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Sluggo said:

zombie84 said:

There were a few prints of TPM that got out showing Maul falling in one piece. They were recalled after the first week or so. This was done as a PG-safe alternate.

 

 

 Ha! I've always heard about this but never saw a screen cap or video! Thanks! :D

I commented on 'Goodbye Ani...Hello Vader', davnes. I loved this video!

This is helping me get a grasp of a new timeline of events...which definantly needs to come together.

I know the Jar Jar thing was a joke (maybe not...?) but let me ask you a question: Do you think having Ani/Vader (either or) kill the children should be used? I personally am leaning against it...I know it's suppose to show how far Ani/Vader has gone and really strengthen the ending of ROTJ...but I don't think it needs to be there.

As we can hopefully pull off, Vader will be killing Jedi (maybe even seperatists...?) and is linked to the Sith so we, as the audience, know that he's bad. So killing children seems to be overkill and I know alot of people believe that that is not redeemable. Thoughts?

Also, if it's OK, might I have a go at my own version...?

Again, thanks for the credit!

ben_danger said:

Johnny Ringo said:

EyeShotFirst said:

When Anikan is burning in the fires of Mustafar

I really don't think this should be shown, or even needs to be shown. And if  keeping Vader's true identity a secret is the goal then keeping this simply makes the task harder.

I'd prefer an uncertain end to the duel - for obiwan and for the audience. If Anakin were to simply vanish over the lava fall with the collector arm it would mean we wouldn't have to suffer through the terrible dialogue of the rest of the fight and the truly horrifying scene of Obiwan standing there watching him burn. Cue sad music and move on.

And switching things around so the Jedi Temple raids [with a suited VADER] happen AFTER the big Mustafar duel might be a lot more interesting.

Oh, and regarding Palpatine on Mustafar - could it be implied that this is merely Darth Sidious - Presented thus far as a seperate entity to the good chancellor?

what if we could play on owens line 'he died about the same time as your father'

 

perhaps we never see either of them return from the fight. ben's reveal in ANH could allow the audience to begin questioning all the information that luke is told. perhaps even cutting his birth could allow us to question his relation to anakin until obi wan explains.

 

when do  we first hear the name 'skywalker', sounds silly, but how long could a really ignorant audience go on thinking he is luke *smith* until he announces he is infact a skywalker.

 

 Hmmm...I really like that idea...I don't know how doable it is simply because of all the other scenes that happen after the fight contain Obi-wan...BUT we ARE talking about radical edits here...  :D

Major resturcting would have to take place in the over all timeline...when is the Jedi temple raided? when does the mustafar duel take place? when do we see Vader? when are the baby/babies born?

EyeShotFirst said:

I would love to have the emperor be in his throne room on coruscant sometime in the film. Maybe to keep him turned around looking at coruscant and have vader looking upon him. Then he arrives on the death star. It would be neat to just see another environment in the film instead of sand,trees,and stars.

 I agree it would be great to see...I've thinking and thinking about how this could work...it would be great if one of the Vader/Emperor conversations could be used in this new location...

brash_stryker said:

Wait......does Obi Wan even say the name Anakin in ANH? I just skipped through the hut scene and didn't notice it mentioned.

I think I may be onto something :)

All that would need doing to the prequels that way is remove the name skywalker and remove the twins being named and delivered to Alderaan and Tatooine.

This could work!

 Obi-wan never says the name Anakin until ROTJ. So I think you ARE onto something :)

brash_stryker said:

As someone has already mentioned, the only way this could be fixed is by doing a radical edit of ANH (which I'm against as this would mean making the OT fit with the PT) or somehow giving Obi Wan another apprentice in the prequels - impossible.

Going back to my radical idea before (which was pretty much shot down by most people) the way to fix both in one fell swoop would be to not have Anakin appear in the prequels at all. Hayden is named something else. Let's just call him Puke Whinetalker. That way, in ANH, we think he is referring to Hayden's character when he says "a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" but then it turns out it's not that guy at all, and he was just saying it to spare Luke's feelings.

If Obi Wan never referred to Luke's father as "Anakin" in the hut scene in ANH, things would be a lot simpler. All that would need to be done is omit the name Skywalker from the prequels entirely. That way, we still have a hunch that Vader is Hayden, but no idea that he is Luke's father.

Hmmm....

Adywan, I know you're busy, but would you care to weigh in on this? I would love to hear your take on this Anakin/Vader thing. Please?

RoccondilRinon said:

I've already explained, not very many pages back, how this can't work without performing a similarly radical edit on ANH.

I'm sorry but I'm not totally convinced of that yet.

If an edit *can* seperate the Anakin character from the Vader character (which, by the way, will be no small feat) then when you come to ANH and Obi says "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the emperor hunt down and destroyed the Jedi knights...he betrayed and murdered your father." it simply sounds like Obi-wan is lying to Luke about his father. Luke doesn't know anything about the force, Jedi, Sith or Darth Vader so Obi-wan can get away with this "lie". And then once we get to ESB and ROTJ we learned that Obi-wan was telling Luke this from a certain point of view to protect Luke and to help him learn and grow up as well. At least that's how I see it.

The only thing that bothers me is why would Obi-wan say that Darth Vader was once a pupil of his? Unless....this could be addressed in the PT...? :D

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

Oh yes!

Let us know Big Shot! :)

-Angel

 

Ha! :D

Well, it'll still be a while til I get to that...I'm still working on the arena scene from AOTC...

SilverKey said:

How about we minimize seeing Palpatine with his lightsaber, but shifting the focus of that scene to Anakin? The scenes in Palpatine's office are a big turning point in his life, so why not stretch it out a little, and center it around him?

I'm just brainstorming aloud here, most of it probably wouldn't even be doable:

• Anakin mulls over Palpatine's words in the council chamber.
• Windu arrive at Palpatine's office. They exchange their dialogue. Palpatine activates his lightsaber. The music builds.
• Then cut to Anakin taking off from the Jedi Temple platform.
• Cut back to Palpatine's ante chamber. The bodies of Kolar, Fisto and Tiin are on the ground. In the distance we hear the sounds of the fight going on between Palpatine and Windu. Maybe we could add some screams, stuff breaking and other sound effects, to give the impression that there is really something big and epic is going on in that room.
• Cut back to Anakin arriving at the Senate building. It would be nice if in this scene, and in the other scenes with Anakin, we can cut in some close ups of him, to show that this scene is really about him.
• When Anakin arrives at the office, he hears the sounds of the battle going on (making him pause and adding in another close up might add to tension here, even Anakin is wondering what the hell is going on in there.
• Anakin enters the office, and we finally see the final stages of the fight. Maybe we can even add the suggestion here that Anakin never saw Palpatine with his saber at all, which could prove Palpatine's prediction that the Jedi are planning to betray him to Anakin.
• The rest of the scene plays as it normally does, and it would be great if we can add in Davnes' awesome idea of having Anakin and Mace's sabers clash in front of Palpatine's face.
• The music underneath this scene could be just the Emperor's Theme, adding to the mystery of the scene.

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

ben, I will respond to these radical (and very good) ideas soon...gotta work right now! :D

ben_danger said:

hey SSWR, commented a bit more on youtube, but awesome clip and ideas!

 

im wondering if it would be possible to push the snape/windu thing further so we may even believe HE is the dark lord? like the snape/quirrel thing in Harry Potter I perhaps?

 Woah!...hmm...could work...I'll have to give that some thought...

I also replied to your reply...

I'm not sure I dare post this VERY incomplete video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUu5GgEepU&feature=channel_page

As you can see, *lots* still need to be done to this video...but I've put it aside for now...I needed to free up some space on my hard drive...

Basic changes/ideas:

-Make Anakin a guy we can like and get behind

-Make Windu the only Jedi untrusting of Anakin

-*trying* to make dialouge slightly more natural

I know there is ALOT that I cut...for example: the Padme packing scene. I could not make that scene work at all! But I was able to use some of Anakins dialouge from that scene in the Palps office scene.

JasonN said:

So yeah, I'm still working on this one - I'll try to finish it, but it's getting a bit hard, because I'm kinda losing my interest: basically, for as much as I try to edit and cut Return of the Jedi, I still just really don't care for the story or characters very much (which makes things difficult when you're trying to re-edit the film).

I guess for myself, I've always felt that the "Star Wars" story ends best with the final shots of The Empire Strikes Back, with Luke, Leia, the droids, and Rebel Alliance drifting out into the stars.

 

You know, I'm always suprise that for as much criticism, anger, and utter hate that TPM recieved from audiences, those same people will give RotJ a free pass just because it's part of the "Original Trilogy" even though it's as equally flawed as TPM. (actually, I think it has even more flaws.... I mean, I am extremely satisfied with and do enjoy watching my Attack of the Federation edit, but I'm having a rather hard time trying to watch Last of the Jedi and care much for it)

 I think this is also why I haven't been on top of editing and showing more of my fan-o-matic clips...specifically when I got to the ewok village...I've cut and rearranged quite a bit of it but it's just not...star wars-y...ya know? I mean, I like ROTJ for what it is...but it lacks ALOT.

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 I'm still not ruling out that Adywan might restructure ROTJ:R...he simply stated that there won't be 'story changes'. Restructuring scenes doesn't have to mean changes to the story. In ANH:R Adywan restructured the Obi wans Hut scene...that didn't change the story.    ...I'm just saying...   :D

Where have you been? We need you Right now!

I want to see your videos/mockups in action!

Make it happened :)

 

-Angel

 

 Hey I just gave you Human Cyborg Relations!  ;)

You mean something from ROTJ? Yeah, I gotta get on that!

adywan said:

Ok i have to put an end to this. I though all this would have died out ages ago.

Your so gullible. lol. Killing Lando was never going to be part of my edit, but was being considered as a special feature only. Only the PT will be getting ripped apart. There will be some changes in jedi but none will be drastic in a way that will change the story. Yes there will be a new ending but that's being kept a secret. The Lando thing came about because so many people kept asking about the ending so i made one up.

Don't hate me :)

 I'm still not ruling out that Adywan might restructure ROTJ:R...he simply stated that there won't be 'story changes'. Restructuring scenes doesn't have to mean changes to the story. In ANH:R Adywan restructured the Obi wans Hut scene...that didn't change the story.    ...I'm just saying...   :D

skyjedi2005 said:

Are yoiu by any chance using the deleted scene in the arena in attack of the clones not on the dvd?

Very low quality.  No foley work, almost like an animatic.  Sam Jacksons on set dialogue trying to sound exerted by the combat and such was a bit much imho.  But they probably would have done adr if they used the scene.

I'm surprised there are not more home brew attempts at using the deleted scenes and finishing the audio, music and making added cgi.

 Well, that deleted arena scene from hyperspace/starwars.com is (i'm pretty sure) not usable. There was never a high quality version released...?

ben_danger said:

i think ive mentioned this before, but id love to see someone construct a musicless TPM lightsaber battle, like in ESB, where the music is created by the hum of the sabers. perhaps some score could bleed through eventually, but nothing with vocals (duel of the fates was awesome, but the vocals wernt star warsy for me)

 This would be VERY interesting! I'm working on various things...but if noone gets to it soon I might try attempting a rough version sometime...

BTW, ben, I'm still slowly working on the arena battle in AOTC...you?

Thanks! :D

A serious look at the parrallels between C-3PO and Anakin/Vader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTD2fyybTUg&feature=channel_page

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 Looks like a job for Angel! :D

Also I think that by the end of this scene the sun should be coming up in the background...or simply getting brighter...

Im here! Where is the problem Citizen?

When is the sun shot you referring?

I have to go  now! The people of earth needs me!

 

-Superangel

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL

Look at the scene where Luke turns himself over to Vader on that brigde thingy. You can't see much out the window except for a couple of tree and the ATATs head which seems to be turned at an odd angle...

Also I was just thinking it would look cool if by the end of this scene the sun was coming up in the background since the next scene the sun has *just* come up...

Monroville said:

Um, shouldn't that AT-AT head be pointing AWAY from us, being that Luke is coming out of the AT-AT's body?  For some reason, it makes me think the AT-AT is alive and its straining its head so it can see what's going on behind it...

 Looks like a job for Angel! :D

Also I think that by the end of this scene the sun should be coming up in the background...or simply getting brighter...

vaderios said:

I just found some interesting artwork from Ryan Church ( Concept artist for Eps 2 and 3)

I ve noticed something interesting. His first concepts of some spots or locations had that Star wars feeling. Not very busy minimalistic and with a retro palette.

Its good start to brainstorm, how similar or unused designs, can bring PT to OT feel. When the planets have that unknown mood and locations were simple, memorable and powerful!

Some examples that cause my attetion.

 

Utapau's landed battleship. ( note the sun, the pale colors and the shadows and no fancy lights)

The 10th level of utapau (note the minimalism the pale colors the retro background details and the mood)

The bridge of Invisible hand( Same design with the above different approach. Note duo tone, sub lighted no much controls and panels.)

Mustafar Separatists room( note the one color theme, the claustrophobic feeling without the window/revealing all way, scale)

Big Credit to Ryan Church and his Superb work!

 

-Angel

 

This is great stuff...this DOES have the OT feeling (not as much in the last pic)...

Angel, you should tackle some pics from the PT and see if you can simpilfy some of the crazy backgrounds, etc...just like the above pics!

Bingowings said:

It might be possible to digitally remove the offending elements (either puppet or CGI) Angel has managed it on some mockups and I manage to do it on a few too (it's no easy task).

If that fails building models and set segments are possibly the only other way.

Clearing the slate is one thing but then you have to decide on what to replace the elements with, my preference is more dancers like Oola and possibly a few more courtiers.

 It will definantly be interesting to see what Adywan does with this scene. I can't imagine that he likes it the way it is.

Yes, you might be able to remove some objects from the film...but what do you add and how?

It's been a while but I think the original Sy Snoodles with new facial/body movments could work better than the CGI Sy that we have now.

I *think* I like the idea of the burlesque show thing...it definantly depends on how it's handled...

Docta Nick said:

vaderios said:

Bingowings said:

At last Geonosis looks less like Tatooine it's more like a dust planet than a sandy desert world.

Almost like it's a giant ball of pumice or like our moon but with an atmosphere.

I always imagined Clone wars as a dark age. So the battle can be more dark and metaphor like.

Shadows always behind the bad guys, light behind good guys.

 

-Angel

 

 I always thought that shot had such potential to be a iconic sort of shot, well of course Angel knows just how that can be done, especially to this whole movie lol. GJ

 I love this shot...my favorite shot from Geonosis yet, Angel!

On the subject of CGI:

There are many problems with todays CGI...I could sit down with a movie and talk at length about what's wrong...sometimes it's the animation, sometimes the actual render, sometimes the lighting, sometimes the composite, sometimes the camera movement-...I look at this shot Angel did and even though I like it...when it's in motion...it sometimes losses something. Todays CGI camera moves are sometimes ridiculous! They have the camera zooming around...panning around 360 degrees...moving in ways cameras CAN'T move and they expect us to believe they filmed it? Acutally, that's not the case anymore...they DON'T expect us to believe they filmed it...they just want us to suspend our disbelieve long enough to buy the shot...well, I can say I'm a little tired of it! OK, I'm done...for now...  ;)

tehwallaby said:

Not as of yet, I'm going to be doing all of the PT, trying to make them feel more OT, and more Star Wars. I need to find a good base, maybe even one with some colour correction and/or minor edits.

 Again, sadly, I don't know much about these things...however you might want to look at some edit ideas from my youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/SSWR1