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Loving these Angel! I've been waiting for more PT space shots to be redone by you! ;)

tehwallaby said:

Great DuTwan, I'll be glad to see how this turns out.

 

Furthermore, I've been thinking about Boba and Jango, and have considered making them comrades, and having both appear in my AOTC edit. Mace Windu will still behead Jango, but Boba will be incapacitated until after the Battle of Geonosis, at which point he will align himself with Tyranus, and in turn Palpatine. Then, he will be present in the Great Jedi Purge, and he will be the one to kill Mace Windu, with the Palpatine and Anakin scene taking place with Aayla Secura instead.

I also plan to change ROTS radically. I want to make all the scenes that follow pre-Vader Anakin occur before the last half an hour, after the Battle of Heroes we will see scenes with Vader executing Jedi, and eventually destroying the Jedi Temple. All this will take place without so much as a word about Anakin actually being Vader.

 Wow this sounds sweet! I've been think about ROTS along the same lines...

but the Windu/Fett fight in ROTS? I had never thought of that...could work really well...

What software will you be using for editing and effects?

Ripplin said:

I've never seen the New Groove movie (or have I?) so I didn't really "get" it, but it was funny nonetheless. :)

 You've gotta see the movie...one of the funniest Disney movies ever!

Thanks for the feedback guys!

...I don't normally do this but you guys get 2 videos in 1 day! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukUC_z6l74o

I've been thinking more and more about Anakins turn to the darkside and well...I think it should be more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxAi4qC8HI0

mrbenja0618 said:

Knightmessenger said:

Well, I recently came across this and thought it was an interesting edit. I wonder if Trooperman's is similar because this looks a lot better than I remember the original scene from AotC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4

Could somebody explain what was changed (besides the music)?

 

Yeah, this was pretty impressive... SSWR, if you're reading this; how did you swap out the music tracks successfully while maintaining voice, and sound effects?

 

He cut 3p0 and R2 out.... HUGE difference.

 Thanks! I like it too  ;)

As far as the vocals go...I think everything I used in that scene didn't actually *have* music underneath. Or if any of it did it wasn't very prominant so it just blended into the music I added.

Bingowings said:

If an edit of this kind were to be attempted there would be a lot of Qui-Gon dialogue removed which might be remixable to create the necessary (and only the necessary) exposition.

Oh to have a portable Liam Neeson at hand.

Lines like "I have encountered a vergence in the Force" could be (though I'm not underplaying how difficult the process might be or how awful the final results might sound) altered to say something like "There is something else behind all this, I sense a vergence in the Force"  when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan receive their assignment to protect the Queen.

That way they would be preemptively expecting to encounter this Chosen One on their mission before we find out that he is just a slave boy on a planet they didn't expect to be marooned on. It would actually make something of the somewhat bolted on Chosen One story thread.

A bit like in ESB where the great Jedi Master turns out to be a strange little green guy with big ears.

The discussion about Sith Lords (if it is necessary at all) could be moved to when they have the ship up and running and take place via holograph (like Obi-wan's warning about Geonosis in AOTC).

George created this universe with holographic telephony and precognition but in TPM he felt the need to shift characters across the galaxy to deliver plot points to each other in person. Even in Shakespeare some messages are delivered via messengers rather than having all the characters on stage at once. In most tellings of King Arthur and as far as I know every telling of story of Jesus Christ we know about the Chosen One before we meet him in the story but in TPM we have to find out about all this after we meet Anakin which is one of the reasons it just feels shoved in.

It would need someone or some people to go through the script and see what lines need to be shifted and if they can be re-mixed in a credible way.

The real drawback being that, despite bold claims there is, as yet no scoreless sound mix so John Williams lovely music (not to mention all the various sound effects) may be a real bugger to filter out (if it is indeed possible at all).

Even then joining one piece of dialogue to another and finding a way around lip-sync miss matches is another real task but if it was easy I have no doubt someone would have done this sort of thing already.

As always all suggestions along these lines are welcome.

Gotcha...sounding good...I thought perhaps you had more specifics on dialouge...but yeah it's once you start planing out certain scenes that you'll realize if it works or not. I believe you said you're planning on getting some editing software...? If you *do* plan on trying this edit I'd certainly try and help with trying to find the right dialouge...  :D

Bingowings said:

SilverKey said:

Nice mockup Bingowings. What is the story behind it? Is this part of your suggestion of making the movie start with Amidala already on Coruscant and making the movie about her return to Naboo to help her people? Now that's a radical idea!

I tried to do a mockup myself of the scene I mentioned earlier. I tried to put Mace and Obi-Wan in the Jedi Temple hangar from the AOTC deleted scene into a background of the hangar we see in ROTS. I wanted to salvage the scene, because I like it better than the one replacing in the final movie. It didn't work though. The angles are all off, and it's almost impossible to get a clean plate of the background.

Basically yeah, here's a previously cobbled together selection of ideas on the same theme but I have posted a few more since.

I'm getting to grips with some new soft and hardware at the moment but I hope to start doing some video mockups of the idea soonish but if anyone likes any of these ideas feel free to run with them and suggest ways of adjusting or realising them.

Bingowings said :

 My idea for the beginning would be from the scroll down to a full Naboo hanging in space the Trade Federation ships surround the planet (does anyone have any more back views of the Trade Federation ships btw?).

Then we see an edited version of Sidious (fully concealed as in many edits) telling Nute Gunray he can land his troops and the landing ships and fighters descend.

The Federation invaded centuries before and were seen by the Gungans as gods but the Naboo fought them and ever since there has been tension (no tax disputes).

The Sith have promised to help them regain power over the contested planet where an uneasy truce gives the Naboo and Gungan's joint sovereignty.

Fighting breaks out in Theed (some of the buildings are destroyed).

Then cut to Coruscant and Amidala's meeting with Palpatine (with the message from Sio Bibble edited in) and an altered Jedi Council meeting where Qui-Gon claims to sense the chosen one and he's discovery is linked to the Naboo crisis.

Then the Senate meeting which removes Valorium, then the Queen opts to go back to Naboo to end the crisis.

The Jedi are sent to protect her but they can not call for war against the Federation until the Blockade is confirmed to be unlawful.

Her ship is attacked on route and she has to land on Tatooine.

They meet up with Anakin, gain the parts they need, Anakin joins the Jedi hoping to liberate Tatooine at a later date (giving Anakin a noble intention for leaving his mother behind rather than just seeing the stars).

They break through the blockade and create a hasty alliance with the Gungans. The Gungan's attack the bulk of the droid army, The Jedi attempt to shut down the shields for Trade Federation command ship and encounter battle droids (which should rarely if ever speak and certainly should not be the comic relief goons as seen in the theatrical version...incidently they do sound good in German) and finally the Sith Lord they first encountered on Tatooine, the Naboo fighters clear the path for the Jedi and take on the full Federation fleet (not just one ship making it an more hopless fight) and the Queen and her troops storm the palace.

 I'd keep the Gungans but dub them so that Jar-Jar is now the Gungan ambassador and represents his people just as much as Amidala. He is a bit out of water but not the buffoon we see in the original cut.

 I'm going to play with the idea that instead of there being a single droid control ship the whole blockade is there (the Naboo have more fighters, squadrons added by changing the colours of the fighters to blue, red etc:

but they are still greatly outnumbered because they have no capital ships or droid fighters)

 

I actually like the idea of R2 being blue because he's one of blue group's astrodroids (Naboo seems to be obsessed with aesthetics).

Qui-Gon and Obi Wan have to get onto the fleet command ship to stop signal jamming so they can get a distress signal to the Republic to send for help (and they fight Maul there, also moving the droid battles on the ship from the beginning of the film to the end).

 That way the sabre battle is more associated with space battle and the Gungan battle is more associated with the throne room.

Anakin doesn't destroy the command ship he just destroys a ship single handed and deliberatly (not by accident).

Once Nute Gunray is captured he orders the ships away (to save his skin) and the Droids power down on his command not because one ship is destroyed (which seemed a stupid way to run a war in the first place).

 

 

 Bingo, I meant to comment on this earlier: I'm very interested in this radical edit...but I'm wondering how some of this will be accomplished...?

Specifically paragraphs like this:

"...altered Jedi Council meeting where Qui-Gon claims to sense the chosen one and he's discovery is linked to the Naboo crisis."

Short of redubbing Qui-Gon, how would you accomplish this scene? Thanks! :D

vaderios said:

darthmunky said:

Ady, when Luke jumps off the platform, does he get sucked into that tube or does he purposly land in there? When I was young, I always thought it was just a coinsidence that he landed there. (And it looked so fake) But if it sucked him in, perhaps you should add some sort of vacuum sound effect. and speed it up so it doesnt look so fake when he goes in there.

yes good point.

And some more random camera move because it looks like reversed played footage ;)

-Angel

 

Some reversed smoke/vapors (sped up) also going into the tube would help the shot...

So something just occurred to me:

Unless Adywan can find an FX free Windu line, "In the name of the galactic senate of the rebublic, you're under arrest, Chancellor." then he will *have* to redub Mace Windu-...well, or *cut* the line altogether. Yeah, when Mace says this particular line all three of the other lightsabers light up in the center channel.

brash_stryker said:

I don't care whether he's that bad ass, only that the changes to his character help make Anakin seem more like a victim than a brat.

Him taking on Palpatine alone makes sense, and means we don't see the ridiculous deaths of hardened Jedi because they just stand there doing nothing. Or the fact that 4 Jedi went to subdue him but they never thought to contact the other Jedi to tell them about the impending arrest.

This change also brings to mind the quote "your overconfidence is your weakness".

Oh I agree...I actually hate that he IS a "bad ass"...and what does that really mean anyway?

Yes making Anakin a victim is a must...We need to feel *something* for Anakin in the PT, right?  :P

brash_stryker said:

Excellent work SSWR! Really like what this does to Mace's character. Makes him into an arrogant, untrusting S.O.B, which would explain why he goes to confront Palpatine WITHOUT EVEN TELLING ANY OTHER JEDI!

Yeah this is something I had thought of as well...Windu going into Palps office alone will go well with this type of character...It also makes it kind of tragic because Windu will have been the ONLY one who was right about Anakin! :D

Thanks for all the great feedback guys! Hmm...I wonder if Ady will consider this idea...  ;)

OK here is The New Mace Windu! Sorry about the terrible accent! It's just to get the idea across...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANTW-CEflEU

Just thought I'd pop in and say I'm still alive! ;) We've been moving into a new appartment...

I thought I'd update and say I am working on redubbing Mace in the council scene from ROTS where they won't grant him the rank of master.

The way I have it now (subject to change):

Yoda is stepping down from the council the following year and has been personally training Mace to take over as head master. Mace (unlike Yoda and Obi) has not liked or trusted Anakin from day one (just like Snape in Harry Potter). Becuase Yoda is stepping down he has decided to let Windu have final say in letting Anakin on the council. Of course the line "You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of master." is still there. Anakin says "What?!" Windu's reasoning is because he's too young to handle this kind of responsibilty (although basically everyone knows he just doesn't like him). Anakin says, "I understand" (although we can tell he's upset) and sits down. That's pretty much it right now. That's alot of info but believe it or not, it's all in the edit I'm attempting. I want to finish it and show it to you guys...but I'd like to know if anything sticks out to you that needs fixing....?

brash_stryker said:

Luke: I won't fail you. I'm not afraid.
Yoda: You will be. You will be.

If this was to tie up with the prequel trilogy (along with exaggerated yodaisms) it would go something like this:

Luke: I won't fail you. I'm not afraid.
Yoda: Good this is. On the path to the darkside you are not. No problems have we. Fucked the emperor is.

 Hee hee! :D   Nice!

Good point too. Yoda would know if Luke had fear in him or not. And appearently he didn't. And if that's the case, why are Yoda and Ben worried about Luke going to save his friends?

Sorry if this has been mentioned already but watching the new trailer I noticed that the emperors dialouge has now been sped up to match the speed of Clives original performance! I love it! :D

TMBTM said:

brash_stryker said:

TheBoost said:

 That's the whole point. The Dark Side twists and corrupts. There is no 'but I did it for such and such a good reason.' The Dark Side is an insidious cancer.

Exactly. Which is why Anakin giving rational reasons for turning to the dark side does not work.

 

 

Well, Yoda always said that fear leads to the dark side. Having fear of something (like loosing someone) is a rational reason that can lead someone to the dark side. The thing is that it cannot be the only reason, indeed. Because sometimes we all do bad things for good reasons without being bad persons in our heart. Anakin is doing bad things for good reasons, but we don't actualy really see when and why he became corrupted by the dark side. The movie needs scenes where Anakin learn more and more dark side powers that makes him feel unvulnerable and makes him loose his mind.

Well, then this whole turning to the darkside thing is Yodas fault (so to speak).

Since when was it FEAR that almost drove Luke to the darkside? It wasn't fear. Fear isn't mentioned by Vader in ESB/ROTJ  nor was it mentioned by Empy in ROTJ. Hate is mentioned...anger...um...i'm wracking my brain here...what else is mentioned?

My point is the whole fear thing is something Lucas made up for the PT. And while I understand where he went with it...'fear' being the main reason for turning to the darkside is NOT what happened to Luke. Hmm...maybe that was done on purpose by Lucas...to show the differences between father and son...now we know why Anakin turned (fear) and why Luke didn't (no fear)....sorry now I'm just rambling! :D

brash_stryker said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

This is good stuff SilverKey! Also I agree with brash_stryker about the "to maintain a peaceful transition" line.

Thanks for the feedback on the vid brash_stryker! :D

Yeah, so talking about that scene with Mace saying "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi"...how do you guys feel about redubbing Mace for the PT? I think it could go a long way...not only for his character but for the plot as well. Thoughts?

Not sure how doable redubbing mace entirely would be, along with what it would actually achieve. The lines would afterall be the same, right?

Who's for removing the scene with Watto saying he sold Shmi, and just having Anakin turn up at the Lars Homestead? (as well as cutting the wooden introductions from Owen and the one from Cliegg) That way it can be assumed that the Jedi/Anakin came back to at least free the poor woman after the events of episode 1.

 Keep his lines the same? oh no no no! Well, some would stay the same  ;)  But that is the beauty of dubbing! I will work on a video to show you what I'm thinking...

I DO like the idea of cutting Watto. The problem is *how* does Anakin know where she is? How could this be explained?

Thinking along those same lines: Why is she not freed by Anakin earlier? Or why don't the Jedi free her?

This is good stuff SilverKey! Also I agree with brash_stryker about the "to maintain a peaceful transition" line.

Thanks for the feedback on the vid brash_stryker! :D

Yeah, so talking about that scene with Mace saying "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi"...how do you guys feel about redubbing Mace for the PT? I think it could go a long way...not only for his character but for the plot as well. Thoughts?

My first double post! Yay!

I've been sitting on this for a while...not sure if I should show it...but I thought it might get some conversation going:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsxwtYG1Dhk

(Give it a minute to finish uploading)

Some thought definanlty needs to be put into Anakin turning to the darkside. I can see why you might get rid of the "to save Padme" reason...and I can see why you would keep it. I think SilverKey and brash_stryker have both made good points.

I think what bugs me about the "to save Padme" reason is that when they meet up on Mustafar he's telling her he's turned to save her but then 2 seconds later he's talking about overthrowing the emperor and ruling the galaxy with her. It seems like in this scene (including the following scene with Obiwan) Lucas was trying to convey Anakin has gone "insane" for the darkside...which would work...but the problem is he's still using his reasoning skills. Does this makes sense the way I'm explaining it?

I think to make this scene with Anakin, Padme, and Obiwan work is to leave out the reasons why Anakin originally turned to the darkside. This would show that the darkside IS taking hold of Anakin...that's why Padme "doesn't know him anymore".

So I guess what I'm suggesting is to use the reasons given in the beginning of the film (distrust of Jedi and "to save Padme") and then by the time Anakin is on Mustafar he has become "drunk" from the power of the darkside so he has forgotten why he did turn in the first place. Make sense? Maybe? ;)

guitarfan01 said:

ben_danger said:

omg, david lynch turned down rotj??? i dont blame him, but it could have been SO much better!!

i have been thinking of an ESB style dream sequences. i love how the original clone wars series showed a dream of anakin and qui gon at the tree, and especially thought that anakins prophetic dream was really well delivered.

in regards to the alternative timing for the jedi purge as suggested by guitarfan, i have two ideas (one more radical than the other)

 

1 (less radical)

we build up mace windus character as a bit of a paranoid ass. he is constantly putting down anakin and palpatine, his suspicions have turned this once great master to a a bit of a loose cannon. during ROTS, he builds up suspicions that palpatine is the dark lord, an idea that is too dreadful or extreme to even be considered by the council.

at the crunch point of the film, mace decides to take matters into his own hands "i sence a plot to destroy the jedi", "if the chancellor does not relinquish his powers then he should be removed from office." mace does this (from a certain point of view) he (possibly alone) confronts the chancellor, declaring his intention to save democracy and the jedi order, palpatine coldly replies "you're too late".

we now cut to a montage of the jedi being slaughtered as windu and palpatine battle. it makes the jedi's battle seem futile and tragic, that even if windu is victorious in slaying palpatine, hehas still failed to stop the massacre. anakin rushes in and saves the chancellor from the obviously delusional jedi.

this idea would fit in well if we try and direct it more from anakins point of view. mace obviously isnt a paranoid ass, but if we force the viewer to only see 60% of the real story, then he may appear to be, so we are betrayed into thinking the obvious bad guy is the good guy.

2 (more radical)

obi wan defeats grevious, ending the clone war. a message is sent to the jedi to return to coruscant to celebrate the event. the streets of the capital are flooded with people chanting palpatines name. anakin looks happy with padme, and it feels like the film is going to end with this wonderful feeling of victory (like the end of TPM, but bigger and less gay).

anakin goes to visit palpatine, who is surrounded by senators, who are waiting for him to go the senate hall for the resigning ceremony. the senators leave. at this point palpatine reveals to anakin that he is the sith lord.

the film continues as usual or alternatively the 'less radical' paranoid mace windu can be intertwined with this.

enstead of the jedi being killed in the field of battle, they are enstead massacred in the temple, hundreds of thousands of troops charge, overwhelming them completley. yoda and obi wan are the only two who escape, who then follow through to their respective battles. anakin believes palpatine's lies etc.

i would like to see this idea, as it would be a complete emotional flip. as we near 2/3 into the film, we think we are about to get to a happy ending, for everything to go horribly wrong in the final act. it would be great for the celebration to be in daylight to contrast the burning jedi temple in the evening.

 

 

let me know if you even read all of this.;) idea 2 needs a bit more work.

 

has anyone ever wanted to see an edit of ROTS where there is a happy ending? my GF hates watching it because it upsets her too much.:P

 

WOW WOW WOW!  That is head and shoulders above what I was working on!  I love those ideas, especially Mace Windu being a paranoid, and intercutting the Mace/Palpatine duel with the Great Jedi Purge.  I also love the idea of a false "happy ending" just before the rug is pulled out from under the first time viewer.  The trick would be to build up Grievous into the major villian of the movie so that the viewer would believe that killing him would end the film, and to push the whole "sith lord" thing into the back of the viewers' minds.  Perhaps a complete lack of Sidious in the entire PT except for a holographic conversation with Nute Gunray in the first movie?  What appears to be a throwaway character turns out to be the orchestrator of everything?  I'm not sure.

I myself was basing my ideas more on what others (esp JasonN and GoodMusician) have done in their edits.  As I said before, I always thought that Anakin's sudden wild swing into the depths of the Dark Side was rather unbelievable.

OK, how is this for a radical idea: instead of killing off Dooku at the beginning thus having to have general grievous be the new leader of the droid army...why not switch it all up? At the beginning of the movie have grievous be some other villian for some other purpose (maybe he information...maybe he knows where Palpatine/Dooku is...?), Obiwan kills him, Obi and Anakin meet up, space battle, find Palps, kill Dooku, END WAR. From AOTC we already associate Dooku with being in control of the droid army. Remember what Obi said to Anakin in AOTC: "If we catch him we could end this war right now!". With this structure, it's easier for the audience to follow...Why did Lucas add grievous to ROTS?

I by no means haven't figured out the specifics so I don't know if it will work...but that makes more sense IMHO.

Monroville said:

Bingowings said:

fishmanlee said:

could he use the force and manipulate it to go like boomerang like in super star wars return of the jedi?

One of the problems with TPM is it's action sequences already resemble a computer game.

The duel particularly so with all those pointless platforms and shield gates, it's a real shame that there was no dialogue in there either, surely the Jedi would want to know more about this mysterious attacker.

If Maul used the Force to throw his sabre around what's stopping the Jedi from using the Force to snatch it off him?

There are two of them and one of him.

 

That could be played upon - in fact, if the Jedi are supposed to fight "fair", maybe Qui-Jon tells Obi "No!  I will deal with him myself!" and it is a Jedi rule that you never play unfairly (duels have to be one-on-one and/or Jedi are taught to handle things as individuals).  Maul during the fight (with or without hand gestures) has metal parts fly into Qui-Jon and uses his dark side force powers to "boomerang" his double blade at Qui-Jon ala the Rock Man in NINJA SCROLL.

During this, Obi watches impatiently and at the first sign of Maul "cheating" he rushes in to help Qui-Jon, essentially breaking Jedi standards to do the obvious: help his master.

Hell, how hard would it be to make Qui-Jon's hair white or silver to reflect that he is much older and thus capable of being taken down?

 

Welll this would fit well with what happens in AOTC "no i'm taking him now!" "no anakin! no!" It's Obiwan talking from experience this way. But then how do you explain the Dooku fight in ROTS? Hmmm

ben_danger said:

yay! thanks for reading the mini essay SSWR!;) snape really hits the nail on the head. ultimatley now we understand and pity him the most. i agree the second one is a little ambitious. the essense though is to make us feel like the happy ending we might intially expect is merely seconds away, only for a tragic avalanche to hit straight afterwards, which could perhaps be gained through other means. i can imagine that maybe everyone seems relieved that the war is over, but mace is still pursuing his sith theories.

it may give "if what you have told me is true, then you have gained my trust" some added significance.

 Cool yeah I know what you're aiming for as far as the feeling and attitude of the movie goes...and I hope it's doable...

More thoughts on Windu: There are too many times to count in the PT when Yoda and Windu exchage glances...now with this new take on Windu these glances *could* take on new meaning. Maybe Yoda is giving Mace a chance to prove himself with these theories...? Hmmm...I will soon need to elaborate on an idea I have had for a new scene in TPM that could help with these ideas and better establish the Jedi/jedi order...  ;)

vaderios said:

That shot have no sense at ALL...

Just completetely ignore the holo. I messed up the saves and i hadnt the undo i was needed.

 

Considering ady's way of thinking i could propose a vader from 501st legion to move like the movie so the bridge isnt full in the middle of nowhere.

 

-Angel

I love this Angel! This MUST be done! or of course this location would work too...if possible:

Move the scene to this location :