! Thank you! I hated the way I had it! :D
DarthBo said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:vaderios said:I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.
I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.
Keep it up.
-Angel
Thank you Angel. Are you referring to the Jedi-and-security-searching-the-building-scene? Yeah...just an idea...hoping it might build a little tension...
I have to disagree with Angel here, I really liked what you did there.
I was thinking about the idea of more senators being killed and a bomb going off in a senate meeting and I had an idea for a scene...
Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."
-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators
-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face
Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."
-reactions from the senate
-close up of Palps
-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."
Something like that...what do you think?
:o
make
it
happen
Thank you for the complement, DarthBo. And it's funny you want to see that scene...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NAqWKeIFVI
*note* it may take a minute or two...I've just uploaded it.
ben_danger said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."
-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators
-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face
Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."
-reactions from the senate
-close up of Palps
-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."
Something like that...what do you think?
how do you figure this stuff out? that would work amazingly!
i also agree on making palps as nice as possible, maybe even making him seem innocent to the point of idiocy. kind of related to the palpatine innocence point, is that if dooku is not a sith, AOTC could be sith/red lightsaber free, thus maybe even allowing us to forget about sidious, so maybe furthering him from that identity even more.
Are you talking about the whole purple saber for Dooku? Or removing his lightsaber battling completely?
kind of forgeting about Sidious in AOTC? yesssss..... :D
Davnes007 said:ben_danger said:anakin on various hormone medication. i personally like -150 and -200 pitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKTPNL7piU&feature=channel_page
I think the -200 setting is a bit too low. The -150 setting sounds good.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14
It's rough but what do ya think?
...
The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.
Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)
I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?
And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...But why does Palpatine have to be behind every possible plot point? Can't some things just happen? In my ideal version the Palpatine/Sidious reveal would hardly be suggested at all...until of course ROTS. I would remove that obvious close up shot of Palps at the end of TPM...anything remotely like that...until ROTS...THEN it becomes a surprise just like the Vader/father thing in ESB.
Sorry 007, I'm not upset at you...that's just been on my mind ;)
vaderios said:I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.
I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.
Keep it up.
-Angel
Thank you Angel. Are you referring to the Jedi-and-security-searching-the-building-scene? Yeah...just an idea...hoping it might build a little tension...
ben_danger said:if anyone wants to, we could agree on a framework, and build a rough edit of AOTC via connected mockups on youtube, via a playlist? some of my bits could go with SSWR bits, and then just make some little clips to connect them. it would be rough, but maybe create a decent framework for someone more....obsessive.....
This could be fun! I'm not sure how consistant I can be with submiting videos (real life takes over quite a bit) but yeah... :D
ben_danger, I was thinking about the idea of more senators being killed and a bomb going off in a senate meeting and I had an idea for a scene...
Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."
-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators
-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face
Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."
-reactions from the senate
-close up of Palps
-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."
Something like that...what do you think?
ben_danger said:ooooh, really cool ideas SSWR. it makes great use of dialogue that is usually cut. i especially liked the lift part.
been thinking of a few ideas for an AOTC edit, trying to orientate it to a noir detective story that phases into the pulp jungle (indiana jones) ending. maybe we could bounce some of them around a bit to see if theyd work?
two key ideas are:
either an opening or early on in the film, BEFORE padmes attack, there are a series of assassinations on senators, maybe a characteristic bomb is seen? a cool scene, would be the deleted scene of padme addressing the senate, only for a bomb to interrupt her which kills some more senators. this would hopefully make her seem in more danger. im guessing the assassination attempt upon her would have to be viewed before the senate bomb.
obi wan doesnt discover the clones, they are not clones of jango. he finds jango somewhere else perhaps, and follows hm to geonosis. maybe the jedi start to question why the seperatists are trying to assassinate the only senators who are against the creation of the clone army. the clone army isnt a secret, and is perhaps a small experimental program, that needs the go ahead for full production
a possible alternative opening? maybe something to do with the seperatists, or the clones.
I'm liking these ideas, ben_danger. I'm not sure how you would rearrange the whole Jango/clone plot but it's worth discussing. I really do like the idea of more senators deaths. A bomb in the deleted senate scene could maybe work...I also like the idea of empty pods in that scene as well...showing that there have been others leaving the crumbling republic. (I forget who originally suggested this)
An alternate opening? That might be cool...I think it would still have to be similar in style...just like all of the other movies...
Thanks for the feedback too! :D
Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14
It's rough but what do ya think?
-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.
-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.
-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.
-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...
shanerjedi said:7)Get rid of Vader's dialogue " No I will deal with them myself." Just have him stop at "No".
I would even remove "No". We don't need to know what Vader is thinking at this point. We, as the audience, should be wondering (just as Luke is) what Vader is thinking. We then find out that he goes to the emperor to tell him whats going on.
TMBTM said:Maybe just an "Obi-Wan killed her" line can be done with mixing some Palpatine's lines and used on one of the shots of Vader (emperor as voice over), hope I make myself clear...! ;\
But it would be hard to believe, even for Anakin, that Obi-Wan killed a pregnant woman... God it's tricky...
And maybe pointless if we can find a more radical change for the end of ROTS.
The problem would be ANH. Wouldn't Vader say something about this to Obi-Wan on the death star?
BarBar Jinkx said:Yeah I think we are really onto something with the "don't tell padme" bit
Yeah, especially since there is some truly terrible dialouge in this scene.
"I will even learn people to stop from dying!" What? Was that an actual sentence? ;)
I'm wondering...did you guys like the Palpatine dialouge in my altered scene?
Sluggo said:I'm liking this idea more and more.
By removing the scene, it helps justify his relationship with Padme, but it wastes potential for the audience to see Anakin at his darkest. And by putting Palps in it, maybe you could keep the sith music as well.
For me, the question is: should Anakin kill *anyone* in AOTC? We need to like him (he is the hero after all...or one of them) in AOTC and this makes his fall in ROTS tragic.
Sluggo said:Interesting concept, SSWR. That idea has potential for great things. And by keeping it from Padme, it makes her look less like a lunatic for falling in love with him.
Exactly. :D
AND it really solidifies the Anakin/Palpatine relationship...
Here's my early version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4cCQrlxAfw
My thoughts are it should be left ambiguous as to wether Anakin told Palps or not...we then find out in ROTS that he in fact DID.
Octorox said:No offense but I completely despise TheoOdo's idea. The point of the prequels is to show the glory day's of the old republic and how they came to an end. There needs to be a huge but gradual shift in attitude and style from TPM to ANH. To have the Jedi and the Republic already laughable Day 1 does not show that.
Well, like Monroville said...the TF are implying this...not that they actually ARE (think about Tarkin's statements in ANH).
Here's my take on this glory day/hey day of the republic/Jedi dialouge that's always thrown about. Guess where we all got this particular wording/thought process? That's right. Lucas himself. Remember those web docs they released before each prequel film?
And when you look at each film with those thoughts already in your mind-...
It's kind of like if Lucas had said "In the PT you'll find that 2 + 2 = 4." Then, after hearing this, you go see these movies and on screen it's showing that 1 + 1 = 4! And we are trying to make it all fit in our minds: "But Lucas SAID it was the other way...so...it MUST be there SOMEWHERE in the films!" And it's simply not there but we don't want to give up on making it work-...hmmm...that's what this whole forum is about isn't it? ;)
The Jedi ARE in their prime...I think that's what Lucas intended, but it's not on screen. If they were in their prime, they would have found "alternatives to fighting" and the like.
Forgive my rambling...I'm still figuring out my take on the PT. I think I just contradicted myself a few times! ;)
Bingowings said:BarBar Jinkx said:I've been thinking about the confession scene in the garage in AotC
would it be possible to paint Padme out & have anikin confess the killings to a holographic Palpatine, & have Padme come in as Palps leave for the "I miss her so much" part
is this doable at all?
its been so long since I have watched this movie I just cant remember Anikins posture in the scene.
It's doable (though not easy) but possibly a little pointless and counter productive.
We find out in ROTS that Anakin told Palpatine and Anakin is meant to be keeping a low profile, hiding Padme from Nute Gunray and his agents so getting the Chancellor on the Batphone to have a heart to heart, even on the worst of bad days sounds like replacing one problem with another, rather than working as an active solution.
It might work though, all (like it's really easy and not time consuming at all) you'd have to do would be to take or fake footage of Palpatine looking concerned and paste it over the scene with Padme gone in the holograph style.
If George can have Terence Stamp deliver his lines to Amidala via a mop handle and drop her in later (so she can have the day off) in Episode One doing the opposite should be possible.
Wow. This is crazy. I've actually made a version of Anakin talking with Palps just recently...I'll try and post it soon. I do understand where you're coming from Bingowings...but I personally think it would be OK to have Anakin's emotions take over and have him contact Palpatine. It strengthens the relationship they have and shows that Anakin *doesn't* go to Padme or Obi-wan with this issue...I think it's important to make sure the audience realizes this point.
TheoOdo, holy crap! That was great! If Adywan goes with the original structure of the movie this is the right direction. We've got to do something about the image of the Jedi and the force. I have some additional thoughts about introducing the Jedi in TPM that I'll share later...still working it out...
RoccondilRinon said:Oh yes, I'm not objecting to killing off Lando, but I'd be hesitant about ben_danger's idea of killing him off in an accident. I'd rather his death be an heroic sacrifice.
I will say that having it be an accident makes it easier from an editors standpoint. You don't have to have additional dialouge/reactions from Lando "Tell Han I love him!"...know what I mean? ;)
Bingowings said:The opening crawl is a great way of addressing some of the problems with TPM.
It's the first crawl in the saga so it should set up in very broad strokes the bear essentials for understanding the film.
If it had a paragraph explaining that after a thousand generations the Republic is crumbling under it's own weight, that the Jedi after defeating their rivals the Sith a thousand years before are bound by a code limiting their authority within Republic borders and another setting up the Federation's claim to the planet the audience would have almost everything upfront without the need for expositional dialogue.
The current crawl contains some of those details but it's crouched in terms that are rather dull and taxation is a something most people go to the cinema to forget about.
Magnoliafan's slave plot adds menace but if the Naboo and the Federation are part of the Republic it doesn't make sense that the Jedi wouldn't stop it.
Yes yes...this could work...
Now the whole Naboo/Federation thing...I haven't watched TPM in a while but if we simply removed the Federation from the actual Senate meeting....could that work? I'm still a bit confused by the whole political side of things...
Sluggo said:JasonN said:JediMasterFisher said:That youtube reviewer knows nothing about the story of Star Wars. He says the Jedi were bad because they did not lead an army to free the slaves. Doesnt he realize that would start a war with the Hutt clans and that wouldnt be good.
How could he?
Apart from seeing Jabba in the first 1/3 of RotJ (oh, and that bullsh*t scene in the SW Special Edition), the Hutts play absolutely NO purpose to the story of the six SW films, so why would the reviewer (or for that matter, the majority of the audiences who saw these movies) have any knowledge of that "Hutt war" concept???
I think that is what most people are missing about his reviews. The movies should make sense to the average audience member. Most of the people who are up in arms are so up their eyeballs in Star Wars that they can't see straight.
A person shouldn't have to earn a PhD in Star Wars History and Lore to have the movies be understandable. If the person who is slightly familiar with a movie series goes in to see the latest installment shouldn't have to be scratching his head the whole time.
A problem or plot-hole doesn't disappear because it is patched up outside of the movie. If I take a picture of the pothole in my driveway and photoshop out the hole on my computer, the hole is still out in the driveway.
Exactly. I find that I still (sometimes) fall into this way of thinking when I watch the movies...
Bingowings said:JasonN said:JediMasterFisher said:That youtube reviewer knows nothing about the story of Star Wars. He says the Jedi were bad because they did not lead an army to free the slaves. Doesnt he realize that would start a war with the Hutt clans and that wouldnt be good.
How could he?
Apart from seeing Jabba in the first 1/3 of RotJ (oh, and that bullsh*t scene in the SW Special Edition), the Hutts play absolutely NO purpose to the story of the six SW films, so why would the reviewer (or for that matter, the majority of the audiences who saw these movies) have any knowledge of that "Hutt war" concept???George could have solved all this by just having Qui-Gon say something along the lines of "The Jedi are forbidden to interfere outside the Republic", when Anakin asked if he was there to free the slaves.
That would've worked...*sigh*...I guess we'll end up dubbing EVERYONE in the PT, huh? ;)
JasonN said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:"Removing Anakin's admission of guilt to Padme turn's his massacre of the Tusken children into a dirty secret he shares with the only person he trusts (the last person he should)."
I also had this same idea a while back...if I were to do my own edit I might even leave out the Anakin killing sandpeople scene ENTIRELY! Crazy huh? :D
Well, I did exactly that with my Twilight of the Republic and I thought it definitely made the Anakin character into a much stronger and better person than he was ever presented in the original version - now he's actually is that "Good man" that he was described as by Obi-Wan in the OT before he fell to the Dark Side.
(of course, a lot of additional cuts and edits didn't hurt, either :D )
Ah yes! I haven't seen it yet...but I did read about that.
Now, you also cut Anakin finding his mother with the sandpeople, right? Because I'm not sure I would've cut it out. We, as the audience, would definantly be invested in finding his mother just as much as he. But, again, I haven't seen your edit yet...it might work wonderfully! :D
I want to find a way to explain why NO ONE has gone to get Anakin's mother in the past 10 years!
My thought was if Anakin was to be redubbed (*Trooperman's edit*) you could accomplish this in the scene when Obi asks Anakin about his dreams:
Obi: Because of your mother?
- Anakin nods
Anankin: I don't know why I keep dreaming about her...
Obi: Dreams pass in time.
- Cut to a shot of the droid
Anakin: I understand that the Jedi council won't let me see her until I finish the trials...but it's such a long wait!
...or somthing like that! :D
Bingowings, you've hit it on the head brilliantly:
"The potential for re-editing and reworking here would be to partly underline and partly make clear these story aspects by trimming away or shifting around aspects which confuse these aspects of the story so instead of being negatives they actually enrich the story."
Exactly.
"Removing Anakin's admission of guilt to Padme turn's his massacre of the Tusken children into a dirty secret he shares with the only person he trusts (the last person he should)."
I also had this same idea a while back...if I were to do my own edit I might even leave out the Anakin killing sandpeople scene ENTIRELY! Crazy huh? :D
"Restructuring TPM so it flows from Coruscant to Naboo cuts out all the wandering about and leaves Amidala with no proof of an invasion to back up her claims.:
Woah! This sounds interesting! Want to elaborate? ;D
I think these reviews should be required viewing for all who participate in this thread! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6ACD497626B01244
Seriously, I've been thinking through all that this dude has been saying...some fresh insight from this guy!
topdawg193 said:While on the topic of Lando, a common complaint of ROTJ is that Lando's betrayal of Han in the previous movie is never really dealt with, or talked about. It's just glossed over, and they are all-of-a-sudden good friends again.
Of course, the most likely reason for this is that this is because Lando played a big part in rescuing Han from Jabba's Palace (by infiltrating the Palace, and previously tracking down the bounty hunter who escaped from Bespin with Han), and so Han is grateful for this. But in the film, we never really see Han acknowledge Lando's role in his rescue; this is just assumed (interestingly, in the cut 'landing-area-sand-storm-scene' after the Sail Barge resuce, Han does thank Lando, awkwardly and almost bitterly, and we can see somewhat of a reconciliation between the two characters).
I was thinking, though, that it may be possible to strengthen Han and Lando's character relations, and explain clearer why they are suddenly on good terms after such a monumental betrayal, by rearranging some dialogue in two key scenes.
Immediately after the Sail Barge rescue, there is a space shot of the Falcon and Luke's X-Wing leaving Tatooine. Here, Han thanks Luke for his role in the rescue operation:
HAN (over comlink)
Hey, Luke, thanks. Thanks for comin' after me. Now I owe you one.
What I'm thinking is, would it not be possible to trim this to just 'Hey, Luke, thanks. Now I owe you one'? Maybe by inserting a pause in between the two sentences (and this could even make Han's appreciation pack a greater emotional punch), and, if necessary, by employing certain audio edits if the inflection of the statements needs amended?By doing this, we can then take the cut statement ('Thanks for comin' after me') and insert it into the 'Han-and-Lando-in-the-Rebel-Hangar' scene from slightly later on in the film. In this way, Han would appear to be thanking Lando, specifically, and we could understand that he has forgiven him for his previous misdeed due to the act of bravery and loyalty he showed in 'comin' after' him. Because of the pauses, and sheepish nature of that scene (with Han worried about giving the Falcon to Lando), it might not be overly problematic to effectively insert this audio line in somewhere. For example, right at the end of their conversation, before they part ways:
LANDO
Look, would you get going, you pirate.
Han and Lando pause, then exchange salutes.
This could become:
LANDO
Look, would you get going, you pirate.
Han and Lando pause.
HAN
[Hey]...Thanks...for comin' after me.
Then they exchange salutes.
Notice here that I'm changing the inflection slightly with some minor pauses, and maybe even lifting an appropriate 'hey' from Han (he says this word numerous times throughout the trilogy, including in ROTJ, so it hopefully shouldn't be too hard to find the right one) to initiate the thanks. This way, we get a a better resolution on the betrayal-redemption-gratitude-forgiveness arc of these characters' story.
The only issue I can see is, Han's dialogue is heard over a com-link in Luke's X-Wing, and so sounds a little quiet and slightly garbled. But sufficient audio editing could solve this problem, I'd imagine.
OK, SOMETHING like this has to be done!...this idea could very well work.
TheBoost said:Bingowings said:
AxiaEuxine said :
Love this idea, I dont even care if it works with the rest of the movie... Maybe we should add mini skulls and things hanging off the Gungans belts too.
It does tie in with the rest of the movie already. The Ewoks are shown as being prepared to eat humans and wear and keep bones as tribal objects. Later they are seen to be a force capable of taking on defeating Imperial troops. They just lack motivation and direction to do it on a large scale, their God gives that to them so instead of picking off a few Stormtroopers here and there they can now take on an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops.
All that's changed is the tone. Instead of being funny little tribal teddy bears that eat people, they are a dangerous (all be it short) tribal race that eat people.
As for the Gungans (which are really a subject for the PT thread) adding skulls to them is changing their character.
I get your point here Bingo, but I also feel where Axia is coming from.
Ever get the feeling that a lot of fans would rather the entire movie (all six) just be packed with silent, black cloaked killing machines?
Boba Fett- He does nothing, but be silent and imply violence. The only thing he actually accomplishes is sneaks after the Falcon, and yet he's practically worshipped. We need to edit ROTJ so that he lives, sells the Death Star plans, and hopefully kills more people.
Maul- Dressed in black, rarely spoke, killed people. He's called a 'wasted character' as if the whole PT should have been based on him.
Greivous- Would have been much better if he was black, didn't talk, and killed more people. Forget that the major plot point of Ep. III is that Grievous is always running away. It's even better if he was actually Darth Maul reincarnated. And killed more.
Ewoks- Less Ewokeese, more eating people.
Chewie- Should be shown to actually rip off peoples arms.
C3P0- Needs claws.
Palpatine- In my edit he's not Chancellor. He just walks into the Senate, kills everyone, and only has one line "I'm the Emperor now, bitches."
I actually agree with most of this...I *do* think it would be cool to have Chewie rip off an arm or two though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf1XOIPNfJg
Careful, there is language in the video......but there is also greatness ;)
Hey the new shot of one handed Luke looks great! I never would've thought you could minimize the lump! :)