SomethingStarWarsRelated

OK, so I've been tinkering around with the arena scenes in AOTC and I would like to know everyones thoughts on these few scenes...?

Right now I'm gonna attempt...

-taking out Baby Boba and having Jango (if he's actually Boba or not) fly away at some point

-cutting out Mace/Jango fight

-Mace will say *alot* less...if anything

-cut out 3PO and R2

-rearrange *alot* of the shots to make things more dramatic

I don't like cutting alot out of the movie but there is alot of flab in these few of scenes...

So...thoughts...?

I must throw my 2 cents in here and just say: WOW Adywan! :D

Bingowings said:

rcb said:

Bingowings said:

rcb said:

that seems a little, i won't beat around the bush. i don't like it.

It would be helpful if you beat around the bush a little bit.

What don't you like about it, the idea, the execution (and if so what about the execution)?

 

i don't mean to offend u at all, it just seems off for endor. i understand wat ur saying with the ewoks and all, but i just can't see them making idle carvings.

 

You didn't offend me I assure you, I just sought clarification.

Most forest dwelling tribal societies have some form of artistic expression and they worship Threepio so they must have a spiritual sense and it is theistic to some degree because they think he is "some kind of god".

They decorate themselves with bones (they are prepared to eat their enemies and even the friends of their sort of deity) they seem to respect warriors (they were going to eat Luke, Han and Chewie who gave up without a fight but didn't eat Leia who shot a couple of Imperials). And they have an oral tradition so no writing which would suggest pictographic art might be a feature.

It just depends on what level of and style of expression you think this culture would employ.

 

 Bingowings, I like your reasoning behind those great pictures you made. I think something like this should be done. Anything to help give more life and character to the ewoks! (face it people...they *can't* be cut out of the movie) :D

doubleofive said:

Erikstormtrooper said:

vaderios said:

Interesting Enough Starwars.com put some soundboards: http://www.starwars.com/games/playnow/soundboards/index.html

Its an interesting efford to one who havent noticed yet.

 

-Angel

 

Thanks for the link! That's probably the coolest thing I've seen on SW.com for a while. I played around with the X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter theme for about 10 minutes, imagining a battle :)

If they release more soundbites (they're free of music), this could be a great resource for building a soundtrack for a fanedit.

Um wow.  I thought my AT&T Ringtones were awesome, but this is a whole new level of usefulness!

If these (the ones at starwars.com) are new and will be useful for fan edits....is there a way to download them?

SilverKey said:

Great work on the droidfactory, ben_danger and SSWR!

I think the original scene is pretty good, it makes for some nice Star Wars action. I'm always happy to see different cuts of this scene, because I think that had it been cut a little tighter, it would have been a bit more exciting. You both did that, and I liked both of your takes a lot! I have to admit I liked SSWR's cut a little better: ben_danger took out a bit too much, taking out whatever drama it had.

What I liked best about SSWR's version was Anakin calling after Padme. I agree he overdid it a little, but in the scene as it is, Anakin gets on the conveyor belt to rescue Padme, but as the scene progresses, he leaps from belt to belt, as if not concered by saving Padme anymore. I liked that your brought that back into the scene.

Great experimenting with the music too. Has anyone ever tried to put in the music Williams wrote for the scene? I have tried to put the scene together with that music, but I couldn't really make it work. The music is great, really fits with the look of Geonosis, but I think Williams wrote the music for a different cut of the scene (which happened throughout AOTC).

Here is how I would try to put the scene together (which I'm going to try once I'm finally done with school :P): I'd cut the scene a little tighter, mostly cutting out Anakin's jumping about, making it look like he is going after Padme. Anakin calling out to Padme like SSWR did would fit nicely here.

I like Williams' music for this scene, so I'd keep that too. Not the whole track, but parts of it to highlight the action here and there. The rest of the sound could be the sound effects, this could make the factory feel a bit dirtier. Darkening the scene a little might also help a little here (and mask some of the bad effects).

Most cuts remove them completely, but I'd keep in R2 and 3PO, because I don't think Anakin saving Padme with an out of context, casual Force gesture really works. I'd cut out all of 3PO's antics: he is pushed off the ledge, and we don't see him again untill the scene is over. After Anakin and Padme are captured, I'd try to rotoscope R2 and 3PO out of that shot after the arena battle (with 3PO saying he had a peculiar dream), put in a droidfactory background, and put in a line of 3PO saying something like "we'd better get out of here". This would also eliminate them from the arena battle.

Maybe this is a little too ambitious, but it's something I'd might give a try someday, because I think there is great potential in the droidfactory.

You make some interesting points, SilverKey. I guess it depends on what you want to achieve in your edit. I wanted to make Anakin more of a hero and not a whiny bitch like he is. So having him save padme certainly goes a long way...but I see what you're saying about anakin and his 'casual force gesture'. I just don't have another shot I can use there...sadly.

I think if I could add more dialouge to this scene it would be something along these lines:

-padme falls on the belt

anakin: "padme! stay right there!"

padme: "anakin!"

Anakin: "I'm coming!"

-fast forward. padme falls into the lava holder thingy

-padme cries out. anakin hears her and sees where it came from

anakin: "padme! Don't worry! I'm coming!"

I don't know...something like that. ;)

I think using that shot of the droids from the arena might be great...but IMHO having the droids in this scene just doesn't compute to me. Lucas was *trying* to bring back that OT "feeling" by putting the droids in there but it just screwed things up. Why oh why the CGI 3PO antics? Why does R2 save padme? I understand that it's not out of character for R2 but it makes anakin being in the scene pointless...unless R2 saved him as well...but that's going too far I think...  ;)

Again, my 2 cents...

vaderios said:

Yay! Nice music Insert!

Which reminds me i have made one vide with a color corrected Factory scene :)

 

-Angel

 Let's see it! :D

sketchrob said:

Angel - Wha??? why not post? where is this video????

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

sketchrob said:

Yeah the OT music is cool only thing is the editing/pace doesnt reflect the speed of the old-school Williams music. Yo me, the action feels sluggish when ran under the OT tracks... Just my 2 cents :)

 

 I know it's different but I would actually say that that's backwards. The OT had *fewer* quick cuts and the music accented the actions on screen. The PT has the quickest cuts in the action scenes. And Williams' score in the PT doesn't have the same (for lack of a better musical term) "accents" for the onscreen action. If that makes any sense! ;)    My 2 cents.

Oh I agree about the PT music, but I think what I meant was someting Ady had alluded to before, about the editing in the PT is not the same as in the OT. Great job either way!

Oh! Well then I guess we agree! :D

Bingowings said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Alright here we go, ben_danger  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4

 

See I told you the eye droid with a scanning laser idea had legs.

There are a few too many calls of "Padme!"(I half expected someone to call out "Doctor Scott!", "Janet!") and the OT music doesn't always capture the mood (it's sometimes heroic when it should be evoking dynamic tension).

But on the whole a successful stab.

 

 Yes I do believe I stole that idea from you! ;)

I *did* wonder if I had too many "padme!"s in there...believ it or not I actually had more than that!

And I know what you're saying about the OT music...I feel I'm not partiicularly good at finding the right pieces...you know it's funny because in the original Lucas and Burtt butchered williams score...and now I did too! :D

guitarfan01 said:

SSWR, I really like that cut, it makes it seem a lot more frantic and there's tension in the scene for probably the first time I've ever seen it.

In addition to what was mentioned earlier, when Anakin releases Padme through the force, his lightsaber is on.  I know that's because you repurposed a shot from earlier in the sequence, but that does need to be fixed, if possible.

Otherwise, a really good job.  Though it makes me feel like I'm flying the Millennium Falcon in X-Wing Alliance. :p  Is there any way you could get some good JW music from another source, maybe an Indiana Jones film or Minority Report, or anywhere else he's done action music?  Obviously, it can't be anything super-obvious, but an action cue from Minority Report or something might work.

 Thank you for the great feedback! Yeah, I don't have a way to get rid of the lightsbaer in that shot.  :(    darn after effects so expensive...

Again I don't feel very confident at picking out the music...I have a version of the vid with just the sound fx...anyone want to take a stab at it?

ben_danger said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Alright here we go, ben_danger  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4

 

 

wow! that is so cool! i cant believe i didnt think about him pulling the cup thing down with the force, that is such a better idea. the eyeball was a great idea too, i think the lack of geonosians was a good idea too. i like the way he is calling padme alot, i may try and find her wailing anakin from clone wars a bit if i do it again on mine.

 

so...heres my attempt. after watching yours it really doesnt compare, i aplogise for not getting it out at the same time, internet is being a tad annoying uploading stuff, took all night!:P im afraid i didnt have enough time to do sfx, and as the original scene is so thick with musc its hard to isolate any. the general idea was to make it like the chasm scene in ANH and to give the innocence of luke/leia to anikin and padme.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UViRzVcryj8&feature=channel

 ben_danger! Dude there is some really good stuff here! I love the chasm music at the beginning...very OT and creepy! I think my other favorite part is Anakin being knocked off the belt by the arm...it would be great if there was another shot of him landing and then have Fett come in with the droids...

But you're right...it does give that feeling of the Luke/Liea innocence...

Again, great job!

And thanks for the feedback...Yeah I really wanted more dialouge between the anakin and padme...I wish I had anakin saying "where are you?!!" and stuff like that...darn...

sketchrob said:

Yeah the OT music is cool only thing is the editing/pace doesnt reflect the speed of the old-school Williams music. Yo me, the action feels sluggish when ran under the OT tracks... Just my 2 cents :)

 I know it's different but I would actually say that that's backwards. The OT had *fewer* quick cuts and the music accented the actions on screen. The PT has the quickest cuts in the action scenes. And Williams' score in the PT doesn't have the same (for lack of a better musical term) "accents" for the onscreen action. If that makes any sense! ;)    My 2 cents.

Josh said:

very nice, love the ot music too. You should take a look back at Trooperman version of the scene, It's hard to remember of the top of my head but from what I do

New start

Anakin kicks those bugs buts before they even fire a shot

Color correction

When the big metal pole hits him, is because he's distracted by padmes scream

R2 saves the day without flying, it's a surprise

All in all win

I like the start to this one too, very unique!

 Thanks Josh!

-I'm not a fan of the bugs...so I cut them! ;)

-And even though it needs it, I'm not gonna attempt color correction...no idea what I'm doing.

-The pole idea is good though...

Thanks again!

Alright here we go, ben_danger  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4

ben_danger said:

wow thats really cool vaderios. looks like it should be in one of those old star wars films or something....;)

 BD, you have a PM...

vaderios said:

RoccondilRinon said:

 I took was that it was an actual airlock thing (so not necessary in the atmosphere)

Its a polluted atmosphere lol

Ben hur?

 

-Angel

 

 This is the best color correction i've ever seen for this particular scene :D

OK, sorry to derail but I have to say...

-Sam Jackson tried to be his badass self...which Jedi are NOT suppose to be!

-Sam makes some bizzare faces in all 3 movies...especially AOTC.

-His character had nothing to do except flip flop about Anakin: "He is too old...you're apprentice is the only one who can bring the force back into balance...I don't trust him." What the hell?

Thanks for letting me vent! ;)

ben_danger said:

i can get it done for then if you want. want to send me a PM when its done? maybe afterwards a hybrid can be created from the best bits

i must admit some of the ideas mentioned do seem to detract from the usual star wars formula, i would love to have a stab at a reborn style project like that though. star wars but not star wars. hmmmmm

maybe the opening scene with anakin can be editted or even cut completely. what if the film was lead from padme? i always thought it would be interesting to see padme leading the PT over anakin, so the relationship with vader would switch from mother to son in the OT.

Yeah, sounds good...I'll PM you when I'm ready.

That's kind of what I was doing with my AOTC Fan-O-Matic...Padme is the lead character...but then it shifts over to Obi and Anakin. 

ben_danger said:

not written, more of a daydream at best.

AOTC outline should revolve around a certain tone, hopefully it should end on with a the same feeling we get in the early coruscant scenes in ROTS, ie moody and suspicious. i have been wondering about starting points for it, and what kind of pace and realism it should have too. alot of the subjects should be shifted around a bit perhaps

 

more pulpy, hard chissled men and their hysterical female companions....maybe not that sexist, but a bit more gunga din perhaps.

no mention of sith (they still exist, but this film should be darkside free)

romance should be less, well, unlikely. padme should perhaps be in love with anakin before he is with her, explaining why he is so wooden all the time. hopefully it will make the romance slowly grow throughout AOTC and ROTS, so it doesnt seem to be over as soon as it started.

alternative scoring and recolouring

added retro elements such as control panels, and as many people keep mentioning, less landing sequences!:P

more assassinations at the beginning culminating in the senate attack

new title, preferably something without 'of the' in the middle of it.

 

i love that scene with anakin on tatooine by SSWR using the alternative binary sunset score. perhaps 'silent scenes' to music like that could add more weight to them.

the film could loud and punchy until the execution scene, where the music stops for the first time, hopefully grabbing the viewers attention in a different manner, as if the only real moment in the film is that one.

 

 I'm liking you're day dreams! ;)

...but I'm wondering: are you still thinking about it have that Star Wars "feel" to it? Becuase with all the editing it could feel like a different movie...but I'm voting for making it still feel like a star wars movie.

You're idea of padme falling for anakin first makes alot of sense (I love the way you edited that scene of them eating on the ship) as far as anakins performance goes...I'm just wondering out loud how would you really introduce anakins character at the beginning of the film? because anakins intro is him talking about padme...hmm

will you be posting your droid factory scene soon? I think I'll be ready by wednesday or thursday...

ben_danger said:

SSWR, mine isnt as advanced at the moment, one thing im trying to do though is trim as much of the CG, as it is so obvious in this scene. are you doing colour correction? i think we should start thinking of making an outline for an AOTC edit, though i like the idea of us simultaneously working on the same edit to see what the differences are! want to set a time to release them in unison so we dont steal ideas?;)

I do like cutting the obvious CG...the geonosiens (however you spell their race name) are probably THE WORST LOOKING CG characters in the whole PT...worse than Dex!...well maybe... ;)   Sadly, I don't have a way to make them look better.

I've cut 3PO and R2 out of my edit (lot's of edits do this) and I tried to tie Anakin and Padme's cliffhangers together. I'm attempting to find "new" john williams music for this scene...right now I'm using ANH. It seems to work pretty well and give it that "feeling" of the OT. Oh! And they now enter the factory a little differently :D

Color correction? no...I don't have an eye for that stuff....I can tell you what looks *bad* but I can't tell you why...so I don't think I know enough ;)

Darn! I was hoping to see yours first so I could steal ideas! ;)

It would be cool to set a certain time....not sure if I can meet a deadline...although I hope to have it finished really soon...next few days...

Yeah, what are you're thoughts on the AOTC outline? Do you have one written out? or in your head? There are so many things to think about...not only for this movie...but plots and characters that get setup for a ROTS edit.

ben_danger said:

got alot of cursework on, but im intermittently working on the droid factory scene from AOTC. trying to give it a similar feel to the canyon in ANH, with some heavy editting. its a bit cut and past though.

how about you SSWR? i get the feeling AOTC edits are definitely flavor of the month!:)

 this is just weird, BD...I have an almost completed version of the droid factory. I've gone in and stripped out most of the sound fx and started replacing them...that's the part that takes the longest...but it's coming along...I'll have to finish it up to show you.

can't wait to see yours! :D

ben_danger said:

if i was ever to make a full saga wide edit, i would make it 5 films, starting with a heavily editted AOTC, a heavily editted sith, then a tweaked OT. just thought id let people know.:P

 

i think the reborn project was the only ever way to make the secrets work well, alternatively watching the movies I, IV, II, V, III, VI also works well.

 I hope it IS possible to make a saga that DOES save the secrets for the OT. I think that is adywans plan (at least for now) so I personally am trying to think along those lines...that's what my small edits are attempting to do. :D

Hey ben_danger, you got any new videos you're working on?

Bingowings said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

IG-88 and 4-LOM would beg to differ with you on that one SSWR ;-)

 

 Wait...what?

Lucas pulled the old 'let's just talk about it and not show it' gag. The battle droids have been apart of all three movies...why shouldn't they be shown shutting down? It's kind of momentous occasion right?

I was writing in response to your comment -

That dialouge from Palps explains why there are no battle droids in the OT but it goes by so quickly...I think it's important to show.

It doesn't chime with the evidence:

 

Aahhhhh....now I see. :D

I *do* really like this...much better. It's funny because I never really had a problem with the city so much as I did the fake CGI sea and clouds.

Bingowings said:

IG-88 and 4-LOM would beg to differ with you on that one SSWR ;-)

 Wait...what?

Lucas pulled the old 'let's just talk about it and not show it' gag. The battle droids have been apart of all three movies...why shouldn't they be shown shutting down? It's kind of momentous occasion right?

Somthing I'd like to see in ROTS:

-"...all droid units must shut down immediatly."

-Just use that shot from TPM and show us! That dialouge from Palps explains why there are no battle droids in the OT but it goes by so quickly...I think it's important to show.

ben_danger said:

that sounds much better, perhaps a throw away line could be made from yoda, though im not sure if it is necessary, just like 'this place is hidden from the force' or something as such to explain why they are there. the claustrophobic atmosphere of the planet should be enough to show that they are hiding. i can't stop thinking about mattes of having headlights illuminating the scarily dark planet.

i definitely agree on having yoda not mention the exile buisness. having obi wan, bail (and padme, corpse or uncorpse) going their seperate ways, will hopefully force a 'loose end' that will get tied up in ESB. it makes yodas insane chatter seem so much more dark now, thinking he has just been losing it in lonliness for 20 years!

how hard would it be i wonder to remove padme from the table? it would be cool to have her give birth outside, though a logical reason would be hard to grasp. i really like the idea of 'it is too dangerous to deliver the babies in space' dialogue.

 

cant wait to see the next installment of SSWR. for the record i still cant stop thinking of the bugs life clip, my girlfriend keeps on chanting it whenever it appears in the films!:P

'this place is hidden from the force' line could really work...I just don't know how anyone could create that line from exsisting yoda dialouge...maybe someone could redub that one line...anyone good at a yoda voice? ;)

Removing Padme from the table seems a bit impossible...yes you could rotoscope her but getting the lighting to match with dagobah and make it look seamless seems impossible... :(

Thanks for the compliment on the bugslife clip!

guitarfan01 said:

I vote against the "it is too dangerous to have the babies in space" line: it's ridiculous (a society so advanced but they can't afford to have a baby in space? come on), it's exposition instead of just doing it, and it would obviously be there just to make sure they land on Dagobah just to tie it in with the OT.  Like too many things in the PT already.  I love the landing/meeting on Dagobah idea, and really really like the way SSWR mentioned it, with Dagobah kind of existing as a "Force-cloaked" hideaway for them after Order 66 and everything goes to crap.

Thank you for that insightful comment guitarfan01.  Yes, I believe you're right...it's spelling it out for the audience...

vaderios said:

Some simple color correction. I took the palette from ESB when luke is in the hospital frigate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB7_YoKKT-M

-Angel

I love this look! And now it can pass for the tantive!

vaderios said:

BarBar Jinkx said:

To be honest it always bothered me that there was so many men stood outside a glass wall watching her give birth.

Have they no decency, give the poor girl some privacy for Jebus' sake!

so much for a more civilized age!! LOL

Its possible to blur the windows.

-Angel

 

Yes! This could come in handy...especially if we're not going to show Liea being born...

Ok, so, Davnes, I'm not trying to step on you're toes...but I firgued I should post what I was working on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uk8pB0nnu0

Oh...I should mention I really like what you made, Davnes...I hadn't even thought about Yoda being *outside* the ship...thanks for the idea! :D

BarBar Jinkx said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

ben_danger said:

i would agree on having them meet on dagoba, far more simple, plus i can imagine a really nice matte of the blockade runner and naboo ship facing each other, its almost like a 'passing the torch shot'.

 

the tantive IV is far more interesting visally than the naboo craft in my eyes, so i would prefer to see it entering the clouds, but it may make more sense to be following the naboo craft and have the tantive IV there waiting.

 

something to add to the PT:R request list would be have the tantive IV changed to match the OT colours, but its not vital.

 

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?

 

right!;)

 

I thought I should let you all know that I've started a very rough edit of these few scenes. The question I have is: If the tantive does indeed have this medical station onboard WHY do they need to land on dagobah? Earlier in the film Obiwan meets up with Bail and Yoda somewhere in space...why not just do that again? One solution I've come up with is that the droid tells them something like: "We need to land somewhere nearby to make a safe delivery." I don't know...what do you guys think?

 

 

I never liked how Yoda gave up so quickly fighting Palpatine 

move the "Into exile I must go!" line to later on and this might help as a transition from them being in space to being on Dagobah 

 

(crap 18.00) I wont be able to say any more till tomorrow (damn iPhone not letting me post on here)

 

let me know what you think SSWR

 

 It's funny because the other day I was playing with the Yoda escape scene and I cut the Yoda line completely. This, again, is another lets-spell-it-out-for-the-audience piece of dialouge. We *know* he failed. And why tell us he must go into exile when it would be much more interesting for us as the audience to wonder where he is up until ESB.

So are you suggesting that when Obiwan meets up with Yoda and Bail the *first* time in ROTS that it *not* be somewhere in space but actually be on dagobah? Because THAT could work...

So it could be like:

Obi: my clones turned on me...

Bail: we're sending you our coordinates...

-wipe to dagobah with Obiwan landing and continue with scene on board the tantive

-continue movie as is until we leave mustafar

-no asteroid planet thingy. instead yoda and bail are back at dagobah hiding and waiting for obiwan

Bail: we'll take her to the medical station...

-medical station is now on board the tantive...which is on dagobah

Hmm?

ben_danger said:

i would agree on having them meet on dagoba, far more simple, plus i can imagine a really nice matte of the blockade runner and naboo ship facing each other, its almost like a 'passing the torch shot'.

 

the tantive IV is far more interesting visally than the naboo craft in my eyes, so i would prefer to see it entering the clouds, but it may make more sense to be following the naboo craft and have the tantive IV there waiting.

 

something to add to the PT:R request list would be have the tantive IV changed to match the OT colours, but its not vital.

 

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?

 

right!;)

I thought I should let you all know that I've started a very rough edit of these few scenes. The question I have is: If the tantive does indeed have this medical station onboard WHY do they need to land on dagobah? Earlier in the film Obiwan meets up with Bail and Yoda somewhere in space...why not just do that again? One solution I've come up with is that the droid tells them something like: "We need to land somewhere nearby to make a safe delivery." I don't know...what do you guys think?

SilverKey said:

Great work Bingowings!

I agree with JediMasterFisher, this would be a great change to the prequels. I remember there being a lot of speculation around the time of Episodes 2 and 3 where Luke and Leia would be born. With Dagobah seeming so familiar to Luke, I too always asumed they were born on Dagobah.

Your mockup looks so good, it might actually be done. I never liked how random Polis Massa was anyway. One problem though, how are we going to get Obi-Wan, Padme and the droids from Padme's ship (which they use to leave Mustafar) to the Tantive 4?

Crap. You're right, SilverKey.

-Maybe you could start in the asteroid field...or maybe just space...OR on Dagobah:

-"Obiwan has made contact"

-new shot of the two ships coming together and then wipe to the next scene.

-OR new shot of Padme's ship meeting the Tantive ON dagobah?

Anyone else got ideas?