SomethingStarWarsRelated

RoccondilRinon said:

I've already explained, not very many pages back, how this can't work without performing a similarly radical edit on ANH.

I'm sorry but I'm not totally convinced of that yet.

If an edit *can* seperate the Anakin character from the Vader character (which, by the way, will be no small feat) then when you come to ANH and Obi says "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the emperor hunt down and destroyed the Jedi knights...he betrayed and murdered your father." it simply sounds like Obi-wan is lying to Luke about his father. Luke doesn't know anything about the force, Jedi, Sith or Darth Vader so Obi-wan can get away with this "lie". And then once we get to ESB and ROTJ we learned that Obi-wan was telling Luke this from a certain point of view to protect Luke and to help him learn and grow up as well. At least that's how I see it.

The only thing that bothers me is why would Obi-wan say that Darth Vader was once a pupil of his? Unless....this could be addressed in the PT...? :D

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

Oh yes!

Let us know Big Shot! :)

-Angel

 

Ha! :D

Well, it'll still be a while til I get to that...I'm still working on the arena scene from AOTC...

SilverKey said:

How about we minimize seeing Palpatine with his lightsaber, but shifting the focus of that scene to Anakin? The scenes in Palpatine's office are a big turning point in his life, so why not stretch it out a little, and center it around him?

I'm just brainstorming aloud here, most of it probably wouldn't even be doable:

• Anakin mulls over Palpatine's words in the council chamber.
• Windu arrive at Palpatine's office. They exchange their dialogue. Palpatine activates his lightsaber. The music builds.
• Then cut to Anakin taking off from the Jedi Temple platform.
• Cut back to Palpatine's ante chamber. The bodies of Kolar, Fisto and Tiin are on the ground. In the distance we hear the sounds of the fight going on between Palpatine and Windu. Maybe we could add some screams, stuff breaking and other sound effects, to give the impression that there is really something big and epic is going on in that room.
• Cut back to Anakin arriving at the Senate building. It would be nice if in this scene, and in the other scenes with Anakin, we can cut in some close ups of him, to show that this scene is really about him.
• When Anakin arrives at the office, he hears the sounds of the battle going on (making him pause and adding in another close up might add to tension here, even Anakin is wondering what the hell is going on in there.
• Anakin enters the office, and we finally see the final stages of the fight. Maybe we can even add the suggestion here that Anakin never saw Palpatine with his saber at all, which could prove Palpatine's prediction that the Jedi are planning to betray him to Anakin.
• The rest of the scene plays as it normally does, and it would be great if we can add in Davnes' awesome idea of having Anakin and Mace's sabers clash in front of Palpatine's face.
• The music underneath this scene could be just the Emperor's Theme, adding to the mystery of the scene.

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

ben, I will respond to these radical (and very good) ideas soon...gotta work right now! :D

ben_danger said:

hey SSWR, commented a bit more on youtube, but awesome clip and ideas!

 

im wondering if it would be possible to push the snape/windu thing further so we may even believe HE is the dark lord? like the snape/quirrel thing in Harry Potter I perhaps?

 Woah!...hmm...could work...I'll have to give that some thought...

I also replied to your reply...

I'm not sure I dare post this VERY incomplete video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUu5GgEepU&feature=channel_page

As you can see, *lots* still need to be done to this video...but I've put it aside for now...I needed to free up some space on my hard drive...

Basic changes/ideas:

-Make Anakin a guy we can like and get behind

-Make Windu the only Jedi untrusting of Anakin

-*trying* to make dialouge slightly more natural

I know there is ALOT that I cut...for example: the Padme packing scene. I could not make that scene work at all! But I was able to use some of Anakins dialouge from that scene in the Palps office scene.

JasonN said:

So yeah, I'm still working on this one - I'll try to finish it, but it's getting a bit hard, because I'm kinda losing my interest: basically, for as much as I try to edit and cut Return of the Jedi, I still just really don't care for the story or characters very much (which makes things difficult when you're trying to re-edit the film).

I guess for myself, I've always felt that the "Star Wars" story ends best with the final shots of The Empire Strikes Back, with Luke, Leia, the droids, and Rebel Alliance drifting out into the stars.

 

You know, I'm always suprise that for as much criticism, anger, and utter hate that TPM recieved from audiences, those same people will give RotJ a free pass just because it's part of the "Original Trilogy" even though it's as equally flawed as TPM. (actually, I think it has even more flaws.... I mean, I am extremely satisfied with and do enjoy watching my Attack of the Federation edit, but I'm having a rather hard time trying to watch Last of the Jedi and care much for it)

 I think this is also why I haven't been on top of editing and showing more of my fan-o-matic clips...specifically when I got to the ewok village...I've cut and rearranged quite a bit of it but it's just not...star wars-y...ya know? I mean, I like ROTJ for what it is...but it lacks ALOT.

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 I'm still not ruling out that Adywan might restructure ROTJ:R...he simply stated that there won't be 'story changes'. Restructuring scenes doesn't have to mean changes to the story. In ANH:R Adywan restructured the Obi wans Hut scene...that didn't change the story.    ...I'm just saying...   :D

Where have you been? We need you Right now!

I want to see your videos/mockups in action!

Make it happened :)

 

-Angel

 

 Hey I just gave you Human Cyborg Relations!  ;)

You mean something from ROTJ? Yeah, I gotta get on that!

adywan said:

Ok i have to put an end to this. I though all this would have died out ages ago.

Your so gullible. lol. Killing Lando was never going to be part of my edit, but was being considered as a special feature only. Only the PT will be getting ripped apart. There will be some changes in jedi but none will be drastic in a way that will change the story. Yes there will be a new ending but that's being kept a secret. The Lando thing came about because so many people kept asking about the ending so i made one up.

Don't hate me :)

 I'm still not ruling out that Adywan might restructure ROTJ:R...he simply stated that there won't be 'story changes'. Restructuring scenes doesn't have to mean changes to the story. In ANH:R Adywan restructured the Obi wans Hut scene...that didn't change the story.    ...I'm just saying...   :D

skyjedi2005 said:

Are yoiu by any chance using the deleted scene in the arena in attack of the clones not on the dvd?

Very low quality.  No foley work, almost like an animatic.  Sam Jacksons on set dialogue trying to sound exerted by the combat and such was a bit much imho.  But they probably would have done adr if they used the scene.

I'm surprised there are not more home brew attempts at using the deleted scenes and finishing the audio, music and making added cgi.

 Well, that deleted arena scene from hyperspace/starwars.com is (i'm pretty sure) not usable. There was never a high quality version released...?

ben_danger said:

i think ive mentioned this before, but id love to see someone construct a musicless TPM lightsaber battle, like in ESB, where the music is created by the hum of the sabers. perhaps some score could bleed through eventually, but nothing with vocals (duel of the fates was awesome, but the vocals wernt star warsy for me)

 This would be VERY interesting! I'm working on various things...but if noone gets to it soon I might try attempting a rough version sometime...

BTW, ben, I'm still slowly working on the arena battle in AOTC...you?

Thanks! :D

A serious look at the parrallels between C-3PO and Anakin/Vader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTD2fyybTUg&feature=channel_page

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 Looks like a job for Angel! :D

Also I think that by the end of this scene the sun should be coming up in the background...or simply getting brighter...

Im here! Where is the problem Citizen?

When is the sun shot you referring?

I have to go  now! The people of earth needs me!

 

-Superangel

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL

Look at the scene where Luke turns himself over to Vader on that brigde thingy. You can't see much out the window except for a couple of tree and the ATATs head which seems to be turned at an odd angle...

Also I was just thinking it would look cool if by the end of this scene the sun was coming up in the background since the next scene the sun has *just* come up...

Monroville said:

Um, shouldn't that AT-AT head be pointing AWAY from us, being that Luke is coming out of the AT-AT's body?  For some reason, it makes me think the AT-AT is alive and its straining its head so it can see what's going on behind it...

 Looks like a job for Angel! :D

Also I think that by the end of this scene the sun should be coming up in the background...or simply getting brighter...

vaderios said:

I just found some interesting artwork from Ryan Church ( Concept artist for Eps 2 and 3)

I ve noticed something interesting. His first concepts of some spots or locations had that Star wars feeling. Not very busy minimalistic and with a retro palette.

Its good start to brainstorm, how similar or unused designs, can bring PT to OT feel. When the planets have that unknown mood and locations were simple, memorable and powerful!

Some examples that cause my attetion.

 

Utapau's landed battleship. ( note the sun, the pale colors and the shadows and no fancy lights)

The 10th level of utapau (note the minimalism the pale colors the retro background details and the mood)

The bridge of Invisible hand( Same design with the above different approach. Note duo tone, sub lighted no much controls and panels.)

Mustafar Separatists room( note the one color theme, the claustrophobic feeling without the window/revealing all way, scale)

Big Credit to Ryan Church and his Superb work!

 

-Angel

 

This is great stuff...this DOES have the OT feeling (not as much in the last pic)...

Angel, you should tackle some pics from the PT and see if you can simpilfy some of the crazy backgrounds, etc...just like the above pics!

Bingowings said:

It might be possible to digitally remove the offending elements (either puppet or CGI) Angel has managed it on some mockups and I manage to do it on a few too (it's no easy task).

If that fails building models and set segments are possibly the only other way.

Clearing the slate is one thing but then you have to decide on what to replace the elements with, my preference is more dancers like Oola and possibly a few more courtiers.

 It will definantly be interesting to see what Adywan does with this scene. I can't imagine that he likes it the way it is.

Yes, you might be able to remove some objects from the film...but what do you add and how?

It's been a while but I think the original Sy Snoodles with new facial/body movments could work better than the CGI Sy that we have now.

I *think* I like the idea of the burlesque show thing...it definantly depends on how it's handled...

Docta Nick said:

vaderios said:

Bingowings said:

At last Geonosis looks less like Tatooine it's more like a dust planet than a sandy desert world.

Almost like it's a giant ball of pumice or like our moon but with an atmosphere.

I always imagined Clone wars as a dark age. So the battle can be more dark and metaphor like.

Shadows always behind the bad guys, light behind good guys.

 

-Angel

 

 I always thought that shot had such potential to be a iconic sort of shot, well of course Angel knows just how that can be done, especially to this whole movie lol. GJ

 I love this shot...my favorite shot from Geonosis yet, Angel!

On the subject of CGI:

There are many problems with todays CGI...I could sit down with a movie and talk at length about what's wrong...sometimes it's the animation, sometimes the actual render, sometimes the lighting, sometimes the composite, sometimes the camera movement-...I look at this shot Angel did and even though I like it...when it's in motion...it sometimes losses something. Todays CGI camera moves are sometimes ridiculous! They have the camera zooming around...panning around 360 degrees...moving in ways cameras CAN'T move and they expect us to believe they filmed it? Acutally, that's not the case anymore...they DON'T expect us to believe they filmed it...they just want us to suspend our disbelieve long enough to buy the shot...well, I can say I'm a little tired of it! OK, I'm done...for now...  ;)

tehwallaby said:

Not as of yet, I'm going to be doing all of the PT, trying to make them feel more OT, and more Star Wars. I need to find a good base, maybe even one with some colour correction and/or minor edits.

 Again, sadly, I don't know much about these things...however you might want to look at some edit ideas from my youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/SSWR1

tehwallaby said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 Wow this sounds sweet! I've been think about ROTS along the same lines...

but the Windu/Fett fight in ROTS? I had never thought of that...could work really well...

What software will you be using for editing and effects?

 

At this stage probably Adobe After Effects and Vegas. With a bit of help from Photoshop for certain parts. I'm yet to decide what to use as a base, at this stage probably 720p versions. I don't know what to use to create a new sound mix, any suggestions?

Cool...Sadly, I don't know enough about sound mixing software...or sound mixing! :D

Have you started your own thread yet?

Loving these Angel! I've been waiting for more PT space shots to be redone by you! ;)

tehwallaby said:

Great DuTwan, I'll be glad to see how this turns out.

 

Furthermore, I've been thinking about Boba and Jango, and have considered making them comrades, and having both appear in my AOTC edit. Mace Windu will still behead Jango, but Boba will be incapacitated until after the Battle of Geonosis, at which point he will align himself with Tyranus, and in turn Palpatine. Then, he will be present in the Great Jedi Purge, and he will be the one to kill Mace Windu, with the Palpatine and Anakin scene taking place with Aayla Secura instead.

I also plan to change ROTS radically. I want to make all the scenes that follow pre-Vader Anakin occur before the last half an hour, after the Battle of Heroes we will see scenes with Vader executing Jedi, and eventually destroying the Jedi Temple. All this will take place without so much as a word about Anakin actually being Vader.

 Wow this sounds sweet! I've been think about ROTS along the same lines...

but the Windu/Fett fight in ROTS? I had never thought of that...could work really well...

What software will you be using for editing and effects?

Ripplin said:

I've never seen the New Groove movie (or have I?) so I didn't really "get" it, but it was funny nonetheless. :)

 You've gotta see the movie...one of the funniest Disney movies ever!

Thanks for the feedback guys!

...I don't normally do this but you guys get 2 videos in 1 day! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukUC_z6l74o

I've been thinking more and more about Anakins turn to the darkside and well...I think it should be more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxAi4qC8HI0

mrbenja0618 said:

Knightmessenger said:

Well, I recently came across this and thought it was an interesting edit. I wonder if Trooperman's is similar because this looks a lot better than I remember the original scene from AotC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4

Could somebody explain what was changed (besides the music)?

 

Yeah, this was pretty impressive... SSWR, if you're reading this; how did you swap out the music tracks successfully while maintaining voice, and sound effects?

 

He cut 3p0 and R2 out.... HUGE difference.

 Thanks! I like it too  ;)

As far as the vocals go...I think everything I used in that scene didn't actually *have* music underneath. Or if any of it did it wasn't very prominant so it just blended into the music I added.