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sketchrob said:

Yeah the OT music is cool only thing is the editing/pace doesnt reflect the speed of the old-school Williams music. Yo me, the action feels sluggish when ran under the OT tracks... Just my 2 cents :)

 I know it's different but I would actually say that that's backwards. The OT had *fewer* quick cuts and the music accented the actions on screen. The PT has the quickest cuts in the action scenes. And Williams' score in the PT doesn't have the same (for lack of a better musical term) "accents" for the onscreen action. If that makes any sense! ;)    My 2 cents.

Josh said:

very nice, love the ot music too. You should take a look back at Trooperman version of the scene, It's hard to remember of the top of my head but from what I do

New start

Anakin kicks those bugs buts before they even fire a shot

Color correction

When the big metal pole hits him, is because he's distracted by padmes scream

R2 saves the day without flying, it's a surprise

All in all win

I like the start to this one too, very unique!

 Thanks Josh!

-I'm not a fan of the bugs...so I cut them! ;)

-And even though it needs it, I'm not gonna attempt color correction...no idea what I'm doing.

-The pole idea is good though...

Thanks again!

Alright here we go, ben_danger  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4

ben_danger said:

wow thats really cool vaderios. looks like it should be in one of those old star wars films or something....;)

 BD, you have a PM...

vaderios said:

RoccondilRinon said:

 I took was that it was an actual airlock thing (so not necessary in the atmosphere)

Its a polluted atmosphere lol

Ben hur?

 

-Angel

 

 This is the best color correction i've ever seen for this particular scene :D

OK, sorry to derail but I have to say...

-Sam Jackson tried to be his badass self...which Jedi are NOT suppose to be!

-Sam makes some bizzare faces in all 3 movies...especially AOTC.

-His character had nothing to do except flip flop about Anakin: "He is too old...you're apprentice is the only one who can bring the force back into balance...I don't trust him." What the hell?

Thanks for letting me vent! ;)

ben_danger said:

i can get it done for then if you want. want to send me a PM when its done? maybe afterwards a hybrid can be created from the best bits

i must admit some of the ideas mentioned do seem to detract from the usual star wars formula, i would love to have a stab at a reborn style project like that though. star wars but not star wars. hmmmmm

maybe the opening scene with anakin can be editted or even cut completely. what if the film was lead from padme? i always thought it would be interesting to see padme leading the PT over anakin, so the relationship with vader would switch from mother to son in the OT.

Yeah, sounds good...I'll PM you when I'm ready.

That's kind of what I was doing with my AOTC Fan-O-Matic...Padme is the lead character...but then it shifts over to Obi and Anakin. 

ben_danger said:

not written, more of a daydream at best.

AOTC outline should revolve around a certain tone, hopefully it should end on with a the same feeling we get in the early coruscant scenes in ROTS, ie moody and suspicious. i have been wondering about starting points for it, and what kind of pace and realism it should have too. alot of the subjects should be shifted around a bit perhaps

 

more pulpy, hard chissled men and their hysterical female companions....maybe not that sexist, but a bit more gunga din perhaps.

no mention of sith (they still exist, but this film should be darkside free)

romance should be less, well, unlikely. padme should perhaps be in love with anakin before he is with her, explaining why he is so wooden all the time. hopefully it will make the romance slowly grow throughout AOTC and ROTS, so it doesnt seem to be over as soon as it started.

alternative scoring and recolouring

added retro elements such as control panels, and as many people keep mentioning, less landing sequences!:P

more assassinations at the beginning culminating in the senate attack

new title, preferably something without 'of the' in the middle of it.

 

i love that scene with anakin on tatooine by SSWR using the alternative binary sunset score. perhaps 'silent scenes' to music like that could add more weight to them.

the film could loud and punchy until the execution scene, where the music stops for the first time, hopefully grabbing the viewers attention in a different manner, as if the only real moment in the film is that one.

 

 I'm liking you're day dreams! ;)

...but I'm wondering: are you still thinking about it have that Star Wars "feel" to it? Becuase with all the editing it could feel like a different movie...but I'm voting for making it still feel like a star wars movie.

You're idea of padme falling for anakin first makes alot of sense (I love the way you edited that scene of them eating on the ship) as far as anakins performance goes...I'm just wondering out loud how would you really introduce anakins character at the beginning of the film? because anakins intro is him talking about padme...hmm

will you be posting your droid factory scene soon? I think I'll be ready by wednesday or thursday...

ben_danger said:

SSWR, mine isnt as advanced at the moment, one thing im trying to do though is trim as much of the CG, as it is so obvious in this scene. are you doing colour correction? i think we should start thinking of making an outline for an AOTC edit, though i like the idea of us simultaneously working on the same edit to see what the differences are! want to set a time to release them in unison so we dont steal ideas?;)

I do like cutting the obvious CG...the geonosiens (however you spell their race name) are probably THE WORST LOOKING CG characters in the whole PT...worse than Dex!...well maybe... ;)   Sadly, I don't have a way to make them look better.

I've cut 3PO and R2 out of my edit (lot's of edits do this) and I tried to tie Anakin and Padme's cliffhangers together. I'm attempting to find "new" john williams music for this scene...right now I'm using ANH. It seems to work pretty well and give it that "feeling" of the OT. Oh! And they now enter the factory a little differently :D

Color correction? no...I don't have an eye for that stuff....I can tell you what looks *bad* but I can't tell you why...so I don't think I know enough ;)

Darn! I was hoping to see yours first so I could steal ideas! ;)

It would be cool to set a certain time....not sure if I can meet a deadline...although I hope to have it finished really soon...next few days...

Yeah, what are you're thoughts on the AOTC outline? Do you have one written out? or in your head? There are so many things to think about...not only for this movie...but plots and characters that get setup for a ROTS edit.

ben_danger said:

got alot of cursework on, but im intermittently working on the droid factory scene from AOTC. trying to give it a similar feel to the canyon in ANH, with some heavy editting. its a bit cut and past though.

how about you SSWR? i get the feeling AOTC edits are definitely flavor of the month!:)

 this is just weird, BD...I have an almost completed version of the droid factory. I've gone in and stripped out most of the sound fx and started replacing them...that's the part that takes the longest...but it's coming along...I'll have to finish it up to show you.

can't wait to see yours! :D

ben_danger said:

if i was ever to make a full saga wide edit, i would make it 5 films, starting with a heavily editted AOTC, a heavily editted sith, then a tweaked OT. just thought id let people know.:P

 

i think the reborn project was the only ever way to make the secrets work well, alternatively watching the movies I, IV, II, V, III, VI also works well.

 I hope it IS possible to make a saga that DOES save the secrets for the OT. I think that is adywans plan (at least for now) so I personally am trying to think along those lines...that's what my small edits are attempting to do. :D

Hey ben_danger, you got any new videos you're working on?

Bingowings said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

IG-88 and 4-LOM would beg to differ with you on that one SSWR ;-)

 

 Wait...what?

Lucas pulled the old 'let's just talk about it and not show it' gag. The battle droids have been apart of all three movies...why shouldn't they be shown shutting down? It's kind of momentous occasion right?

I was writing in response to your comment -

That dialouge from Palps explains why there are no battle droids in the OT but it goes by so quickly...I think it's important to show.

It doesn't chime with the evidence:

 

Aahhhhh....now I see. :D

I *do* really like this...much better. It's funny because I never really had a problem with the city so much as I did the fake CGI sea and clouds.

Bingowings said:

IG-88 and 4-LOM would beg to differ with you on that one SSWR ;-)

 Wait...what?

Lucas pulled the old 'let's just talk about it and not show it' gag. The battle droids have been apart of all three movies...why shouldn't they be shown shutting down? It's kind of momentous occasion right?

Somthing I'd like to see in ROTS:

-"...all droid units must shut down immediatly."

-Just use that shot from TPM and show us! That dialouge from Palps explains why there are no battle droids in the OT but it goes by so quickly...I think it's important to show.

ben_danger said:

that sounds much better, perhaps a throw away line could be made from yoda, though im not sure if it is necessary, just like 'this place is hidden from the force' or something as such to explain why they are there. the claustrophobic atmosphere of the planet should be enough to show that they are hiding. i can't stop thinking about mattes of having headlights illuminating the scarily dark planet.

i definitely agree on having yoda not mention the exile buisness. having obi wan, bail (and padme, corpse or uncorpse) going their seperate ways, will hopefully force a 'loose end' that will get tied up in ESB. it makes yodas insane chatter seem so much more dark now, thinking he has just been losing it in lonliness for 20 years!

how hard would it be i wonder to remove padme from the table? it would be cool to have her give birth outside, though a logical reason would be hard to grasp. i really like the idea of 'it is too dangerous to deliver the babies in space' dialogue.

 

cant wait to see the next installment of SSWR. for the record i still cant stop thinking of the bugs life clip, my girlfriend keeps on chanting it whenever it appears in the films!:P

'this place is hidden from the force' line could really work...I just don't know how anyone could create that line from exsisting yoda dialouge...maybe someone could redub that one line...anyone good at a yoda voice? ;)

Removing Padme from the table seems a bit impossible...yes you could rotoscope her but getting the lighting to match with dagobah and make it look seamless seems impossible... :(

Thanks for the compliment on the bugslife clip!

guitarfan01 said:

I vote against the "it is too dangerous to have the babies in space" line: it's ridiculous (a society so advanced but they can't afford to have a baby in space? come on), it's exposition instead of just doing it, and it would obviously be there just to make sure they land on Dagobah just to tie it in with the OT.  Like too many things in the PT already.  I love the landing/meeting on Dagobah idea, and really really like the way SSWR mentioned it, with Dagobah kind of existing as a "Force-cloaked" hideaway for them after Order 66 and everything goes to crap.

Thank you for that insightful comment guitarfan01.  Yes, I believe you're right...it's spelling it out for the audience...

vaderios said:

Some simple color correction. I took the palette from ESB when luke is in the hospital frigate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB7_YoKKT-M

-Angel

I love this look! And now it can pass for the tantive!

vaderios said:

BarBar Jinkx said:

To be honest it always bothered me that there was so many men stood outside a glass wall watching her give birth.

Have they no decency, give the poor girl some privacy for Jebus' sake!

so much for a more civilized age!! LOL

Its possible to blur the windows.

-Angel

 

Yes! This could come in handy...especially if we're not going to show Liea being born...

Ok, so, Davnes, I'm not trying to step on you're toes...but I firgued I should post what I was working on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uk8pB0nnu0

Oh...I should mention I really like what you made, Davnes...I hadn't even thought about Yoda being *outside* the ship...thanks for the idea! :D

BarBar Jinkx said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

ben_danger said:

i would agree on having them meet on dagoba, far more simple, plus i can imagine a really nice matte of the blockade runner and naboo ship facing each other, its almost like a 'passing the torch shot'.

 

the tantive IV is far more interesting visally than the naboo craft in my eyes, so i would prefer to see it entering the clouds, but it may make more sense to be following the naboo craft and have the tantive IV there waiting.

 

something to add to the PT:R request list would be have the tantive IV changed to match the OT colours, but its not vital.

 

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?

 

right!;)

 

I thought I should let you all know that I've started a very rough edit of these few scenes. The question I have is: If the tantive does indeed have this medical station onboard WHY do they need to land on dagobah? Earlier in the film Obiwan meets up with Bail and Yoda somewhere in space...why not just do that again? One solution I've come up with is that the droid tells them something like: "We need to land somewhere nearby to make a safe delivery." I don't know...what do you guys think?

 

 

I never liked how Yoda gave up so quickly fighting Palpatine 

move the "Into exile I must go!" line to later on and this might help as a transition from them being in space to being on Dagobah 

 

(crap 18.00) I wont be able to say any more till tomorrow (damn iPhone not letting me post on here)

 

let me know what you think SSWR

 

 It's funny because the other day I was playing with the Yoda escape scene and I cut the Yoda line completely. This, again, is another lets-spell-it-out-for-the-audience piece of dialouge. We *know* he failed. And why tell us he must go into exile when it would be much more interesting for us as the audience to wonder where he is up until ESB.

So are you suggesting that when Obiwan meets up with Yoda and Bail the *first* time in ROTS that it *not* be somewhere in space but actually be on dagobah? Because THAT could work...

So it could be like:

Obi: my clones turned on me...

Bail: we're sending you our coordinates...

-wipe to dagobah with Obiwan landing and continue with scene on board the tantive

-continue movie as is until we leave mustafar

-no asteroid planet thingy. instead yoda and bail are back at dagobah hiding and waiting for obiwan

Bail: we'll take her to the medical station...

-medical station is now on board the tantive...which is on dagobah

Hmm?

ben_danger said:

i would agree on having them meet on dagoba, far more simple, plus i can imagine a really nice matte of the blockade runner and naboo ship facing each other, its almost like a 'passing the torch shot'.

 

the tantive IV is far more interesting visally than the naboo craft in my eyes, so i would prefer to see it entering the clouds, but it may make more sense to be following the naboo craft and have the tantive IV there waiting.

 

something to add to the PT:R request list would be have the tantive IV changed to match the OT colours, but its not vital.

 

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?

 

right!;)

I thought I should let you all know that I've started a very rough edit of these few scenes. The question I have is: If the tantive does indeed have this medical station onboard WHY do they need to land on dagobah? Earlier in the film Obiwan meets up with Bail and Yoda somewhere in space...why not just do that again? One solution I've come up with is that the droid tells them something like: "We need to land somewhere nearby to make a safe delivery." I don't know...what do you guys think?

SilverKey said:

Great work Bingowings!

I agree with JediMasterFisher, this would be a great change to the prequels. I remember there being a lot of speculation around the time of Episodes 2 and 3 where Luke and Leia would be born. With Dagobah seeming so familiar to Luke, I too always asumed they were born on Dagobah.

Your mockup looks so good, it might actually be done. I never liked how random Polis Massa was anyway. One problem though, how are we going to get Obi-Wan, Padme and the droids from Padme's ship (which they use to leave Mustafar) to the Tantive 4?

Crap. You're right, SilverKey.

-Maybe you could start in the asteroid field...or maybe just space...OR on Dagobah:

-"Obiwan has made contact"

-new shot of the two ships coming together and then wipe to the next scene.

-OR new shot of Padme's ship meeting the Tantive ON dagobah?

Anyone else got ideas?

JediMasterFisher said:

Monroville said:

Bingowings said:

Here are a couple of mockups showing Bail Organa's ship landing on Dagobah.

This would serve two purposes, now Yoda doesn't have to hide his escape pod in the swamp (he just walks down the ramp) and it explains why Luke finds the place so familiar (he was born there and not on some fancy asteroid base in the middle of nowhere):

Really cool!  But if you can (if you or someone manages to make the scene) please do it similar to the Falcon approach to Yavin 4 (as in: we see it head to Dagobah, it flies over the shroud of fog and the following shot is it already landed above.  Please, no more PT landing shots... <:( )

 

ok this NEEDS to happen.

Before Episode III came out I was really looking forward to seeing them land on Dagabah and even see luke and leia born there. The line Luke said when he was there about "something fimilar about this place" I always though ment he was born there. when I found out he and leia were born on as asteroid I was very mad at this. Please someone MAKE THIS CHANGE!!!!!!!!

 

Yes Bingowings! This is genious! Why has noone thought of this before?

So are we saying here that Padme gives birth here? If so, then where is this medical station? We could just say it's on the ship...? If so, why bother landing? Hmmm...this HAS to work! :D

Oh! ben_danger, I think the close up of the button pushing is a great start to making these movies FEEL like the OT. Yes, of course, it's Luke's hand, but I think you're suggesting we FILM hands pushing buttons and whatnot...right?

And I agree with everyone else that there's too much ship landing in the PT. Only when needed for story or establishing shots.

Bingowings said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

Further to my comment earlier I've amended the haunted hut scenerio a bit.

When Luke lands Threepio (who has been left with the Falcon) says something along the lines of "Master Luke, I tried to stop them...."

To which he says something like "Oh no...Leia!". (I'm sure something along those lines can be sampled from other sources).

The Hut scene plays out in the evening as he has been planning his rescue plan for the rescue plan that's already gone wrong and Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience....

 

 This looks more promising!

But what do you mean: "Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience...." What dialouge?

He explains that Leia is his sister and Vader's daughter.

Anakin put his fear of losing Padme before his head and falls, Luke put his fear of losing his friends at Cloud City and almost falls, Leia is putting her fear of losing Han before everything and get's captured.

The family tree has more than strength in the Force running through it (something that is played up again when Vader uses it as a trigger to almost turn Luke).

 

Oh I understand...I thought you were referring to some other dialouge that might actually use the words "Liea's lack of patience". Nevermind! :D

ben_danger said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knAtC8lxQJg

 

it has some clips in, but really bad quality. interesting material though!

 OK, something has just dawned on me while watching this again.

I *think* THIS was the original ending for AOTC. Yes, they would've chased Dooku and battled him but that would've been it! And you'll notice that no CLONES are in this video.

Here's a lovely quote regarding the first clone war battle:  "...we bypassed storyboards altogether and went straight into animatics." - Rick McCallum

Why no storyboards? Because Lucas decided to change the ending of the movie last mintue! It would have been a rehash of TPM ending so he changed it.

So *IF* I'm right (had Lucas contiuned with his original plan) Yoda never would've showed up with the clones at all! Interesting...

I *think* there's another quote of McCallum talking about Geogre coming in one day and saying something like "what if Yoda showed up last minute?" I don't know for sure...I'll try and find it....maybe on the commentary...

Bingowings said:

Further to my comment earlier I've amended the haunted hut scenerio a bit.

When Luke lands Threepio (who has been left with the Falcon) says something along the lines of "Master Luke, I tried to stop them...."

To which he says something like "Oh no...Leia!". (I'm sure something along those lines can be sampled from other sources).

The Hut scene plays out in the evening as he has been planning his rescue plan for the rescue plan that's already gone wrong and Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience....

 This looks more promising!

But what do you mean: "Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience...." What dialouge?

ben_danger said:

got carried away.

 

had a tinker with obiwan/jango fight in geonosis.

 

though one thought is to maybe have this scene as he is approaching kamino, as if they are protecting the secret from him.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VASUJhw-qOc&feature=channel_page

 I'm digging your style ben_danger...I think we're on similar wave lengths :)

Ya know what might help this fight? IF Jango were to be redubbed you could add him saying a thing or two to Obi over the intercom thingy (like in ROTJ)...

Man, I still hate alot of those CGI shots in this film...the camera and the ships are zooming around all over the place...there's no real weight to them...IMHO  :D

BarBar Jinkx said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

-Tried making Anakin a likable guy.

-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.

-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.

-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...

Just had a thought, now that the scene of yoda looking at Palps with the "what you up to?" look

put it later on when they are discussing the emergency powers amendment in his office

 I actually made a version of that some time ago. If that shot of Yoda gets used...I think that would be a good place...

ben_danger said:

meh, were both british. just seen it though, its really great! i could imagine the explosion being huge, but only if we had perhaps seen a montage of similar terrorist attacks. maybe padme's could included, but we assume that she is blown up in the ship.

 

the dooku hologram is pretty cool! in regards to alternative dialogue for the RoTS possible dooku/sidious opening, perhaps something from the clone wars could be used.

 

another thought too, in regards to dookus name, how many time is 'dooku' actually mentioned throughout he whole film? if its not many, then perhaps changing wouldnt be too hard?

 Glad you liked it!

A montage might be possible...or maybe that could be described in the opening crawl? It would obviously be better if shown though....speaking of the opening crawl...what do you think it should say as far as the seperatists are concerned?

Yeah, I guess I should get around to seeing the clone wars movie  :P