Somthing I'd like to see in ROTS:
-"...all droid units must shut down immediatly."
-Just use that shot from TPM and show us! That dialouge from Palps explains why there are no battle droids in the OT but it goes by so quickly...I think it's important to show.
ben_danger said:that sounds much better, perhaps a throw away line could be made from yoda, though im not sure if it is necessary, just like 'this place is hidden from the force' or something as such to explain why they are there. the claustrophobic atmosphere of the planet should be enough to show that they are hiding. i can't stop thinking about mattes of having headlights illuminating the scarily dark planet.
i definitely agree on having yoda not mention the exile buisness. having obi wan, bail (and padme, corpse or uncorpse) going their seperate ways, will hopefully force a 'loose end' that will get tied up in ESB. it makes yodas insane chatter seem so much more dark now, thinking he has just been losing it in lonliness for 20 years!
how hard would it be i wonder to remove padme from the table? it would be cool to have her give birth outside, though a logical reason would be hard to grasp. i really like the idea of 'it is too dangerous to deliver the babies in space' dialogue.
cant wait to see the next installment of SSWR. for the record i still cant stop thinking of the bugs life clip, my girlfriend keeps on chanting it whenever it appears in the films!:P
'this place is hidden from the force' line could really work...I just don't know how anyone could create that line from exsisting yoda dialouge...maybe someone could redub that one line...anyone good at a yoda voice? ;)
Removing Padme from the table seems a bit impossible...yes you could rotoscope her but getting the lighting to match with dagobah and make it look seamless seems impossible... :(
Thanks for the compliment on the bugslife clip!
guitarfan01 said:I vote against the "it is too dangerous to have the babies in space" line: it's ridiculous (a society so advanced but they can't afford to have a baby in space? come on), it's exposition instead of just doing it, and it would obviously be there just to make sure they land on Dagobah just to tie it in with the OT. Like too many things in the PT already. I love the landing/meeting on Dagobah idea, and really really like the way SSWR mentioned it, with Dagobah kind of existing as a "Force-cloaked" hideaway for them after Order 66 and everything goes to crap.
Thank you for that insightful comment guitarfan01. Yes, I believe you're right...it's spelling it out for the audience...
vaderios said:Some simple color correction. I took the palette from ESB when luke is in the hospital frigate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB7_YoKKT-M
-Angel
I love this look! And now it can pass for the tantive!
vaderios said:BarBar Jinkx said:To be honest it always bothered me that there was so many men stood outside a glass wall watching her give birth.
Have they no decency, give the poor girl some privacy for Jebus' sake!
so much for a more civilized age!! LOL
Its possible to blur the windows.
-Angel
Yes! This could come in handy...especially if we're not going to show Liea being born...
Ok, so, Davnes, I'm not trying to step on you're toes...but I firgued I should post what I was working on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uk8pB0nnu0
Oh...I should mention I really like what you made, Davnes...I hadn't even thought about Yoda being *outside* the ship...thanks for the idea! :D
BarBar Jinkx said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:ben_danger said:i would agree on having them meet on dagoba, far more simple, plus i can imagine a really nice matte of the blockade runner and naboo ship facing each other, its almost like a 'passing the torch shot'.
the tantive IV is far more interesting visally than the naboo craft in my eyes, so i would prefer to see it entering the clouds, but it may make more sense to be following the naboo craft and have the tantive IV there waiting.
something to add to the PT:R request list would be have the tantive IV changed to match the OT colours, but its not vital.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?
right!;)
I thought I should let you all know that I've started a very rough edit of these few scenes. The question I have is: If the tantive does indeed have this medical station onboard WHY do they need to land on dagobah? Earlier in the film Obiwan meets up with Bail and Yoda somewhere in space...why not just do that again? One solution I've come up with is that the droid tells them something like: "We need to land somewhere nearby to make a safe delivery." I don't know...what do you guys think?
I never liked how Yoda gave up so quickly fighting Palpatine
move the "Into exile I must go!" line to later on and this might help as a transition from them being in space to being on Dagobah
(crap 18.00) I wont be able to say any more till tomorrow (damn iPhone not letting me post on here)
let me know what you think SSWR
It's funny because the other day I was playing with the Yoda escape scene and I cut the Yoda line completely. This, again, is another lets-spell-it-out-for-the-audience piece of dialouge. We *know* he failed. And why tell us he must go into exile when it would be much more interesting for us as the audience to wonder where he is up until ESB.
So are you suggesting that when Obiwan meets up with Yoda and Bail the *first* time in ROTS that it *not* be somewhere in space but actually be on dagobah? Because THAT could work...
So it could be like:
Obi: my clones turned on me...
Bail: we're sending you our coordinates...
-wipe to dagobah with Obiwan landing and continue with scene on board the tantive
-continue movie as is until we leave mustafar
-no asteroid planet thingy. instead yoda and bail are back at dagobah hiding and waiting for obiwan
Bail: we'll take her to the medical station...
-medical station is now on board the tantive...which is on dagobah
Hmm?
ben_danger said:i would agree on having them meet on dagoba, far more simple, plus i can imagine a really nice matte of the blockade runner and naboo ship facing each other, its almost like a 'passing the torch shot'.
the tantive IV is far more interesting visally than the naboo craft in my eyes, so i would prefer to see it entering the clouds, but it may make more sense to be following the naboo craft and have the tantive IV there waiting.
something to add to the PT:R request list would be have the tantive IV changed to match the OT colours, but its not vital.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?
right!;)
I thought I should let you all know that I've started a very rough edit of these few scenes. The question I have is: If the tantive does indeed have this medical station onboard WHY do they need to land on dagobah? Earlier in the film Obiwan meets up with Bail and Yoda somewhere in space...why not just do that again? One solution I've come up with is that the droid tells them something like: "We need to land somewhere nearby to make a safe delivery." I don't know...what do you guys think?
SilverKey said:Great work Bingowings!
I agree with JediMasterFisher, this would be a great change to the prequels. I remember there being a lot of speculation around the time of Episodes 2 and 3 where Luke and Leia would be born. With Dagobah seeming so familiar to Luke, I too always asumed they were born on Dagobah.
Your mockup looks so good, it might actually be done. I never liked how random Polis Massa was anyway. One problem though, how are we going to get Obi-Wan, Padme and the droids from Padme's ship (which they use to leave Mustafar) to the Tantive 4?
Crap. You're right, SilverKey.
-Maybe you could start in the asteroid field...or maybe just space...OR on Dagobah:
-"Obiwan has made contact"
-new shot of the two ships coming together and then wipe to the next scene.
-OR new shot of Padme's ship meeting the Tantive ON dagobah?
Anyone else got ideas?
JediMasterFisher said:Monroville said:Bingowings said:Here are a couple of mockups showing Bail Organa's ship landing on Dagobah.
This would serve two purposes, now Yoda doesn't have to hide his escape pod in the swamp (he just walks down the ramp) and it explains why Luke finds the place so familiar (he was born there and not on some fancy asteroid base in the middle of nowhere):
Really cool! But if you can (if you or someone manages to make the scene) please do it similar to the Falcon approach to Yavin 4 (as in: we see it head to Dagobah, it flies over the shroud of fog and the following shot is it already landed above. Please, no more PT landing shots... <:( )
ok this NEEDS to happen.
Before Episode III came out I was really looking forward to seeing them land on Dagabah and even see luke and leia born there. The line Luke said when he was there about "something fimilar about this place" I always though ment he was born there. when I found out he and leia were born on as asteroid I was very mad at this. Please someone MAKE THIS CHANGE!!!!!!!!
Yes Bingowings! This is genious! Why has noone thought of this before?
So are we saying here that Padme gives birth here? If so, then where is this medical station? We could just say it's on the ship...? If so, why bother landing? Hmmm...this HAS to work! :D
Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?
And I agree with everyone else that there's too much ship landing in the PT. Only when needed for story or establishing shots.
Bingowings said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Bingowings said:Further to my comment earlier I've amended the haunted hut scenerio a bit.
When Luke lands Threepio (who has been left with the Falcon) says something along the lines of "Master Luke, I tried to stop them...."
To which he says something like "Oh no...Leia!". (I'm sure something along those lines can be sampled from other sources).
The Hut scene plays out in the evening as he has been planning his rescue plan for the rescue plan that's already gone wrong and Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience....
This looks more promising!
But what do you mean: "Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience...." What dialouge?
He explains that Leia is his sister and Vader's daughter.
Anakin put his fear of losing Padme before his head and falls, Luke put his fear of losing his friends at Cloud City and almost falls, Leia is putting her fear of losing Han before everything and get's captured.
The family tree has more than strength in the Force running through it (something that is played up again when Vader uses it as a trigger to almost turn Luke).
Oh I understand...I thought you were referring to some other dialouge that might actually use the words "Liea's lack of patience". Nevermind! :D
ben_danger said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knAtC8lxQJg
it has some clips in, but really bad quality. interesting material though!
OK, something has just dawned on me while watching this again.
I *think* THIS was the original ending for AOTC. Yes, they would've chased Dooku and battled him but that would've been it! And you'll notice that no CLONES are in this video.
Here's a lovely quote regarding the first clone war battle: "...we bypassed storyboards altogether and went straight into animatics." - Rick McCallum
Why no storyboards? Because Lucas decided to change the ending of the movie last mintue! It would have been a rehash of TPM ending so he changed it.
So *IF* I'm right (had Lucas contiuned with his original plan) Yoda never would've showed up with the clones at all! Interesting...
I *think* there's another quote of McCallum talking about Geogre coming in one day and saying something like "what if Yoda showed up last minute?" I don't know for sure...I'll try and find it....maybe on the commentary...
Bingowings said:Further to my comment earlier I've amended the haunted hut scenerio a bit.
When Luke lands Threepio (who has been left with the Falcon) says something along the lines of "Master Luke, I tried to stop them...."
To which he says something like "Oh no...Leia!". (I'm sure something along those lines can be sampled from other sources).
The Hut scene plays out in the evening as he has been planning his rescue plan for the rescue plan that's already gone wrong and Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience....
This looks more promising!
But what do you mean: "Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience...." What dialouge?
ben_danger said:got carried away.
had a tinker with obiwan/jango fight in geonosis.
though one thought is to maybe have this scene as he is approaching kamino, as if they are protecting the secret from him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VASUJhw-qOc&feature=channel_page
I'm digging your style ben_danger...I think we're on similar wave lengths :)
Ya know what might help this fight? IF Jango were to be redubbed you could add him saying a thing or two to Obi over the intercom thingy (like in ROTJ)...
Man, I still hate alot of those CGI shots in this film...the camera and the ships are zooming around all over the place...there's no real weight to them...IMHO :D
BarBar Jinkx said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14
It's rough but what do ya think?
-Tried making Anakin a likable guy.
-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.
-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.
-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...
Just had a thought, now that the scene of yoda looking at Palps with the "what you up to?" look
put it later on when they are discussing the emergency powers amendment in his office
I actually made a version of that some time ago. If that shot of Yoda gets used...I think that would be a good place...
ben_danger said:meh, were both british. just seen it though, its really great! i could imagine the explosion being huge, but only if we had perhaps seen a montage of similar terrorist attacks. maybe padme's could included, but we assume that she is blown up in the ship.
the dooku hologram is pretty cool! in regards to alternative dialogue for the RoTS possible dooku/sidious opening, perhaps something from the clone wars could be used.
another thought too, in regards to dookus name, how many time is 'dooku' actually mentioned throughout he whole film? if its not many, then perhaps changing wouldnt be too hard?
Glad you liked it!
A montage might be possible...or maybe that could be described in the opening crawl? It would obviously be better if shown though....speaking of the opening crawl...what do you think it should say as far as the seperatists are concerned?
Yeah, I guess I should get around to seeing the clone wars movie :P
Oops! In my youtube video I credited Bingowings...Sorry ben_danger! For some reason I got your names mixed up in my head! :D
ben_danger said:well AOTC could be like the Prisoner of Azkaban of STAR WARS. without voldemort (sith subplot) the characters all evolved a little, and it was like the intermission before thngs started getting darker. also in ROTS, if the jedi are percieved to be becoming corrupt, palaptine springing the sith on anakin could perhaps seem like a positive thing? (i think ID was talking about this earlier)
id like to see all the PT sabers turned to blue for jedi (just thought to mention that again for the hundredth time) if dooku is rogue, then i guess he could take any colour, but blue may be used. i liked him with yellow in magnolia fan's edition. maybe we should make a screenshot gallery of his many sabers.
an alternative is have dooku as a sith, but not revealed in AOTC, perhaps by shifting ROTS around, and somehow having it revealed at the beginning of it, maybe having that final scene of AOTC with dooku and sidious put at the beginning, but enstead of coruscant, it is somewhere else, maybe a huge battlefleet.
does the EPIII computer game have a different opening to the film?
This sounds promising. I'm still hung up on the whole color lightsaber thing...I can't decide if I like the idea of changing whats already there in the films...but still some cool thoughts!
And moving the Dooku/Palps scene to ROTS? VERY interesting! Although the line: "...the war has begun" seems a little obvious...unless it's used in another context...
Davnes007 said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Davnes007 said:The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.
Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)
I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?
And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...
I always thought that when Palpy finished Padme's sentence, Yoda looked at Palpy as if to say/think "WTF?...finished Padme's sentence he just did, the force he is using?" (yes, Yoda even thinks in 'Yoda-ese', lol).
So, it's not 'the plan' that Yoda is concerned about, it's Palps possible knowledge of the force that he's concerned about.
:) Just my 1.99 cents worth.
I don't know...people finish each others sentences all the time in the real world ya know? But I see what you're saying ;)
Histeria said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14
It's rough but what do ya think?
-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.
-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.
-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.
-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...
A minor thing, but I'd lose "who's trying to kill you" in the apartment scene, to avoid unnatural conversation repetition.
i.e.
Padme: "I want to know who's trying to kill me"
Anakin" We will find out who's trying to kill you, Padme"
Yes! Thank you! I hated the way I had it! :D
DarthBo said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:vaderios said:I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.
I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.
Keep it up.
-Angel
Thank you Angel. Are you referring to the Jedi-and-security-searching-the-building-scene? Yeah...just an idea...hoping it might build a little tension...
I have to disagree with Angel here, I really liked what you did there.
I was thinking about the idea of more senators being killed and a bomb going off in a senate meeting and I had an idea for a scene...
Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."
-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators
-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face
Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."
-reactions from the senate
-close up of Palps
-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."
Something like that...what do you think?
:o
make
it
happen
Thank you for the complement, DarthBo. And it's funny you want to see that scene...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NAqWKeIFVI
*note* it may take a minute or two...I've just uploaded it.
ben_danger said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."
-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators
-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face
Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."
-reactions from the senate
-close up of Palps
-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."
Something like that...what do you think?
how do you figure this stuff out? that would work amazingly!
i also agree on making palps as nice as possible, maybe even making him seem innocent to the point of idiocy. kind of related to the palpatine innocence point, is that if dooku is not a sith, AOTC could be sith/red lightsaber free, thus maybe even allowing us to forget about sidious, so maybe furthering him from that identity even more.
Are you talking about the whole purple saber for Dooku? Or removing his lightsaber battling completely?
kind of forgeting about Sidious in AOTC? yesssss..... :D
Davnes007 said:ben_danger said:anakin on various hormone medication. i personally like -150 and -200 pitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKTPNL7piU&feature=channel_page
I think the -200 setting is a bit too low. The -150 setting sounds good.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14
It's rough but what do ya think?
...
The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.
Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)
I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?
And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...But why does Palpatine have to be behind every possible plot point? Can't some things just happen? In my ideal version the Palpatine/Sidious reveal would hardly be suggested at all...until of course ROTS. I would remove that obvious close up shot of Palps at the end of TPM...anything remotely like that...until ROTS...THEN it becomes a surprise just like the Vader/father thing in ESB.
Sorry 007, I'm not upset at you...that's just been on my mind ;)
vaderios said:I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.
I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.
Keep it up.
-Angel
Thank you Angel. Are you referring to the Jedi-and-security-searching-the-building-scene? Yeah...just an idea...hoping it might build a little tension...
ben_danger said:if anyone wants to, we could agree on a framework, and build a rough edit of AOTC via connected mockups on youtube, via a playlist? some of my bits could go with SSWR bits, and then just make some little clips to connect them. it would be rough, but maybe create a decent framework for someone more....obsessive.....
This could be fun! I'm not sure how consistant I can be with submiting videos (real life takes over quite a bit) but yeah... :D
ben_danger, I was thinking about the idea of more senators being killed and a bomb going off in a senate meeting and I had an idea for a scene...
Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."
-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators
-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face
Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."
-reactions from the senate
-close up of Palps
-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."
Something like that...what do you think?
ben_danger said:ooooh, really cool ideas SSWR. it makes great use of dialogue that is usually cut. i especially liked the lift part.
been thinking of a few ideas for an AOTC edit, trying to orientate it to a noir detective story that phases into the pulp jungle (indiana jones) ending. maybe we could bounce some of them around a bit to see if theyd work?
two key ideas are:
either an opening or early on in the film, BEFORE padmes attack, there are a series of assassinations on senators, maybe a characteristic bomb is seen? a cool scene, would be the deleted scene of padme addressing the senate, only for a bomb to interrupt her which kills some more senators. this would hopefully make her seem in more danger. im guessing the assassination attempt upon her would have to be viewed before the senate bomb.
obi wan doesnt discover the clones, they are not clones of jango. he finds jango somewhere else perhaps, and follows hm to geonosis. maybe the jedi start to question why the seperatists are trying to assassinate the only senators who are against the creation of the clone army. the clone army isnt a secret, and is perhaps a small experimental program, that needs the go ahead for full production
a possible alternative opening? maybe something to do with the seperatists, or the clones.
I'm liking these ideas, ben_danger. I'm not sure how you would rearrange the whole Jango/clone plot but it's worth discussing. I really do like the idea of more senators deaths. A bomb in the deleted senate scene could maybe work...I also like the idea of empty pods in that scene as well...showing that there have been others leaving the crumbling republic. (I forget who originally suggested this)
An alternate opening? That might be cool...I think it would still have to be similar in style...just like all of the other movies...
Thanks for the feedback too! :D
Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14
It's rough but what do ya think?
-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.
-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.
-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.
-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...
shanerjedi said:7)Get rid of Vader's dialogue " No I will deal with them myself." Just have him stop at "No".
I would even remove "No". We don't need to know what Vader is thinking at this point. We, as the audience, should be wondering (just as Luke is) what Vader is thinking. We then find out that he goes to the emperor to tell him whats going on.
TMBTM said:Maybe just an "Obi-Wan killed her" line can be done with mixing some Palpatine's lines and used on one of the shots of Vader (emperor as voice over), hope I make myself clear...! ;\
But it would be hard to believe, even for Anakin, that Obi-Wan killed a pregnant woman... God it's tricky...
And maybe pointless if we can find a more radical change for the end of ROTS.
The problem would be ANH. Wouldn't Vader say something about this to Obi-Wan on the death star?
BarBar Jinkx said:Yeah I think we are really onto something with the "don't tell padme" bit
Yeah, especially since there is some truly terrible dialouge in this scene.
"I will even learn people to stop from dying!" What? Was that an actual sentence? ;)
I'm wondering...did you guys like the Palpatine dialouge in my altered scene?
Sluggo said:I'm liking this idea more and more.
By removing the scene, it helps justify his relationship with Padme, but it wastes potential for the audience to see Anakin at his darkest. And by putting Palps in it, maybe you could keep the sith music as well.
For me, the question is: should Anakin kill *anyone* in AOTC? We need to like him (he is the hero after all...or one of them) in AOTC and this makes his fall in ROTS tragic.
Sluggo said:Interesting concept, SSWR. That idea has potential for great things. And by keeping it from Padme, it makes her look less like a lunatic for falling in love with him.
Exactly. :D
AND it really solidifies the Anakin/Palpatine relationship...
Here's my early version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4cCQrlxAfw
My thoughts are it should be left ambiguous as to wether Anakin told Palps or not...we then find out in ROTS that he in fact DID.
Octorox said:No offense but I completely despise TheoOdo's idea. The point of the prequels is to show the glory day's of the old republic and how they came to an end. There needs to be a huge but gradual shift in attitude and style from TPM to ANH. To have the Jedi and the Republic already laughable Day 1 does not show that.
Well, like Monroville said...the TF are implying this...not that they actually ARE (think about Tarkin's statements in ANH).
Here's my take on this glory day/hey day of the republic/Jedi dialouge that's always thrown about. Guess where we all got this particular wording/thought process? That's right. Lucas himself. Remember those web docs they released before each prequel film?
And when you look at each film with those thoughts already in your mind-...
It's kind of like if Lucas had said "In the PT you'll find that 2 + 2 = 4." Then, after hearing this, you go see these movies and on screen it's showing that 1 + 1 = 4! And we are trying to make it all fit in our minds: "But Lucas SAID it was the other way...so...it MUST be there SOMEWHERE in the films!" And it's simply not there but we don't want to give up on making it work-...hmmm...that's what this whole forum is about isn't it? ;)
The Jedi ARE in their prime...I think that's what Lucas intended, but it's not on screen. If they were in their prime, they would have found "alternatives to fighting" and the like.
Forgive my rambling...I'm still figuring out my take on the PT. I think I just contradicted myself a few times! ;)
